Obama: Chinese & Indians Kids Play Fewer Video Games, "Coming At Us Hard"

June 12, 2009 -

Returning to a theme that he touched upon often during the 2008 presidential campaign, President Barack Obama told the audience at a town hall meeting in Wisconsin that American kids spend too much time playing video games and watching television.

But Obama added a new wrinkle to yesterday's remarks, linking them to the United States' ability to compete in the global marketplace:

Even with the good schools, we've got to pick up the pace, because the world has gotten competitive. The Chinese, the Indians, they're coming at us and they're coming at us hard, and they're hungry, and they're really buckling down.

And they watch - their kids watch a lot less TV than our kids do, play a lot fewer video games, they're in the classroom a lot longer.

So here's the bottom line. We've got to improve, we've got to step up our game. While the average public school is actually doing a reasonably good job... we are falling behind when it comes to math; our kids are falling behind when it comes to science...

We used to be head and shoulders above other countries when it came to education. We aren't anymore. We're sort of in the middle of the pack now among wealthy, advanced, industrialised countries.

Via: IANS


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Even if you can't pick your school or teachers, which, by the way, at least in my state, you can, the ultimate responsibility for your future is you.

You can't go around saying "I'm stupid because my teachers sucked!" Thats just shifting blame away from where it should be. Again, I'm not saying that there aren't bad teachers, but if they were the cause of all the stupidity in America, how is it that plenty of students go through thier classes and are just fine coming out the other end.

Like I said before, the ultimate responsibility for your education falls directly on your shoulders. If you don't feel like you are getting the subject matter, then you had better do something about it. Spend extra time studying and learning on your own, find a tutor, or talk to another teacher to bring you up to speed. The problem arises when a kid doesn't take these extra steps to learn the subject matter.

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I think you have missed my point again.

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"I would agree, if you were able to pick your school and your teachers."

You couldn't? Back when I was still in the system, I was picking my school and teachers since the start of junior high, 6th grade.

Is that actually unusual? Yikes.

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In all fairness, I think he may be speaking more about time management than the specific activites of children.

Regardles, it's not like Obama is creating an environment where better education will have much benefit to people: Equal outcome for all regardless of the amount of work put in. 

 

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Alright, time to tear this bullshit apart.

Even with the good schools, we've got to pick up the pace, because the world has gotten competitive. The Chinese, the Indians, they're coming at us and they're coming at us hard, and they're hungry, and they're really buckling down.

What 'good schools'?  Most public schools are GARBAGE.  The Chinese aren't 'coming' at jack shit.  They've been lying about test scores in that country since Chairman Mao, so I'll be damned if I'll take their numbers seriously.  I don't doubt they have better schools, probably because they weed out people who won't learn and send them to work in the fields or in factories or doing odd jobs for the government.



And they watch - their kids watch a lot less TV than our kids do, play a lot fewer video games, they're in the classroom a lot longer.

Actually, they don't.  They're in the classrooms a little bit longer than us, but their teachers are motivated by fear of the party, unlike ours who are barely motivated by fear of being fired (because, you know, unions and tenure make it pretty hard to fire shitty teachers).

So here's the bottom line. We've got to improve, we've got to step up our game. While the average public school is actually doing a reasonably good job... we are falling behind when it comes to math; our kids are falling behind when it comes to science...

Then how are we doing a reasonably good job?  And what about English, you know, the language that Americans read and write?  Most public school graduates seem stuck at reading at a 5th grade level last I checked.  Our math and science scores suck in public schools, mainly because the textbooks are old, teachers unmotivated, and students don't care to learn (for the most part).

We used to be head and shoulders above other countries when it came to education. We aren't anymore. We're sort of in the middle of the pack now among wealthy, advanced, industrialised countries.

You know, if we had money to spend on education instead of throwing it away on bullshit like stimulus packages (get ready for part 2 this summer y'all!), buying failing businesses (GM, for example, which will continue to fail for the next year and a half).  We could cut out a lot of the new government's wasteful spending, and probably generate 500 BILLION (at least) more dollars for schools.  Of course, it'd also help if the government didn't assist in pushing businesses out of the country and making people not want to do business in the US due to unions, idiotic regulations, etc.

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 Yes, people who stay up to 12am every night grading kid's papers are lazy.

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Try harder at trolling please.

And don't try to tell me that you aren't trolling, because if you aren't, that makes you a moron for not reading a post in its entirety and responding to only one point made without respect to supporting arguments. 

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Man, Austin.. You really entertain me with some of your off topic republican ramblings..

HOWEVER (and let me make this clear that this won't happen often) the part of your post that actually was about education and teachers is pretty much correct.

From personal experience, (Im 22, so my high school is still pretty fresh in my mind) part of the problem is some bad teachers exist. Though, in my school, the 3 really terrible teachers we had were actually fired during my 4 years there.

The one thing you did miss in your comments, though, were the STUDENTS. My school, a public school, had more really awesome teachers than I can even count, and it showed in most of us. However, there is always that bottom 25% of students who would rather cause trouble, do drugs, and generally slack off and not do your work during the school day.

THESE students, in my opinion, are more responsible for our "failing" school system than the teachers. These students wear way at a teachers will to work hard and do a good job, not to mention that thier disruptions cause other students to stray from the correct path and just cause general chaos. I had a math teacher that was just AWESOME.

He kept students engaged, even most of the slackers, and everyone loved him, even though he was a tough grader. He quit his job and moved to a different school after getting saddled with a remedial math class full of students bussed in the from the inner city, and being written up because he sent disruptive students away, and with that class, it ended up being like half of it on a daily basis. So, he was forced to make a choice between tolerating disruptive students, which would lower the quality of education to the students who wanted to be there, or lose his job.

In my opinion, these kids should have 3 strikes, and then be removed from the class. And if they prove to be habitual in many classes, they should be removed from school. This is probably one of the ONLY things in the world that I have a conservative view on, but I take education seriously, and I don't think than 80-90% of the student population in a school should be forced to tolerate kids who don't want to be there.

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The fact that a lot of teachers that suck manage to keep their jobs seems to be a problem to me.  There are some great public school teachers, but a lot are mediocre to just plain terrible.  I heard a story about a highschool teacher near where I live who used to yell (as in SCREAM) at the students (he taught Algebra).  Sadly, as the man had tenure and was part of the teachers union, he never got fired.

And should some of those kids be forced out of the public school system or sent to bootcamps?  You bet your ass.

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I wouldn't even say that "a lot" of teachers suck.. Most of them care about the students and thier success, despite what the Anti-Union rhetoric is. Unfortunately, when more and more students come from households who don't care about education and misbehave, it becomes harder and harder to care about them at all.  If you ask me, I'd rather a teach scream at his students and if it gets thier attention to learn, than sit back, put in a video, and give everyone A's for showing up, because it shows that the Teacher cares about getting the lesson through thier thick skulls..

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Through out my public school years, going to six different schools over the course of it, I can honestly say that the number of good/inspiring teachers could be counted on one hand. A good teacher IMO is one that inspires their students to think and work hard, at least from my experience, there seems to be a lack of those types. Absolutely the Teachers' Union is an issue, just as the UAW is with what happened in the American auto industry, it has become too big and too powerful. The only thing that really combats it is when a group of parents become "outraged" and make a huge stink that could result in bad PR. Of course yeah there's also the issue of bad parents as well who don't make their kids do their work (which is such a terribly outdated concept that could be and should be done away with) or keep their grades up or any real discipline at home. Or those parents that give teachers hell for trying to discipline their kids since said parents aren't doing it themselves.. Hell, when I went to school in Arizona in the late 80s/start of the 90s, they were still paddling kids. O_O Too bad that wasn't kept up. There's absolutely no fear of discipline now. Oh no! Detention, oh no, in school suspension, oh no a regular suspension/vacation! Then there's the whole mass paranoia that arose from Columbine that did no one any favors. >_<

IMO we need to find a way to completely break out of the one size fits all curriculum and educate students based on their strengths while making sure their weaknesses are also covered to an acceptable level..

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Valdearg,

Both you and Austin make valid points concerning our education issues and I believe both of you to be right, to a point.  The issue is probably way more complex than your focused appraisal on one factor.  Kids can be brats and punks.  Teachers can be incompetent and hopelessly outdated. 

I can cite examples of both from my friends and family that have taught in the classroom.  It may be more one way such as your experiences Valdearg but that doesn't mean it can't be the opposite in another area.  If poor teachers have been fired then you have to question the strength of the teacher union in your area (one of the local unions near Denver had a sick out over a permanent 1% cost of living increase), the competence of the principal, etc.  If the students are complete assholes in the classroom and are disrupting the environment, you have to question the type of household they're growing up in, parental environment, etc.  It gets hopelessly complicated once you start accounting for variables but a school in Chicago is not a school in Denver is not a school in Washington D.C. and so on.

This is one of the reasons why I dislike the idea of bussing and support the concept of school vouchers.  Oh, and I'm not extremely removed from the high school environment either.  I graduated in 1999 and the Columbine shooting punctuated the end of my high school experience.

First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

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I agree with what you are saying to a point. Its not so much a fault of the students as it is the school administration for not allowing students to be treated differently, based on there skill level. The system is setup in a way that it cannot provide what either student require, because those who don't care about the class are put in the same as those who excel in that area.

It is our system that has a problem, because it does not allow for an alternative to standard classroom education. IE no technical training or skill training before finishing High School, which is unacceptable in a modernized school system.

~Weatherlight~

~Weatherlight~

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We also have bigger debts than China and India.  Any idea how to fix that, Mr Prez?

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Stop wasteful spending?  Oh wait, he's not interested in that one...

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Since when has any president?  Wasteful spending == votes.  The only thing that ever changes is which waste they go with and who consideres it wasteful.

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The President isn't saying that video games are the cause of this. He's saying that children who spend more time playing video games (AND WATCHING TV) spend less time learning, which in most cases is perfectly true.

I dare you to try and argue that I can learn anything that will be useful--and for the sake of this comment help my SAT score--while simultaneously playing Super Smash Bros. or watching any TV show over the air, (excluding PBS, sometimes) or almost any on basic cable.

It may be that some teachers need to be more active, (or just plain better) but so do parents and the children themselves. If a child has no motivation for any reason, he won't be inspired by even the best teacher. This disheartens initially well-meaning teachers, and they lose motivation themselves. It's a vicious cycle.

ETA: There's a lot of educational programming, but you have to pay for it (at least in New York) and I have never seen a kid watch that willingly, who wasn't just watching it 'cause it was about the military.

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Video games do not have to be about learning something useful, they can be a very productive stress reliever. When I had my best grades in College, I was putting 2-6 hours a day playing CS:S. While that may be excessive for some it would let me take my mind completely off of my work for a half hour at a time and then get back to work feeling relaxed.

So no they do not have to be teaching you anything to be helpful or productive. I blame us falling behind in the world as a result of them teaching "group think" in school and trying their hand at social engineering. While they claim that they want you to be original and creative, they really want you to think just like the person sitting next to you.

~Weatherlight~

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I think it has more to do with that 'everyone is a winner' bullshit then group think, though group think is a good part.  Sorry, it's not true, and when my son comes home from school, I tell him it's not.  I've also told his teachers I'd prefer they stop preaching that bullshit with the money I pay for his schooling. 'Everyone is a winner' breeds generations of losers and parasites.

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I fully agree it is bullshit. That is one of their biggest pushes in schools when it comes to social engineering, Next to the lie that all people are equal. Not true in the least bit. People socially can be treated and act as equals, but people excel in different areas, where one can be smarter then the other in a specific aspect and are not equal.

Telling kids that if they work hard they can strive to be anything that they want to be is fine and dandy, but at some point they will realize that X Job, is either obtainable or not based on their abilities.

~Weatherlight~

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Ehh.. I think, at least in elementary school, they teach that to keep the kids motivated and working hard. You can't take a pair of kindergarteners and tell one he's better than the other, because that just is asking for Bullying and a kid who no longer wants to go to school. And before you go into the whole "Lets hurt a kindergartener's feelings because thats how it works in the real world" argument..

Remember that if you can inspire them now, and make them feel like if they try, they can do anything they want, it certainly helps thier motivation down the road. Telling a kid he's a failure and just should stop trying is just going to cause him to stop trying, which in turn completely screws up his life down the road.

If you ask me, it's fine to teach that people are equal and everyone is capable of doing good things. Keeping in mind that once you reach 5th grade and beyond, that education style stops, and the hard work begins.

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Except in 5th grade and beyond, that education style DOESN'T stop.

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How long ago were you in school? You are a business owner and at the very least a college graduate. You are what, 30's? 40's?

I am 22, and I graduated a mere 4 years ago. I can tell you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we were taught hard work, getting work done on time, and paying attention will give us the best chances once we graduate. I never once remember a teacher beyond elementary school telling anyone that they can do anything and no matter what, they are a winner. It was work hard, study hard, do well in school, go to college. That was the focus.

Regardless, like I said before, its better to motivate kids than to tell them they are screwed from the onset.

 

[Edit] Thats not to say I don't support being hard on kids once they show habitual disruptivity or non-interest in learning. At that point, separate them and try to help them. If that fails, throw em on thier ass.

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I think you both are right. It varies on teachers, on the school, location (if the location is rich, poor, if the state/city has a history of economic distress, etc.), and other things.

You simply cannot cover the whole educational system under the same light, it's too vast. I've had good teachers, and I've had bad teachers, both in elementary, middle, and high school.

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A nice sentiment, but the video games thing seems like a non-sequitur to me.

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I wished that Obama's experience at PONG would have taught him a little bit about keeping his concerntration during the historic election last year.

Maybe I was wrong.

He is starting to turn into every other politician in America,

When there is a problem, don't blame society, blame the videogames and the Generation Y.

Pick the scapegoats that the majority won't get angry at.

In the 1950's, it was Communism.

In the 1970's, it was the Hippies.

In the 1990's, it was violent TV and Videogames.

 

I guess things take longer to change.

TBoneTony

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He has always been like every other politician out there, people just couldn't see past the fact that he would be the first "Non-European" president (PC enough?)

~Weatherlight~

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"... the fact that he would be the first 'Non-European' president (PC enough?)"

"Non-European" is what you've decided to go with? Because all the other presidents were born in Europe? You might as well say Non-Aryan if that's what you mean. No sense in making a ridiculous statement even more ridiculous by trying to surround a non-PC statement in PC language.

The proper way to say it is this: He's the first black president of the United States.

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You cant say that

~Weatherlight~

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mikedo2007

uh, Obama.

 

If China wasn't a communist country, they would have the same love of videogames as much as US, Japan, and South Korea!!!  India, well, I'm not sure about that. Look, today's kid they don't play and get addicted to game as much as last generation.  The parents are taking much more responsibility on kids and video game.  I'm an avid gamer, but I have a summer internship at NIH so I don't play much video game as I used to.  I only play much on the weekend. 

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Meanwhile, isn't education usually one of the first things on the chopping block when districts, states or the feds have to make budget cuts? Wonder if that has anything to do with us 'falling behind' in math and science?

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It goes even further then that.

Ever been to Delaware?  Horrible schools.  Why? Because they put school funding on voter referendum.  Thus homeowners got to decide that they could lower their taxes by cutting school funding.  I think you can guess what happened....

Even in my area (PA), we had problems with local home owners groups trying to get the school budget slashed so they would pay less on their McMansions.  This included homeowners who had children IN the schools.

Education is not considered a respectable priority in this country, so when you have personal wealth vs communal education, a lot of people will choose to fatten their own wallets rather then waste money on children.  This is made worse by how the mythology around wealth works in this country.  There is a strong meme in American society that puts value on uneducated hard workers (or slick people-persons) who rise up the ranks and become wealthy.  This myth often has elements of 'showing up' the educated 'elite' who are less valuable.

Fixing the school systems is unlikely to be possible without massive social change.

Oddly enough, one of the other reasons schools have dropped... was Star Trek (or it's equivalent).  Media that glorifies education (science and engineering) tends to be rather rare.  When I talk to most scientists and engineers in their 40s-60s, Star Trek is often listed as one of the things that inspired them to study science.  Today?  Have you seen the new Star Trek movie?  No one is going to be inspired by that.  The whole direction sci-fi has taken over the last few decades has been 'more action & special effects' less 'science/engineering/social commentary'.

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Education and policing often get cut first, instead of inane pet projects that help nobody (looking at you, Chicago, how're you enjoying that rash of shootings?  What happened to the whole 'no pistols' in chicago thing anyway?  That worked out well.)

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From the few school districts I have seen the problem isn't money. Yes, their are impoverished schools out there that can't afford some stuff. But they can retain useless personnel at some of the highest paying jobs in the area. (Again, not everywhere but a lot.) As a general rule, throwing money at it doesn't fix it. It's been tried for awhile now and has failed.

First things first, they need to cut out the BS grading and dumbing down of school. If they can't pass they can't pass. Thats the student's problem not the schools.

Second, some teacher unions needs to back off and take some hits. (This could be said about a lot of unions, but that's another topic.) And regulate your own dam members, if they aren't up to snuff drop them. Watching a horrible teacher keep their job because of union politics is infuriating.

Third, the parents and students need to care. A lot do not. Pretty simple.

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They could also do with a Special Services idea in schools. Some Students work with Learning Disabilities (Who thought that up -_-; It effects more then jus' learnin') instead of calling the kids stupid and stuff (They did to me) They ought to have things in place like the colleges do, extended Test times, Note Takers, stuff like that...though not sure a note taker would be needed till jr. high or High school but seriously just little things that fixed everything when I hit college....I caught up in no time because people gave me time and worked with me...instead of calling me stupid and leaving me to die on the side of the road so to speak.

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I guess Education gets cut from the budget in hard times, and THEN they wonder why are people getting dumb.

That is like setting your own house on fire and wondering why you have got nothing left.

TBoneTony

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::COUGH:: BULLSHIT ::COUGH::

God Obama is turning into exactly well exactly every damn president before him; hey I have an agenda and I need a scapegoat and a fear tactic hmmm video games and ooo people are afraid of the commies so lets bring up China.

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 It`s amazing that you see the president`s reference of education numbers as a `fear tactic` and not what it is - a fact.

 

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He's just using new ones.  Oh no, economy, we gotta waste money trying to fix it, oh no, mexican drug cartels having a war across the border, we gotta take your rights away so that they'll see an ease in violence (wouldn't happen, btw), oh no, right-wing extremism, be afraid of 75% of the population, oh no, north korea, we'll send them a very angry letter, oh no, we're hanging Israel out to dry, maybe the muslim's like us, oh no, SWINE FLU PANDEMIC, let's make up cases so the people believe and so we can justify spending 1.5 billion on Tamiflu, which isn't even effective against it (wonder who made money on that purchase?) oh no, if we don't buy companies, they'll collapse, shhh while we move to socialism.

I especially like how he talked about moving 'away from' fear tactics in his campaign. 

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"I especially like how he talked about moving 'away from' fear tactics in his campaign."

While he does stumble into fear tactics every now and then, its hardly on the level used in the previous admin. Terrorist Warning System ring any bells? Something that might be construed as bad, politically happens, and the first thing they do, to divert attention is go, "OMG  LOOK! TERRORIST WARNING  WENT TO ORANGE!!"

Not to mention how many times did we see "Oh No! Terrorists!" used to explain any and all presidential action in that era.. At least Obama is creative and changes his threat..

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The point is he shouldn't be using fear tactics whatsoever. We're past that political bullshit now. He should stop trying to play to the right and be himself. The younger generation is sick to shit of all this political manuvering and are becoming apolitcal, if they aren't already. Obama is making himself look like another corperate and special interest owned politican with no backbone. I think he knows better but he is afraid because he'll lose votes. He's already losing his greatest supporters the younger generation who want this change he was always talking about but not showing.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

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Ehh. I'd say the younger generation are getting more political. I think after the Bush years, they are realizing that they don't want old, rich, and religious individuals making all of thier choices for them.

As for Obama, I knew Obama was a politician from the start, but hes a damn hell of a lot better than Bush and McCain. I like the way he's performed so far, considering the fact that I didn't expect him to change the world, like I'm sure a few dreamers did.

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Chinese play less videogames? I thought I heard something diffrent, but then again China is the country with all the restrictions. Restrictions on internet as well as gaming. Didn't one or two hard core gamers from that country die from excessive gaming? How many gamers from this country do that? I could be wrong, but if they are indeed playing less than we are then it has to do with all the restrictions they have there?

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It's not that they play less games, it's that there are tons of gold sellers and etc. over there.  So MMO's count as working, not gaming.

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Education needs less petty bureaucracy and more inspiring teachers.

Also, indemnifying the teachers so we could have honest discussions would be nice too.

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Indemnifying teachers seems like the quickest way to bankrupt the school system, honestly.  Besides, even in colleges, you're not allowed to talk about any 'controversial' topics like gun control (there's been a rash of people being thrown out of school, threatened with disciplinary action, etc., just for talking about the right to keep and bear arms and whether or not it extends to school grounds.  No matter what your take on CCW on campuses, it's not right to tell adults what they can and can't discuss.).  Hell, if it wasn't for FIRE (not the ACLU, they seem to not care about students being fucked over trying to use their first amendment), many of those students would be expelled.

I agree with the first part though.  Also, they need to waste less money on 'board rooms' and 'staff lounges' (some schools have HUGE board rooms with three or four flat screen TV's in them, like in a few districts in Indiana), and spend more money on, say, functioning, non apple, computers.

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Don't blame Video games and TV, blame the teachers that does not care. I had a math teacher when I was in high school he got fired because more than half the students failed, I had a biology teacher that his only assignment for the day was to read a chapter and do the questions at the end of said chapter. He did not explain anything just had the assignment on the whiteboard and say "Here you go, Due by the end of the day". His idea of standing up and teaching was watching mythbusters. It's a pretty well known fact that some teachers does not care. At least there are some out there that does.

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Actually I would say blame the parents rather then blame the teachers. 

Parents have been forcing the schools to dumb down thier material for decades now.  A high GPA is considered more valuable for getting into college then actual knowledge therefor giving out low grades is a quick way to earn parent's ire, which can result in firing.

This is also one of the reasons so many teachers just don't care anymore.  Why bother teaching when you are basicly being judged at how many award winning GPAs you put out.  That and the poverty inducing paycheck they get.  Teacher's salaries are still based on the assumption that they are mothers working 'on the side' rather then breadwinners.  The lack of respect teachers get in sociaty doesn't help either.  All in all, it is a pretty demoralizing job.

Why are schools working better in india and china? For one.. teachers are actually looked up to, respected members of the community, rather then 'oh, that failure is teaching.  if they were really smart they would be in a job that pays better'  we get here. 

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Exactly, I would love to be a teacher, however...the crap they put up with in this country...and the pay, and everything else you wouldn't get me within 100 feet of a school. I needed to be brought down a grade because I didn't understand and needed to be put back in Remedial math just so I could try and catch up more...my Math Teacher refused to let me go to another class she said I could just fail! And the School didn't help they told my parents "Well Policy says." and they could get away with it because it was the only high school in town.

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mikedo2007

Yeah and also let's not forget about teachers having sexual affair with their students.  You know like Mary Ann Letourneau, Debra Lafave, and Pamela Turner.  Those ladies are a disgrace as teacher.  Sometime I don't understand why are they not going after teacher for not educating student the right way instead of blaming it on video game and TV.  I met a lot of teacher with good inspiration and influences.

 
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E. Zachary KnightGot that same recommendation on Twitter. So I guess that is a good sign.09/15/2014 - 8:39pm
prh99Portlandia, though I don't watch a lot of sitcoms. Heard it was good though.09/15/2014 - 8:02pm
E. Zachary KnightSitcom recommendations for someone who like Parks and Rec but hates The Office: Go.09/15/2014 - 6:08pm
NeenekoEven if they do change their policy, they can only do it moving forward and I could see the mod/pack community simply branching.09/15/2014 - 12:50pm
Michael ChandraAs for take the money and run, the guy must have a networth of 8~9 digits already.09/15/2014 - 10:33am
Michael ChandraMe, I'm more betting on some form of mod API where servers must run donations/payments through them and they take a cut.09/15/2014 - 10:32am
Michael ChandraEspecially since they want it for promoting their phones. Killing user interest is the dumbest move to make.09/15/2014 - 10:32am
Michael ChandraGiven how the EULA actively allows for LPs, I'm not sure Microsoft is ready for the backlash of disallowing that.09/15/2014 - 10:31am
Matthew Wilsonthey wont do that, the backlash would be too big.09/15/2014 - 10:25am
ConsterSleaker: how is that a flipside? Sounds to me like that's basically what Notch himself said, except rudely.09/15/2014 - 10:18am
MaskedPixelanteOn the plus side, no more lazy Minecraft LPs, since iirc Microsoft has a strict "no monetization period" policy when it comes to their stuff.09/15/2014 - 10:13am
james_fudgeBut it continues to sell on every platform it is on, so there's that09/15/2014 - 10:09am
james_fudgeOh, well that's another matter :)09/15/2014 - 10:08am
E. Zachary KnightNothing against Notch here. I think it is great that he made something so cool. I just can't understand how it is worth $2.5 bil09/15/2014 - 9:59am
InfophileWhat a world we live in: Becoming a billionaire was the easy way out for Notch.09/15/2014 - 9:42am
james_fudgelots of hate for Notch here. I don't get it. Sorry he made a game everyone loved. What a monster he is!09/15/2014 - 9:37am
SleakerOn the flipside, Notch has been a horrible CEO for Mojang, and the company has grown on sheer inertia, DESPITE being mishandled over and over.09/15/2014 - 9:33am
SleakerI can understand Notch's statements he made to Kotaku about growing bigger than he intended, and getting hate for EULA changes he didn't enact.09/15/2014 - 9:32am
MaskedPixelantehttp://pastebin.com/n1qTeikM Notch's statement about the MS acquisition. He wanted out for a long time and this was the easiest way.09/15/2014 - 9:08am
ConsterEh, I can't blame him.09/15/2014 - 9:01am
 

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