Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

April 27, 2009 -

An online game released more than a year ago is suddenly causing a stir in religious circles.

Faith Fighter, launched in January of 2008 by the always-provacative Molleindustria, allows players to pit various deities against one another in Mortal Kombat-style action. The virtual combatants in the game include a depiction of Allah, a serious no-no in the Muslim faith.

Metro.co.uk reports that some Christians, Hindus and Buddhists are upset as well. Douglas Miller, pastor of Birmingham's Link Church, told Metro:

This game is going out of its way to upset people and I think it should be taken off the internet. Playing violent video games will ultimately affect your behaviour and this game is deeply offensive and provocative.

An unnamed representative of the Federation of Muslim Organisations added:

In the current climate, this game can only create fear about religion. Having images depicting Muhammad in this way is also very offensive to our faith.

However, a spokesperson for Molleindustria defended the work:

[The purpose of the game is] to push gamers to reflect on how sacred representations are often used to fuel or justify conflicts between people.


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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

"Having images depicting Muhammad in this way is also very offensive to our faith."

That's strange, I don't remember ever agreeing that OTHER PEOPLE's religions get to tell ME what to do.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

So what makes this game acceptable to the gaming community while Six Days in Fallujah is not? Why is a game that is built to be offensive more acceptable than a game that is built to be informative with the potential to offend?

Seriously.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

How are you defining the "gaming community"? This forum? Most of this forum were crying censorship (or posting Face Palm) over the 6 days threads. That is the "gaming community" was also pro-6 days.

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Not just GP. But every gaming blog (Kotaku, Joystiq, Edge-online, Gamasutra etc) I have read about the Six Days game. There are more people crying 'too soon' and such over Six Days than there are crying over games like this one.

That is how I am defining 'gaming community'

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

 Ok, though seriously... not sure how i should explain it

i think it comes down a lot to interpretation and connection to the events... i mean you might even take a look at 9-11; while it is a tragic event, a lot of Americans treat it like the worst thing that has ever happen, but compared to many other world events its does stand up to comparison... Americans just have more connection to the event and thus treat it in a higher regard

Between Six days and faith fighter their are numerous things to consider... one is the connection to the event... their are some people here who are not as religious as others and as such might feel less of a connection to faith fighter... just as well their are some people who feel very strongly about the iraq war and as such they care more about a game like six days. 

One is based off a real world event and as such many think it should be respected, and many think that from the general line up of FPS games, an FPS game of six days would not do such respect. Faith fighter does not fall into this catagory... Their are jokes about religion all over the place and they are seen as harmless and many have long ago came to accept that it is ok to poke fun at religion. This in turn helps give faith fighter the free pass as the game appears to be nothing more than just another joke; if you are taking the game seriously then you need to loosen up a bit. 

With religious nuts who complain about Faith fighter our first thought is, "geez loosen up, it's just a game, its 100% fiction"... on the other hand, with veterans who complain about it you can try to say the same thing, but the veterans may have serious emotional issues and trama coming from that event, and that is not easy for them to get over... So we end up being more sensitive to the veterans because they are real reasons, issue and concerns, where as the religious nuts seem like their are just wound up a bit to tight.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Point taken.  I just hope me and my Catholicism don't interfere with your statistics. ^^;

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Well, one is based on a fairly accurate depiction of real world events, but the other is about the war in iraq which which many rather not relive! XD

Man, how could the history books always miss the part where Xenu gets his ass kicked

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

 I am fine with both games; mostly because if a game pisses me off I just don't play it ... seems to work for me so far.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

I'm with you man... turn the channel, close the browser, do anything except BAN whatever the issue is. Freedom of choice... it's what you want.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

*stands beside them, as he shares their views*

  A real man would do the same thing.

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Selfishness? The smaller the group involved is, the bigger the impact it is for that group?

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Is Six Days unacceptable to the gaming community? I never got that impression. I thought it was mostly veterans that were complaining about Six Days. Besides, I'm betting the gaming community is way less religious on average than most people. To most of us, this is just stupid people getting upset over a joke.

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

It seems that more people complained about the existance of Six Days in the discussions on various sites, than complain about the esistance of games like this.

WHile I don't thiknk the majority of gamers were complaining, it was a vastly larger number than complain about the existance of this game and others like it.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

I think the flaw in your reasoning is assuming that the gaming "community" is any more homogenous than the black "community" or the Muslim "Community".

It's just another form of stereotyping that wants to classify all gamers as slackers and underachievers who sit on the couch all day.

Yes there was a lot of outcry about a game predicated on the suffering of soldiers in wartime.  This is something real that people can get behind despite many of their differences.

This little fighting game is using characters that are either imaginary, metaphorical, delusional or long dead depending on your perspective.  Many people are able to give rise to the kind of anger necessary to throw a hissy fit when you mock their idols and graven images but far fewer than get angry when you try to make a "game" out of the suffering of their sons, daughters and neighbors.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

It's a flash game, something that you waste five minutes on and then promptly forget.  That's why it's more "acceptable" than the console game.  "Six Days..." would have lasted much longer, been a physical presence (i.e. a disc) in the consumer's home, and would have been more interactive.  Also, war is an easier topic for people to agree on; most people don't want to die, but we don't always agree on what we're dying for/where we go when we die.

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

You might be right. I re-read the Six Days, articles, and there are some people complaining. Although the complaints seem to be more well reasoned than what these religious people are saying, which basically amounts to "Quit making fun of us!"

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Dear Muslim Whack Job 

Fuck off; First Amendment; you know that same thing that allows you to be a Muslim.  Though I would like to thank you for stating the image is offensive to your religion (its not to mine) but at least you didn't order a jihad on the makers and demand his head (see The Satanic Verses; Dutch Cartoons; etc if you are confused)

 

Dear Christian Whack Job

Fuck off; First Amendment; and frankly there is no proof that games make you violent where as there is a lot of PROOF that Religion makes you violent, so I would suggest to you to not throw stones when you live in a glass house.

 

Dear Jewish Whack Job

Haven't heard from you in a while getting concerned.

 

Dear Hindu Whack Job

See post on the Indian Game Developers if you are curious how I feel about you.

 

Dear Anyone I missed Whack Job

We have this small thing called Freedom of Speech just because it offends you does not mean it offends me in fact it might actually make me do this horrible thing called think.  I am thankful we have such a Right because you can say something really stupid like take it off the internet and frankly I can laugh at you.  It's great.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Even if our Constitution were applicable here, the First Amendment only prohibits government actors in the US from censoring this game or limiting access to it.

And you forgot the Buddhist

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

 Opps you would think I would have remember them; they have some great whacks.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Dear Jewish Whack Job Haven't heard from you in a while getting concerned.

This good enough?

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

 LOL, Thank you; I was wondering where my Jewish Whack Jobs were.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Lets not forget about the ones talking about every bible prophecy and trying to get you to convert.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

They missed a golden opportunity to start calling it manbearpig flu.  I mean seriously, since when are they not even allowed to SAY pig.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Actually the company that made the game is Italian and they don't have a First Amendment as far as  Ican tell.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

But the game is also on newgrounds which is owned by Americans.

Although when you submit a game to newgrounds it says in their legal jargon that you still own the game so it might be possible for the courts to force him to remove it. Although I doubt that there will be any court intervention seeing as how not too many people are whining.

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

 Oooo sucks to be them; I think the British are in that boat too as is Australia and most of the other ones.

I was thinking from the point of view that the first time I saw it was hosted on adultswims.com; I made the assumption they paid for it I know I know assume you make an ...

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

 opps got a neuron crossed, adult swim was called bible fight I think I played this game through newsground.com.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

But...if we can't pit religious figures against each other in the field of virtual combat, how else are we going to figure out which one's right?

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Posting something on internet is like pissing is an ocean. Once it's there, it's there forever.

Remember, The Internet never forgets

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

wasn't there an adult swim game like this? but with more blood?

 

It is not murder; I am merely advancing the hands of the clock, just a bit.

It is not murder; I am merely advancing the hands of the clock, just a bit.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Yup. It's called Bible Fight. Here's a link:

http://www.adultswim.com/games/game/index.html?game=biblefight

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Not exactly like it. Bible Fight is all Judeo-Christian characters.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Everybody stop everything. Religious people are upset about something.

I love the quote by the Muslim spokesman. Really, you think it's the game that is going to create fear about religions? You don't think it'll be, I don't know, the bombings and shit?

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

This game is pretty fun. Good thing people got offended by it so it was put in a news story, otherwise I might not have found it.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

' and I think it should be taken off the internet'

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

Dear mr..... internets.

Please would you take down the offensive game from your webzoid.

It should only take a second. just place it in the 'delete from interwebz'

tube.

 

Many thanks.

 

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Thanks to this controvesy I've actually seen this game for the first time and I thoroughly enjoy it. THANK YOU BIBLE BASHERS UNITED FOR SHOWING ME SOMETHING YOU HATE <3

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Lol: "This game is going out of its way to upset people and I think it should be taken off the internet."

Right let me just find the 'Remove from the Internet' button. I think it's next to the history eraser button.

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

[The purpose of the game is] to push gamers to reflect on how sacred representations are often used to fuel or justify conflicts between people.

Bullcrap.  The purpose of the game is to draw attention to Molleindustria through cheap controversy.  If you're going to piss people off, at least be honest about it.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

i thought the purpose of the game was that immortal gods engaging in godzilla style combat and smashing everyone in the wake of their battle is just plain awesome.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Yeah, same here. They really didn't market it as anything controversial.

Actually, is this the same game that was on adultswim?

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

If this wasn't meant to be controversial, then how could they possibly change the game to be controversial?  Answer: the game was intended to cause controversy, and it took a year for it to happen.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Actually no it was suppose to be a parody o f the Muhameed Cartoons in 2005.

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

 The problem is that you would have a hard time actually proving "intent"...

just because they made something controversial does not mean they actually WANTED that kind of attention. Hell, do you also think that Resident Evil INTENDED on being controversial, or do you think they just wanted to make a resident evil set in africa? And hell, i don't think atomic games actually INTENDED to cause controversy with their six days games... even if you do not intend to cause controversy may do so anyway as their are many people who end up going out of their way to look for the stuff...

Considering how Faith fighter was never really marketed and could only be seen on flash sites, they could have easily come to think that. as a non-mainstream game, the game would fly under the radar and never be noticed by the religious nuts... hell the fact that it took 15 months for the religious nuts to actually notice and say something about it is proof of that...

If they wanted the controversy and intended to cause such a thing, they would have advertised the game better and made SURE that the religious knew about the game so that they could react to it.... instead they stayed within their own circle of online gamers where religious nuts never tread

 

 

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

You can tell simply from the religious figures' depictions that the company was going for controversy.  Look at the special moves lists, look at how the characters are drawn and animated.  There's intent, no doubt about it.

As for the marketing, just TRY getting a random Flash fighting game noticed in the sea of Newgrounds fare.  There's stuff out there that's far more offensive than this that will never get noticed.  That's the risk a group takes when it tries to be controversial, it might not ever gain noteriety.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

 Since when does caricature = controversy... caricatures are used A LOT in media, and the aim is generally to add something of a light hearted feel to it, and not as a method to mock or insult... it could be used as an insult, but lots of caricatures are just used for nothing more than for the sake of style... when an artist uses a caricature is usually as a way to "laugh with you" and not "laugh at you"...

And really, it would be EASY to get yourself noticed and start a controversy if that's what you are intent on... you just need to send an anonymous e-mail with a link to your game to your favorite out spoken religious nut case, and let them spark up the controversy... why wait for the nuts to notice your stuff in places they are not looking when you can just shove in their faces and get the ball rolling.

And hell, this was actually a noticeable flash game... as they mention on their site, the game did get a fair bit of non-controversial coverage.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Actually, David, I think that's the point.  You seem to be the minority opinion here, seeing as how you're the only one pushing for the cheap motive for making this game.

Does it really matter why it was made?  It's out there now, let's deal with it.  It'll be gone within a few days, anyway.

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

"change the game to be..."

When did they change the game to make it controversial? I fail to see your point here. I've made drawings of Moses beating zombies with the Ten Commandments, but I meant no controversy by it. I simply thought that it was bad ass to see Moses killing zombies, as awesome as it would be for Jesus to kick the shit outta Satin and Muhamad and Moses and everyone else.

Some people need to stop seeing controversy everytime there is a religious or real-life topic being touched on, especially if it's in a silly flash game. Ignoring the fact that the game is over a year old...

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Read the post again.  I was posting a hypothetical: IF the game was not intended to be controversial, THEN in what way could it be changed to make it controversial?  The fact is, the designers put together this flash game with the intent to cause controversy.  Look at the characters, they're all cartoonish caricatures of revered religious figures.  Can you honestly look at even the screenshot and tell me the game wasn't designed to upset people who have a strong religious faith?

I stand by my original assessment: this was just a cheap publicity stunt.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Nope. The [adult swim] game was called Bible Fight. I already posted a link in my response to cpt crunchie below. Enjoy.

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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Why can't it just be both?

 
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