Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment Center

May 3, 2009 -

This video shows anti-war protesters yesterday as they marched with police escort to the Franklin Mills Mall in Philadelphia where they delivered a symbolic "criminal complaint" to U.S. Army recruiters and the mall's management company.

The demonstrators were protesting the Army's use of a high-tech, video game-equipped recruitment center located in the mall.

There was a significant police presence as the protesters arrived. They were permitted to enter the mall and stage their rally at the entrance to the Army Experience Center.

As the rally ended, seven protesters, mostly in white masks, were arrested, presumably for refusing to disperse. The arrests were peaceful and appeared to be scripted by the protesters as a symbolic gesture.

UPDATE: A press release on yesterday's protest has been issued by its organizers.

UPDATE 2: The local Fox outlet has a video report.


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Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

Wow. And to think these protesting idiots can live among us.

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

I hope they were booked and released on their own recognizance. Ain't no time worse to go to jail than a Saturday evening.

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

*Yawn*

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Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment Center

And of course, they're peaceful over their arrests so they can be martyred and use themselves as a comparison to the "EVIL, WARMONGERING ARMED FORCES THAT ARE KIDNAPPING OUR CHILDREN WITH VIDEO GAMES" and so forth...

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment Center

Well, only kids play video games. (sarcasm)

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

What concerns me is that they are probably trying to draw on imagry from the 60s when the police really were out of control in regard to arresting protesters.   So now old activists will hear '7 protesters arrested' and mentally link it to the horrible things that happened to protesters back then.

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

Some of these morons could probably use a good dose of CS gas, I hear it does wonders at helping one pull their head out of their ass.

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

Is freedom of speech not one of those freedoms you conservatards like to say these protesters owe to the military?

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

You know, you don't actually have a right to be in the mall, much less speak in it. It's private property and when they say GTFO, its time to go. Just because they were polite enough to humor you and allow you to do your thing doesn't mean you ever had a right to do it. They were being polite, go figure.

Also, those very clearly are not police officers taking them off, my guess is mall security (whom probably turned them over to the police later).

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

And what exactly does my objection to the proposed use of CS gas have to do with your rant about private property? The protesters were arrested, wanted to be arrested, and surrendered peacefully upon being arrested.

I was merely objecting to the idea that protesters should be gassed simply for protesting.

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

Being arrested for a refusal to disperse has nothing to do with free speech, jackass.  It has to do with going out of your way to disrupt a flow of business in a mall.  Who gets arrested for that? 

Any other snarky comments?

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

You were talking about using CS gas on a non-specific "some" of the protesters. Now you talk about arresting those particular protesters who refused to disperse and make no mention of CS gas at all. Clever rhetorical trick, that.

Which one of us is the bigger jackass, I wonder?

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

It was a response to a post that clearly was aimed at specifically the 7 who got themselves arrested.  If you lack reading comprehension, that is not my problem.  You may need to work on your communication though, since apparently you can't follow a conversation. 

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

"It was a response to a post that clearly was aimed at specifically the 7 who got themselves arrested."

So... you were actually suggesting the cops use CS gas on the protesters inside the shopping mall? Would that not result in quite a bit of collateral damage to innocent people at the mall?

Tear gas would normally be used outside, where you'd find the protesters who weren't arrested. Couple that with your use of "some of these" (as in "some of these protesters") rather than "some of those" (as in "some of those who were arrested"), and it seems to me any misunderstanding has more to do with your inability to communicate than my inability to comprehend what you wrote.

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

No. If you had meant those 7 specifically and no others, you'd have said "those", not "some of these". Especially since the "they" the post you replied on used, was to all of them, not specifically those 7, since it was about that 'they' would probably use the arrests as a tool. Which the press-release did, mentioning the arrests in the headline then only later on mentioning once it was due to disobeying the order to leave. Somehow I doubt that press release was put together solely by the arrested guys.
The way you formulated it now, your post appeared to address the 'they' that was the bigger group of protesters rather than the few that got themselves arrested.

Of course you don't give a rat's ass about how many people logically could read your posts, but I wouldn't say he lacks reading comprehension. What we have here is failure to communicate.

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

"So now old activists will hear '7 protesters arrested' and mentally link it to the horrible things that happened to protesters back then."

I'm sorry, what?  Sounds like we were specifically talking about the 7 jackasses who forced police to arrest them to me.  Although I don't doubt that there were others there who could do with a good taste of CS gas, I think it fairly obvious who we were talking about.  Plus, if you CS gas them, they don't get to go on their martyrdom tip.

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

Let me introduce you to a wonderful word of the english language.
 

Oh and CS gas would have made the martyrdom thing worse, since then everyone could have gone "we were busy with civil disobedience and suddenly they started CS gassing both us and other mall visitors present! Attaca! Attaca!"

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

Don't you people have jobs?

Now I'm waiting for the line "It's the weekend, dumbass". But I had to say it anyway.

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Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

Student. Classes twice a week.

Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

...honestly, you both are jackasses. There. Happy? But so am I. And everyone else to some extent.

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Re: Protesters Arrested at Army's Video Game Recruitment ...

Freedom of speech is clearly a liberal conspiracy by obama in order to raise taxes.  God told me so.

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

I know this is the obvious, but people are crazy...

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Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Crazy if they are playing hip hop game or just crazy?! people looking for reasons to blame about stuff.

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Which people and why?

You don't think using recruiting methods that target underaged kids is at least a little bit questionable?

If so, do you think people who protest against that are crazy?

Or maybe you were saying the people at the US Army, who designed this particular recruiting technique are crazy?

-- http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Who says they're targetting underage kids? They're likely not playing WoW in there, it's quite likely to be more adult oriented games. I'm almost 30, I still play video games. My guess is you're not a juvenile, and you play video games. Are you saying there is no video game marketting towards you?

Also, you know we have things like UAVs and robots now, meaning that at least for some of them this is a very realistic portrayal of what their job would be. You know the majority of troops don't see active combat in the sense that most of them are working supporting roles.

Either way, of all the things to complain about, this really isn't one of them-- or rather pick your battles otherwise you discredit everything that close to sounds the same.

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Underage? Are you just a troll, or are you serious? Underage?

Do we really have to go through the "protect the children" argument again? Books, movies, TV advertisments all safe, but games are toys and shouldn't be touched by adults, right?

Yes, recruiters are tricksters, and while I was in boot camp, my greatest desire was to go back and punch that guy in the face. But it was worth it, anyway. And I forgave him.

All in all, it's still just an attack on our honorable troops.

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

"Yes, recruiters are tricksters, and while I was in boot camp, my greatest desire was to go back and punch that guy in the face.

But it was worth it, anyway. And I forgave him."

Was that after Sarge showed you the joys of barracks sex?

I will never forget the story of the new recruit who was put in his barracks with the other new recruits and had the lights shut out on their first night. After a few minutes, the recruit heard a sound. It went "creak creak creak creak creak creak............"

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

don't be a dick

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Troll? I see, so you disagree with what I say, so I'm a troll? Riiiiight.

Actually, TV advertisement have pretty strict rules about advertising to children.

It's been well documented that the US Army uses video games to recruit underage (younger than 18) kids. Look it up.

-- http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Whatever documentation you have of the US army recruiting underage minors is false.  Period.  They can advertise a life in the military to them.  They can send a whole bunch of recruiters to High Schools and to where kids are.  They can do all of this, yet no minor can enter the army.  Thus, there is no recruitment of minors. 

You have to be a legal adult (aka, age 18 or above) to enter into military service, and by that point, they're not minors.  Look it up.

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Used to be you could be 17 and go to basic and whatnot, but you weren't allowed to go to a combat zone (or to really leave the country).  This was actually a great route; many people who joined at 17 managed to finish basic, get through with AIT, and even go to Airborne school, all while getting their GED, before they turned 18.  Not too shabby, methinks.

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

I guess you didn't look it up then.

-- http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

If you know where the info is, why don't you link it for us?  Stop trying to get us to help you persuade us, its your job to provide the info.

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Let me ask you something. Is it wrong for the medical profession to advertise a career as a doctor to teenagers? What about the information technology? Teaching? Farming? Scientific?

Teenagers at at an age where they start thinking about the careers that they will want to be in for the rest of their lives. They start working part time in retail and resturaunts.

Why is it so bed to present military as a viable career option or a method to get started in what ever they do want to do? I really don't see the issue with providing teenagers with information about a military career as long as they are not actually signing them up for it until they are 18.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Man im so sick of people saying there is no problem with this since other jobs do the same thing..... the whole point is that the army isnt anything like other jobs. No one has a problem with the medical profesions doing this because nothing THAT bad is going to happen to someone who choses one of these job options. If you join the army however you have a good chance of getting killed, seeing your friends killed, having to kill innocent families etc.

Can people seriously NOT tell the difference here..... geeze this place confuses the hell out of me sometimes.

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Medical professions often have comparable dangers. Do you know how many doctors and surgeons die from nosocomial infections and getting jabbed by patients' needles? I realize it's not the head exploding type of danger you face in the military, but you do have to deal with lots of incredibly dangerous substances in your workday, unless you're in one of the 'safer' branches, like dermatology.


Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

That and the fact that doctors have to pay $100s of thousands of dollars in malpractice insurance or risk finacial and career ruin if they don't.

But still, I don't understand how the terrors of war are an acceptable reason not to market a career in the military to teenagers. Seriously. How much of a moron do you have to be to think that there is no risk at all when joining the military. Just watching a war movie, you learn that you may die and friends of yours may die. It is pretty common knowledge that people die during their term in the military.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

I think the general idea is that are purposefully giving them an inaccurate protrayal of the dangers of the job, which angers them.

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Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Are they giving them purposefully inaccurate portrayals? How do we all know? Has any of us actually BEEN to the place and actually TALKED to the people that work there?? Until you do that, all of this...I mean ALL of this conversation is speculation. I plan on trying to get there soon.

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

Course we could be like other countries and just have a non-volunteer army...I mean then the kids wouldn't have a choice they'd just be like yer 18 in you go! The fact of the matter is...they have a right to advertise the military as the viable career option it is. I'd have gone into the Navy if I'd have been physically well enough to handle the PTs and stuff...but I wasn't so the Military wasn't an option for me even though the structured environment woulda been good for me. people can hate the military and stuff but really people that join up either do it for the wrong reason (money/college) expecting that nothing bad will happen. Or the right reason (knowing full well they might put their life on the line for their country). It amazes me that Police officers are better recieved as a respectable job (and I've been harrassed worse by Police academies) while the military has a similar job (Only on a national level, keep the peace and all that) but they are treated like the plague.

Re: Video of Protest, Arrests at Entrance to Army's Video ...

I think, the concern from critics is that recruitment centers like this one will only increase the number of people who join the military for the wrong reasons, not the right ones...

people who want to join the military for the right reasons are likely gonna join regardless of these recruitment centers... the centers seem like they would only attract the eye of those who are uncertain or never thought about it before; and when they advertise themselves, they probably don't do enough to mention the serious negatives that go along with being in military... afterall, you want to get people to join, not scare them away... they grab the eye of those that may not take it serious, who attracted to fame, glory, and money but don't hear about about how ugly the battlefield can get... this recruitment center seems like a huge gimmick, and those who have never thought about military before, but would be willing to join it for the right reasons, could likely be recruited though less gimmicky methods and with a straight story of what military life is like... essentially, i think that critics feel that these methods of recruitment are deceptive.  

 

As for the difference between Police and military is a number of things... for one thing, the battlefield for a solider, especially during war time, would be more hellish than whatever police have to deal with on a day to day basis... depending on where you live, an officer may not have to pull out their gun for a long time. When it comes to crime, a police officer can sometimes end a crime with a simple "freeze", and if not may only need to wound the criminal... military on other hand are seriously threaten by the enemy to the point where they pretty much must kill; Not to mention that sometimes you may end killing civilians with your actions, like in bombing strikes or what not (closest police come to this is generally, using non-lethal methods to control a mod or something)... And as for their own lives, not sure about this in terms of exact statistics, but i think the life expectancy of a solider during war time would be much lower than that of an officer (if not, i'm sure many critics see it that way)... not to mention the nature of police work is almost always about protecting our own civilians where as military makes more offensive moves against the enemy; actions in defense are always necessary, but actions that are offensive can be debatable in their value depending on the given situation... it's not that often you get someone question if the police needed to take a certain action, but military moves on the other hand are often questioned by many; some think that some battles or casualties could have been avoided, or that the some of the actions the military is ordered to execute are more damaging then they are beneficial 

Ya, i think i can see how the military recruitment critics would be able to rationalize and draw a line between police and military

 
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