RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

May 8, 2009 -

The controversy over RapeLay, an obscure but disgusting forced sex simulation, appears to be rekindling. GamePolitics readers will recall that the game sparked a furor earlier this year after it was found to be for sale by a third-party reseller on Amazon.com. In response to complaints the online retailer quickly removed the listing.

This month, New York-based women's group Equality Now has targeted RapeLay and similar games for a letter-writing campaign:

Please write to [developer] Illusion Software asking it to withdraw immediately from sale of all games, including RapeLay, which involve rape, stalking or other forms of sexual violence or which otherwise denigrate women... Please write a similar letter to Amazon Japan.

 

Write also to... Japanese government officials... calling on them to comply with Japan’s obligations under [the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women] and the Japanese Constitution to... ban the sale of computer games such as RapeLay, which normalize and promote sexual violence against women and girls.

Australian news site ABC.net reports that the Japanese developer of RapeLay, Illusion, claims to be "bewildered" by the uproar. Spokesman Makoto Nakaoka told ABC.net:

We are simply bewildered by the [Equality Now protest]. We make the games for the domestic market and abide by laws here. We cannot possibly comment on [the campaign] because we don't sell them overseas.

A Japanese Government spokeswoman to ABC.net:

[The government] realises the problem is there. While we recognise that some sort of measures need to be taken, the office is currently studying what can be done.


Comments

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I have nothing particuarlly against this game (suject mannor a bit on the ick side for me).

However my mother was raped when I was young and that hits quite close to home for me but I won't play Censor with this.

Everyone (who is old enough) has the right to play this in their domestic country, after all this was a domestic game, right?

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

As much as I despise them both, Domestic Violence & Rape have been around for thousands of years since the Roman Empire. These attention whores start these bullshit controversies as it is something brand new & needs to be stopped. For one thing, the game is in Japan, the US Government can't force Japan to withdraw Hentai or anything related to that source, only the Government of Japan can do that. Most women's novels talk about sex & rape sometimes, it's in movies like Play Misty For Me, Fatal Attraction, that awful Obsessed with Beyonce Knowles & the government don't complain about that. next time the guy that was selling RapeLay should of added a warning & whoever bought it, should of hid it instead of flashing it in everyone's faces where the mother couldn't find it, now that happened he can't jack off to it anymore.

What we got here is failure to communicate!

What we got here is failure to communicate!

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Judging by women's novels in America you would think women like being raped. It's all boy meets girl, boy rapes girl, girl falls in love and has child with rapist.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Wow, 182 comments (counting this one).  The only other time we see message counts that high is when Jack's in the news.  Do you realize what that means?  That means Jack Thompson is as popular as a rape sim.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Everytime Jack speaks or writes something and I read it, it feels like my brain is being raped. I've learned to just ignore anything he says because there's nothing ever new anyway.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Yes Japan as a much different view on sex the Chinese and the Vietnamese could tell you long drawn out tales about that. As could your grandmothers if they were caught going on a cruise during World War II.

 

But yes those vending machine of undergirls underwear must all be a lie not to mention that they have to seperate Train Cars because of the incidents and yes Japan has a strong Culture of Rape.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

 Ah I see now. I'm glad you've cleared things up now. You have a very solid argument when you throw out a line like "yes Japan has a strong Culture of Rape". You sure showed me! That's some research right there. I would be impressed if you could somehow link the panty dispensers to rape. Obviously that's not possible, but I encourage you to give it the old college try.

Now it's obvious you're not even trying to back up your argument with any facts, and are just going to repeat 'culture of rape' ad nauseum. So, I'll just end with this.

It's obvious you have some deep-seated hatred of the Japanese, I don't know what happened to you but it doesn't forgive your blatantly racist viewpoints. You disgust me sir. Please come back when you get an education and can think with logic instead of emotion.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

 Oh I just noticed something about this article.

How come GTAIV != murder simulation but RapeLay = 'forced sex simulation'. Irony strikes again!

O and Neo_DrKefka, what the fuck? Japanese have a strong culture of rape?

I won't deny that there were many rapes committed by Japanese soldiers during WWII, but if you seriously believe that they have a 'strong culture of rape' then you are as ignorant as you are arrogant.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Neo umm bat of reality heading your way.

Strong culture of rape? You act as if Japan is the only country that has rape victims and that they're ass backwards. Hate to tell you this WW2 Rapes where commited by hundreds of GI on all sides. Don't think that Japan was the only group to do it. Japan has a MUCH.. in fact VASTLY diffrent view on sex than that of most of the world. Such as they are in fact vending machines in Japan that depense porn. While in the US for example while you can still buy pornography depending on the state and county, and sometimes even township laws, you may need to be as old as 21. You want countries that have laws that "promote" a culture of rape. Hundreds of human rights violations accured in tribal regions (meaning regions of a country with no form of Federal Law in this case) of Somial as well as Iran, Iraq. Woman accused men of raping them, but without an eyewitness for them to help prove their case they where sentence to a beheading.

Yes the woman who have accused men where beheaded because they counldnt prove they where raped. So according to tribal law since they where no longer "virgins" where killed. Thats a bit closer to promoting a culture of rape. 

Heres a few articles to show that that's closer to a culture of rape. Now before anyone starts yelling "Anti-islamic" whatever. Let me make it clear that I am NOT agianst any culture shape fastion or form. These cultures do not support rape, but the way the laws are set up in these cases is questionable and do in essence support a so called "culture of rape" that was probably never the intention but has been perveted to protect the wrong parties.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/21/world/main3529940.shtml

http://www.handsoffcain.info/news/index.php?iddocumento=8337342

Let me put that on my to-don't list.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

We are supposed to feel bad for Japan attacking us and us nuking them for a War they provoked, a war they committed mass Genocide and a war were to this day they will apologize for everything but the massive rape they unleashed to the innocents traveling or staying in the Eastern World.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Yes, Japan does have a strong history of supporting a Rape based Culture. In World War II countless Chinese women were raped and pillaged and even American and Canadian woman and espically Austrialian women were taken as slaves and used as "comfort women."

The Japanese would target luxury cruisers and use the men for slave labor and same with the less attractive women and then they'd use some of the Western Women as comfort women.

The Japanese have a strong culture of rape

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Japan, Land of the Rising Sun, and apparently [insert inapropriate appendage here]

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

 

I wonder how they react to the upcoming famous Japanese game, Sakura Taisen.

http://kotaku.com/5245006/segas-sakura-wars-finally-coming-stateside-but-not-from-sega

 

I hope I don't end up hearing them saying this game contain sex and pedophilia.  I hate people who criticized video game without using their BRAIN!!!

 

mikedo2007

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

If they criticize without doing actual research, they have no brain.

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Yes, people do. He may not be a lawyer anymore, but states are still using him to craft bills.

Let me put that on my to-don't list.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

 

damn right

 

mikedo2007

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Why do I get the feeling that the only reason these women are only crying and moaning over the game is because they haven't gotten laid in a long time. I guess being crazy prevents guys from sleeping with them.

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Also I won't buy the game as much as I have been talking on here.

Mainly because there is no real element of love within this game, and also there are no tentacles involved.

So yeah, I would still defend such a game because it is way too close to something that I do like.

If you don't defend something that you don't like, then you won't be able to defend something that you do like because the law does not care what you do like and what you don't like, the law will just smash you if something you like becomes something that everyone hates.

Or something like that.

TBoneTony

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I'm bewildered about the furor over the game as well.

I mean two used copies of it available on Amazon somehow translated to 'widely available'.

The game is a porn game, not available in English, not ESRB rated and certainly not available in any of the major stores in the U.S. (I would say all stores but you never know).

And yet people still mad e a huge deal over this. I think this became around as big a controversy as Madworld and yet this controversy is all so fucking pointless.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I agree.

Much ado about nothing.

Sadly with my country's internet filter plan that is in the planning stages, I may not be able to buy things online like from amazon.com or even E-Bay.

Now I don't know if it would affect what I could buy online, but it is sometimes scary something that I personally like online can be taken away from me all because of examples like this.

 

 

TBoneTony

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

We cannot possibly comment on [the campaign] because we don't sell them overseas.

This is the point that needs to be addressed. The game, and its content is not meant for the "oversensitive" international markets. Obviously there's a market of some sort for this kind of media in Japan, and it is entirely legal to sell. I don't see why there needs to be such an uproar, much like veryone else.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

In a world where people would think clearly and carefully before making generalisations, this would not happen.

But sadly, we live in a world where politics is about generating as much fear for political gains.

Sadly things like this do happen and people can make a huge stink, making a mountain out of a molehill.

Thus, is the reason why the ESRB may not introduce an AO18+ rating because of the fear that it could give the wrong impression that games like this might be legal.

And uproars like that would be all too common, but then hasn't it always been like this in the American market when it comes to M17+ games?

No matter what is legal or illegal, there will always be people who are not happy.

Also I may as well move to Japan to get away from all of this.

I should try to learn how to talk Japanese before I do that.

 

TBoneTony

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Actually, merry-go-rounds doesn't quite cut it.  Debates are more like two kids on a seesaw; they go up and down for a long time.  Then one of the kids gets the fat kid to sit on their side, launching the other kid across the playground onto the swingset.  Then the kid that's still on seesaw gets to deal with the problem all by himself, while the kid that lost gets to move onto other fun things.  ^^

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Waahh this game might be spreading ideas we disagree with it, it shouldn't exist, waah.

Grow up you numbskulls.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Has anyone actually looked through anime games to see what they have? I'm scared to tell you this, but this game is far from being the worst. It's like the difference between the Soup Nazi and Hitler. You complain because your character rapes three women. What about the games where your character IS the tentacle monster? There are games out there where the bad guys do much worse to the woman then rape them. Do they understand that the theme of rape in their porn not only isn't taboo; it's standard, it's instatutionalized? It's a genre over there. And why are they only attacking the anime game? What about the hundreds of anime series? Or better yet, the thousands of live action movies? (Not exagerating numbers). Has anyone here surfed the web in Japan? Turn back, ye of weak stomache, less you fear to ever close your eyes again!

I'm going to heck for this, but go to o4oCoHoAoNo (masked to try and prevent retalitory flood and or DoS attacks) and ask them to post pictures of their favorite anime game. I'm sure that there are plenty of them that will find the worst games they can just to try and scar you for life (Note: I'm not to be held responisble for you being scarred for life).

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

 The reason they do not attack anything else is simple... they aren't looking...

If no one shoves in their face then they never see it... the only reason this game ever got noticed by anyone outside of japan that cares is because one guy put up a used copy for sale on amazon and someone saw it... there is no market for this stuff here in west, especially not on mainstream sites like amazon or major retail stores... you got to go online to like certain websites or maybe go to a porn store to find anything like that...

This is the same reason why GTA constantly gets attacked, while other games that are just as violent or offensive get a free pass... GTA is mainstream and everybody knows about it, while those other games are not recognized and thus go unnoticed. 

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

It seems the craze of this decade: getting offended by media that is targeted at someone else.

I was curious what the fuss was about, so I downed a pirated version of the game and must admit I rather liked it.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I never tried the game but read a rather lengthy in depth look at it. To me it looked and acted like your standard everyday date-sim, minus the dating.

Let me put that on my to-don't list.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

 Have all these critics who've made such a furor over this game's very existance read Mai-chan's daily life. Thier brains will literally explode and make this a non-issue.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Yes, we must enforce our morality on the other cultures! They don't see it, but that game reprograms their brains so that they don'thave any choice but to treat women worse! If they don't see how wrong it is, we either need to propose new laws to censor this kind of thing, or fax letters to them, lots and lots of faxes.

Congradulations, you have just become Jack Thompson. Where do you want to draw the line? Do you guys think other countries should censor or pull Rapelay off the shelves, but not Grand Theft Auto 4? Why? It's not for sale to children, retail in Japan actually has ratings for adult games.

I stand where I've always stood. No censorship, no exceptions. There are things that are illegal, and that is different then censored. But if it isn't illegal, then it shouldn't be censored. For example, I don't think things like this are to be allowed to be accessed by children. I don't see that as censorship. But the idea that someone shouldn't tell me what I can and can't see, should be extended so that I have no right to tell someone else what they can and can't see.That goes from everything from GTA4 to Micheal Wiener.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

agreed 100000%

 

its totally hypocritical to say Jack thompson is a nutjob for calling for a GTA IV ban based on nothing but personal opinions of an ADULT game, and to do the EXACT SAME THING with this game.

I mean i even find it ironic JT is ridiculed for calling gta a 'murder simulator' , yet people will call this a 'forced sex simulator', and not see the huge face palming similarity there. Ironic that people spend years defending games and attacking JTs credibility, and then completely act JUST LIKE HIM when this game comes along. flip flop much? 

Im sorry the people arent real, they are cartoon images, NO CRIMES are commited, it isnt a 'simulation', unless you find it an accurate representation to have sex using a mouse and keyboard. Simple as. That definition suffers from JUST as many flaws as people were so quick to point out to GTA.  

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Boy I'm sure glad everybody's ignoring this tasteless game and not drawing excessive attention to it. 

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Tastes like attention, smacks of ulterior motives (which, coincidentally, tastes like chicken).

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I'll be blunt, as many people are probably aware from last time, I find the game offensive, however, I have no illusions that this gives me the right to demand a different country with different rules, culture and accepted behaviour change it's nature purely to suit me.

I wouldn't buy it, that's for certain, but it would be arrogance of the highest order to say that because I have absolutely no wish to play the game, that everyone else on the planet should be denied the right to even make that choice for themselves.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I'll just put it bluntly and say that it sounds more like Dennis covering his ass (no offense, Dennis, I can sympathize) than taking a real stand against the game itself.

There's nothing wrong with that, but some people might not see such statements for what they really are.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

 Hmm, another not so subtle shot at this game by Dennis in the first sentence. What a surprise.

Now, I can understand you thinking the game is disgusting, but what's your reasoning behind this game being disgusting and yet, in past stories about GTAIV you never took these little stabs at the over the top murder count in GTAIV? This is the kind of thing that in the Wikipedia world is referred to as 'weasel words'.

Now I could be a little ridiculous here and say that GTAIV is MUCH worse than this game simply by counts of criminal acts. I obviously haven't counted this, but I'd estimate that after playing through the whole GTAIV storyline you've probably amassed more than 100 counts of murder, not to mention counts of money laundering, kidnapping, extortion, drug trafficking, assault/battery and who knows how many counts of grand theft auto.

It'd be nice to have a response for once. I know you've been asked this question every time a story about this game pops up and I've yet to see an answer.

What makes this game disgusting (and I remember you saying that Amazon bowing to pressure was the 'right thing' to do) and abhorrent, but you are quite happy to defend GTAIV whenever it comes up?

I realize that the argument could be made that the point of this game is rape, while the point of GTA is not those crimes I've listed above. I find that a pretty weak argument because you HAVE to commit those crimes in the process of playing the game. I do understand your point if you choose to use that argument though.

EDIT: Ah, NovaBlack beat me to the punch. Curses!

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I'm right there with you.  If GP is going to adopt the "We report, you decide," mantra (those were Dennis' exact words in a past article's comments section), then sentences like the first which repeatedly pop up every time Rapelay is featured have no place here.  Even without getting into the comparisons to other games like GTA, passing off your opinion as fact when you supposedly pride yourself as being a neutral news site is inappropriate at best, outright hypocritical at worst.  Want to talk about how disgusting Rapelay is?  No problem, write an op-ed.

Like you, I've brought this up more than once and have yet to see any response.  I'm not sure why it bothers me this much, but it does.  Maybe it's because I've grown to like the site so much, and Dennis is usually very good about addressing the concerns of its posters.

And before all you self-appointed GP watchdogs jump up to tear my throat out, I'm not saying Dennis doesn't have a right to his opinion on the game, or that he can't express it, of course he does/can.  But I am saying that inserting your opinion (calling the game disgusting) in an article solely meant to inform sends a poor message: "Hey, of course we're a completely neutral site...unless something comes up I find personally offensive..."

"De minimus non curat lex"

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

"Like you, I've brought this up more than once and have yet to see any response."

Have you tried emailing GP?  It's likely he hasn't seen your comments.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

The only thing forced in GTA is combatting armed enemies and/or criminal scumbags for the most part.  I haven't played the rape game, but if its anything like H-rape films, the game would depict terrorized innocent anime girls and trying to illicit a sexual response (in real life) from the player.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

In Vice City, you rob a bank. In III, you're hired as a hitman (I know you're that in IV also). III and Vice City are actually the ones where you are more a criminal...in IV and San Andreas, you're a good guy, an anti-hero of sorts...

Also: RapeLay is porn. GTA is not.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

what about the original GTA? if that hadnt been allowd we wouldnt even have GTA.

The original awarded you for running over long lines of hari krishnas, and gave you completely non story driven 'kill frenzys' with no other point than to shoot / run over / chainsaw / flamethrower as many people as possible.

I mean lets not try and brush the real issue under the carpet. Both are about commiting VIRTUAL criminal acts. (arguably GTA features many MANY more!). So why is one a game that deserves defending, yet one is allegedly 'abhorrent' and it was 'right' for amazon to ban it?

I mean why is virtual rape worse than 100s of virtual murders?. Who decides?

I cant help but feel that is hypocritical.

I think both should be allowed. I dont want to play rapeplay. But i respect that it harms nobody, and respect somebody elses right to play it. I can exercise my right not to purchase it. Crisis averted.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Agreed 100%

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

The controversy over RapeLay, an obscure but disgusting forced sex simulation, appears to be rekindling

 

hmm i still cant get over how vehemently GP attacks this game.

I still see no reason why it should be banned. I dont personally want to play it, but thats my choice. And it works perfectly well.

I just find it extremely hypocritical to support banning this game, yet allowing games like GTA, y'know the 'cop killing muder simulator'?

hmm 'cop killing murder simulator' -> 'no one has a right to ban what i should be able to play'

'forced sex simulation' -> ' ban this filth'

im sorry.. i just find that hypocritical :S

 

Yeah i am aware GTA has other things in it besides murder but lets face it, if you actually counted just how many 'people' you kill in that game its hundreds if not thousands. So.. why is that ok?Because its entertainment and nobody really gets hurt? .. umm whats the difference?

How is going on a kill frenzy slicing up people with a chainsaw (which isnt related in any way to story based goals) any more accepatable than a forced sex simulation?

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

-puts a 2-cent coin in the slot-

"...what?  They're from CANADA.  Don't judge me!"

Anyway, now that I've put my two-cents in, I'd like to make it clear: I do not condone rape.  At the very least, it's pretty black humor (I'm not explaining that one, just roll with it); at most, it's social genocide.  That being said, I'm an AMERICAN; whatever you think or say, if you're not living in JAPAN and happen to be part of JAPANESE society, then what you say about JAPAN is not philosophically sound.  You're seeing rape as something inherently wrong, while those for whom the game was intended may or may not see it as socially taboo.  Is it really our place to decide what a Japanese company produces?

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

By that standard, what right does anyone have in taking any action in any country?  Genocide in Darfur?  How dare you suggest that it's bad!  Africans might think genocide is the greatest thing in the world!

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Exactly!

-facepalm-

I'm sure you realize that a rape game and genocide are two completely different things.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

You're the one who made the argument that people who do not live in a particular region do not have the right to judge what happens in that region.  If you believe that, then you ought to believe that in all circumstances, whether it be the realm of fiction or the realm of war.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I don't like the label "feminism" specifically because of the radical associations the word has. When you call yourself a feminist, like it or not, you are aligning yourself with a radical philosophy because the radicals are the loud ones that are out there vomiting their sadistic, unrealistic agenda all over America.

If you don't want people to call you a radical, then instead of saying,

"I'm a feminist"

try

"I believe that, historically, women have been subjugated as a gender. And that while we have done a lot of things to raise a woman's status in the world, some of the old attiudes towards women have remained. I think it is our responsibility to work to undo those old attitudes, so that men and women can have equal status in society."

 

It doesn't have the same idealistic oomph, but idealistic oomph isn't really useful at all in advancing your cause.

 

Pragmaitists Unite!

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I don't see why I can't call myself a feminist just because I'm not a radical feminist.  It's not really fair.  

By your logic, people should no longer call themselves "Christian" or "Muslim" or even an "aminal rights activists" because they may be lumped in with the loud crazy people of those groups, too.  It's stupid.

Yes.  I am a feminist, but I don't believe men are inherently evil, or that they all rape.  That's just batshit insane.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Well, they did make a point that, a lot of feminism has been tarnished by the Third Wave feminism. It broke down, it's ununified. Groups are fighting among each other: you got some say all men are evil; you got some say women are superior; some say women are always oppressed, regardless of the situation (even in committing murder); some say both sexes are biologically equal in every way; some say all women should have jobs and any who decided to be house wives are ignorant of their oppression and are in need of their help to break free.

Does that mean all of them are bad? Of course not. But the fact is, those groups now exist, and it has left a bad taste in the feminist movement. If you want to call yourself feminist, that's fine; if you are a feminist who is pushing for equality, though, I think it would be best to discern yourself closer as a Second Wave feminist.

 
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Sleakerand just for future reference. National Reports is a fake news site, they decided to remove their disclaimers a while back apparently...09/01/2014 - 3:25am
Thomas RiordanDon't feel bad. I posted the same thing last night and deleted it once I realized it wasn't real.08/31/2014 - 11:13pm
E. Zachary KnightAh. The report actually read serious to me. Oh well. At least it didn't happen.08/31/2014 - 7:46pm
ConsterAlthough apparently someone who was in a swatting ring in Texas took a plea for up to 5 years in July.08/31/2014 - 7:14pm
ConsterProbably because it's a satire site.08/31/2014 - 7:13pm
E. Zachary KnightI agree that the kid should be punished, but the charge and sentence seem a bit overboard to me. http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/08/31/2014 - 6:56pm
Andrew EisenI get a "page doesn't exist."08/31/2014 - 11:50am
MaskedPixelantehttps://twitter.com/Nevelets/status/506076879309508608 What we're currently supposed to be offended by, or whatever.08/31/2014 - 10:10am
MechaTama31AE: Probably snarky commentary on this: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2014/08/29/principle-player-leland-yee-arms-trading-case-dies08/30/2014 - 8:43pm
Andrew EisenConster - Don't know. Got a link to whatever you're referring to?08/30/2014 - 7:04pm
ConsterWait, what's this about Leland Yee eliminating witnesses?08/30/2014 - 5:50pm
IanCBroke my EA boycott to pick up Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare. Loving it. Still hate EA though. But i like Popcap. Gah.08/30/2014 - 6:01am
MaskedPixelantehttp://m.tickld.com/x/something-you-never-realized-about-guardians-of-the-galaxy Right in the feels.08/29/2014 - 6:56pm
AvalongodAgain I think we're conflating the issue of whether Sarkeesian's claims are beyond critique (no they're not) and whether its ever appropriate to use sexist language, let alone physical threats on a woman to intimidate her (no it isn't)08/29/2014 - 5:04pm
prh99Trolling her or trying to assail her integrity just draws more attention (Streisand effect?). Which is really not what the trolls want, so the only way to win (if there is a win to be had) is not to play/troll.08/29/2014 - 5:02pm
prh99Who cares, just don't watch the damn videos if you don't like her. Personally, I don't care as far as she is concerned as long there are interesting games to be played.08/29/2014 - 4:34pm
Andrew EisenZip - And yet, you can't cite a single, solitary example. (And no one said you hated anyone. Along those lines, no one claimed Sarkeesian was perfect either.)08/29/2014 - 3:51pm
Andrew EisenSaint's Row: Gat Out of Hell was just announced for PC, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360 and Xbox One making it the 150th game For Everything But Wii U! Congratulations Deep Silver!08/29/2014 - 3:49pm
ZippyDSMleeI do not hate them jsut think its mostly hyperlobe.08/29/2014 - 3:40pm
 

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