Japanese Political Party Targets Rape Games

In the wake of the controversy generated by RapeLay, one of Japan’s political parties has issued a general condemnation against computer games featuring forced sex.

The news comes by way of erotic games site Sankaku Complex (NSFW):

Japan’s Koumeito party, long a member of the ruling coalition, has condemned adult games featuring sexual coercion and violence as being a highly negative influence on Japan’s tiny rates of sex crimes. They are calling for a ban or further restrictions on their sale.

GP: I’ll confess to having little knowledge of Japanese politics. Meanwhile, Sankaku Complex veers off into a rant, as one might expect for a site that supports such games, so I’ll just leave it there.

Via: Kotaku

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  1. 0
    XaGa says:

    You’re incorrect about your idea that "homicide is homicide". The legal system establishes many different kinds of homicide depending on intention, circumstance, accident, etc. Seriously, if "homicide is homicide", then there would be no need to have a term like "justifiable homicide" in the first place.

    Now in the moral/linguistic/cultural sense I believe that killing and murder are seperate things, but I was going under the assumption that we are talking in the legal sense of the words.

    Killing and murder are separate things in the legal sense too. If you’re fighting in self-defense and you kill your attacker, the law does not describe that killing as murder.

    Heck, if your attacker wasn’t even a human (say a rabid tiger), then your killing isn’t even homicide.

  2. 0
    XaGa says:

    You keep on confusing all sorts of different kinds of killing (manslaughter, self-defense, etc) with a very different and specific type of killing (murder).

    You say I’m being too literal about what "murder" means, but you’re deliberately ignoring a very clear, simple definition that pretty much all modern democratic societies agree on. It is strange to me that you’re choosing to ignore very well-established legal definitions, especially when the very nature of this site (gamePOLITICS) makes some measure of legal discussion inevitable.

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    NovaBlack says:

    um.. its not about being ‘far to literal’. There is only one definition of murder.

    Sorry to keep pointing this out i genuinely dont mean to be rude.

    But you cant say ‘not all  murder under this definition is a crime’, because by changing the definition you are talking arent talking about murder, your talking about something else.

    I think thats perhaps why people are confused, because your talking about something completely different, and then (for some reason that i havent yet figured out) calling it ”murder”. Then getting frustrated that people dont know your new definition youve just made up.

     

    and when you have killed someone over a robbery to feed your self or accidentally killed someone in a fit of rage its not always a punishable crime

    um.. but thats why we are getting confused. If you kill somebody in a fit of rage, or do so out of necessity (although the food example there wouldnt cut it in court) and that is accepted as a mitigating factor, then you havent commited ‘murder’ you’ve commited (e.g. here in the uk) ‘manslaughter’. Two Completely different crimes. Thats the thing peope are getting confused over. You seem to be referring to two completely different crimes as ‘murder’. Its the equivalent of me saying that punching someone is ‘murder’. Its not… Its ‘assault’ (here in the UK). different crimes..

  4. 0
    NovaBlack says:

    sorry.. i dont mean to be rude but im genuinely not nit picking..

    murder does NOT = where someone is killed by someone else accidentally or not

    I mean.. genuinely… if its accidental it 100% cannot be murder.

    murder requires intent.  If you intend it then it cant be accidental.

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    Brokenscope says:

    Are we speaking of murder in the legal sense? It has been my understanding that in the american legal system homicide is homicide, but in certain cases homicide is justifiable, thus "Justifiable Homicide".

    Now in the moral/linguistic/cultural sense I believe that killing and murder are seperate things, but I was going under the assumption that we are talking in the legal sense of the words.

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    ZippyDSMlee says:

    You are being far to literal with the meaning Murder=where someone is killed by someone else accidentally or not, not all  murder under this definition is a crime….. and when you have killed someone over a robbery to feed your self or accidentally killed someone in a fit of rage its not always a punishable crime. There are many more mitigating circumstances around death than rape. I am quit surprised that as smart as you are you can not see that.

     


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  7. 0
    ZippyDSMlee says:

    Your nit picking my words, Murder=where someone is killed by someone else accidentally or not, not all  murder is a crime…..

     

     


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    ShadowDragon28 says:

    We don’t know for sure what Dennis might by "the right thing." In that article he mentioned that the game is intended for the Japanese market only. We also found out later that the company behind the game does not sell their products outside Japan. "The right thing" here could very well possibly have been Amazon respecting the company’s policy and delisting the game.

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    XaGa says:

    Regarding the aggressors, only if they don’t have a very, very, very good reason for starting the war in the first place (mitigating circumstance). In more primitive times it was not uncommon for dire resource concerns coupled with no venues for peaceful negotiation to leave no choice but to invade one’s neighbors. These days it’s much harder to find solid justification to start a war. Not like that ever stopped some people…

    Furthermore, "war" covers all participants in the conflict. Soldiers who are clearly defending themselves from invading forces are not murderers, since their homicide is clearly justifiable as self-defense. Yet they are still participating in the war. Conversely, any soldier who intentionally kills agents who do not pose any credible threat (such as captured POWs or civilians) is a murderer. Of course, things get even more complicated when what exactly constitutes a "credible threat" is in doubt.

    So it’s inaccurate but not entirely wrong to equate war with murder. Rather, war contains many different homicidal acts, of which some will be murderous and some will not be. Which is why trying to analyze war crimes is so damn complicated. ;p

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    GoodRobotUs says:

    In all fairness to both sides, Dennis did mention something along those lines when he first reported it, but tended to back off from it later, however, my first response was pretty much the same until other people argued their points, and I too, despite finding the game highly distasteful, was forced to back off from my original argument a little.

    I’d hate to think of us all as Jack Thompsons’ totally unwilling to concede that we sometimes let our feelings cloud our judgement.

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    GoodRobotUs says:

    ____________________________________

    ‘There are no circumstances where murder is justified either. Murder is an explicitly unjustified, premediated act of killing, that’s why it’s called murder in the first place.’

    ____________________________________

    Well, I’m not picking sides, but so’s War 😉

  12. 0
    XaGa says:

    There are no circumstances where murder is justified either. Murder is an explicitly unjustified, premediated act of killing, that’s why it’s called murder in the first place.

    People have gotten so comfortable with violence that we confuse "justified homicide" with murder.  The comparison here is between two inherently unjustifiable acts (rape and murder), one sexual and one homicidal. Rape is an unjustifiable sexual act. Murder is an unjustifiable homicidal act.

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    Notebook says:

     Y’know, I never really seen Dennis actually say anything about banning the game in any of the articles he wrote about the game so far. Sure he has made it clear that he obviously doesn’t like the concept of the game, but certainly nothing about banning it.

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    NovaBlack says:

    its not about having an opinion…. thats nto the issue.

    EVERYONE is entitield to an opinion. personally i never want to play rapeplay, and i really couldnt ever find it enjoyable. Thats my opinion. BUT i recognise that i would be a hypocrite to claim games like GTA (featureing torture / mass murder) should be protected as free speech but this game should not purely because of my opinion (and not based on any factual evidence). I also recognise that all the arguments ive used to defend GTA (i.e. games do not cause violence in real life etc) apply equally to the crimes depicted in rapeplay.

    If ive sat and criticised JT for the EXACT SAME LOGIC (i.e. calling for a ban etc based on nothing but opinion, igoring the facts, and infringing on peoples rights) then how the heck can i turn around and do the EXACT SAME THING, and not be a hypocrite?

     

     

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    NovaBlack says:

    surely its eiter premeditated or its not, it cant be ‘more’ premeditated. By its very definition murder IS premeditated.

    As for mitigating circumstances….. no…

    If there are mitigating circumstances then the crime is manslaughter not murder.

    If its held as murder, then thats because there are no mitigating circumstances.

    murder (which by its definition is premeditated) is  black and white.. if not, then its manslaughter we are talking about. Different things.

     

    I have to 100000% agree with XaGa on this one im afraid.

     

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    ZippyDSMlee says:

    FYI Rape/Torture is worse than murder, with murder you have many more mitigating circumstances and its not always black and white rape however is torturous assault leaving the victim in endless suffering.

    Death however is a release sure others suffer from it but life is somehow able to move on rape however is a different matter, frankly I think people should get one big screw up with rape past that death should be used to remove them from society along with repeat killers.

     

    What I am getting at rape is more premeditated than murder and thus should be held in lower regard than murder so much so the death penalty should be used more.

     


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    XaGa says:

    I wouldn’t be so dismissive. Even now otaku are still a highly marginalized and stigmatized segment of Japan, an easy "soft target". It’s their expected place in Japanese society.

    Plus, the New Koumeito political party relies on "guaranteed" votes from the Soka Gakkai religious cult (this arrangement is a transparent sidestep of the Japanese laws that separate church and state). Otaku are not and never meaningfully figured into their political strategy.

    Japanese national politics is not at all like American national politics where two major political parties compete for as wide a demographic appeal as possible. Instead, there are many smaller political parties that in theory should be reflective the numerous interests of the people, but in practice engage in temporary alliances of convenience that make them operate like the shifting internal organs of a single monstrous political party.

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    TBoneTony says:

    Seriously, I think there will be allot of Otaku people in Japan that will never vote for this political party again.

    So in reality, these politicians will only hurt themselves in the process.

     

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    XaGa says:

    The effects of trauma and potential recovery depend on what ideas the victim has internalized as "true". One major reason why some victims don’t recover is because they’ve internalized the very misogynistic ideas I was decrying. Society’s expectation that women be forever "ruined" by rape and abuse is a disgusting self-fulfilling prophecy; the key to breaking that cycle is to expose that expectation as the falsehood it is, so that it will not be internalized as "true".

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    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    I think you are wrong. Many people believes that sexual violence can leave a person scared for life and not everybody can move on with their life after a traumatical event like that.

    It´s obvious that is not gonna be the same for every person, but I believe some situations are even worst than the death itself.

    Dead at least you don´t suffer anymore, but alive you can live always suffering.

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  21. 0
    XaGa says:

    /going to veer off into a bit of a rant here

    As horrible as rape is, it is not worse than murder.

    To say that rape is worse than murder is to tell every rape survivor that they are better off dead. It is to spit in the face of every counselor who helps victims overcome their trauma and return to normal life. It is to perpetuate the misogynistic, patriarchal idea that a woman’s worth is defined by her sexual treatment.

    Rape and sexual abuse can never erase the inherent worth and dignity of any human’s life. Anyone who believes "rape is worse than murder" is at best a misguided fool, and at worst a part of the problem.

    /rant veered

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    mechwarrior says:

    People are being a bit disingenious. While ultra-violence like MadWorld is fine, and in fact doesnt harm the players (who are usually of a sane mind), the same cant be said about games that have sexual violence?

    Why?

    As a note, Japan has one of the worlds lowest (reported) rape per capita. Though, some would say its woefully under-reported, no one can say that its any higher than United States.

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    hayabusa75 says:

    No, he really can’t, it seems.  And with every successive article on Rapelay, more and more posters are noticing.

    "De minimus non curat lex"

  24. 0
    Tammej says:

    Oh my god. Rape porn. That’s so utterly …. normal. It’s about every other guys and gals favourite fantasy. 

    Yes by all means. Destroy. Maim. Grind them dirty hentai people into oblivion. How dare they enjoy fantasies as lewd as raping or being raped! That’s just too normal!

  25. 0
    Wormdundee says:

     You just can’t help yourself can you Dennis? I was at the end of the article, and I hadn’t seen anything hypocritical yet. I thought, "Yes, for once he has not snuck in a snide remark at anime porn games!" And then, there it was, right at the end. You gave me hope Dennis, only to shatter it.

    As for the actual story, another call for banning eh? Doesn’t Japan have something like a 1.7/100,000 people rape rate? Obviously, it’s underreported, just like everywhere else, but I doubt it’s as high as Canada or Australia. It’s a bit tiring trotting out the same arguments against their ridiculous claims everytime, so if you’re interested go read my posts on previous RapeLay articles.

  26. 0
    LujanD says:

    "Meanwhile, Sankaku Complex veers off into a rant, as one might expect for a site that supports such games, so I’ll just leave it there."

     

    Their so-called "rant" read similarly to another journalist’s I seem to recall…

    Now, what was his name again… Dennis McCauley, I believe? 😛

  27. 0
    Dante says:

    "Meanwhile, Sankaku Complex veers off into a rant, as one might expect for a site that supports such games, so I’ll just leave it there."

    since when did rape become worse virtual crime than mass murder?

     

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    Father Time says:

    Methinks they are just jumping on the bandwagon and won’t actually do anything, and when this controversy dies down (wish it should have by now) they won’t bother mentioning it again

    —————————————————-

    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    GoodRobotUs says:

    As an abstract thought, it would be interesting to see the impact of banning such games in Japan on the rate of sexual offences. I actually have a sneaking suspicion it would go up, not down.

    Of course, in practice, such research wouldn’t be worth the human cost, but it does make an interesting thought experiment.

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    Sukasa says:

    I just find it interesting in that all the people who protest Rapelay, they easily forget that the guy who commits the rapes appears to die at the end.  What a great way to win a game and I love how they keep talking about "points".  The hypothesis that games such as Rapelay and the rest is gonna produce sexual offenders is about as silly as the people saying violent video games will produce killers.  I’ve been playing the new Riddick Dark Athena game lately…I all of sudden do not have a desire to hide in the shadows(or shoot our lights) and jump up, grab someone walking by and stab them to death and move on to the next shadow.  I likewise don’t have a tendancy to run around attempting to cast Blessing of Kings on everyone in my group or raid.  Less there are some nuts who probably think to emulate some character on game, however would they not be considered nuts already?  Go visit the website Townhall, and you will see posters there reguarly calling for all non-christian, non-patriotic Americans(using their definition of what an Ameircan is) to be killed or worse and they probably have never touched a video game intheir life.

  31. 0
    ZippyDSMlee says:

    You have a choice as a society either you kill off the harden criminals so you have room and money to manage the non harden ones or you slap them on the wrist and randomly let them back out in society where they can pray upon innocents, there is no perfect solution but when it comes to repeat offender’s of rape and murder whatever rights you have are waved for the greater good of society. That and perhaps forcing  politicians to have open tot eh public records on everything they have are the only heavy rights dcking I would agree with.

     


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    catboy_j says:

    Ahem. Kill the evil people… I wonder how many seconds it would take for me to conjure up a 50 point list on what’s wrong with that.

  33. 0
    ZippyDSMlee says:

    No doubt that its artificially low due to cultural issues they have yet to deal with, however you knock it up(bah pun) 30-60% and it still hovers around to what say the US has on a per capita basis it makes it kinda moot, you just can’t get to effect the mass public in that way.

    The trouble is as it always has been you have the corrupt upper echolens of society enforcing rules that do nothing but allow them to spin information and say its working and then theres the typical illogical moralistic drive to protect that appearance of backasswardness.

    Rape and other crimes have always been with human society they only appear more flagrant today due to 24 hour news cycles, are things worse, perhaps becuse we as modern societies refuse to deal with evil people in a permanent manner we allow alot more recycling of crime via repeat offenders.

    We need to offer little wiggle room for rape, if its under 12 thats a automatic life sentence, if tis more than one death, if its more than 1-3 adult rapes death, murders are far easier to comprehend and mitigate tho I would side on death for flagrant killers, you can’t allow all evil people to live their sickness will damage us all, just as the weak die in nature we need as a society to make evil weak by sacrificing it for the greater good. .

     

    Would also like death for soem white collar crime…. he he he


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  34. 0
    Dragoon1376 says:

    If you support one, do you automatically have to support the other?  Is Dennis required to be an absolutist on his stance even though he obviously finds games like RapeLay distasteful? 

    Now, I can hardly pretend to speak for Dennis.  Hell, I’ve voiced my annoyance with him omitting or emphasizing political leanings of the various anti-game legislation sponsors.  But, and it’s a big BUT, he is also human and is allowed his individual biases.  I expect him to try to adhere to his standards but understand that such perfection is unattainable.

    We can look at this dispassionately and say that GP and its tendency to refute the influence of violent video games like GTA on people reflecting the norms of a Western predominately American centric perspective.  We tend to allow a lot more violence, bloody violence at that, to be a part of our entertainment.  Look at Hostel and Saw movie franchises.  We also tend to have an aversion to things as they relate to sexuality because of its absence in the public eye.  The Asian perspective can be viewed as a reversal of the American perspective.   

    Is it hypocritical? To a degree, it is but that’s also from an absolutist position.  But we have also discovered where Dennis has drawn his line on this issue and I really can’t fault him for having an averse reaction to a distasteful game. 

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  35. 0
    4nBlue says:

    Thank you for writing the post I was planning to write. I just can’t understand why every article about Rapelay has to include a comment, that makes it very clear that GP does not like Rapelay.

    I have not played Rapelay and I don’t plan to, but I have played several games with great plots that also involved some amount of rape and would be sad to see them banned or restricted. I can’t undertand how the goverment would restrict the sales any more when most of stores that sell 18+ games are specialty stores for 18+ games or place the games in the same floor together with rest of the 18+ stuff. You just run in to these if you are not in Akihabara and can’t read any Japanese.

  36. 0
    NovaBlack says:

    as one might expect for a site that supports such games

    um.. doesnt this site support the right to play games exhibiting mass murder like GTA?

    Im shocked and appalled to be honest that you would generalise and be so prejudiced against a site purely because it supports certain games.

    So jack thompson is right when he generalises against GP and its users?

    No? Whats the difference then? because im having a hard time pinning it down. I mean if somebody wants to educate me then please do, id love to be able to get my head around it, but at the moment i just cant help but feel that its hypocritical.

     

     

     

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    Neeneko says:

    If one defends against an argument, then uses that same argument against others, it gives me the impression that no, the person does not really believe in that defense but instead is just using it to defend the specific things that they care about.

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    prh99 says:

    I am wondering if GP really believes the defenses for violent content it’s posted in the past. Why is rape suddenly beyond the pale for game violence, or am I reading too much into GP’s coverage of RapeLay?

  39. 0
    Neeneko says:

    While I support the existance of the game (and ones like it), I am uncomfortable with the rape statistics that keep getting trotted out.

    From talking to people I’ve known in Japan, I’ve gotten the distinict impression that rape is a massivly unerrated crime in that country and thus the numbers are artificially low.  Now, where they actually stand in relation to other countries I am not sure.

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    ZippyDSMlee says:

    Key words to ignore or dismiss the logic and reason behind anything.

     

    political, party, target, warn, ban, limit.
    ——
    I’ll say it again they have or at least had a lower per capita rape number compared to any modern nation hell Canada is far higher and they have stricter standards, fiction is not the cause of crime at any level, fiction is a release you remove that from your adult population and slowly they will stagnant taking out their pent up issues on each other.

    ——

    GP: Ho ho you peruse Sankaku Complex as well?

    Its the anime/game equivalent of maxmin crossed with the dailymail only theres little censorship on anything and considering the content its intelligently done as well.



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  41. 0
    Neo_DrKefka says:

    Thanks Gamepolitics and everyone else, if it weren’t for you I would have never heard of Rapelay which led me to get the game and other illusion products like Sexy Beach 3!

  42. 0
    NovaBlack says:

    10000% agreed.

    I personally have no desire to play these kind of games. But i understand that it harms NOBODY, and i dont have ANY right to stop anyone else playing it. I understand i have the right to NOT BUY IT if i dont want it. Simple. Totally agree about the hypocracy when apparently GTA (and mass murder / torture) is acceptable and should be protected yet this shouldnt. If the only reason somebody has for such logic is ‘because thats just how they feel’, with no factual reasoning behind it, then they are a hypocrite. simple.

  43. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    Nice throw-in at the end there, Dennis.

    It’s porn. It’s just a cheap porn game with a story thrown in, much like anything that can be found online or anything else for that matter. There is no actual rape, and no one is actually harmed. There is no reason to call for this ban, and I completely support the right to make games like this. Whether or not I support the making of these games is irrelevant. We should have the right and ability to play and make any sort of game or enjoy other forms of entertainment, porn or not.

    The point of games (and porn) is to do something that you can’t normally do. It’s for entertainment. I can’t rape people in real life because it is immoral (and an extreme infringement on other peoples’ rights), and so if I wish to simulate it to a degree, my options are having a real-life partner that will try it as a roleplay (it’s hard enough to get a girlfriend, let alone one that’ll try it out) or play a game with it. Without an outlet for sexual fervor…someone without as much control as me might eventually turn to something truly sick and twisted. Likewise, sometimes I go on fun killing sprees in GTA and other sandbox games just because it can be fun to blow up everything once in awhile.

    If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Keep it away from your kids if you want. DON’T tell someone ELSE what THEY should look at, otherwise you are a hypocrite. A hypocrite for wanting to make people "safer" and by protecting rights, while taking away free speech.

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  44. 0
    XaGa says:

    You’re right, gamers don’t give a damn. We didn’t give a damn for years, as rightly befit such an obscure niche game.

    The problem here is that the politicians are suddenly giving a damn, complete with full-blown threats of censorship.

    Old chinese curse: "May you gain the attention of those in high positions of power".

  45. 0
    SilverMelee says:

    I personally have to wonder how many gamers really give a damn about an obscure Japanese porn game? I’m amazed this whole controversy has gone as far as it has.

    Honestly, if I wanted to play a porn game, I’ll just find one on Newgrounds or something. At least those are free.

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  46. 0
    XaGa says:

    In the USA the right-wing Christian fundamentalists hijacked the Republican party and used it to advance their religious agenda, with disastrous results for the nation.

    Similarly, in Japan the Soka Gakkai Buddhist cult is using the Koumeito party to push their religious agenda. There’s a lot of dirty business behind their rise to power, and it stands to pose as much a threat to Japan’s future as the rise of Christian fundamentalist politics did (and still does) to the USA.

  47. 0
    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    They are calling for a ban or further restrictions on their sale.

    They are already restricted for +18. Looks like japanese politicians are suffering a case of "moral panic" because some people on NY don´t understand that kind of games are created just for japanese market, let alone they took like 4 years on discover that game.

    I neither like rape in my porn, but just because you ban rape-porn fantasy from the shelves, it doesn´t mean that rape is magically gonna a dissapear from the radar.

    Sadism is part of the sex culture in Japan and on many other cultures. But fiction and porn are not the reason of sexual violence.

     

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