Louisiana Senate to Consider Jack Thompson Video Game Bill Today

May 6, 2009 -

The Louisiana Senate will apparently discuss a Jack Thompson-authored video game bill in a hearing scheduled for later this morning.

The Senate Committee on Commerce, Consumer Protection and International Affairs has SB 152 on its agenda for today.

The measure was proposed by Sen. A.G. Crowe (R) and is similar to the Thompson bill which recently passed the Utah legislature before being vetoed by Gov. Jon Huntsman. Like the Utah bill, SB 152 would hold companies that advertise age restrictions on products guilty of a deceptive trade practice if the product is then sold to someone underage.

While video games are not specified in the measure, they were clearly Thompson's intended target in crafting the legislation.

A review of SB 152 indicates that it goes a step beyond the Utah bill by also holding retailers guilty of a deceptive trade practice for selling a product labeled with an age restriction (for instance, an M-rated game) to someone underage. This section seems to be very close to the type of content-based sales restriction which federal courts have consistently found unconstitutional.

In addition, the bill requires retailers to check the I.D. of buyers and to post signage indicating that I.D. will be checked.

GamePolitics has left messages for Sen. Crowe to inquire about the bill. So far, he has not returned our calls. We asked Thompson last night whether he would be testifying on behalf of SB 152 today. He told us it was uncertain whether the hearing would go forward today. However, we reached a staffer in Crowe's office this morning who told us the hearing would take place.

UPDATE: The committe is webcasting its hearing now. Click here for the committee list. Click on the TV icon to the right of the Committee on Commerce, Consumer Protection and International Affairs to watch the hearing. The committe is now discussing SB 29. As I write this the Thompson bill is fifth in line for consideration.

UPDATE 2: We had to wait until the very end of the committee hearing to learn that Sen. Crowe has deferred the SB 152 hearing until next week. Join us then...


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Re: Louisiana Senate to Consider Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

 

Once again, Jack is totally repeating his failure.  Time for all the anti-censorship and game biz to protest this bill.  When will Jack learn they can't pass the bill because of something called "the 1st amendment" and also something called "studies that prove video game are not the cause of school shooting" 

 

 

 

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It feels like we've been here before.

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Holy shit! Deja vu!

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Another bill that would pass on lies and slander about the content in Videogames,

another bill to get the support from politicians and family groups,

another bill that would get challenged

another bill that would be deemed unconstitutional

another epic fail for Jack

another senario of people's heads exploding on talk-back radio shows that the baby boomer generation have to deal with

another mess that the Videogame industry does not really want or need at a time of global resession

another few politicians that would lose votes from people who play Videogames from Gen X and Gen Y gamers.

another couple of politicians who can't understand the real point of the 1st Admendment.

And overall, another bill that would cost US tax payers hundereds and thousands of dollars. And it is all one man's fault.

 

TBoneTony

Re: Louisiana Senate to Consider Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

I have a question about all these bills that Thompson or anyone else tries to pass.

What would be the constitutional issues with a bill that simply:

-requires all retailers to check IDs for products that are rated-R or M in all cases, and then

-fines them or requires them to deal with it at the employee level if they are found to have not abided by the bill, so that they stop just not caring about checking and know it will affect them?

All the other bills we keep seeing have these other things that make them not right and we complain, but what about one that simply holds the retailers to following their own policies about ID checking. 

What happened to common sense?

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The thing is, that cannot be applied through force of law, it's using a third party system, the ESRB as a legally enforceable rating.

Most stores do uphold their own selling policies a lot of the time, yes, mistakes are made, and you get bad apples, there are Politicians who have been known to be alcoholic, does this mean we should pass a law that any Politician who is found to be drunk at any stage of their life should lose their job? George Bush wouldn't have got far for a start.

That's the danger, it stereotypes all retailers as equal to the worst of them, typical behaviour for Thompson, he's been taking that blinkered attitude with just about anything that opposes him, and yet somehow manages to actually adopt the very traits he claims to hate so much, insults, threats, spamming, sending porn via Email, all the very things he berates gamers for doing to him are things that he specialises in doing to other people.

Make the policy force of law and, with a voluntary system such as the ESRB, which, despite Thompsons' repeated claims to the contrary, can be opted out of, in this financial climate, which do you think most corporate entities would choose?

Personally, I think it would have been quite amusing if the law HAD been passed in Utah, simply to watch retailers drop out of the system with Thompson running round flailing his arms shouting 'But you can't, you're not allowed! I SAID SO!!' and then have to explain to the legislature how he's completely screwed the rating system in Utah. It would have been hilarious!

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Only way he'd find out is he'd be having his little stake-outs all over the state, trolling for violations.

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Is our states learning?

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Didn't they learn their lesson last time? Something to the tune of $91K?

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That 91k = Homes that won't be built for families that need it, cours,e Thompson doesn't care as he has a home to go back to.

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Politicians just never learn, do they? This bill will get struck down like all the others have, and will only waste time and money that could have been spent on things that would actually help this country.

As a wise old Observer once said, to constantly repeat the same action and expect a variant reaction is surely a sign of madness.

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I'm surprised THompson said it was uncertain, he's usually more confident than that, while adding in that lives are at stake if his law doesn't pass

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When will it sink through Thompsons' incredibly dense skull that ESRB ratings are voluntary advisory values, not compulsory safety advice? They are designed to advise the parents on the suitability of the game compared to the age of their child, not warn them of danger should the product be used by someone younger than the recommended age.

It's always amusing to watch Thompson flail around like a demented seagull with a bloodlust, but it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant politicians who 'supposedly' have their finger on the pulse of public opinion, continually fail to realise just how much of a smoke and mirrors merchant Thompson is, despite him being proved as such only a few weeks prior. As Zippy states, makes you wonder whether they really have the faintest clue regarding reality and are seriously behind step when it comes to keeping tabs on the company they choose to keep.

You would have thought with recent incidents of politicians getting into trouble for being associated with dodgy or discredited individuals, that they would have learned their lesson by now, instead, Crowe stands a chance of simply pouring more taxpayer money down the drain when the taxpayers themselves have precious little to spare. Not the wisest political choice to make in this day and age.

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When will it dawn on Jack-O that the ESRB's rating scheme is purely voluntary? Oh, sometime in the year Two-Thousand-and-Never, I'd imagine. 

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Just how long dose it take for the real world to hit goverment?

The man has been discredited and yet they are listening to him...

 


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Um Zippy my friend might I submit that you are living in lala land again.  When did Goverment and reality ever have much to do with each other?  

It is not reality we are dealing with here but jackies ability to prey on fears (save the kiddies).  To paint a horrid target that effects said politicos on a personal level (most have families) then giving them a target to relieve their fears, games. 

Guess you could say that jackie has become a fair to good lobbyist, if only against a games and the idea therein. 

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 Does games really NEED to get an ESRB rating, or they're adding it voluntarly.

If ratings are getting too much trouble, i could see them droping it, or why not just modify the descriptions to excludes the age, just keep the M for Mature or E for everyone etc, but not include the age group.  that way they can't say it's for 18+, since it's for mature ppl.

the Law would be worthless, well in games anyways. since they're no age restrictions.

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It all depends. Do you want your game on one of the major consoles? Do you want your game sold in brick and mortar stores? If you answered yes to either of those questions, it becomes a requirement due to their policies. Stores will not sell games that do not have a rating (which is a bit hypocritical considering they have no problem selling movies that do not have ratings) and the major consoles will not license your game without a rating.

Other than feel free to release as many unrated games for the PC through digital distribution as you want.

E. Zachary Knight
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Problem is, try definng 'mature' without the arbitrary age slapped on it. Some people are mature for their age at 15, some are never mature.

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 This is where parents come in...  but I guess that would also abolish the stores voluntary ID checks and it becomes a free for all.   It would become all or nothing, instead of the middle ground we're standing on today. 

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Gives a new meaning to Jack Thompson eating Crowe I suppose....

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I thought this was unconstitutional anyway as if gives a non-governmental group (the ESRB) domain over what what would be a legally binding restriction.  Is that not true?  How can they think ESRB ratings could be legally binding?

Re: Louisiana Senate to Consider Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

Well, since Thompson didn't lose his home to a hurricane, and diverting tax money from helping other people get their homes back deson't effect him personally, he doesn't have a problem with it. Odd since when a hurricane was possibly going to ravage his home he demanded GP report it.

 

And what is there to even consider here? That the bill came from a crakcpot who essentially wasted over 100k trying to get a state to join his moral crusade?

Re: Louisiana Senate to Consider Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

Heard what happened, Im hoping the louisiana senate learned from their past mistake over thier last bill involving JT (But i think not), Veto it and declare it unworthy, Even though i dont live in that state, It's likely we may have to fight the bill, Since hearing this and concerning katrina survivors, This is a waste...When people who lost their homes, their livelyhood and such need the money more than this piece of toliet paper.

Consider JT will never learn from his mistake (and glad he wont), This bill was just as worthless as HB353 (Thank god huntsman did the right thing.).

But far as im concerned...Are we still going to plan to fight this bill head on like ESA/MPAA and ERSB did for HB353

Cause were (Or me) not even sure if this bill passes the senate majority vote.

 

 

Magic Taco

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There needs to be a Jack Thompson awareness campaign. Seriously, are we just going to have this guy hop from state to state with this bill?

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Somebody can start an anti-Jack Thompson campaing with a webpage or a simple blog and send newsletters to the goverment.

It could be like:

www.dontlistentojackthompson.com

www.jackthompsonisthephail.com

www.jackthompsoneatsbabies.com

www.jackthompsonsupportssuicidegamers.com

But seriously, somebody needs to "blow the whistle" about this douche...

 

 

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Maybe http://www.godhatesjackthompson.com to parody Fred Phelps' hatred of things that conflict with his religious beliefs.

Just a thought.

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It looks like they are going to get to it on a later date...

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I wish I'd heard about this earlier so I could get out there.  If they don't get to the bill today I'll definitely head over when they resume considering it.  I'm guessing my main argument against it will be that they are wasting the taxpayers' money on a bill that is so obviously unconstitutional.  Then again most of them probably already know that.

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Update 2 says you get your chance.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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Huzzah then.  Anything particular people think I should mention while there?  I'll probably use my resources as a psychology grad student to read through the relevant studies.  Anybody remember who conducted the various studies that are always cited to support these laws?  It makes it a lot easier to find the full text on PsycInfo if I have that.

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good luck and may the force be with you if you make it down there!

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Don't worry about studies. Just focus on court precedent. Get the judges ruling from the last LA bill and other rulings from around the country. Also get some dirt from the Utah fiasco.

Studies can be twisted to suit their needs, but court precedence is a hard thing to twist.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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Will video or audio be posted afterwords??? 

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You should be able to.   On the Louisiana Legislature website, I went to the "How do I?" section, and it explains that past house videos can be accessed at this link.

http://house.louisiana.gov/H_Video/Hse_Video_OnDemand.htm

Look for the month of May in 2009, and look for a video by Commerce, Consumer Protection, and International Affairs


The video of the hearing should posted up in a few hours.

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House or Senate though?

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It's Senate.

http://senate.legis.state.la.us/Video/

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Within the next day or two their ruling/vote will be published with the rest of the bill information. I am not sure about transcripts or video of the proceedings however.

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Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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ya I can't get audio or video to work either, i wanted some comedic relief during my lunch, ohh well :P

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The fat man jokes ran rampant during consideration of SB 299 (I caught something about treadmills and the Fat Man Obesity Union or some such).  I almost wonder if they're stalling on considering SB 152.

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They're finishing up with SB 299 (Healthy Foods Act)...and they moved on to SB 211.

Oh boy. I thought I heard someone say "SB 152" while they were playing musical chairs.

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I can't get video or audio to work.

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After he fails in Lousiana I wonder where he will head next.  Should not be that hard to pin down really, just find the next republician (conservative) controlled state.  jackie and his (control freak) bills do not go over very well with liberals or those in their right mind. 

Still I am sure the little train that (almost) could named jackie has not been stopped yet.  Pity.  

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I'm surprised he hasn't come here to TN yet

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heh at least he won't try it here in Alabama after that judge kicked him off. If he does I see a trip to Montgomery in the future....

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Re: Louisiana Senate to Consider Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

Jacko is running out of states.  They need not only be conservative but they also need to be his kind of religous moral-police kind of conservative.  I can think of places like Montana or Nebraska that seem pretty conservative but they seem more libertarian to me.  Perhaps South Carolina?

 

 

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If he came here (I live in SC) I'm not sure if I would bash my head against my desk or cheer at the inevitable entertainment.

Probably both.
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Can't get in on audio or video, keeps giving me an unable to locate server error... :(

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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Between what happened in Utah and what happened in LA earlier, and considering that it's even more blatant in its First Amendment violations than Jack's last bill, expect this one to get shot down in flames.

 
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