Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment Center

May 3, 2009 -

This video shows anti-war protesters yesterday as they marched with police escort to the Franklin Mills Mall in Philadelphia where they delivered a symbolic "criminal complaint" to U.S. Army recruiters and the mall's management company.

The demonstrators were protesting the Army's use of a high-tech, video game-equipped recruitment center located in the mall.

There was a significant police presence as the protesters arrived. They were permitted to enter the mall and stage their rally at the entrance to the Army Experience Center.

As the rally ended, seven protesters, mostly in white masks, were arrested, presumably for refusing to disperse. The arrests were peaceful and appeared to be scripted by the protesters as a symbolic gesture.

UPDATE: A press release on yesterday's protest has been issued by its organizers.

UPDATE 2: The local Fox outlet has a video report.


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I don't believe that their protests had anything to do with hip hop music or a hip hop game. Anyway, I think that these protestors are raising commotion for little purpose. I don't see any issue with using video games in general for recruiting. If anything, the Army is utilizing technology the way educational institutions should, and I applaud them for it.

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 Just another sad expression by those who hate this country. Anyone with half a brain would know that the game is a simulation that gives a more realistic idea of what being in the Army is like. Furthermore, is it any worse than the Call of Duty games or Halo series or similar games? At least its better than the wanton violence of many games that promote not only violence but criminal activity, drugs, etc.

  These are people who simply need to get a life. If the Army can't recruit men to fill the ranks then who is going to defend them?? They certainly aren't going to do it! 

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First of all I'm not American. I've played Americas Army since release.
Regarding the use of games a propaganda/recruitment tool.
I think there is still a lack of understanding of games as a medium. This game is nothing less than a modern tool of advertisement. Just like any advertisement in any medium. Taking that into count they were
careful to try and show the different aspects and the true nature behind joining the army. And that is... "Don't be naive. This is a dangerous job and you might be killed. And also you'll be asked to kill."
Each player is reminded of that fact in each match. If this is target towards teens, then guess what, that is the age when people decide their path. Go to law school, go to police academy, go to army school.
When you reach 18 you need to make a decision. Now taking this into count they try to show a glimpse of the different paths. Some of the basic core principles and so on. In fact they have a very effective system in place that tries to limit
kiddie behavior. You know, stuff like being a rambo, killing team mates and all that. That leads you straight to prison. The point is, they try to pass the message. "this is serious business...if you can't handle, don't come"
Fact is in the end of the day, this ends up being a much more serious much more down to earth way of advertisement.
Yes it is propaganda, but it is just as big of a propaganda as a TV advertisement.
This won't make you want to join the army if you weren't thinking about that in the first place, that is for sure.

As a foreigner this ended up being a great way of knowing more about the US army and its phylosophies. They have a lot of information available for those interestead of knowing more about them. The professions and all that.
It is also ironice but in truth it allowed people from different nations to come together and share military based experiences. Yes that is true. I even had very heated political discussions on the Americas Army forums.
And you know what? It was great.

To tell you the truth, I'd rather they use this type of recruitment that is a much more informed one, than the typical adds that try to portray the military as an invencible force.
 

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I think it's much ado about nothing.

They're games, and a propaganda piece at that. If anyone is dumb enough to enlist based off their experience playing a computer game without doing any real research, they get what they deserve. They will have sufficiently proven they have what it takes to do grunt work.

"Oh noes! But the childrens!" Last time I checked you had to be 18 to enlist, old enough to have had the opportunity to read and learn what they're getting themselves into.

Not to meantion, recruitment has dropped off considerably. So I can't blame the armed forces for trying a new way to hook potential recruits. These (morons) have every right to protest, but their reasoning is at best, flawed.

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" mostly in white masks, were arrested, presumably for refusing to disperse"

 

You sure the fact that they were concealing their face with masks had absolutly nothing to do with it?

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Cigarette companies couldn't sell to minors in the 60s, but there are damn sure plenty of cartoon characters blatantly advertising cigarettes. (Flintstones for example). Check youtube.

Alcohol companies use overly colorful beverages labeled as energy drinks to appeal to the next generation of drinkers.

Ignoring the video game issues entirely, army commercials FLOOD late night cartoon network and adult swim. The demographic of adult swim is ages 14-25.

The army is targeting young kids. The army is not a strong career. Army towns have exceedingly high rates of crime. Army personel get low pay, bad benefits, and are screwed over in their old age.

Our army (military, I can't be bothered to just used armed forces) is a neccasary part of society, just like our sewage treatment plant workers. Does that sound like an insult to them? It isn't. Neccessity does not mean glory. The armed forces is hard, unappreciated, dirty, painful, and potentially deadly work.

They're representing themselves in air conditioned comfortable environments as easy, clean, 'get up and walk away' type jobs. This isn't a desk job. People WILL shoot at our armed forces.

Parents have no way to control their children's school curriculem and activities (Army targets here), they are fighting a losing battle to control their television, and hell if they can control internet access and gaming. Parents do not often want their children in the army, for the simple fact that there is an unusually high incidence of returning as a mutilated corpse when compared to other career tracks.

The army should make its presence as a job known, and sit down and shut up, or represent itself as what it is. A dangerous, usually unrewarding, and under appreciated job that you DON'T respawn in, you DON'T get up and pee in the middle of a firefight, and you sure as hell don't order pizza and eat while you shoot.

 

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Fun. 

Flinstones: What was aired, was a commercial before they were barred from advertisement on TV and radio, aired in between the show. It lasted for its first two seasons, from 1960 to 1962. Oh, and that ban on cigarette commercials on TV and radio? 1970, signed by Nixon. Oh, and the Flintstones? It was originally targetting an adult audience.

Alcohol: What the fuck are you even talking about. Prove it to me. SHOW ME just what products you are talking about. Because that sounds like a load of shit. Give me actual names of these products. Because I will be looking them up.

I watch Adult Swim every night. While there may be a few Army commercials here an there, I would -hardly- call it "flooding." Also, 14 to 25? Okay, let's claim that is their actual target. 14-17 is a legal "minor" but 18-25 is legally an adult. Let's compare. 14-25 spans an 11 years age cap. Four of that eleven are minors, and adults? Seven. Furthermore, most of those shows are rated M. It is quite apparent, that the major target they are going for is, in fact, adults.

And that's all I'm saying; I'll let every one else get onto the second half of your case.

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I watch Adult Swim every night. While there may be a few Army commercials here an there, I would -hardly- call it "flooding." Nekowolf


Read any videogame magazines that are left around these days? Watch G4? Do you really watch Adult Swim every single night all the way till the early mornings (5:00 am)? And Nekowolf, if it isn't a bother, can you please call it 'demographic', rather than target? I know they sound similar, but both they mean compelety different things in certain areas.


When I would try to watch G4's 'on demand' titles, I would always get a commercial for the Marines every single time. This would be for video game clips that sometimes were only under 30 seconds! The movie ones were timed to end quickly, but that Marine one took forever to end.


The major two advertisers I've noticed towards video games and Spike TV/G4-like channels/magazines is the Armed Forces and Drug PSAs (Alcohol, Smoking, Pot). Both which I find very annoying as they do run ad nausea, especially those 'Truth' drug PSAs. And I would love to see the Ad designer for those Truth ads be fired one day, cause they are god awful. It's like Drug PSAs have never evolved from the 80's/90's.


I have no problem with what the Armed Forces do, just I would love to have anything that zaps commercials that play way more than they should or hell, have no commercials at all. This probably is why I also don't listen to radio anymore, they play the same songs over and over again to the point where I just can't stand them.

Why yes, even when I told them 'NO' all the time, I've had the Army recruiters call my home phone constantly during and after High School (As High Schools have to give out your phone numbers to them). Even as I struggled out of Special Education into Normal classes. Yes, they target Special Ed. Students too. It wasn't until College that they stopped. I think they really aren't all that different from bank/refinance telemarketers.

And yet there's no protesters for a game like Wall Street Kid.

-Hyena

 

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Demographic, whatever. If you want me to call it a demographic, fine, then I will.

"Do you really watch Adult Swim every single night all the way till the early mornings (5:00 am)" Yes and no. I do watch it every night, but usually up to about 1-3 ish. Often closer to 1:30ish or 2:00ish.

"Read any videogame magazines that are left around these days? Watch G4" And no, I do not. Nor do I have any opinion on that because of that fact.

And I absolutely dispise those drug PSA commercials. Two in particular: Above the Influence, and Truth. I want to stab everyone involved.

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Back in the First World War, Second World War and also in the Vietnam war people who were 18 years of age had to be sent to war regardless of whether they believed in it or not.

These days thanks to the army recruitment programs, we don't have to worry about serving the country in the army, navy or airforce against our will.

If there are people in the army that like being there, then let them join. If there are people who want to do something more with their lives than just being in the army, then let them chose to do that.

That is what the Army Recruitment Centre is there for, allowing people to have a choice.

 

If they were not there, and a war breaks out, it will be just like WW1 & WW2 all over again, and that is the reasons why the Army Recruitment centres are set up just so we don't have to suffer the hardships of going to war against our will all over again.

 

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Why go on a protest when all you are going to do is just make some negative publicity of yourself.

Never worked for the Iraq war...and it is certainly never going to work for the army recuitment.

 

If you don't want young people to serve in the army or going off to war, just focus on letting your own children know about what you think that the army does, don't take it out on other people who could be innocent and just trying to do their job.

 

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Doom90885 made me realize something in the other thread about this.

If these people were smart they would go to secretary of state (blech) Hillary Clinton about this.

I mean she's said that violent video games were bad and harmful in the past so they should just tell her that our Army is using them to recruit people.

She'll either have to start something against them or put herself in an awkward position and probably make her look like a hypocrite.

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I doubt they're smart enought to go to her to shut down the AEC.

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I get the feeling that these people that are protesting the AEC are

A) lemming-like minded

B) need a crowd

C) don't know all the details

and

D) just a bunch of people that want to make some noise because of their overall discomfort in society.

 

 

the fact that their chant was changed, and that people went with it is funny because why would anyone start saying something else?

 

not to mention the part where these people blindly started marching, not even bothering to ask the people that run the AEC for a compromise.

From what I see this is a "do what we say because were a mob and we said so" kind of deal. If I was american I'd enlist in the army just to spite these people, since these days it's pretty much impossible to see war as something completely glamourized. Even if  person is stupid enough to think that they are just going to join the army, kill a few people, get promoted and be taken off the front lines in a few months, then they are deluded to begin with.

 

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"From what I see this is a "do what we say because were a mob and we said so" kind of deal."

You don't see many protests, do you?  That's basically all they are.  You won't find a single person open to debate the subject rationally at a protest.  Many carry signs that say things like "we will not compromise" and shit like that. 

God, now I'm getting flashes of the most recent PETA protest nearby.  Not only are they rude and annoying in their protests, but they also go for the "shock" value with a lot of their stunts.

But yeah...from what you see, you see what a protest in essence really is.

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That's because by the time it gets to the point of having to protest all options for a rational discussion and compromise have been long passed.

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Not in today's society. Neither side is willing to negotiate these days they just jump right to protests...This age is a very my way or the highway age I've noticed...I've seen people in debates throw out a perfectly good compromise and the other side basically tell them to piss off cuz compromise isn't good enough...it -HAS- to be exactly how they want it.


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I make a point of getting chicken at KFC everytime PETA goes to protest it.  Those people piss me off so very much.  My favorite part, however, was how they followed me to my car so they could take down my plates and try to harass me at my house.  That lasted for about 5 minutes.  Protesters are all brave when they can protest against people who won't fight back (KFC, the US Army, whoever they're protesting against), but when someone stands up to them, a lot of them fuck off.  Kind of like when Wayne LaPierre debated that jackass from PETA who said we shouldn't be allowed to hunt.  Best debate ever.  LaPierre whips out a stack o' papers from Virginia which has the stats on how many animals were put to sleep at the local PETA. 

Actually, any debate with Wayne LaPierre in it is fun.  There's a debate on youtube, the great UN gun debate, where he goes up against some dumb bitch from Australia, and he hammers her the whole time, and then at the end, she is asked by some Brit what she has to see about him not being to take part in his favorite sport (pistol shooting).  She says 'Find a new hobby'.  Great video.

Y'all need to youtube that shit.

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Heh, on the PETA vs Wayne LaPierre videos, that is another one on youtube in which they bring up PETA's connections with domestic terrorists groups... the best part is when Pierre starts quoting high ranking EPTA members condoning the use of violence, bombings and what not. Frankly i just wish i could find that whole debate and not just those two snippets from the peta debate.

Though one thing i found funny in the animal killing video was the fat guy at the beginning, mainly because is sounds like he's was speaking from a certain penn and teller episode =p

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I never saw that second one where they talk about PETA and terrorism.  That was fan-fucking-tastic. 

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I think it's kind of silly to get purposely arrested like that. What point does that make? None that I can see. It just wastes the time of law enforcement.

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I'm rather shocked at the responses I am reading here. A bit of research does wonders. The Army Experience center is indeed a recruitment center. All you have to do is visit their website http://www.thearmyexperience.com/ and it's clear that's what the purpose of the place is. This is by the fact that they show army careers and have army staff on hand to answer questions about the military. If this were a pure gaming center, they certainly wouldn't have “alternative high school” sessions where you can get your GED listed as events. In fact the gaming area is just one part of the entire center.

What everyone needs to keep in mind is that these people aren't protesting video games. They are protesting the Army's use of them as a recruitment tool. There is a very big difference. As a 34 year old hardcore gamer myself, I support their protest. As with any job that involves the potential to loose your life, the dangers shouldn't be made into something fun. That's what the army's use of video games does.

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Well by that measure...if Video games are -only- for fun...then I guess we ought to destroy and Ban -ALL- Simulation media which provides an idea of what you might be getting into... from what I've understood of the Army Expirience it's used to enhance not poke fun at War. They are basically using it as a visual interactive medium to give people an idea of what will be expected of them. Its honestly a pretty good idea...I imagine most people become a lot more interested or find that it's not really their thing through interactiveity not some recruiter talking at them.

 

Edit: Wanted to add cuz I looked at the site, in big ol Yellow print it says "Age Verification Required." Meaning I have a hard time believing that little kids are running combat simulator missions going OMG! WAR IS COOL! it really is just simulators to let you see what will be expected of you.

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No what they are doing is saying that games are for kids and the army should stay away from kids.

Unfortunately you can still be a kid and be a an adult in this country (collages kids,18-30), so it comes down to the anal retentive and inane argument used for Camel Joe, "Oh hes making kids smoke!!"  ggaaa.... people and their moronic inbred assumptions.

The trouble here is they want to use any excuse to protest the army when there are a few factual and real world issues that they could whine on about.

In the end recurtment is one step in many to bring in people its not the end all final say in getting people into the army, but I guess they'd rather have a draft rather than media driven recurtment .

Though I must say some form of subscripted basic training/boot camp tied to the peace/amri cores to force some discipline in the drooling youth would be a great thing, let them clean up,build houses and other team driven tasks.

 


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"No what they are doing is saying that games are for kids and the army should stay away from kids." No, they aren't. Please point me to where you are getting that idea from, because I'm missing that part of the video.

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 renedrivers

 

Its not in the video,at least not blantly, its from the whole basis of the protest from start to fin.



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Ah its the insanity stimming from PCisim the line of thought we must have rules to protect everyone from ever little thing is killing us as a culture and nation.


I mean what about Army Junior ROTC?!?!?! they are corrupting the youth of Amerika!!!!


Really people....... you gain a interest in it and like any other job you move from point a to z one step at a time........

 


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From two people quoted in their press release, linked in the article above:

"It targets impressionable minors"

"If you're not old enough to drink you are not old enough to kill. No recruiting of our children!"

Also quoted from the press release:

an enlarged version of the criminal complaint was handed over and stated, in part, "THAT: the Army Experience Center is therefore involved in the "Criminal Solicitation of Minors" - soliciting underage persons to act in a violent manner and thereby promoting and supporting criminal and corrupt behavior..."
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"No what they are doing is saying that games are for kids and the army should stay away from kids."

No. I think what they're saying is the Army knows video games appeal to the young (the Army's target demographic for recruitment), and that the Army is recruiting these young men and women through the use of imagery that depicts a false and romanticized image of Army life.

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Adrian Lopez

 

So you are saying they can not use stuff to appeal to the masses to bring in people to see if they can make it to basic so they can try and make it past basic?

 

 Oy fcking vay whats next keeping kids(15-17) away from job fairs and festvails becuse they might get a fcking job in 3 to 6?


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"So you are saying they can not use stuff to appeal to the masses to bring in people to see if they can make it to basic so they can try and make it past basic?"

I'm not saying that, no.

I'm saying the Army's recruitment center provides a glorified, misleading image of the Army, and is meant to attract the young. Those things combined make the whole thing rather detestable.

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Thats the natrue of any drive to get workers for either hard or mundane/repetivvie work.....good lord people grow up.....

 


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"good lord people grow up....."

If only I could be as mature as you.

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"No what they are doing is saying that games are for kids and the army should stay away from kids."

This. The protest's message seems to be that because the recruitment office has a video game center in it, they must be targeting minors, and won't someone think of the children?

It's bull. I'm sorry, but it is.

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Alex

 

Pretty much, they centered the protest around video games not about the realities of service.

 

 


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Has anybody been to the Army Experience Center and actually asked the people that work there THEIR opinions on all of this stuff? Asked THEM if they are telling people that some video games are like actual combat?

Lots of opinions based on lots of blogging and whatnot, but only way to really get "ground truth" is to go and talk to them. No filters provided by any media, left or right. If they give you bullcrap answers, then you oughta hammer them and say it here. If they give you good answers, you ought to give them credit and say it here.

Question: Why didn't they go to the Dave and Buster's (?) next door and protest their extremely graphic violence video games?

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...because Dave and Buster's isn't using their video games to recruit people into the army, or anything else.

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That's debatable...  recruitment comes in all sorts of forms.   Just as Top Gun was funded and edited by the military (and apparently succeeded as it increased army recruitment by 500%), it wouldn't surprise me to find some of the more recent games have a degree of recruitment intent.

Of course if anyone is stupid enough to join the army simply because they're good at Battlefield 1942 or because they've seen some stupid film they deserve everything they get (probably a bullet in the head, about 10 minutes after being deployed to iraq).

 

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Well, from my experiences at the D&B's in Detroit and Denver, unless they're recruiting people to fight off future alien attacks, or for some sort of basketball league with moving baskets and no defense, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say D&B has no other motive than to provide a place where you can get wasted and play games for their profit.

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Mindless consumerisim prehaps.....

 


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Now why couldn't the police do this to protesters that are actually worth arresting, like the Westboro Church "God Hates Fags" protests? Death threats on gays should be a hate crime, just like death threats on individuals is considered assault.

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Well, you see, you actually need a permit to hold a protest, it's actually not just something you can do generally-- and when you do, its the powers the be being nice and letting you have your say. A mall is one of those oddities of US law where its a private property open to the public, once youve been told to leave and you don't, its tresspassing. While I generally agree with you about phelps et al, I don't know whether they go through the motions they're supposed to (my bet is they do-- you generally can't make that many people angry and cut corners). Therein would be the difference.

Furthermore, leaving aside the utter absurdity of hate crimes in general (assault is assault is assault, no one does it with love), Saying 'all gays should die' is akin to saying 'all humans must die' which is nothing like saying 'im going to kill you'.

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I guess hate crimes can currently only be applied when it get involved with a more tangible breach of the law...i.e. physical harm or the defacing of property (such as graffiti).

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Well, I think these folks *wanted* to be arrested for publicity purposes. Note that the protest organizer put out a press release on the arrests today.

I thought the Philly P.D. did a very nice job, overall. They were professional and gave the protesters plenty of room to get their message out. But they were also clearly ready to deal with any problems. And when it was over, it was over. The protesters were given notice to leave the mall. No one got hurt, no property damage (none that I saw, anyway).

Protesters get some credit for restraint as well. I only saw one guy that seemed to want to push the buttons of the police but his fellow protesters told him not to go there.

 

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SO MUCH THIS. I'd heard from 'Equality for CA' on twitter -- they just passed such a bill:

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Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment Center

You make a valid point there, though im not sure if the cops can do that without infringing on ther 1st admendment rights.

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Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment Center

Hmm.

I'm not exactly sure I can get behind opposing the protesters on this one. Let me elaborate:

- It's true that (as we repeatedly have to point out to anti-game critics) not all videogames are intended for children, and that a large, significant, and vocal adult market also exists. However, and this is an important distinction, just about all children intend to play videogames, and will succeed.

- As much as it is foolish to suggest that minors be legally prevented from purchasing M-rated games, it is equally foolish to suggest that a large number of them will not acquire and play them anyway.

- Anything proclaiming "VIDEOGAMES!" in a mall will attract children, above points withstanding or not.

- As for the use of videogames in the recruitment process... if any recruiter is suggesting that there is any similarity between war in videogames and war IRL (with the possible exceptions of plot, and that people occasionally get shot and die) then they are telling bare-faced lies and I would support the protesters on this basis alone if it's true. Of course, we don't know for sure exactly what role the "game center" is playing in the actual recruitment process. The name "Army Experience" does carry a certain suggestive quality, however...

All of which said...

- Using a game center to attract people to an otherwise ordinary recruitment center, on the other hand is... well, OK. The Army has every right to distribute information so long as it's truthful (and to an extent, even if it isn't). As long as they check IDs at the door, there's really nothing to this story. If an adult is told, and believes, that war is anything like a videogame... well, they're an idiot but it's their own responsibility now.

 

I don't think the protesters are being stupid (and certainly not nearly on the kind of level that anti-game critics employ), but I think the Army is occupying an area here that is grey at best.

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Why? Because the army is trying to remain hip and gain the attention of witless brats?

Sure some who join don't really know what they are getting into but most of the brats are weeded out in boot camp the rest get honed with discipline and life skills that can not be found in mundane life.

I am surprised people think you are a instant member of the army after you get recurtied ...BAH between physicals and boot camp and other checks its more difficult to finish than people realize.

Sure the army is not pure but its not villainous either, I can't really say the same about those that blindly follow antiquated and self ingrandising "we are right they are wrong" BS.

If you are going to protest protest on facutaul things that really mess with people like stoploss.

 


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Personally I don't worry about people that join by misconception. What I worry about is people of, say, sixteen years, who encounter a glorious image painted, an image of cool and brave, reinforced by the heroic games they show off, and for two years so blindly focus on this image that by the time they get in it takes so long to realize the truth that by the time they open their eyes, they're already in too deep. If the army were to fight against giving off such an impression, they can use games all they want and I wouldn't give a damn.

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First off have you played any of the games in question? are that heroic??

 

Secondly When they get out on their they will be in for far more of a reality shock/check than in any branch of civil service.......

 


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