Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

June 8, 2009 -

There is, apparently, a consumer protest of sorts bubbling up around Valve's E3 announcement of Left 4 Dead 2.

A user group which opened within the last few days on Valve's Steam Community is actively calling for a boycott of the game and has nearly 17,000 members as I write this.

So, what are the protesters griping about? Via Videogames Republic, here's the list:

  • Significant content for L4D1 was promised, and never delivered
  • Valve put little faith in L4D1 since they almost certainly started working on L4D2 right after release
  • The fact that L4D2 is nearly identical to L4D1 will decimate the community for both games
  • The announced date is not nearly enough time to polish content or make significant gameplay changes
  • The new character designs seem bland and unappealing so far
  • L4D2 is too bright to fit in with L4D1’s visual aesthetic
  • The fiddle-based horde music is extremely disliked, though the differently orchestrated music is otherwise welcome
  • L4D2’s release will result in a drop in quality and frequency for L4D1 content, even compared to before
  • The community has lost faith in Valve’s former reputation for commitment to their games post-release

The group also has requests:

  • That Valve honor its commitment to release ongoing periodic content for Left 4 Dead.
  • That Left 4 Dead 2 not be released as a stand-alone, full-priced sequel but as either a free update to Left 4 Dead or an expansion with full compatibility with basic Left 4 Dead owners.
  • That Left 4 Dead owners be given discounts for Left 4 Dead 2, should it be released as premium content.
     

GP: To be honest, after EA's phony Dante's Inferno protest last week, I'm a but gunshy about declaring this one genuine and not another case of viral marketing. I'd like to hear more...


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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

They said it was a sequel.  They never said they were charging for it.

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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

ALL A BUNCH OF PUSSY WHINERS!

there i got that out of the way.  let me elaborate.  Valve has given you more free content in updates than any other company.  if they were dlc they'd cost a helluva lot of money.  so what if they release L4D2 so soon, i'm sure they are gonna support it and L4D.  i thought you all whiners were complaining about the lack of "content".  well they're gonna make a whole new game.  frankly the only reason you are complaining is because you are spoiled by valve.  I for one don't take them for granted, and am extremely thankufl for their support of their games.  They never dissapoint,  they didn't for L4D and they won't with L4D2.

You all think its gonna be a quick cash-in, let me promise it won't be, they are probably working their arses off on making this a great sequel, and i have trust in Valve.  They rarely fail, and they will make sure L4D2 is worth 50 bucks.  L4D is definately worth 50 bucks, especially with survival and versus modse.  no doubt L4D2 will be worth 50 bucks.

 

And if valve is trying to rape us for money, hey i decided a long time ago that they're free to do that, they have given us so much already.  they can have my babies if they want to. 

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

If they cut the price in half for L4D owners, I think I could deal with that.

Option 2 however, is much better in my mind. Make all the original game's content compatible with the second game.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FIX THE SDK.

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

I'll probably buy L4D2, but I don't expect it will be better than L4D1.  After about a week I'll probably be back playing the classic L4D1 and still hoping for the expansion pack they promised us.  Unfortunately, if L4D2 is released and if it is a let-down, the likelihood is that there will be no expansion pack for either title.  If that happens, instead of being a cash cow franchise for the developers, the game will lose players' interest and become just another flash in the pan.

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

People bought L4D based on a longstanding reputation established by valve with the half life, counter strike, team fortress 2, etc. Excellent value for the dollar, a key point in any marketing plan, any company releasing L4D would not have gotten the sales valve did, but Valve has a high reputation which created high expectations.

Now that thats out of the way, a large reason for this anger is because they started working on L4D2 IMMEDIATLY after L4D, which leaves people betrayed, as in "you never planned to release shit for us?! You went straight to #2! The new changes to the game are welcome, but what is disliked is that its not a radical change from the FIRST game, some new weapons, new guns, new maps, people expected this on initially buying the game, and did not recieve it. Also the visual aesthetic of the game relies heavily on the fact that L4D is a cliche of every zombie movie ever, travelling at night, dont seperate the group, cheesy comments, genre savvyness, etc. When you supplement it all with everything in the daytime, it makes zombies easy to spot... and less scary.

Also, the complaint about the music is ONLY in regards to the fiddle horde music, everything else is fine and appreciated. I have no commentary on the characters, and I plan to play the gambling man in the white coat with a frying pan, and charge headfirst against a tank with it, so there.

Finally, the big reason for this anger is this kind of 1 year release is not at all like valve, who support their games for long periods of time, people bought the game assuming it would get the same treatment, and are complaining when this level of trust is broken. Yes, Valve is right to want to earn money, but it takes years to build a good reputation, and only one flop to ruin it, and right now this is looking like a big flop on Valve's record.

Edit: As a final note, personally I feel offended by L4D2 because it feels like L4D is a glorified beta that I paid 50 dollars for, where they could test some stuff, and then create a newer, better game from my feedback... and charging me another 50 dollars for the finished product. Oh yes the game is polished and shiney and it was amazingly fun, nonetheless, I expected support, updates, a new campaign, etc from Valve, as I bought the game aware it was incomplete, and even though now its "technically" complete with all 4 maps available as Versus, that kind of minimalist attitude just doesnt jive with the kind of image they have presented up to this point.

I have no problems paying for L4D2, but if they wanted me to pay 50 dollars for their glorified beta so that they could double charge me for the final released product, I say no, and will not be purchasing it without a 50% discount at least. I am sure the game will be amazing, and it looked amazing, but these are my principles, and I want to hold Valve accountable to their own reputation.

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

Absolute careface.

Holy shit, Valve didn't give you something they promised because they realized it would be an unwise decision on there part? Well AWE MUFFIN, I sure feel sorry for you. How dare they do that to you and your sensibilites. You have it so rough don't you?

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

It's never been about sensibilities.

It's about my $50.

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

Are they pulling L4D off of steam so no one can play it anymore? I wasn't aware of that!

If not... why are you talking about $50 for? I'm confused?

Do you think Valve owes you or something? Nah, can't be something that ridiciolous.
 

You let me know, okay champ?

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

While I don't agree with every point, I certainly signed up.

You people trolling those who think this game is too soon seem to think every supporter of the boycott also supports every point made by the originator (who seems to have written his complaints way too hastily in order to gain ground faster). Those are not the opinions of most of those who signed this.

Too bad this poorly made list represents the most recognized and joined boycott group for this game. Sadly that will make less people take it seriously.

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

While I haven't played L4D yet, I know a lot of people who bought the game for the downloadable content, only to be denied that privliage with L4D2.  If they advertised this, then they need to deliver.  Delivering L4D2 in an expantion pack, or giving L4D1 owners a discount are both sutable ideas, and not impossible, especaly for Valve.

This all reminds me of the whole controversy surounding the Orange Box release with HalfLife 2ep1.  Eventualy Valve worked out a compromise.  There is no doubt Valve will find a way to do the same for L4D gammers

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

This is not at all viral marketing. Man, once bitten twice shy? Anyway, all you have to do is go to any forum that has any connection to gaming and you'll see people crying about L4D2.

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

I can understand some of the complaints, such as the promised content that Valve promised and never delivered, but most are just "waah, I don't wanna!" complaints.  How the hell do they know that the amount of time between now and the release date is not enough time to polish the game?  How do they know that?  I saw a gameplay video of L4D2 last night, and it's looking great.  Plus, they allege that Valve has been working on this since they've been worked on the first L4D, so, obviously, they have had time to work and polish on the game.

There are also the complaints regarding the characters and the setting.  How are these new characters bland and the characters from the first game not bland and unimaginative?  If anything, the footbal coach and the gambler guy look a lot more interesting than either Bill or Francis.  Plus, the characters fit into the new setting, as do the characters from the first game.  That really is a matter of opinion, and they shouldn't bitch that Valve dropped the ball on that.  And I don't know about anybody else, but it would get kinda tiresome if all the levels and games took place at night.  The change of setting and time of day looks actually like a refreshment from the typical gloomy rainy night of most horror games.

Oh, and they have lost faith in Valve after Valve has given them a ton of freebies and updates in their games throughout the years?  I don't know, but a lot of this is mostly whiny than actual legitimate complaints, but that's my opinion.

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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

"How the hell do they know that the amount of time between now and the release date is not enough time to polish the game?....Plus, they allege that Valve has been working on this since they've been worked on the first L4D, so, obviously, they have had time to work and polish on the game."

   Even if they started on L4D2 right after L4D1, That would only leave them only a year or so to program and develop the entire 2nd game.  A good game takes time to develop, program, debug, and test.  If you dont take the time to do all of this, you end up with really buggy, badly scripted, and ultamatly and unfinished product.  I have played games that were on a rush job, and believe me there is nothing worse.

"I saw a gameplay video of L4D2 last night, and it's looking great."

Gameplay video always looks great.  Its called marketing.

"There are also the complaints regarding the characters and the setting.  How are these new characters bland and the characters from the first game not bland and unimaginative?  If anything, the footbal coach and the gambler guy look a lot more interesting than either Bill or Francis.  Plus, the characters fit into the new setting, as do the characters from the first game.  That really is a matter of opinion, and they shouldn't bitch that Valve dropped the ball on that.  And I don't know about anybody else, but it would get kinda tiresome if all the levels and games took place at night.  The change of setting and time of day looks actually like a refreshment from the typical gloomy rainy night of most horror games."

Just to show that I'm not completely a troll, I will say that I mostly agree with you here ^^  However I will wait to play the game before I make that judgement call one way or the other

"Oh, and they have lost faith in Valve after Valve has given them a ton of freebies and updates in their games throughout the years?"

Its not what they got that is the issue, its what they didn't get.  A lot of people I know bought this game not just for the gameplay but for the downloadable content that would come with it.  When developers release a sequal, they usualy stop developing new content for the older versions.  This is so they can force you to buy the full version of the newest game.  So Valve releasing one survival pack and then saying "Expect the sequal", it's easy to see why people would be upset. 

I don't know if this game is going to be good or bad, but I can definatly see the arguments.  Its not all "whiny, boo hoo I dont wanaaaaa"s but rather like your aleging.  Rather its more of a "make good on your promises." 

As a side note I did find this interesting interview with Valve Marketing Director

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=76077

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 "Even if they started on L4D2 right after L4D1, That would only leave them only a year or so to program and develop the entire 2nd game.  A good game takes time to develop, program, debug, and test.  If you dont take the time to do all of this, you end up with really buggy, badly scripted, and ultamatly and unfinished product.  I have played games that were on a rush job, and believe me there is nothing worse."

Unless they used a HUGE amount of the code from the previous game and just made what is mostly a carbon copy of the first game just with new levels/monsters/characters/weapons... i mean if you are just rehashing, there's not as many problems that could come up.

Ofcourse, this is part of the complaint in that all L4D2 will be is just a rehash of the first game... it will work just fine, but there is not a good reason for it to be a sequel instead of just downloadable content or an expansion to the first game...

I mean, the only reason they can say L4D2 started development right after the first game was because much of the content in L4D2 is content that was originally gonna be downloadable for the first game...

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

That's my main problem: $60 for different skins and some cheap expansions.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

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I am aware that VALVe is a business, however, they get a great deal amount of sales due to costumer trust and loyalty. If it were any other company releasing Left 4 Dead, people won't complain about a Left 4 Dead 2, however, Left 4 Dead 1 wouldn't of sold anyway as near as it did.

Many people bought Left 4 Dead at full price because they knew VALVe would release more content. Look at Team Fortress 2. That game is $20, yet it gets tons of fairly big, regular updates. With L4D more then double the price, you would expect more free content down the road.

More then anything, people are complaining because they had a lot of trust and expectations with VALVe, and it was just broken.

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What pisses me off is that this is the content that was promised to us as free DLC is being sold to us as a new game. Valve said they would release new campaigns, game modes, zombies, survivors, achievements, and maps. All we got was 1 new map, 1 game mode and a bunch of maps ported to it, and a few achievements to go with it. Where are our campaigns / characters / weapons? A sequel, which Valve admits they started working on immediately after L4D1 shipped.

"A lot of the value of a game like Left 4 Dead or a game like Team Fortress 2 is the community around it, since those are the people that you get to play with, and that’s where you’re deriving a lot of your enjoyment. So we’re taking the same approach that we’ve taken with Team Fortress 2, and doing that for Left 4 Dead."

I wouldn't have bought L4D1 if I knew I was being lied to about future updates. I essentially paid $50 to beta test L4D, and will have to pay again for the full product.

Also, the Charger isn't Valve's idea, it's this guy's:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=774540 .

He created this idea hoping it would be free DLC. Valve takes his idea, and then charges people $50 for it (Valve just announced L4D2 would be full price).

Also, why doesn't anyone else realize why the SDK wasn't released 2 weeks after L4D's release? If there was too much custom content, people wouldn't need to pay for the 5 new campaigns in L4D2. 6 months after release, we get a beta of a SDK. They promise it will come out of beta in 1 week. Of course it will. Also, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are personally going to deliver us the future L4D1 updates, and give us a complimentary copy of Duke Nukem Forever. There isn't even an easy way to install and use maps/skins for L4D1. Good luck trying to find a public server with custom maps on it, because the L4D matchmaking system doesn't support them. There is no way for a person not in any clans/mod groups to play custom maps other than with the shitty A.I.

Valve also announced that L4D2 players would be able to play L4D1's maps with the old characters, but with the new weapons/content; making it pointless to buy the first one. This means less people will make servers for L4D1, they will all move to L4D2. They also said L4D2 wouldn't interface with L4D1, which means the community will be split between people who are willing to pay an extra $50 / people who just bought L4D2 and people who aren't.

So what can Valve do to regain my trust?

1. Give all the new weapons to L4D1
2. Give the new infected/special infected to L4D1
3. Give L4D1 an extra campaign (The DLC that was promised)
4. Allow L4D2 owners to connect to L4D1 servers (because L4D2 will contain the content that was in L4D1)
5. Let L4D1 owners upgrade to L4D2 for $10 - $20

This will make it so that people will pay $10-20 for the new campaigns/characters, which I feel is a fair deal, if the above demands are met.

Personally, I'm not buying L4D2 until it costs less than $25

Also, I don't care about the fiddle music, you can just replace the music file with another one.  Same with the characters, lighting etc.  I care about being ripped off, not aspects of the game.

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Frankly I don't really care about this having not gotten the game yet, but I am pissed off over something that I shouldn't.  That's the fact that valid complaints such as yours are being ignored just for the fact that there are idiots that go to far with **** like the lighting and fiddle music.  *sigh* 

 

It's just sad that this is a valid complaint and some stupid crap is making it seem inane

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

Thanks.  I'm just pissed about being lied to and not getting the content that was promised.  When L4D3 comes out in 2010, it will contain all the DLC that was promised for free for L4D2.  Also, WTF is with Valve, they steal a guy's idea, created for the hope that it would be a free update, and then act like it was theirs and sell it.  He's not even getting a free copy or a discount.

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

Alright kiddies, gather around and let old man Ratros explain something to you.  At the end of the day, companies don't give a damn bout you or me, it's all bout the almighty dollar, and the omniponent quarter, and even that ferocious nickle.  Even if they say they care about you, they're lying, they are just trying to get into your pants, get theirs, and never call you again.  Now no one is saying that you don't have the right to be offended by this, as well as you should, but when you bring such things up, please keep the little children who were dropped on their heads continously at an early age and like to complain about the stupid **** that will only get your points misconstrewed locked in the closet where they belong.

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I apologize, I try to keep my sarcastic side off Gamepolitics, but when crap like this comes up....

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

I agree.  This sounds like a bunch of Cliff Clavens being retarded at the bar.

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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

And so it begins.

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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

What a bunch of spoiled babies.

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

Yes, we're so spoiled. It's not like Valve promised ongoing content updates... oh wait, they did...

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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

"Yes, we're so spoiled. It's not like Valve promised ongoing content updates... oh wait, they did..."

Valve was also supposed to fix the PS3 version of the Orange Box.

They didn't.

I find it supremely ironic that the people who shouted the loudest against PS3 owners and defended Valve are the ones who are now throwing temper tantrums.

 

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

So, that's another lie. Throw it on the list of things Valve has lied about. Come on Valve, you're better than this.

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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

Better go die your hair black and buy a pack of razors while you are at it. The world is SO unfair and cruel towards you.

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

Its also not like you bought something you apparently viewed as being incomplete......yeah.

Also I want the direct, original quote from someone at Valve 'promising' extra content on par with TF2.

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"A lot of the value of a game like Left 4 Dead or a game like Team Fortress 2 is the community around it, since those are the people that you get to play with, and that’s where you’re deriving a lot of your enjoyment. So we’re taking the same approach that we’ve taken with Team Fortress 2, and doing that for Left 4 Dead."

I don't remember who said this, but it's a clip from an interview featured in this video, Lie 4 Money:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQWylFmqnwM&feature=player_embedded

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Actually, I didn't. Guess you're wrong there.

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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

Didn't purchase or didn't find the game in box as incomplete?

Either way, then what's your complaint?

 

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

I bought the game because it was fun, and I enjoyed the free day back in May, and it was only 29.99 at EB. I guess my complaint is that we're continously letting Valve LIE TO OUR FACES!

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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

Hardly any of Valve's games feel "complete," IMO. They're quick, easy mods of Half-Life and Half-Life 2. Left 4 Dead was no exception. The fact that they didn't even bother to include a story mode, just four half-assed "campaigns," is proof of that.

That said, L4D was very fun, and there's nothing wrong with adding new content to a game to keep it fresh. When I first heard about all the new L4D content, I was excited. Then I found out it was going to be a completely separate game and I wrote it off as a rip-off.

Of course, all of this means nothing since my brother broke my copy of L4D and I'm going to buy L4D2 anyway. But, I'm loving this boycott. It looks like Valve fans finally woke up to how Valve makes its money.

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Honestly, the game doesn't need a story mode.  It might be nice but the main focus is on co-op and versus, and thats where its always at.  Even playing single player mode is still fun to play every once in awhile.

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Agreed. Story mode? Really? Ok, how about this. Everyone on earth has been turned into a zombie, except you and your friends. Fight through them to safety. There's your story (and the basic outline of 95% of zombie movies to boot.)

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Oh, and releasing achievements for one class at a time in TF2 and releasing "Episodes" instead of Half-Life 3 also shows Valve's laziness.

There I'm done.

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It's not that Valve chose to announce Left 4 Dead 2 that makes me angry. It's that Valve chose to announce Left 4 Dead 2 INSTEAD OF Half-Life 2 Episode 3.

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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

While I agree with some of these complaints if I get screwed out of daylight maps and fiddle music I'll be pissed.

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Lol, so true.  I'm with you on that.

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To be fair, this is a really quick turnaround for a sequel.  L4D just came out.  You also can't compare it to singleplayer games that replace themselves every couple years.  As a multiplayer game, it's designed to develop and maintain a community.  A new game so soon would only divide that community.

It'd be like Blizzard releasing WoW, and then releasing WoW2 two years later.

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*THANK YOU*

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

It seems the crux of the argument is that certain people bought this game thinking they were oblidged extra free content.

That was never the case regardless of Valve's reputation. Thinking otherwise is simply an exercise in being a bad consumer. Why did you purchase something you deemed incomplete?

When you paid for the original title, you paid for whatever was on that disc. Unless valve included some documentation stating otherwise with your disc, you are not owed anything more.

That said, my fiance and I have found what is on the disc more than sufficient to entertain us from last November through this past weekend and eagerly await the flameproof zombies in the sequel.

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"A lot of the value of a game like Left 4 Dead or a game like Team Fortress 2 is the community around it, since those are the people that you get to play with, and that’s where you’re deriving a lot of your enjoyment. So we’re taking the same approach that we’ve taken with Team Fortress 2, and doing that for Left 4 Dead."

I don't remember who said this, but it's a clip from an interview featured in this video, Lie 4 Money:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQWylFmqnwM&feature=player_embedded

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 What I want to know is, what are they going to do for Left 4 Dead 3, coming out July 2010?

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Probably the exact thing that EA does, which is what pisses me off. They'll just rinse/recycle a couple things from L4D and call it a new game and charge the same bullshit price.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

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*then don't buy it*

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*I don't plan to*

I'm simply making my opinions known so that people that are considering buying the new L4D may reconsider. I'm not telling people not to buy the game, I'm just saying that I won't buy it and here are my list of grievances.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

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 Buy a game for what's in the box. To have bought L4D under the assumption that it was going to receive the TF2 treatment was naive at best, and dumb at worst. No other Valve game has gotten the same support as TF2

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 It wasn't an "assumption"... an assumption means that their expectations were based off of nothing but their own personal thoughts and beliefs

Officials from valve out right said that L4D was gonna receive the same treatment as Team Fortress 2... THAT is what they based their expectations off of...

Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Sparks Consumer Protest

Half-Life 2 did, debateably.  Deathmatch wasn't included with it out of the box, nor were the stunstick/crowbar, nor were some of the new DM maps/modes, etc.  That said, even if it's Valve or Stardock it's still foolish to buy a game based on promised content.

If Valve actually promised these things for Left 4 Dead and hasn't delivered, though, it's crap they didn't deliver it.  It doesn't mitigate customer responsibility, but it's never wise to promise something and then not deliver.

   -P, let the buyer beware.

 
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Papa MidnightMatthew Wilson: Considering ContentID, I can't imagine that would necessarily be a problem for HBO.11/25/2014 - 10:19pm
Matthew Wilsonthey know if they dont, someone will.11/25/2014 - 8:40pm
Sora-ChanIt's a HBO show, which to be honest, considering it's HBO, it's actually surprising they even put any up on youtube.11/25/2014 - 8:36pm
Andrew EisenI imagine they hope the clips they do host (some of which are rather long) are enough to entice viewers to watch the show on whatever channel it airs on.11/25/2014 - 5:54pm
MaskedPixelanteIt's odd that these videos are missing from the official Last Week Tonight page.11/25/2014 - 5:51pm
Andrew EisenRelevant or not, the guy's pretty darn entertaining.11/25/2014 - 4:58pm
WonderkarpJohn Oliver : Corporations On Twitter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG_7xur1iRc I feel like this is relevent11/25/2014 - 4:53pm
WonderkarpBurt Macklin, Anthropologist. I look forward to Jurassic Parks and Recreation.11/25/2014 - 4:36pm
Andrew EisenYep.11/25/2014 - 4:16pm
E. Zachary KnightDid Jaws 3 take place in a theme park?11/25/2014 - 4:14pm
Andrew EisenHey, they're remaking Jaws 3. Sweet! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFinNxS5KN411/25/2014 - 3:22pm
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/11/25/sony-to-refund-vita-customers-in-ftc-settlement-over-false-ads/ Sony is offering a refund to Vita owners who fell for their false advertising during the Vita launch.11/25/2014 - 2:49pm
Matthew Wilsondoes not shock me. people have been representing this as right vs left, but in truth its more like left vs even more left. better put is social libertarianism vs liberal moralism.11/25/2014 - 2:36pm
WonderkarpOfficial Occupy WallStreet Twitter Supports GamerGate https://twitter.com/OccupyWallSt/status/536928387869474818 heh11/25/2014 - 2:11pm
Matthew WilsonI saw that given that the gc adapters have been sold out everywhere, I thought it was higher.11/25/2014 - 11:49am
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/11/25/smash-bros-sells-over-490k-on-wii-u-in-three-days/ Some good Nintendo news for a change.11/25/2014 - 11:48am
ZippyDSMleehttp://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.865821-Irrational-Games-Rises-From-The-Dead-is-Hiring-Again11/25/2014 - 10:20am
 

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