E3 Travel Day

June 1, 2009 -

Posting will be a bit light today as I am traveling from Philly to L.A. for E3...


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I have it worse than not going, I live near L.A. and I've been to the L.A. convention center a couple of times and I can't come to E3 because I don't have an invite.

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Once again it's the old patented "You can't come" method.

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Well, we could all have a party at a strip club with 'booth babes' and tell the E3 guys that they can't attend. 

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Are you planning on torturing yourself by attending the Nintendo show?  I'm sure it will be crap like "Baby Partyz 2" or "Yet more fucking Wii sports".  The Wii really could have been something.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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Or Crap like Muramasa: Demon Blade, Deadly Creatures, The Conduit, Mario Galaxy, Mad World, No More Heroes, Metroid Prime, Indiana jones and the Staff of Kings, Ghostbusters, etc.

Oh wait... There is good stuff for the Wii that is not party or casual games.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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Uh-huh.  Anyways I WAS a Wii owner.  I'm not saying that there isn't some stuff on the Wii which could be tolerable.  But really after you strip away the Nintendo owned properties, Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc and look for some good 3rd party titles the Wii comes up VERY short.  So what would your list there of nearly everything tolerable on that system without the 1st party titles?

Yeah I thought so.

And what was Nintendo's 2008 E3 lineup again?  Yeah, mainly some gimped version of Harvest Moon if I recall.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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I have a question.  Why is it a requirement to strip away 1st party titles when talking about good games for the Wii?  If they are good games they are good games, regardless of who developed them.

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Exactly. has done nothing but bash the wii on this thread, and try to make sad counter points to make us wii owners look bad.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

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Actually no.  All I've said is that the average review ratings of the Wii are lower than that of the PS3 or 360.  A point which no one has bothered to try and disprove.  Probably because, you know, they can't.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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You may be 100% correct, I have never really compared the review ratings.

My question to you, then, is how do the ratings matter?  Do you enjoy a game less if you find out it has a poor rating, or more if you find it has a good rating?

And the average of review ratings?  How does that factor in?  If you have one awesome game, and a thousand bad ones, that one awesome game is still awesome, and is not diminshed by its lesser bretheren.

Now I'm not arguing that the Wii has a plethora of great games.  They have a few which I really enjoy, which is enough for me, especially in light of how inexpensive the Wii is.  And those few are not made any less great by the slew of casual games being churned out as money makers, and lowering the 'average' score..

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"My question to you, then, is how do the ratings matter?  Do you enjoy a game less if you find out it has a poor rating, or more if you find it has a good rating?"

Sort of.  If a game has a good rating I will give it a go and make my decision from there.  If a game has a poor rating I likely won't give it the time of day.  I was really interested in Legendary until the pathetic review scores started rolling in.  I never gave it a go after reading those.

But still the point remains that the Wii has the fewest amount of well reviewed, and the most amount of poorly reviewed games on average when compared to the other two systems, and that isn't my opinion.

Does the Wii have some good games?  Of course.  But Nintendo didn't do themselves any favors last E3 with trying to push the shovelware crap that they did.  Ergo, my original statement that it would be hell for Dennis to have to sit and watch Miyamoto swing around a Wiimote like a spaz while playing Nintendogs 2 or the like.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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No, CMinor. The problem is not that there are no good games for the Wii. The problem is that these "hardcore" gamers actually have to work for their games. They got so used to being fed games on a silver platter that they constantly complain when they have to do all the work of gathering said games themselves.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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Im not gonna disprove you because i don;t give a damn what metactirs or anyother game raking sites states. Im glad to have a have wii and im not gonna regret just because you won't stop talking what website says.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

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You do realize that only two of the games I listed were developed and/or published by Nintendo don't you?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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yes, you just named some very good games on the wii. Only problem is that your list actually includes EVERY SINGLE good game on the entire platform's library. So i stand by anyone's anti-wii sentiments... 

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Actually, that was just off the top of my head. If I actually wanted to research the topic of good/great games on the Wii, I could come up with more.

Also, as much as I hate Metacritic, there are a vast number of top scoring games for the Wii that do not fall into the casual/party genre:

http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/

Some of which you wil lneed to delve into Wiiware for.

But I guess if your gaming library consists of FPS, Sports, Brawlers etc, yeah teh Wii may not be for you.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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Then you will be able to accomplish something that game reviewers cannot.  When the Wii is compared percentage wise to the PS3 or 360 it is seriously lacking in AAA titles.  How will you try to put a positive spin on that I wonder?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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Well the ps2 also had it fair share of shovelware and it was the top dog of last gen.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

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But it also had a large amount of good games with good ratings to back it up.  Seriously, I'm not making this stuff up.  Check out metacritic and see for yourselves.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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You may let a website tell you what good gaming system is but im not gonna let metacritic tell me what to do.

FYI I also have a 360 and a pc so i do have other ways to play games.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

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Many people don't.  Hence the "success" of the Wii.  Despite the their games generall review as well as the movie Gili, they sell like crack.  But when it came down to it I didn't let metacritic make the decision to sell my Wii for a PS3.  It was the fact that I couldn't find any games to buy that I was interested in, nor could I name any games that were coming out that I was looking forward to for said system.  So I sold it.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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I can't help but realize that you have yet to respond to the fact that the list of games I gave only contained 2 Nintendo brand games in it. I think you are only justifying your ignorance.

The only reason that the Wii lacks good quality 3rd party games is because 3rd party devs thought it was a joke at release. Then when the Wii started selling by the truck loads, they shifted all available resources to it and produced a bunch of cash grabbing trash.

Had they been better prepared and more willing, they would have produced more quality games in the eary years of the system's life cycle. But this year has many high quality 3rd party titles coming out. More will come out in the following years. So for "hardcore" gamers, such as yourself, now is really the time to own one.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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http://news.softpedia.com/news/Only-4-Percent-of-Wii-Games-Are-Actually-...

 

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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Oh no I guess I better feel bad about myself having a wii because of that article..... NOT!

So you sold your wii because of shovelware, good for you. I myself will be willing to dig through all that just to find me a gem that'll please me for a long time. Oh Punch Out here I come!

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

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I thought like you for a while.  But then I realized that one or two "gems" wasn't enough to justify owning a system for me.  Then after a period of like 3 or more months where I didn't even turn on the system to play said "gems" I knew it was time to turn it in.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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I play games on average 2-4 hours a week. Half of that is with a family member. So the Wii and their few "gems" fits my gaming schedule quite nicely.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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And I can't help but realize that you have yet to respond to the fact that it is a provable fact that when you compare the three systems that the Wii falls rather short in average score ratings.  I also can't help but laugh at the fact that four of the games you mentioned aren't even out yet.  So it really seems to me as though you are just grasping at straws to justify the sytem.  Otherwise if it was a solid system just as the other two you would be able to name as many AAA games that are already out, have reviewed well, and in equal numbers to the other two systems.

And yet still when I look at the game selection on the wall at Gamestop for the Wii there is nothing which has grabbed my interest.

And mark my word, this Wii E3 showing will be no different than last years.  The only things you will see will be cheap shovelware (as last year) that appeal to the 1-9, and 70+ age demographics.

EDIT: So lets prune your list a little.  First off lets get rid of the first party titles.  So metroid and mario galaxy is out.  After that lets get rid of the games that aren't out yet.  The Coundit, Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones and Demon Blade are out.  Then get rid of the games which got lukewarm reviews, Deadly Creatures is out.  That leaves No More Heroes and Mad World.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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Like I said, that list was off the top of my head.

Now, let me ask you something. If the Wii is so barren when it comes to high scoring AAA titles, why in the world is it selling more systems than the PS3 and 360 combined most months? Any month it doesn't sell more than both combined it still sells more than the other systems on their own.

The answer is that most people who own a Wii care little for such things as Metacritic scores and AAA status. They just want a fun experience. So what if said fun experience is not the same as what you call a fun experience.So why would it matter that some review site gave Deadly Creatures a 70% or something? The game is still fun and people still buy it.

Let me ask you another question. Which rating sells the most each Year? Answer: E followed by T. When you take all games from each rating and combine them, M rated games (the rating that most AAA game fall into) only make up less than 15% of all game sales each year. So which rating has the most pressense on the Wii? E.

When one looks at total game sales and avoids the cod piece of attach rates, the Wii sells more software than the either the PS3 or 360. Just because those sales are not for a handful of games makes little difference. The fact is, people who own Wiis buy games. They just aren't the same type of games you buy.

Hey, but if you want to measure your penis using average review scores and attach rates, then by all means go on. Just don't expect Nintendo and all the Millions of happy Wii owners to participate. And don't feel bad when they tell you to stop flashing yourself at them. Its not that they aren't happy that you are so well endowed, its that they just don't care.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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"If the Wii is so barren when it comes to high scoring AAA titles, why in the world is it selling more systems than the PS3 and 360 combined most months?"

I never said that it wasn't selling.  I am aware of it's financial domination.  But the answer is simple: People who never owned or even thought about owning a video game system are getting into the Wii.  Grandmas and soccer moms.  Hell my brother owns a Wii and he lost intrest in video games after the NES.

As far as all of your other stuff that you mentioned: Sorry, but opinions are not applicable.  So you and other people don't care what reviewers thing.  Whatever floats your boat.  Buy a Wii, buy 40 Wiis, I'm not telling you to not buy games for it.  For all I care you can sell your grandmother into slavery to buy Wii Tennis.

But when you look at the facts of the matter and you do take a hard look and compare average reviews it isn't hard to see where the Wii is lacking.

And to my original point about the Nintendo keynote being tortourous crap: Nintendo themselves admitted they dropped the ball last year.  So if you are going to be a fanboy then at least be a good fanboy and listen to what your company themselves said.

But really GAMERS don't care about the Wii's sales figures.  If you are looking for someone waving around an E-Peen why don't you look in your own E-mirror.  Yeah, the Wii sells a shitload of games.  So what?  Do I care if "Imagine: Babies" sell a shitload of copies? Nope.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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The reason the Wii sells so well is that its cheap and geared towards people who don't know what a good game is.  The Wii has also inflated its software selling numbers by forcing you to purchase Wii Sports with any new Wii Controller, which only inflated it by what, 10 million or so?  Honestly, I regret purchasing my Wii, but I never play it; my wife does. 

Also, Wii's online is just fucking terrible.  I know, you get what you pay for, and I said that for the PS3 too, but the Wii's takes it a step further.

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I wouldn't say that it is geared toward people who don't know what a good game is. That would be the mass amounts of shovelware developers and their mentality.

Also, I think you mean Wii Play. Wii Sports comes with the system and does not count toward games sales outside Japan where it is not bundled. Next, no one forces you to buy Wii Play. Ever since the Wii was released, there have been Wii Remotes available without bundled software for $40 along side the Wii Play bundle for $50. you had a choice to buy it or not. Next, even without Wii Play, the Wii still sells more software than either the PS3 or 360.

Finally, it would seem that Nintendo saw little value in allowing people to show off the size of their digital penis (achievents) nor in allowing random 12 year-olds to yell racists and homophobic slurs at one anther.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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Don't forget this is E3. Nintendo will defenitly announce some new and excellent games.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

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That may not be the case.  Bear in mind that last year Nintendo themselves admitted that their E3 showing was a failure.  I don't see that the system has changed gears at all in the last year, so there is no reason to expect anything different.

But ultimately they don't care, nor should they.  Despite the fact that on average their games get lower scores than the PS3 or 360 they can't keep their garbage on the shelves.  So really there is no imperative for them to put forth quality, when they can make more money with crap.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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Just because last year was crap doesn't mean this year will be.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

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But at least I am basing my assumptions off of past history.  You yourself are making an assumption that it will be good.  But as far as I can tell you aren't basing it on anything other than "glass is half full" garbage.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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I'm with Erik, the wii has had a particularly craptacular lineup, and it isn't changing at all.  No good shooters, very few good third party games that I can't get on a different, better system, and motion sensitivity that is, simply put, bullshit (although they may address that this year, apparently, with an add-on for your controller that costs more of the $$$ that Nintendo craves).  Hell, I'm even burning out on the DS, I haven't seen a lot of good NEW titles for it in a while.  Sure, Chrono Trigger is ALWAYS fun, but a lot of the other games?  Not so much.  Their Wii titles are, as I mentioned earlier, crap, most of which seems to be of the 'ooh, flashing colors and poor control scheme' genre.  Where are the great RPGs that Nintendo was once known for?  Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicels?  Bullshit.  How about some good shooters?  Oh wait, Conduit, but it looks like shit.  When I can fit the whole lineup of good Wii games on a small shelf in my entertainment center, you know there's something wrong; I have more good Super Nintendo games than good Wii games!

I'm more excited to hear what Konami's going to be doing with Metal Gear Solid.  I want to know who 5 will revolve around, and if we'll have more fantastic camo action.  I could really go for another round of MGS3 style 'find camo, wear camo, blend in' action.  Also, I already know it's not revolving around Raiden.  Another Big Boss game, God willing.

Also, Modern Warfare 2, Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising, and ArmA 2.  Plus whatever other awesome games are announced.

 

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Must be nice.   Travel safe and have fun

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TAKE ME WITH YOU!!!!!!!!  ;)

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Hope to see you at the Video Games Live Concert on Thursday!

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Lucky Bastard.

Best of luck to you.

 

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I wish you the best of luck on your road trip from Phili to L.A.

 

I am not sure how big the USA is, but I have traveled from Melbourne to the Gold Coast in Australia and it took over 2 days straight on bus travel so my guess that the the USA is allot more bigger.

 

Hope to hear some news from E3.

 

And drive safely if you are driving all that way.

TBoneTony

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He is most likely flying, so it will be much faster than traveling by bus or car. But as for distance wise, 2-3 days sounds about right for a trip from Philly to LA in a car.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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I was wondering yester day, "i wonder if he gets to go to E3"

now i know, and will hate you for it ;)

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Yeah, E3 is an invitation only event and it would be bad PR to fail to invite one of the ESA's strongest critics.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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Yeah, but how many of the ESA's STRONGEST critics get invited? :D

 - Warren

Edit: Strongest, not biggest.

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Best of luck on your trip!

 - Warren

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