Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So Much...

June 13, 2009 -

Rev. James Dobson, the politically influential, conservative evangelical leader of nonprofit group Focus on the Family, has given a green light to some video games while offering warnings about violent an sexual content as well as possible game addiction in regard to others.

Dobson's comments appeared in his newspaper column in response to a question from a parent about their son's video gaming:

Depending on the particular games in question, you may have a valid cause for concern... two University of Michigan researchers concluded in 2007 that violent media, including television, film and video games, pose a significant public health threat...

Furthermore, some video games add unhealthy sexual themes and profanity to the mix, not to mention that the American Medical Association estimates one in 10 video gamers is addicted.

Of course, not all video games are problematic. Certain sports games, for instance, can be loads of fun. Some can even be educational...

I’d advise you to put clear limits on the amount of time your son will be allowed to spend with video games... Insist he avoid the troublesome ones altogether...

GP: Dobson is referring to the 2007 Huesmann-Bushman study.


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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Er, the Bible is pretty violent media...

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Dr. Dobson has always (in my book) been pretty level headed. I'm sorry he's been misled by the flawed studies, but he gives some good advice for parental monitoring. Don't assume all games are bad, but keep a reasonable limit on time and content.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

"Homosexuals are not monogamous. They want to destroy the institution of marriage. It will destroy marriage. It will destroy the Earth." -James Dobson


Yeah, completely level headed. Sane even.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

The sane, levelheaded, monogamous homosexuals are either not paid attention to by our media, not out there, or otherwise not screaming out about who they are. The latter two are what is socially acceptable and desirable, as the people that are the loudest are usually not on the up and up (I.E. politicians), or at least that is what we are taught to believe.

You can hang the man based on his ignorance, or attempt to teach. It's hard to find positive, gay role models. Not because they don't exist, but because they aren't parading around like blithering idiots.

He can only make decisions based on the information he has and who he is. Apparently, he's gotten new information on video games and made a statement about it. Unlike Thompson, who will lump super mario world in with manhunt 2 uncensored, this guy seems to be willing to listen.

If you're just interested in blowing off steam, that's fine. But this guy's shown himself to be receptive to change, so why not finding out how to make contact with him and writing him a polite letter about this issue?

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

So just because he says something slightly sane on the issue of videogames, I should throw away the decades of homophobic content he spoke to parents which likely led to the deaths by suicide of many gays and lebians in America? Pardon my french, but Fark that Shiat, it doesn't work that way. But nice to know that you really don't know shiat about how significantly stupid your acceptance of the man is. Really.

Just because he says one thing positive about my interest, doesn't mean I have to throw away the decades of deadly ignorance. That shiat don't fly.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

so why not finding out how to make contact with him and writing him a polite letter about this issue?

Because he is old and will die soon.

 

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Yeah, he's also in power and apparently is sympathetic to video games, considering the games mentioned in the full article.

GP is awesome at slanting their excerpts of articles. I'll give you a hint if you haven't read my other posts here: He talks about america's army.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Evangelists are in power now? That has to be the U.S.A.s worst kept secret I suppose.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Nice try. Here's a bit of a semantics lesson:

When I say "In power" in this instance, I do not mean that he rules the world, nor the U.S., nor even a state, nor even a city, a town, or a neighborhood. We can say that these are extremes and absolutes. He doesn't even rule the people in his congregation.

However, he does influence their opinions. Most people in power get very very rigid for fear of losing that power, he's shown himself willing to say things that some of his congregation very likely disagrees with.

So he's in power, not afraid to use it, and is stepping out from the safety of his crowd, when he could just stick with folks like jack thompson and whats-his-face from westboro, and get all the praise he wants.

And here's a lesson on human nature!

People are like dogs by nature. While often much more complex than it first seems, for a person to do something there must be a reward. From scratching their ass (the itch stops) to not doing it in public (it offends others, which generally makes less good things happen) to leading a congregation.

There's a whole lot of negative that can befall him from him or his congregation perceiving him misleading them. If there is no positive/reward/benefit to him changing, he's going to sit on his hands and take no risks. He took a risk, and while it wasn't a complete "come when called" (as far as dog commands go), he took steps in the desired direction.

So while we can't control the actions of others and actions of people reacting to him, we can ourselves provide praise and encouragement for him to take a few more steps towards us. Or we can bludgeon him so that he steps back, away from us, towards the side that provides him more benefit.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

I'll be honest with you, I'm replying without reading that.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

It seems the poor old man mistook the word Homosexual for Homosapien.  An honest, yet dumb, mistake.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

And the bible is STILL violent media.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Oh, there's no doubt; and while we're on the subject, it's also pretty sexual. However, even the Bible is treated with discretion in the church, and even parental guidence. I hear you have to be like 21 in the Catholic church before you can read the Song of Solomon (no offence if I'm wrong).

Point being, it's not out-and-out hypocracy as long as we regard everything with the same standards.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

I remember that book being mentioned in my Old Testament class. I believe Judaism has regulation on it too, or it may be Judaism you're thinking of.

 

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

That is startlingly lucid and reasonable for Dobson.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Its nice to seem some level headed response from them, the more clear/sane and coherent they are the less silly and dismisable they are.

 


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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

I wouldn't say that calling the sorts of sexual themes we see in games 'unhealthy' is level-headed.  If mild sexual themes are 'unhealthy' then the human race - which needs a lot more than mere suggestive sexual themes in order to survive - is doomed.

As for profanity, I never heard of anyone having health issues from overindulgence in profanity.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Well sexaul content of any kind for kids can be some what questionable then again it can go over there head still theres nothign with saying 'HEY LISTEN'*dives and grabs shotgun...oh sorry....auto matic responce...* watch what youer kids do, whitch all this boils down to.

 


I am a criminal because I purchase media,I am a criminal because I use media, I am a criminal because I chose to own media..We shall remain criminals until Corporate stay's outside our bedrooms..


http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com


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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

There's also the adolescent way it is typically handled. Other than the Mass Effect thing there aren't many games that I can think of that handle the topic in a truly mature way. Of course, hopefully videogames aren't one's sole source of information regarding these things.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

he's probably talking about prostitution. which (due to STDs) is very often an unhealthy practice

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

In one of the only two states in which prostitution is legal (Nevada), it is heavily regulated, requires background and frequent (weekly) STD checks, has laws which prohibit prostitution outside of brothels or encouraging others to join the practice, and MANDATES condom use for intercourse for its customers.

STDs are always unhealthy. So is working with liquid metal, or digging for coal- that's why you set down precautions for them. A smart business keeps their employees safe and happy as their customers.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

A smart business keeps their employees safe and happy as the government forces them to.

Fixed.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

I think what you meant was:

"A smart business keeps their employees safe and happy as union groups bitch at them to, lest they be threatened with pointless, whiney legal action supplemented with mafia-style threats".

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

You must do things differently in the U.S.

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