Obama Names Video Games as Health Concern in Speech to A.M.A.

June 15, 2009 -

In a speech to the American Medical Association in Chicago today, President Obama mentioned video games as a factor in unhealthy, sedentary lifestyles.

As reported by the New York Times, Obama addressed the AMA as part of his drive to build support for sweeping healthcare reform. The Wall Street Journal's Health blog has the full text of the President's remarks. Here's what he said about video games:

The second step that we can all agree on is to invest more in preventive care so that we can avoid illness and disease in the first place. That starts with each of us taking more responsibility for our health and the health of our children. It means quitting smoking, going in for that mammogram or colon cancer screening. It means going for a run or hitting the gym, and raising our children to step away from the video games and spend more time playing outside.

In other speeches, Obama has frequently linked video games to academic underachievement.


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While I agree it could be a factor to sedentary lifestyle, one sould not rule out the factor of sedentism vs sedentirization. Where are nomadic peoples supposed to go once the world has been conquered? They're to go exploring and creating alternate, virtural realities.

Until we reach the age of space exploration, the term "sedentary lifestyle" could be both an oxymoronic misnomer and a potential misdiagnosis.

I say the solution is to develop a more physical and immersive way to interact with these "new worlds" we create... until we can explore the actual ones that exist in physical space.

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Nice Post.

(I have of late, but wherefore I know not, lost all my keys...)

(I have of late, but wherefore I know not, lost all my keys...)

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 Jedidethfreak, please, please, tell me you read newspapers, and have done so for more than the first 100+ days of Obama's presidency?!?

"It's not my fault that Barack Obama wants nothing to do with any of this.  He'd rather become friends with terrorist nations and bankrupt the country."

Bankrupt the country? Oh, you mean necessarily had to bail out the banks and the auto industry (which had become a bloated, unrealistic business - look what GM did to the electric car). He's trying to fix everything the least popular Preisdent on record (Dubya, just to be clear, in case you've not read that either) has screwed up. Not to mention inheriting the sham of a war in Iraq thanks to "WMDs" that never even existed!

I particularly like your "I want to keep the money I make.  I want America to have the best education..." said in practically the same breath, despite being completely contradictory! Tell me, what would pay for the "best education" if not taxes, some of which necessarily *have* to come from the money you make?

But the best of all? People have, time and again, pointed out ways in which you have been utterly, utterly wrong. Not points about your opinions, but FACTS. And you don't even take it on board! You just steamroller on through. Your sig says

"Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth."

Well, you might want to look up the word truth sometime.

"I want America kept safe from terrorism, which means not being "nice" to people that want America to burn."

Actually, it doesn't mean that at all. Did you ever ask why some people want America to burn? I'm not saying they're right (more often than not, far from it) but to not even question this, to just mentally stonewall any possibility of the fact that like an individual, a nation can also make mistakes from time to time, speaks of a frighteningly closed mind. Then again, you'd just call me a pinko liberal, right?

I'll leave you with a real question though, because of all your statements and references to facism, this one stuck out to me the most - "I want people to take responsibility for their own actions, instead of blaming white men for all of their problems."

So, by 'people' there, given the rest of the sentence after the comma, you mean, non-white men? So, my question is this...

Are you for real?

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You know, it help if a lot of schools weren't cutting recess in middle school and lower, the cuts to PE programs certainly doesn't help either. Nevermind the utter garbage still being served for lunch in many schools to go along with it. Nevermind highschool.....

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This.  Not to mention music classes.  But we need to make sure that they take sensitivity training.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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If it results in less douchebag pricks like you walking the halls of thier highschool calling everyone "faggot" and beating up anyone who happens to be different, then god damn, bring on the sensitivity training. It is people like you who are fucking up this country. People like you are why the rest of the world is finally getting SICK and TIRED of America's cocky motherfucking attitude and the way we act like we are head and shoulders over the rest.

NEWSFLASH: America has problems. We have one of the least healty societies among industrialized countries. We have more gun violence and violent crimes in this country than most "Civilized" society. Racism, sexism, and Discrimination against gays runs rampant throughout our country.

And it is people like you, who choose to ignore or make these problems worse, that are the ruining this country. It is a small miracle that you and your retarded bretheren have been booted from power, and one can only hope that it remains that way for a LONG motherfucking time.

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I've never seen so much stupidity in one place. Thanks guys for reminding me why I don't read the GP comments sections anymore.

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It's hilarious watching people try to twist an innocuous statement like "kids are spending too much time inside playing games these days" into a condemnation of video games as a whole, or foreshadowing for some sort of "imminent" draconian media censorship policy.

Hilarious and scary, because I realize that so many of you are of voting age.

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People are too polarized these days.  Some people absolutely hate the President, and so they assume that anytime someone agree with him, they must be brainwashed fanatics bowing and scrapping at his feet.  To some, you must either love him or hate him and everything he says, unconditionally.

They're also polarized about video games.  You should say only positive things about them, always.  And if you even casually link a negative to video games in any way, well, you must hate games and are plotting their downfall through legislation.

So, nevermind that the only message that Obama is trying to to convey is, "Hey fatty, try moving once and a while, and make sure your kids don't sit there all day, either.  You're killing yourself and costing the health care system millions."  He's not calling for a ban on games.  He's not saying that games are too violent, or that they make you go insane.  He's saying, being too sedentary is bad for your health, so go do something.

Yeesh, what an evil bastard to care if our children are healthy...

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Oh my freaking god I can't read any more of the comments. A large group of you all are idiots when it comes to these sorts of politics. Obama sucks. Bush sucked. Both are doing bad things for the country. Bush stripped away social liberties and Obama is fiscally fucking up the country. That's it. Deal with who you've voted in. Done. I'm all for a revolution when someone starts it, because we're long overdue for one.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." - United States Declaration of Independence, 1776

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

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Tell you what.. You go ahead and start that revolution. You will end up just like so many of the crazy "patriot" assholes in the past. Either dead or in Jail.

The bottom line is that we now live in what SHOULD be a civilized society. All of this bitching and whining when it comes to people vs. politicians is quite literally because they lose thier election.

Keep in mind, Im not accusing you of being a republican. I'm just saying that since you seem to hate both sides equally, you obviously feel like you aren't really being represented.

Unfortunately, thats the consequences of a 2 party system. Only the fringes and the absolute middle aren't very well represented. However, like I said before, to revolt would be suicide, and really, really stupid.

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"I'm all for a revolution when someone starts it"

Wow, so brave! You're a true armchair patriot!

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Careful! The government might drag you away for your double-plus ungood thoughts.

(or for being a military veteran, or a Christian, or pro-life, or conservative... shame on you, you horrible terrorists. SHAME!)

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You are a fucking idiot.

The DHS report was right on the money.

Look at the Holocaust Museum Shooter, the guy who killed that Tiller guy, as well as the Pittsburgh Cop Shooter.

Each and every one of them were right wing crazies. They all committed terrorist acts. These acts are actually happening faster than I can ever remember in the past.

Granted, I was 10 years old in 1997, but still..

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Yeah, they were right-wing crazies, that's why they both hated Fox News and the RNC, right?  No, they were both just crazy.  Stop trying to blame people you don't agree with for everything that's wrong in the world.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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Stop trying to blame people you don't agree with for everything that's wrong in the world.

From what I have read on here take your own advice

 

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Ahhh these comments are fun. :) Everyone sounds off about how wrong ignorant politicians (or wannabe politicians) are about how bad videogames are for people and how no one should speak ill of them in the name of 'The Children'... until the O-Man speaks up. Then a select group of people go, "Guys, guys! GUYS! You just don't get it... he has a point! I mean... I'm a total fat-ass! It's all true! And all the kids I see are fat little bastards, too!"

Anyways, when you look at the statement 'Too much gaming can cause health problems.' the key words in there are 'too much'. Perhaps videogame boxes should come with 'nutritional facts' that give a 'serving size' and whatnot... then again, when you consider the fact that many people tend to ignore suchs facts on bags of Oreos and other delicious treats... *sigh*

Personal responsibility... it's a bitch, huh?

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Its funny when Bush-worshippers post irony without realizing it.

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Bush-worshiper? Hardly. In fact, I think of Obama as simply being two Bushes duct taped together. In other words, I really don't have a very high opinion of either of them.

Mr.Pat, you are terrible at 'reading' people. Please stop trying.

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Oh I disagree, you're very much like the people I deal with elsewhere who claim to hate both parties equally but only bash democrats while defending republicans. You've certainly made a habit of doing that today. I have no problem admitting I consider democrats to be a step up from republicans; they aren't much better, but its a step in the right direction from eight years of crap. I'm willing to give them a chance, unlike some people here who judged some of them to be failures after a whopping four days.

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Oh darn... you're right. I forgot. When it comes to Obama, criticising ANYTHING he says means that you're 'bashing' him. I'm truly sorry, Mr.Pat. Sometimes I forget we have different standards for Obama.

I mean, that has to be why you consider me to be a democrat basher, right? It couldn't simply be that you've decided that based upon this one critique I've had of Obama, and my one counter of democratic stereotyping to your, "Republicans are the party of hatred." statement earlier, right?

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Different standards? I'm giving him the same amount of time to prove himself and the same benefit of the doubt on his decisions that I gave the last guy before him. How is that giving him different standards?

I consider you a democrat-basher because of your firm defence of one of the most bitter partisans visiting this site. You certainly didn't bother to go after someone else stereotyping Obama to be a socialist and a communist, so why shouldn't I think that? As for my "party of hatred comment", as long as the people on freerepublic think torture to be fine and dandy, call the Tiller shooter and the church shooter before him national heroes, admiring hatemongers like Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity as patriotic Americans, throwing people out of their party who aren't 100% lockstep with them, wishing for a sitting presedent to fail regardless of the cost on our country, and wishing for a terrorist attack to happen on his watch to have their positions justified, my point stands.

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Point goes to Mr.Pat.

Master_e (The Conservative Moron trying to masquerade as a Moderate, HAH!), has been shut out in every sense of the word.

GG, guys, GG..

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Ahh... name calling. Very mature. You spoke of bitterness, Mr.Pat? 

Whoomp!... there it is. ;)

In any case, why should I rag on republicans in an article that only focuses on things said by Obama?

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I won't deny it. I am bitter. I don't like conservatives.

They are actively standing in the way of turning this deeply flawed society into something better.

They think its ok to descriminate against people because of thier Sexual Orientation.

They also think its ok to capture, torture, and kill innocent civilians of foriegn countries, because hell, they aren't American.

They also think that constantly claiming at the top of thier lungs that AMERICA IS TEH BESTZORES! is the only way to communicate with foriegn countries, and that anyone who doesn't agree can just deal with the business end of our military.

Finally, they also think that its ok to let a kid suffer and fail right off the bat in school if he isn't smart enough to keep up.

Screw attempting to help EVERYBODY in a society. Lets just make sure that everyone who has the means is sucessful. Fuck everybody else, no matter how much or how little they deserve it.

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Someone's getting it.

 

http://www.vgshuffle.com Games aren't evil, but evil people play games.

http://www.vgshuffle.com Games aren't evil, but evil people play games.

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So Obama gives good advice and us gamers chalk it up as a bad thing. Even though I play games and excersise, you guys as gamers know that games can be addicting.

Playing games late into the night have made me late for a class or two in college... same with girls, but you know gaming excessively can make one gain weight.

 

http://www.vgshuffle.com

Games aren't evil, but evil people play games.

http://www.vgshuffle.com Games aren't evil, but evil people play games.

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No eating more calories than your lifestyle requires will cause you to gain weight.

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Jesus fucking christ.

All the dude said was encourage your kids to spend some time outside. What the fuck is wrong with that. Comsidering your one of the most obese nations in the world maybe there is an element of truth. It's not like he's saying video games are the devil or anything.

And Jedi and Austin need to chill the fuck out out. I don't have time to go into it all. But Jedi communism and facism are two completly seperate conflicting ideologies, what you said was just dumb.

Austin, I don't give a fuck what you say people who earn of 200k a year are greedy. Ok maybe not if they give it all away to charity or something. The point is no one needs over 200k a year when people are starving. Plain and simple. Sure you earned it and 'worked hard' but fuck it, unless you give most of it away to people who actually NEED stuff like I dunno FOOD, then yeah your greedy.

Gosh this site makes me so angry sometimes.

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I'm sorry you don't like the fact that I work hard to make money so I can do the things I want to do and provide the life for my family that I want them to be able to live.  Thankfully, I make far more than 200k a year. By the way, before the change in tax law, I was able to give about 200K  to charities.  Under the Obama tax code, I will give nothing to charity; before, I could get a tax deduction for it, now I can't. 

If people need money for stuff like food, why don't they do some damn work?  I know couples who survive off of 800 dollars a month (and 600 of it goes to housing!)  Why should I pay for those who choose not work?  Why should I pay for the skank who won't close her legs, then abuses her children?  Why should I pay for the trash who simply refuse to take part in society? 

On another note, why shouldn't I strive to live a better life if I wish to put in the work?  Because your teachers told you we're all equal?  So you don't feel bad that you make nowhere near what I do because you flip burgers and I have my own consulting company?  Yeah, go fuck yourself.  If you don't want to strive for a better life for yourself or your family, fine.  But don't give me this bullshit about 'greedy'.  You don't like it?  Go fuck off to a commune, where everyone 'shares'.  Jackass.

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Wow, what a great human being you are - "I won't help others because it doesn't benefit ME more than them".

 

And you wonder why republicans are considered the party of hatred.

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"Down with capitalism! It's a system that only benefits the greedy! Booo! Hiissss! ... so, hey, can you give us money? We haven't done jack shit to earn any, so we'd like a hand-out please. You still suck, though."

And you wonder why democrats are considered societal barnacles that want people that have done absolutely nothing to earn anything to receive everything. I assume Mr. Lewis would like to donate to charities that actually help people that ARE unable to work and can't get by on their own... instead, a good bulk of that money is being given to, well... societal barnacles that have done absolutely nothing to earn anything.

And his being able to receive a tax deduction is not benefiting him MORE than charities receiving his money. More than likely, it's biggest help is to keep the cycle going so he can continuously donate. Yeah, what a bastard...

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Thank you so much for proving how hateful and bitter the current republican party has become. That reply of yours fit the description almost perfectly. I dare say Ann coulter would be quite proud of you for that display of spite and anger for someone who dared to disagree with you.

Thats quite a nice way you belittle the lower class asa whole as parasitic welfare abusers too. Given how much bitterness you have towards people outside your pwn party it no wonder you've been getting your asses kicked in elections since 06. Given the pattern of kicking out and/or belittling sll the moderates in your party, its growing more and more likely that a viable third party will form, rise up, and take power sooner than you get any back, and most people wouldn't even have a problem with that.

But you go ahead and continue to call your sitting president the second coming of Hitler, the man who is single-handedly destroying our country, and blaming him for everything that goes wrong in your miserable lives from stubbing your toe on up. you certainly haven't amped your persecution complex up enough yet.

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First of all... I'm not the one that's posting replies to every little sub-section of comments on this article trying to toss my near-sighted hate at anyone I perceive to be <insert party here> because they have a difference of opinion with me... you are. As a matter of fact, that is exactly why I replied to you. I simply felt like defending Austin_Lewis against your holier than thou rhetoric.

Secondly? I'm not a republican. I just happen to believe that what you said in your last post was utter bullshit. That's all. :)

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Right, so you defend the guy who takes any opportunity he can get to bash democrats, but you have a problem with the guy who calls him out on it. Sound logic.

I also didn't realize that posting less than half a dozen times in the entire topic to equate to "posting to every little subsection of comments".

Nice projection btw of anyone who disagrees with austin or republicans in general to be automatic liberals. The only things I have in common with them is that after eight years of being called a traitor and terrorist sympathizer by republicans over any difference of opinion whatsoever has made me put those people at the bottom of the barrel politically and as human beings, and I couldn't be happier that they're out of power.

 

But you go on ahead and keep defending the known partisans - its very "independent" of you.

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 Well, I don’t see where I’ve called you a democrat, exactly. The only reason I even mentioned democrats was because you made such a broad statement on republicans… I figured one good stereotype deserved another.

As for the situation with Austin…you made a rude, hateful statement about how he decides to give HIS money to charity. It pissed me off that YOU were being such an ass. So, I spoke up.

Make no mistake. Right now I really don’t have much an issue with any political party. In this thread? I simply do not agree with your political views... and you can't handle that. ;P

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Excuse me, but he openly admitted that he was going to give absolutely nothing to charity because it doesn't benefit him. He made the decision and blames Obama for it, as if he makes his decisions for him now. I happen to find that, and his stereotyping of people on the receiving end to be hateful. He posts hateful comments in just about every Obama thread that gets posted here, but thats all honky-dory, right?

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Master_E hit it right on the money.

A) I know what the charities give to and how the money is spent.  I can also, often on demand, look at how the moeny will be spent,  based on how its been spent in the past.  I can also put into things like scholarships, or decide who receives my money, instead of watching teen skanks who can't close their legs spend it on themselves while neglecting their children.

B) The tax deduction allows me to keep giving money to charities without needing to worry about changing my budget.  It also allows me to contribute every year, regardless of how the year goes for me.

C) The great thing about giving to charities is that, unlike government programs, when the charity's programs are failures, they're quickly ended.  Otherwise, I can take my money to a different charity that has some success with whatever the subject is. 

D) Yes, I love how the same people who hold out their hands for free stuff seem to constantly be trash-talking educated people and people who make money.  They hate capitalism, but it pays for their sloth.  Hilarious.

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The doctrine of "only what you need" is bullshit and destructive.

My mother doesn't need a mammogram yearly when other people are starving to death.

People don't need to live past their productive years into retirement when all their assets could be used for more productive purposes. Hell they tend to be a drag on the health care system. Think of all the food that old people waste. Imagine all the poor starving children you could feed with it.

You don't need your computer, your internet connection, your chair, your plumbing,or the food you bought at the store.

You don't need to live past the subsistence level, but you do you selfish little fuck.

 

 

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Well the point was really that it was over 200k, which is enough to live comfortably.

And yes your right to a point, I am selfish and thats not a good thing, im not perfect. That doesnt change the fact of the matter though.

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When you begin using the doctrine of need, it doesn't matter how much you make or how much you give away. Its never good enough for those in charge.

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And as long as I realize that I don't really care when people like you get their panties in a bunch. 

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Was there any point to that statement?

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I believe that if kids are going to go outside, parents need to be there so THEY know how to be safe.

Their parents can help them to be safe outside.

I feel that parents are too busy to simply look after their own children sometimes, and that is MORE of a problem for most parents who have two working parents.

So it is always important to have a scheduled day off to spend time with their kids. Also to give parents 2 weeks off during the school holidays so they can go on family vacations.

So if I was Obama, I will try to promote that into the working structure and encourage companies to start going those sorts of things like some of them do for workers with disabilities.

 

TBoneTony

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I'll be honest, I can't really fault him for his stance.  Yes, today's youth are too sedentary.  And tech toys like tv and video games are a huge part of that.  Games aren't the villan, though, and I don't think he's saying that.  He's just saying, turn the damn thing off once in a while.  And don't let your children grow up with Mario as their babysitter.

Hey, as long as he doesn't go off on the typical "violence and sex" arguements, I'm going to leave him to his views.

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Obama was boo'd many times at this event

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I'm sure you did your best.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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I love all the complaints here.  I mean, how dare he suggest that we'd be healthier if we exercised more.  I mean, it's not like America's got an obesity problem... oh wait.

I do agree with some of the comments here, though.  Saying we should all play outside more is kind of a no brainer.  Some effort towards giving children good places to go play would be more effective.

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It's also the fact that a lot of gamers (stupidly) like Obama, and he's trying to lay groundwork to regulate (control), if not completely destroy (like the car companies), our industry.

I've been saying since he got on the national scene that he's going to make this a communist nation.  What makes video games so special that he isn't going to try and destroy them too?

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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One worst case senario is that he'll nationalize all Media(including our industry) in the near future if he's hellbent on doing so(right now he's Completely screwed up the car industry by Partialy nationalizing the car companies)

The other Worst case senario is a possibilty of what cavoto(yes. I'm quoting a fox(Business) news Guy here)said a "fat" czar(Would obama quit naming people czars at the same time he's trying to quit smoking dope)

other than that the only option I'm possibily seeing here is the "fat" czar may happen instead of the Nationalizing all media part

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

 
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MonteIt does seem like GG spends more time trying to defned itself from accusations than actually talking about journalism; hence one reason why they keep coming back to the topic of feminists despite them having nearly nothing to do with gaming journalism11/21/2014 - 12:36pm
Wonderkarpwhat do you mean "Their own fault"? are you saying its Gamergates fault that the 11 dead gamer articles were written? that it was GamerGates fault when they got together to cry out that they were shouted down by louder megaphones?11/21/2014 - 12:35pm
NeenekoThere is unity of attack, and unity of defense, but not of message or identity. Which the group's own defensiveness has blinded to them since it is chalked up to 'media is out to get us' as opposed to their own fault.11/21/2014 - 12:10pm
NeenekoOh unity I will give you, it is one of the group's weakest points.11/21/2014 - 12:07pm
WonderkarpI dont think so. There's a lot of Unity in Gamergate. OPSkynet has only strengthend the group and brought people together. and I spent a couple months "Gorillas in the Mist"ing the group11/21/2014 - 11:54am
NeenekoYou might be a bit too deep in that trench then if you are missing the other factions.11/21/2014 - 11:51am
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/11/21/sunset-overdrive-free-this-saturday/ Sunset Overdrive free on the XBO tomorrow only.11/21/2014 - 11:43am
Wonderkarpthere also arent "Various Factions" in GamerGate. No Harrassment has been linked directly too GamerGate. I'm deep in the trenchs and there arent any factions.11/21/2014 - 11:38am
NeenekoI would disagree that it has 'never been the case', for various factions perhaps not, but what made GG blow up was the intersection between submerged issues, and that is one of them.11/21/2014 - 11:33am
 

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