Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious Protest at E3

June 11, 2009 -

At least two faith-based bloggers have raised objections to a fake religious protest staged by Electronic Arts to promote its Dante's Inferno game at E3 last week in Los Angeles.

At GamePolitics reported, about 20 actors carried signs protesting Dante's Inferno on supposed religious grounds. The signs bore messages like "EA = anti-Christ" and "My high score is in Heaven." Initial coverage by the Los Angeles Times even reported (incorrectly) that the demonstrators came from a church in Ventura County, California.

Margaret Cabaniss of InsideCatholic has taken issue with the religious theme of EA's publicity stunt:

It's been clear for a while now that the entertainment industry views Christians on the whole as priggish, thin-skinned fun-killers... Has anybody at EA actually read the Inferno?

Meanwhile, Catholic Video Gamers writes:

Gamers of all varieties will buy this product if it's, well, actually a good game. So instead of engaging in a shamelessly anti-Christian stunt to promote your poor excuse of a product, maybe you ought to work on making this game, you know, something better than a blatant God of War rip-off and make it, ya know, something worthwhile?

GP: Aside from these blog posts there are no official complaints from religious organizations on the Dante's affair... yet.


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Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

 In the end, I have to disagree with most people's reactions to the fake protest.  I liked it.  It was satirical.  

The real problem lies in the vocal minority of Christians who get outraged at every little thing.  Instead of blaming marketing or EA or Stephen Colbert for "making fun of" the fundies, sensible christians should be turning their ire at those within their ranks for giving them a bad name in the first place.

"It's been clear for a while now that the entertainment inudstry views Christians on the whole as priggish, thin-skinned fun-killers"

It's not just the entertainment industry, it's scientists, students, etc.  And it's your fault.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

And it's your fault.

Wait, what? Weren't you just talking about the problem being the vocal minority of Christians? Turning around and blaming Christians in general is like blaming Muslims in general for terrorist attacks.

I hope I'm just reading your comment wrong or something.
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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Actually... the point was that Christians allow a small vocal minority speak for them and when something like this comes along, they blame EA or the media or whatever.  

Muslims actually continually distance themselves from the violent minority.  Muslims condemn that behaviour all the time.  You analogy is specious at best.  The proper analogy would be that when people complain about terrorist attacks, Muslims turn around and say that it's the victim's fault.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

By your logic, it then is the fault of all Muslims for any terrorist attack caused by a Muslim zealot, because the entire community doesn't publicly condemn it.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

It's hard to distance yourself when the vocal, insane minority gets all the attention. Having EA promote the stereotype with their faux protest doesn't help any. Most Christians would distance themselves from these sorts of nuts, but nobody cares to listen to the practical people since they're not controversial or entertaining enough to be put on the news.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Guess what? We DO distance ourselves - why do you think there are so many denominations of Christianity? If we think a person (or group) has it wrong, our group will separate so we can pursue our specific practices.

Yet the moment someone hears the word "Christian" they assume it speaks for all of us? If people would use their heads and realize that the few don't speak for the whole, it'd be so much easier >.>

Anyway, being on topic, I don't mind people protesting something if they have a serious problem with it. Freedom of Speech, etc. I rolled my eyes when I first heard of the protest, but there will always be people who have a problem with something right? No biggie, let 'em rant.

Then I found out it was fake. Christians get enough flak for standing up for their beliefs as is, and it can get confusing enough when we disagree internally. (non-Christians can easily see us as being contradictory, and it makes it a lot harder to explain what's going on) We don't need groups of fake protestors adding more fuel to the fire eh?

EA got the publicity they wanted, though. In that respect, it was a successful move. I find it tasteless, but hey, I'm close to the issue so I've got a bias against it. Had it been another religion, I may not have cared as much. I'm less angry at the principle of the thing and moreso angry that it involved me.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Um...yeah cept we can't actually do anything, Freedom of speech and all that. Most of us have our own battle on our hands...we might beable to deal with these morons if it weren't for the fact that we're constantly defending against other people from the outside that seem to think it's perfectly fine to be jerks to us because we're christian and thus nutjobs -_-; I would love to go forth and maim a bunch of the vocal minority, but as it stands I'm having enough trouble keeping myself outta the hospital because of my town.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

In the end, I have to disagree with most people's reactions to the fake protest.  I liked it.  It was satirical.

Dante's original story was satirical. Their staged protest was just plain stupid. An attempt to sell by manufactured controversy rather than actual quality.

-Gray17

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Sure, they sound irritated... but tomorrow there will probably be another article stating that these protests against the EA protests were staged as well. I just don' trust nothin' any more. >.>

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

I thought EA's staged protest was a fun PR stunt, because it wasn't obviously a PR stunt. That in turn is because it's believable, partly because of prejudice against christians I guess, but mostly because it's actually based on earlier protests from christians, conservatives and moralists. We've all seen their protests, with the slogans, the threats of burning in hell, etc.

If you're feeling offended by the image the protest paints of christian because you are a christian yourself, I don't quite see why. Sure, if you're one of the christian who protest like this for real, but then you're only laughable. You're never going to be taken seriously and you're always going to be the butt of jokes.

But a regular, sensible christian? I suggest that you employ an old tactic - distance yourself from this image of christianity. Whenever bad happens that is connected to christianity, you often hear that it's not real christianity, not your kind of christinaity or that not all christians can be held responsible for what a few nutjobs do in its name.

Why not do the same here? I.e. do the same thing you would do if this protest was real and arranged by some fringe christian extremist group. They don't represent you or your beliefs, and neither does a sarcastic image of them. That's how I would do it, anyway.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

The hearth of the christian religion is evangelism, that is spreading the word of christ and converting other people.

 

When EA for example, make christianism look bad, it is much harder to convince non-christians that it was some stupid PR and that christians are not like that, thus it becomes harder to convince non-nutjobs of joining the religion, and this hurts the religion on its core, since the religion is about conving people to join.

 

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Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

This.  Plus, lying is wrong in the first place.  Lying about a group of people that have deep problems with lying is just wrong on way more levels.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

What Cerabret110 said.  But even if this game was awesome and I didn't have a no-EA-games policy, I still wouldn't get inferno after this little stunt.

 

 -P, reporting from the circle of hell reserved for wise-asses.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Protesting protest. Irony, but logical all the same. I turn the other cheek as much as possible, but real protests maks us look bad enough. EA's fake one was humiliating. I'm with the bloggers; starting a war, then blaming it on us. Kinda like what happened in Iraq...

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

How is it anything like Iraq?  The war in Iraq was started due to faulty intelligence, due to secular progressives believing that the military and intelligence agencies didn't need money to find out if the info they collected was actually accurate.  EA was just stupid.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

 I agree and I agree (oh and I agree to the above EA work on something original LOL)

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

"So instead of engaging in a shamelessly anti-Christian stunt to promote your poor excuse of a product, maybe you ought to work on making this game, you know, something better than a blatant God of War rip-off and make it, ya know, something worthwhile?"

 

EA, work on something original?  LAWL

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Henry Hatsworth, Dead Space and Mirror's Edge say "hi". 

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Wait, isn't Harry Hatsworth a Professor Layton ripoff?

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Hatsworth is a platformer on one screen with a block puzzle on the other screen.   Nothing like Layton at all- other than the British-ness.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

So's Dead Space. A rip-off I mean, not a Professor Layton rip-off.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Now they need to be unoriginal again and give me Mirror's Edge 2.  :D

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Not only are the bloggers opinions based on logic instead of taking the more radical religeous approach...but i whole-heartedly agree with them

 

I'm...scared and confused

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

A thousand nations of the Christian Empire descend upon you! Our Bibles will BLOT OUT THE SUN!


Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

It's like this...

Christians range from crazy fundamentalist nutjobs to polite and very likable moderates.  You're just agreeing with the moderates and are confused because the crazy nutjobs drown out all the others so much that it's easy to forget that they're actually a minority. 

EA are probably fundamentally evil though;)

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

The nutjobs make themselves appear as being more devoted, more hardcore to their cause than the moderates because they are more fixated on the topics. They probably also perceive the moderates not being "true" to the cause.

GameSnooper

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

exactly, The nutjobs overshadow normal religious people so much that when a sane one is noticed i can't help but be a little tongue-in-cheek.

then the nutjobs come out, my faith in humanity is lowered, and i bring out the scathing sarcasm.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

This.

I'm one of the moderates. I see EA exploiting a religion (especially Christianity, which gets too much flack already) to promote a game as tasteless, but I'm not going to go off and bawl about it like the nutjobs because really, it's just one game. If I don't like the game, I don't have to spend money on it.

Re: Faith-Based Bloggers Slam EA For Staging Fake Religious ...

Agreed. It's a tasteless way to promote the game. We have enough "Christians" who make the religion look bad through their behavior, we don't need EA's help. Still, it's not a big deal. EA just needs to fire the geniuses that put together stunts like this and the brass knuckle incident.

 
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