RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

May 8, 2009 -

The controversy over RapeLay, an obscure but disgusting forced sex simulation, appears to be rekindling. GamePolitics readers will recall that the game sparked a furor earlier this year after it was found to be for sale by a third-party reseller on Amazon.com. In response to complaints the online retailer quickly removed the listing.

This month, New York-based women's group Equality Now has targeted RapeLay and similar games for a letter-writing campaign:

Please write to [developer] Illusion Software asking it to withdraw immediately from sale of all games, including RapeLay, which involve rape, stalking or other forms of sexual violence or which otherwise denigrate women... Please write a similar letter to Amazon Japan.

 

Write also to... Japanese government officials... calling on them to comply with Japan’s obligations under [the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women] and the Japanese Constitution to... ban the sale of computer games such as RapeLay, which normalize and promote sexual violence against women and girls.

Australian news site ABC.net reports that the Japanese developer of RapeLay, Illusion, claims to be "bewildered" by the uproar. Spokesman Makoto Nakaoka told ABC.net:

We are simply bewildered by the [Equality Now protest]. We make the games for the domestic market and abide by laws here. We cannot possibly comment on [the campaign] because we don't sell them overseas.

A Japanese Government spokeswoman to ABC.net:

[The government] realises the problem is there. While we recognise that some sort of measures need to be taken, the office is currently studying what can be done.


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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Equality Now's letter, translated: LOOK AT US! WE'RE RE-LA-VENT!

Besides... don't we in the U.S. have plenty of our own social issues?

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Usually people who blow their stack like this aren't effected by said social issues so have to poke their nose into someone else's social issues.

It's people like those that make the planet hate the U.S.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Really? Cuz I've always found that these high horse morality police people are either in complete denial over their own circumstances, or complete hypocrites... see: Sen Spitzer.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Look, it's not even a proper game! It's interactive porn FFS! This does not belong with your "quick, we must defend this - THEY'RE BASHING GTA *waaaaah*" usual reactions, dipshits!

Personally I have no problem with this kind of porn - seriously, it makes for a good fap; plus it's CG, so no real humans are harmed - but this is not gaming as usually covered by GamePolitics. It needs to be disected under a totally different critical lens.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Edit: Sorry, this was meant in reply to the original poster, not your comment

I diagree. To me this is exactly the same situation as GTA in that a serious criminal acts are being portrayed in a game. If anything I'd have to say I consider GTA worse in that it's possible to commit mass murder which is as serious as crimes get.

Rapelay may well be offensive to many, but this is exactly how many people feel about violence in games like GTA. Taboos around sex and violence are not the same in all cultures.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

They don´t care. For them, Rapelay is the same as GTA or Cooking Mama.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

It's enough of a game to set a bad precedent for other censorship.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Douchebags! All of you - you're ALL douchebags. ARGH - GP Rage Quit!

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Aww, don't forget to write!

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

There's no question it is a game. It may not have 3d graphics and full controls over your enviroment, sure its probably like a dating sim where its more of a multiple choice graphic novel, but its still a game.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I also found this piece of information a bit iffy.

 

"Players earn points for acts of sexual violence, including stalking girls on commuter trains, raping virgins and their mothers, and forcing females to get abortions, according to the group's online statement."

like...this has slander and lies printed all over it. HOW COME CAN THEY SAY THAT ABOUT A GAME WHICH THEY HAVE NOT PLAYED????

TBoneTony

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

It's easy.  Nobody in the mainstream media will question what they say.  And nobody on the freedom side of the issue dares correct them, because they don't want to seem to be supporting rape, in an indirect and stupid, but still potentially politically damaging way.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I am not sure GP is all that high and mighty here either.  Every time this game comes up GP makes very sure to let every know over and over how abhorent the game is and is careful to barely (if at all) defend it's right to exist.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I am not sure GP is all that high and mighty here either.  Every time this game comes up GP makes very sure to let every know over and over how abhorent the game is and is careful to barely (if at all) defend it's right to exist.

It does seem rather inconsistent, especially compared to the treatment that other violent games have received here. On the other hand, the mainstream media does pay some attention to GP, so imagine the media circus that would ensue if GP didn't act that way. Like it or not, currently it's much more acceptable to defend fictional violence than fictional rape (despite the fact that rape is really another form of violence). So similar to how politicians always try to avoid appearing "soft on crime", I'm guessing that for various reasons GP doesn't want to risk appearing "soft on rape".

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

It is a pretty standard stance to take.... it is also the same stance that, say, movies are taking against games.  It makes it difficult to have sympathy for the gaming press when they are so willing to throw thier own to the wolves in order to look more mainstream.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Its actually worse then fictional rape for at least video games.  Video games can't even have fictional sex or nudity.  I can go into Best Buy and find a movie that has some fictional sex(and nudity) in it.  I can go to where I work and find LOTS of books that have fictional sex and non fictional sex books like Sex for dummies.  Yet for some reason video games are pretty much prohibited from having a sex scene on par with R rated movies(much less nudity).  Those games that do have it, like hentai games above are hard to find and only findable online.  Now I figure eventually this will change as we gamers get older and larger in numbers.  While I find it kinda of a double standard(since movies tend not to) but if to get games on par with R rated movies, stores can easily place them behind the counter or in a glass case.

On the article, though its kinda sad but basically you have a liberal group now demanding such games be stopped basically and I'm sure there will be some conservative groups who will protest because its anti christian.  Guess for those who enjoy japanese dating sim games, better get them while you can.  I can imagine someone trying to get a law passed that bans all being imported into the USA.  I'm surprised JT hasn't joined the uproar yet.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

"I can imagine someone trying to get a law passed that bans all being imported into the USA"

They can try, but honestly, I'd see it as a fail. I don't think it'd pass, or it would be overturned if it did. But also, I don't think it'd be federal, I think it would have to go state-by-state.

Not only that, but there's always the internet. Just download the game.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Hey I didnt say it would pass, just surprised people arent trying especially Jack. :)

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

At elast tis subject matter(BEWBS!!) is more interesting than a few dozen modern games with poor gameplay I could mention...

 


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Having trouble typing and eating at the same time there?  ^^

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

ummm... actually as far as I understand, these are all real aspects of the game, right down to the abortion.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Well, usually game critics have a poor understanding of games; they tend to imagine games like Pac-Man or Space Invaders where the goal is to get a high score.  So, they state something like "players are rewarded by POINTS for doing bad stuff", such as GTA.

We know, because we play games, that very few games, especially sand-box games have a point system anymore.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I would love, LOVE, to make such a violent, pornographic or whatever game - with points. Then tie the point scoring to something completely unconnected to the violence or sex (how many times the player jumps for instance, or something equally stupid). Just for kicks, y'know?

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

In this one case, I'm gonna call the whole "points thing" not particularly relevant. sure there are no point system (revealing that we're dealing with self-important finger wagging old quacks)... but everything else is pretty relevant...

I mean, even GTA at it's worse, didn't allow you to stock, violate, and sexually assault anyone... so the whole "points for killing old ladies" didn't apply, cuz you neither gained points, nor did you have to necessarily target that ol' lady...

Rapelay, the whole point is to do all of the above... the stocking, impregnating, and potentially aborting. You can't play the game and not guide these acts...

My point isn't to bash the game... I'm just saying, despite being completely misguided, and criminally arrogant... these women for the most part have their facts straight... well... at least within an acceptable perameter... you know... for someone who doesn't live in the secular world.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Well...considering that it IS porn...

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I can also add that many Japanese Hentai games have only been Visual Novels. 

So there is NO point scoring system at all, only just picking your response to certain siturations in a story of what would you do (a, b or c) and it goes from there.

Kinda slow paced but if you like to take your time playing though the game from reading allot of text then it can be really enjoying.

 

Plus with some games, the Manga art are only just drawings and they don't animate at all.

They just post up a pic that displays the characters emotion and the background area.

It is all verry much a story driven game that is a Visual Novel.

 

TBoneTony

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I know, and that's why it sucks to be a gamer who likes Hentai games.

Everyone will attack you if you try to defend yourself. And if you ask them if they have played the game, they get offended for you making a stronger argument and proving them wrong.

 

Just like in the Mass Effect situration, like if anything, Videogame Companies should sign up for an premptive-slander protection that would sue anyone from political groups and news reporters from even taking the context of a Videogame out of line, like saying that a game awards points for violence and sex when there are no points earned.

 

And even a slander lawsuit when someone tries to say that a game contains pornagraphic rape when in reality there was no rape at all, I wonder how long it would be until the Videogame Companies gather together and try to fight back against all this missinformation.

 

Also for Japan, they get hard done by because not only because of Whaling (witch I don't agree with their policies but I also don't agree with what Greenpeace tries to do either) and now their adult Videogames are under attack too by people who don't understand them.

 

but I guess the best thing that anyone can do, is just to say that these game are ONLY avaliable commercially in Japan and online stores from Japan.

No one deserves this much negative attention. Not even Japan who have suffered enough from this sort of culture bashing.

 

 

TBoneTony

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

If it was my company and my game (I don't know how international law works concerning libel/slander, but if this was all in America), I'd sue for libel. She lied and made dangerous assumptions specifically to make this game/company look bad, speech that is not protected by the first amendment.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I would call those exagerated errors Political Hate Speech,

but then again under the 1st Admendment people can lie about anything and get away with it. Like Fox News and CNN for example. Even the Eagle Forum can lie about stuff and get away with it if no one catches them out.

That is why a gamer who is also well known in the media industry needs to ask these disgrunteled people if they have played the game yet, and really question what they have said about the game in question.

People deserve to hear both sides of the story even when one side does not want the other to have their time in front of the camera to explain in full detail why they are innocent.

 

TBoneTony

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

To be honest, I always hate political groups like these ones. Trying to impose opinions onto other people from other countries.

Hey, the world is not perfect. The world is not a Utopia.

Also women around the world are not always treated fairly by the male population.

But there is something good about games like RapeLay, at least they try to talk about serious issues in society in a fantasy videogame for adults to play.

But then again, perhaps it was not the best idea to make a game with the player as the rapist.

All I can say to these group of morons who never have played the game, STOP trying to blame videogames and focus all that negative attention on REAL rape, NOT FANTASY rape.

There...I guess I have said all I can say.

TBoneTony

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I agree. While I think rapists should have their nads whacked off with a rusty machete and no anesthetic, this is no different than another country where violence is more restricted in games (such as Germany or Australia) trying to force American publishers to stop putting shootings in their games for their home markets.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

How is it that these games exist in Japan, along with all the rape-based hentai?  Does Japan have different views on rape than the West?

I'm not a fan of the game, but anything that makes the hate-group known as American Feminism (like Equality Now) upset makes me happy. 

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

No, rape fantasy is pretty common in the west, but the west tend to be very ashamed of themselves so there is no way anyone would make it for fear of the backlash (look what happens when americans hear about it and its not even available there) and no one would buy it for fear of discovery.

I also don't like rape fantasy, but I neither like furries, BDSM or a huge array of other fetishes, just because I find them strange and unusual does not mean I should judge them as wrong, disgusting maybe but it just means its not my thing.

Just like because I really don't like the thought of engaging in gay sex does not mean I have a problem with those who do, its just not for me and those who condem peoples healthy but different fantasies may not realise it but you are following the same thought patterns as those who feel it is fine to ban gay relationships.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

You have to consider what "common" means to different people.  You can say that rape fantasy is "pretty common" in the West, but I would argue that it is not (nor is it particularly "common" in Japan, either).  Despite what some men want to believe, a very small percentage of women actually enjoy rape play as a form of sex play.  I don't remember the exact numbers, and frankly, every study tends to give a different figure.  But I beielve the average was less than 10%.  I certainly don't have any friends that enjoy rapeplay, so from my own perspective, it isn't "common."

On another issue (and because I don't want to start another post), there is a difference between real life rapeplay, and rape in porn.  In real life, no matter how much you protest or cry or scream, both of you know that it's actually consentual.  The very opposite of rape.  But in porn, even though the characters are fictional, their scripted motivations are more real than if you engaged in real life rape play.  In the context of the story, those characters are being raped.  Which makes the personal sensation of "pleasure" from the person watching it more real than if his girlfriend "agreed" to cry during consentual sex.

Sigh, reading my own post, I didn't explain that very well.  But in a psychological way, what happens in a fictional story can be more "real" than if real people were just pretending.  I don't know how to say that better, but anyone with a few college credits in PSY might understand.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Er...I've had several girlfriends say that they would try rape fantasies or bondage-type stuff, so I'd say that there's a line between a girl "enjoying" it and girls "trying it out" or "doing it because the other likes it/wants it." I'd say that higher than 10% are tolerant with it in their own sex lives with the right guy/girl...

Oh, and bullshit would rape porn be better than a rape fantasy! I'd have such a better sensation if I ever got the chance to test it out with my gf, because I'd take it as far as possible without actually hurting her/doing something she wasn't okay with. With games/movies, you're tied to a script. In real life, you're tied with the rope that is in my truck. =p

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"In the context of the story, those characters are being raped.  Which makes the personal sensation of 'pleasure' from the person watching it more real than if his girlfriend 'agreed' to cry during consentual sex."

You can either look at the pretend "reality" of the fictional story (a woman is being raped), or the reality itself (people are engaged in fantasy). In looking at only the first when considering the video game and looking only at the second when considering the play acting, you are in fact engaging in a dishonest comparison between the "realness" of the video game's fiction and the "fakeness" of pretending during play acting.

You can play armchair psychologist all you like, but so far you have presented nothing more than flawed logic as evidence of your claim.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I understand what are you telling me, but as I said, rape in porn is common in Japan, not on the USA, but still it exist here in America.

I know that very few woman enjoy porn. In Mexico is very rare to know a woman willing to watch porn with you (it´s a big no no).

We don´t produce porn (at least, not as USA) but still we have sexual crimes. In many villages on the south of Mexico, men sell their daughters for very little money or even for beer. I don´t think they have watched any anime or game to learn to do that.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

"but the west tend to be very ashamed of themselves"

So true, and I really wish people wouldn't be so ashamed of it. Try to break out of it. If my girlfriend wanted me to rape her, I would do it and love it!

Am I ashamed to say it? Fuck no. We need to break out of this sexual taboo that has gripped our culture for so long. There's already progress starting to happen, I think. The thing is though, you must employ responsibility in regards to sex. And often times, there's just not enough of that responsibility.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

100% agreed, nekowolf.

Rape fantasy is fun, as long as it remains just that. I've had several encounters with my girlfriend that involve rape fantasy or dominance and bondage/restriction. It is a lot of fun. She even had me "rape" her friend, who used to tell her all the time that she fantasized about it. There is something almost animalistic about it, as long as it is done responsibly and with everyone's consensus.

Even though I am too much of a softy to make it truly "Realistic," (Read - Brutal) it got everyone's heart pumping and was a TON of fun, and I am not ashamed to say it.

People need to loosen up and try new things. Who knows, maybe they might enjoy it.

 

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

as long as it is done responsibly and with everyone's consensus.

And that is why it has absolutely nothing to do with, and is no way comparable to ACTUAL rape.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Wow, way to take the "rape" out of rape, guys.

So, basically, as long as the topic doesn't concern rape AT ALL, it's okay?

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Yes. Sadism and violence in sex are very common on japanese sexual literature. But still we have Marques de Sade books about the same subject.

But not every hentai manga, anime or game is about rape. Many times can be about consensual sex (even with tentacles ^^)...

(how do I know about the subject so much? mmm... *runs away*)

 

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I recall this one cute consencaul one with tentacles, that was back when I was trolling for hentai though..

 


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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Well the tentacles are usually non-concensual tho, at least not untill they've been brainwashed by the amazing pleasure 8 tentacles can provide...   uhh ya, wait, i don't know much about that either, uhh, i better get back to work...

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Some tentacle hentai can be awesome. There, I said it. I love hentai and proud of it.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

"I love hentai and proud of it."

Yuri is the best for me. Something about lesbians really turns me on. Except when one or both girls has a dick. Sorry, but Futanari is a "no" for me.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Me too.

 

By the way i am writing tonight, I can say that I LOVE tentacle Hentai because that is FANTASY that you can't get in real life.

 

Plus I have a girlfriend who also loves it too. But she is only an online girlfriend who I have known for over 3 years now. But nothing more than that.

So yeah, I can be lucky to say that I do know a girl who does love the tentacles as much as I do, only thing is she is from half the world away.

 

But that is what is so special about the internet.

From where I live, I can't view that type of Hentai unless if I get it from the internet, plus I had been dreaming of that ever since I was a teenager way before I ever got the internet at home.

So I have loved the tentacles before I even knew it existed.

 

TBoneTony

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Uhm! Sorry to break it to you buddy, but an online girlfriend isn't considered a real girlfriend at all.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Uhm! But being an ass hat still makes you an ass hat, no matter what forum you happen to be using. That aside, I doubt he cares what your qualifications for having a girlfriend are.

 
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quiknkoldso in a change of subject to something much lighter, who here is getting the Amiibos? I have 4 preordered.10/21/2014 - 7:02am
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MechaCrashThey aren't being held accountable because *this is what GamerGate is really about.* Hatred and harassment under a thin veneer of concern for ethics; it's a rotten movement right down to the core. Related: http://tinyurl.com/o5mamgn10/21/2014 - 1:53am
 

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