Obama: Chinese & Indians Kids Play Fewer Video Games, "Coming At Us Hard"

June 12, 2009 -

Returning to a theme that he touched upon often during the 2008 presidential campaign, President Barack Obama told the audience at a town hall meeting in Wisconsin that American kids spend too much time playing video games and watching television.

But Obama added a new wrinkle to yesterday's remarks, linking them to the United States' ability to compete in the global marketplace:

Even with the good schools, we've got to pick up the pace, because the world has gotten competitive. The Chinese, the Indians, they're coming at us and they're coming at us hard, and they're hungry, and they're really buckling down.

And they watch - their kids watch a lot less TV than our kids do, play a lot fewer video games, they're in the classroom a lot longer.

So here's the bottom line. We've got to improve, we've got to step up our game. While the average public school is actually doing a reasonably good job... we are falling behind when it comes to math; our kids are falling behind when it comes to science...

We used to be head and shoulders above other countries when it came to education. We aren't anymore. We're sort of in the middle of the pack now among wealthy, advanced, industrialised countries.

Via: IANS


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A political statement wrapped in ignorance.

Chinese and Indian kids don't play video games because they're working in factories. 

Maybe Obama is suggesting that an abolishment of child labour laws will get kids to stop playing video games.

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Head and shoulder above over countries with education, huh? As a child of the late 80's and early 90's, it seems to me that we haven't really been ahead of the curve since...hell the industrial era?

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My two cents:

I find it funny that the Democrat blames video games, when Democrats are supposed to be appeasing young voters using new technology, and they are supposed to be champions of the First Amendment (which I do believe applies to video games).

I would like to know how Barack Obama plans on improving public schools.  As a parent, this is what I am interested in.  It isn't enough to say that he will work on it.  I want to hear a plan.  He can't make the time in a classroom longer, because the unions won't allow overtime.  He can't extend the school year, because the unions claim the summer break is necessary for teachers.  He can't get rid of tenure, because the unions will be in uproar.  The only thing he can do is throw money at the problem.  Here's the problem:  that's all he's done since he took office, and things have only gotten worse.

 

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I MISSED IT

I MISSED IT I MISSED IT I MISSED IT

 

CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP

 

...That's what she said!

 

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Of course they're playing fewer video games... they are spending way too much time pirating them. You don't have time to play when you should be working.

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 Oh yeah I would just like to post some of the horrible things public schools do and why we need better teachers not longer hours.

 

Our AP economics teacher told everyone they could throw away their notes at the end of the year and then announced a test the next week. How are we supposed to study without notes. This was after he took a grade for playing a music game. This is an ap class for crying out loud.

Our principal wouldn't announce a fine arts events because it "wasn't as important as the girl's basketball game."

Our principal stopped our entire academic awards ceremony to give the scores of our schools baseball game. That was really rude. He didn't recognize anyone personally unless they were in sports. Its called an ACADEMICS AWARDS CEREMONY.

My Spanish teacher couldn't even speak the language correctly. I know this since we had an exchange student from Mexico and she couldn't understand anything our teacher was saying. This was the type of teacher who handed back failing grades with a smile.

Our basketball coach got arrested for impersonating a doctor.

Two teachers got fired for getting drunk on a school trip.

Our AP english teacher decided watching movies and playing chess was more important than literature. Really?

The athletics department gets so much funding they have thousands of dollars left over every year. I'm just glad our head coach hates the administration and loves the fine arts and academics. He gives the extra money to other school departments that need it. 

I ask questions in class and get told by the teacher they will look it up and get back to me. They never get back to me even when I ask again.

A teacher gave a 69 to a kid for every grade he had all year. <== That is really true. Luckly it was only a one semester class.

Our assistant principals are known to eavesdrop on kids.

One assistant principal got fired for stealing kids lunches.

Our head assistant publicly said the students were not as important as the teachers.

 

I was lucky about math and science. I went to a magnet school in a public school that had different classes only in math in science.(Only the kids in the magnet school could attend these classes). These teachers had pay based on performance. Huge difference between them and the public school teachers. My physics teacher made physics seem like first grade math he was so good. 

By the way this was a surburban school in an extremely weathly area. If my school was this bad I don't even wanna know what inner city schools are like.

 

 

 

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 You also can't compare our education standards with that of other countries. For example certain countries in Europe have higher test scores than we do. However, their version of high school is optional and they hand out different levels of degress depending on the time spent in that school By the fourth year only the highest scoring kids are left. In America we force every child to go to school. We are comparing everybody to a smart minority. Its the same way in China and India as somone posted above. America's not doing bad, its just we are expecting everyone to be geniuses which isn't possible.

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Says the president who advertised in a video game.

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LOL, the MORON.

"In the classroom longer"? We need to improve the QUALITY of our education, not compare ourselves to the QUANTITY OF TIME spent in theirs.

Our education system runs our kids 40 hours a week with an expected 10-20 hours a week of homework. It's failing. Maybe if we started firing SHITTY TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATORS we'd see an upturn in our kid's education.

 

Also, the chinese and indian kids are too busy with child labor to play video games. The top 5% that can afford it and the group out of them don't are just that - the top 5% of their population.

Here's an idea! Drop the VAT tax BS, add incentives for products manufactured in the U.S., remove teacher's job protection, make schools more transparent, and make being a public schools K-12 teacher a worthwhile career monitarily.

Oh, wait, that's too hard and will step on too many people's feet. It's easier to prevent these changes and when other politicians try to find ways around it (I.E. charter schools), point and laugh at their failed attempts.

 

You want to teach science? That's great, stop pushing biology - which has some STUPID controversy, and start pushing useful sciences such as chemistry. Maybe we could require mandatory training of our teachers in different learning styles. Oh, too costly. It's easier to whine and bitch while we slip into obscurity. Spoon-feeding information to our students makes our teachers happier. Everybody likes a cute baby that can't think for itself.

When they recognize that a full time college student spends an average of 36 hours a week on school (12 hours in class), and that our K-12 students are spending 40 hours a week IN CLASS, and expected to self-start and self-motivate, maybe we'll get some of that 'change' he was talking about.

It's bloody ridiculous (thanks, british peoples, for the curse word). We have bullying, we have sleeping in class, we have condoms being handed out by school nurses, we have 'basics of' evolution/big bang theory, but (and these are related in order) no psychology, no self care and/or useful 'basics of' healthcare, no real physics courses to teach us the 'whys' behind the big bang theory/evolution.

Plenty of kids being 'thrown away' as unteachable. I had many teachers say that about me before I was pulled out and homeschooled, and I maintain a 4.0 in college. I was actually, in my 8-12th grade years, only in academics like taught in our public schools for 200 days total. The rest was just messing around. On my entrance exams, I scored typically double what public schools students did.

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the 'change' we can believe in will be the pennies thrown to us by our government when we're all reduced to helpless reliance on politicians.

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Hah.. Yeah, you sure sound like you maintain a 4.0 in college.. You complain about the existence of Biology (HUGELY Valuable. Ever hear of Medical Biology? You know, the study of how the human body works and how to apply that to the development of new medical science??) and you seem to think that teaching the Big Bang and Evolution is a bad thing.

The only thing you are maintaining a 4.0 in is your "Conservative ranting" and "Im Religious and Scared of science, please help me!" Degrees..

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Let them waste their time with useless obscure math nobody uses.

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Maybe the fact that English class is required for 4 years while science and math are optional is a good reason why we're falling behind IN SCIENCE AND MATH!

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Theres an article pertaining to the Education problem(I was researching it after what Barack obama said on GP)

http://blog.paulsnet.org/?p=37

http://www.city-journal.org/html/8_2_a1.html It gives you the insight of why Teachers Can't teach as well as they used to

and my take on the public Education system, It sucks "very badly" in south-southeast PA.

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Teachers are one aspect, the other local admirations, for teachers I think its time to put a free market pay scale into place you  teach your kids 2-4X what the norm is you get paid 2 or 3 times as much as a normal toss away teacher, and thats what we have as teachers in the US EDU system for K-12 teachers that can not teach and are nothing but fodder used by the school systems to manage mids as a semi advanced day care system that pays for local sports programs....

Sport's rant aside we can do so much better if we took the average student IQ/test scores and then paid the teachers more if they are able to to raise them more than 40% with more invectives the higher you go getting more bright and hard working teachers wanting to build their life at teaching kids to be smarter even if you don;t go with such a system it starts with teaching kids to enjoy learning and always having high standards for them.

 


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Well, that's a good idea...but...

 

1.How do you judge what the teachers are teaching? (Colleges do it in mathmatics by a department standardized randomly generated final exam that covers all materials in a book)

2.Schools don't pay for sports programs - the participants in and ticket sales do.

3.IQ tests aren't meant as a quantitive measure of knowledge, but a qualitative measure of learning ability.

4. http://www.newsweek.com/id/154901 I don't know if this person is still in her position, it was likely she was fired. She came in and had the gall to shake the lazy-ass teachers out of their comfortable positions. Basically: If they didn't teach, they got fired. If they gave up their tenure/secure position, they could make about 2 1/2 times their normal wage.

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I think all students sould take a state and federal wide  Final exam each and every year(until graduation) it would include all subjects(including P.E. but that will be handled by a yearly fitness test), I think the PSSA(pennsylvania system of school assement) would qualify as an every yr final exam

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Maybe we could also get schools to cease diverting most of what money they get to their sports departments and stop giving preferential treatment to athletes. Seriously, I have heard of cases where teachers are instructed to give star athletes a free ride so they could carry the school, no, the school's team to another "victory", while the rest of the school has to deal with textbooks from the 70s.

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Hey Obama, I play video games and watch tv enough to make my parents complain. But wait I got all A's, graduated top ten and I am going to a top level university. Oh my gosh. Video games must have stunted my academic growth.

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Hmm more time in the classroom. give me a break

I remember that my little cousin wanted to start school. He couldnt wait to start school. He wanted to digest the knowledge of the world and he was only 4 years old. I bet we were all like that, willing to learn but then something changed. Why is that?

So Chinese and Indians spend more time in the classroom So do the Japanese and they have the highest youth sucide rate, most of it to be blamed on their culture. The Japanese put so much emphasis on education, getting good grades, and conforming to the rest of society that just to slip up once its held against them practically destroying their lives. It has gotten to a point where if your not in the top percentile you might as well give up.

If there is anything to be said for education, it is that learning no longer motivates us. Students are not treated as people but more like prisoners that only have mainly 2 ways to get out, get the grades or escape. Student have come down to nothing but statistics and numbers. The school system does not motivate us to learn, it motivates us to cram, memorize, cheat, or not. It tells us that failure is unexceptable and to fail is practically death, so much for trial and error. We all know there is more to life than math, science, english, etc... face it not everyone is going to excel at each area we all have our strengths and weaknesses, and various interest. Maybe we should capitalize on what students like to do and are good at doing.

A whole change in the enviroment of how to teach children needs to be changed. From my experience, stop treating students as prisoners, numbers, pets and treat them like people. Maybe step away from the academic lessons and help on those life lessons.

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It's not video games, it's the horrible government controlled schools. Obama isn't going to say anything because the teachers unions that make them so bad are supporters of his.

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Not for nothing but Obama isn't exactly wrong here. Chinese and Indian students DO spend a lot more time in the classroom. The United States is stuck in an educational system designed to allow students to be out of school to help on the family farm.

Exactly how many of us live on the family farm anymore?

I really don't think this is the attack on video games you think it is Dennis. I think this is a comment on the increasingly sedentary lifestyle of the average American. There's no denying the epidemic of childhood obesity and the fact that our kids are being raised by TV's, 360's and PS3's nowadays.

I don't see where Obama put the BLAME on the games themselves. He said our kids are playing too many videogames, I tend to agree with him in some respects, kids are playing MLB '09 instead of playing...ya know...BASEBALL. But I don't see where Obama blamed the existence of the games themselves.

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Our kids are distracted from edu by a wealthy lifestyle  IE there is simply to much distraction and without a system thats able to get them interested in learning and polish their natural skills to place some on a work skill path early all we will do is fail because it places the burden on kids to be smart and ready for the world 13 years before they are due....

 


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"I think this is a comment on the increasingly sedentary lifestyle of the average American."

How is an argument for longer school hours -- no doubt to be spent sitting down listening to teachers -- a comment on the sedentary lifestyle of the average American?

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I'm pretty hardcore when it comes to game, and I also have the president's award for mathematical excelence, and aced every math/science class I've taken in high school and college (well, except the ones I exempted from).

Prehaps he should take a look at the calculations needed to determine the correct weapon in Dragon Quest 8? Or the fact that on most game board inner game mechanics are generally discovered using the scientific method?

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"And they watch - their kids watch a lot less TV than our kids do, play a lot fewer video games, they're in the classroom a lot longer."

There's something to be said against taking school so seriously that there's very little room left for just plain fun. Instead of forcing kids into stricter schools with longer hours -- possibly driving many of them to suicide when they can't deal with the pressure -- how about instead we improve the quality of teaching? Let's make schools more interesting, more welcoming, and less authoritarian instead of having the government adopt a paternalistic attitude towards education.

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Poverty is a great drive to learn how many in the US don;t have food,water,power and stuff? We need a edu system that  pays teachers 2-4 times as much if they can pass a class with 3 or 4 times  higher scores and for chirst sake toss out tenure for k-12 teachers its un needed as they need to meet edu goals more than anything else.

 


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Sounds like a good idea when you first read it, but think about what's going to happen if you reward a teacher for having students with higher grades.

Curriculum becomes easier so that students will be able to get higher grades. People are people, and in general, teachers aren't going to take the hard way to a reward (be a better teacher) as opposed to just lowering the difficulty.

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They are doing that now you know(IE watering down standards...)...... thats why thigns are so bad.....

For this to work In order to meet the higher pay standards you need to have kids, at least 50% of the class, rated at 3 to 6 grades or higher than normal. And for the 8+ grades, collage level tests to grade the class.

 


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It's not a problem of playing too many videogames or watching TV. They're just stupid.

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Errr...thats because 'dear'(bama) they have less restrictions on how young you can work and work safety not to mention that most are poor compared to the US. So all this translates to I want the young to work I want to repeal work safety and benefits so we can drive the economy so everyone will be poor paying taxes  so the government can reduce what is spends by killing off large swafes of the populace?


O.....M.....G.......... we went from Idiot Dubya to a idiot savant in Bama.........

 


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Yes, that's obviously what he meant by that commnet. Jesus stop jumping to ridiculous conclusions


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PoisonedV

Perhaps I should have added sarcasm tags for all but the idiot parts?

 


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Not to sound like a jerk, but it IS difficult to tell what you are trying to say sometimes. Not to mention, if you aren't being sarcastic most of the time, you do jump to some pretty crazy conclusions on occasion.

Thats not to say you don't hit the nail on the head just as often, though. :)

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Vlad

So for the sake of lessening confuseion I need to tag my comemnts? :P


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"So all this translates to I want the young to work I want to repeal work safety and benefits so we can drive the economy so everyone will be poor paying taxes  so the government can reduce what is spends by killing off large swafes of the populace?"

Well... Are you saying that Obama is suggesting we force the young to work and repeal work safety? Because thats not at all what he is suggesting. He is just saying kids need to get more involved in thier education.

Its no secret these days that kids would rather play video games or watch tv than read a book or study. In fact, there aren't many kids these days who actually READ. You say, "Oh man, you should read this book!" and they respond "Sorry, I dont read books.." Like its some kind of insult that you think they should read.. Come to think of it, I remember a time when I was reading a book at home, in my computer chair, and my Brother and his friends came in and just looked at me like I was crazy. "Why are you READING?!?! That is so boring and lame!" they kept saying..

Like I've been saying, its the children these days, and thier insistence that anything academic is lame, and that anyone who does it is a loser.. As well as the idea that they don't need to be smart to be sucessful..

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Hardly more like fou neo con rant as a joke, what I was trying to get at hes comparing  apples to oranges then making a sound bite about change that no one is really interested in bringing.

And you do realize you are blaming kids for being kids you might as well say they should just get a job at 8 its asinine and ridiculous to blame a kid for being a kid, you can blame parents to a certain degree but this problem starts at a governments level because its allowed people to get dumb by lowering standards and not keeping up with the times, you can not completely blame a zombie for what it is theres always 1 or 2 things that made it.

We need a reinvention of the K-12 or more specifically 5-12 grades we need to use a true free market standard on teacher pay and get those that are highly skilled and wish to live a decent life and not work in poverty, we should be treating them like CEOs if they can handle the herding children into higher standards not do the nightmarish thing we are doing now that pushes most kids to a GED is good enough mentality and others to just give the fuck up on education.

 


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Woah woah, a kid calling reading lame is not a 'kid being a kid'. It's a kid being a dumbass. My parents instilled in all 3 children a love for reading at a young age, and it made an enormous impact on my education.

I can tell you for sure that there's a difference when all through elementary school I never got less than 100% on a spelling test, while the majority of other classmates had troubles. Or using words that other kids had never heard of before because I read them in a book.

I actually managed to read David Copperfield in Grade 5.

Most of my friends never read anything except magazines, and its kind of sad to think that they'll never read classic books.

I try not to write off anti-intellectualism as kids being kids, because at this point in time, that type of thinking doesn't stop when they become teenagers/adults.

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........ a kid calling learning lame is by definition and nature a kid being a kid because kids are naturally dumbasses. If you as a community do not raise standards and get kids adjusted to learning and education you have generations of adults unable to become mature. This is a 2 fold problem one is parents but government can fix the problem by overhauling the edu system in the US that virtually pushes anyone it can into a mentality of low standards, get the kids smarter in 20-30 years the next generation will be better off because they had some real fundamentals ground into them by the system. Keeping to the status quo only makes more zombies.

 


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There's a growing middle class in China that have access to all kind of games just like the ones we have in the west or different ones. In South Korea and Japan for example there exist a growing middle class that also has access to the same videogames we have in the west. Both the Chinese, South Korean and the Japenese children from the middle class now have access to videogames on their cellphones...and they do play them...

It might be true that the US is falling behind in Math and in Science, but who is to blame for this?
Or a better question may be to ask who is resonsible for this?

Teachers have, of course, a great responsibility here, to explain their assignments to the students. Parents have a responsibility, too, I find. To help their children with the assignments given in schools.

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Teens these days are just kind of lazy. My brother dropped out of school, and it's a pain trying to get him to go to work, whether he's playing video games or not.

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hey obama, you forgot that part where those specific groups of people are also known to beat their children! but hey! all for the sake of education!

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wait... are you freakin kidding me!?

China is actually SUFFERING from MMO ADDICTION!

i thihnk the only country worse than China is south Korea!

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yeah chinese or indian kids don't play videogames but many of them don't think for themselves....

at least they think  unlike a lot of kids here....

but chinese and indian kids lack in social skills, i know because i used to live in India.  they study way too much and suck up to authority too much.  

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It's not Chinese and Indian kids are coming at us hard, Americans are willing to hire those from overseas because they can have them come here and pay them if they were in India under K1-B Visa status.

 

Obama is just a Jimmy Carter 2.0 an entire section at Allstate were I used to work are not dazeled and confused because they were laid off to outsource overseas because of Obamanomics.

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Let's not forget that he isn't saying video games are dangerous, or that they make kids stupid.  He just considers them a waste of time you could be spending on something else.

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A big part of the problem is the fact that school is boring as hell. And, no, it's not supposed to be 'Super Happy Fun Time!", but there's a lot that could be done to make things more interesting... things that could actually make kids *want* to learn instead of just spouting on and on about whatever's in the curriculum and hoping something sticks.

Remember that one teacher you'd have every now and then? The one that did things a lot differently? The one that decided your education shouldn't be focused squarely on what letter grade you were going to get, but rather on getting you to actually *understand* what was being taught, with the idea that the letter grade would fall into place once that happened? Remember it WORKING?

And many teachers just want to make things as hard as they can. Some of them might only give 4 major tests throughout a semester... so, you screw up on one of those and could be stuck at a C no matter what you do. And when many kids feel stuck like that, they just give up on doing any better for the remainder of that class... which means they'll come away from that class with the bare minimum of knowledge needed to pass... IF they do pass.

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If you ask me, the burden of making the grade should be placed squarely on the student. Yes, some teachers make it harder than others, but if a student is going to give up just because he or she got a bad teacher, then they deserve whatever grade they get.

Think of the comparison to the real world. Should you stop trying hard at work just because you have a shitty boss? No. Do some people do it? Yes, and they end up having to deal with the consequences of thier actions through discipline or even termination.

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You can't expect a middle school kid to take the course syllabus and derive the proper way to learn the materials and achieve the course goals.

If your attitude is correct then why do we even bother with teachers?

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Yes, there are shitty teachers, but absolving all responsibility for your grades because you had a shitty teacher isn't going to work.

Ultimately, what you do with your life, the grades you get, and your job performance once you hit the real world are all up to you. Your choices dictate how well you do in the long run. Yes, having more help (Better Teachers and more support) will always be better, but if a kid is really determined, it doesn't matter what kind of teachers they have, they will come out of school with a good education.

Ugh, Im going to sound conservative again here, and it kills me to do so, but one thing that is missing in a school system is the idea of personal responsibility. It is YOUR responsibility to do well in school, and it is YOUR responsibility to focus and work hard in the real world as well. Ultimately you are responsible for your life.

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I would agree, if you were able to pick your school and your teachers.

In schools you are responsible for meeting the goals put forth. If the goals aren't defined properly then you can't do anything.

The system only works when both sides of the equation are right.

 
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E. Zachary KnightZippy, So you can't find even one?08/29/2014 - 1:04pm
ZippyDSMleeAndrew Eisen:Right because shes prefect and never exaggerates... *rolls eyes*08/29/2014 - 12:53pm
SleakerAnd honestly, nearly all of the games she references, or images she depicts I've always cringed at and wondered why they were included in games to begin with, from pinups through explicit sexual depictions or direct abuse. I think it's cheap storytelling.08/29/2014 - 12:35pm
Sleaker@AE - aren't most people fundamentally misunderstanding her at this point? haha.. On a related note I think a lot of the backlash is coming from males that think she is telling them their 'Generic Male Fantasy' is bad and wrong.08/29/2014 - 12:33pm
Andrew EisenAnd no, I don't think the female community would be upset over the performance of a case study in and of itself. Possibly the mostivations behind such a study, the methodology or conclusions but not the mere idea of a case study.08/29/2014 - 12:29pm
Andrew EisenAmusingly, these videos aren't saying you can't/shouldn't use tropes or that sexual representations are inherently problematic so those are very silly things to have a problem with and indicate a fundamental misunderstanding of the series.08/29/2014 - 12:29pm
SleakerDo you think the female community would get extremely angry over a male doing a case study on the negative impact of sex-novels and their unrealistic depiction of males and how widespread they are in american culture?08/29/2014 - 12:25pm
SleakerThe other thing that people might find problematic is that they see no problem with sexual representations of females (or males) in games. And realistically, why is there anything wrong with sexual representations in fiction?08/29/2014 - 12:24pm
SleakerTo even discuss or bring up these issues at a cultural level to begin with. Going straight for games to many probably feels like a huge overstepping given that it's interactive story in many cases, and when you're telling a story why can't you use tropes.08/29/2014 - 12:21pm
SleakerI think a large part of the controversy stems from the idea that games aren't culture setters, but culture reactors, and simply depict what is already in culture. So people don't care that games use tropes or are blind to them because we've failed ...08/29/2014 - 12:20pm
AvalongodBesides, what better way to make her point for her than to respond to her opinion by behaving like a misogynistic asshole. Sure, it may be a troll account, but that doesn't make it "ok"08/29/2014 - 12:19pm
AvalongodWhether Sarkeesian is "right" or "wrong" is not relevant, neither she nor any other woman should have to expect that her opinion will be met with death threats or even just sexist language.08/29/2014 - 12:18pm
Andrew EisenOh, may as well. Zip, I challenge you to cite three specific examples from the TvW videos (use direct quotes and time stamps) and explain how/why they ring hollow or are over exaggerated.08/29/2014 - 11:56am
Andrew EisenZip - Bullies on both sides? What both sides? And of course bullies are worse than people who aren't bullies.08/29/2014 - 11:23am
Neeneko(2) yes, male tropes also have problems and gender studies looks at those too. But this highlights a privilage problem, the idea that if male issues are not brought up too female issues should not be discussed.08/29/2014 - 10:42am
Neeneko@ZippyDSMlee - jumping back (1) one can acknowledge systemic problems without requiring every male be a Neanderthal.08/29/2014 - 10:42am
MaskedPixelanteI don't like the new 3DS, mostly because it means there's a good chance future 3DS games won't be compatible with the current models.08/29/2014 - 9:30am
ConsterI don't get why Amazon decided to buy this "Twitch" fellow, really. It took him ages to beat Pokemon.08/29/2014 - 8:31am
ZippyDSMleeIt goes without saying that we need to et rid of the bullies on both sides that are far worse than Sarkeesian or Quin will ever be.08/29/2014 - 8:24am
ZippyDSMleeI'm talking more about the genreal movement and how silly it is, as for Sarkeesian half of what she is says rings hollw while the other half tend to be over exsagerated.08/29/2014 - 8:22am
 

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