G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

June 18, 2009 -

The unexpected gamer protest against Valve's E3 announcement of Left 4 Dead 2 has left more than a few obervers perplexed.

Add the name of G4's Adam Sessler to the list of those who don't get what the whining is about. On his latest Soapbox segment Sessler takes the L4D2 protesters to task:

We're going down that path again - this shocking, amazing sense of entitlement that always manifests itself in the gaming community... Valve does not have a habit of screwing people and if there was ever a developer out there I would just kind of give them the benefit of the doubt...

 

They don't owe you anything. It's a business... Where were you brought up and in what environment where you hugged so overwhelmingly that you feel that you need to be served as the only person that needs to be considered when other people are making commercial properties? It really is a little bit on the naive side and slightly embarrassing... It's kind of juvenile... The Internet, when it comes to games, can be such a nation of whiners...

Via: Gaming Today


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Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

If you are happy with this half game, more power to you.  The campaigns get boring about the second play through and the versus modes about one play sooner.  I bought the game because the demo was good, as far as demos go.  But unfortuantely the game didn't offer anything that the beta didn't.

So sorry, Valve isn't getting my money for L4D2.  I'm not going to pay for a second incomplete game.  And guess what?  Despite what you think I have every right not to buy L4D2.  Can you handle that, or does it hurt your sensitive corporate whore sensibilities?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

 But unfortuantely the game didn't offer anything that the beta didn't.

-except for 15 more levels, more versus options, etc., etc.

At no point did I say you should buy L4D2.  In fact, I'm glad you won't be, as I've REPEATEDLY stated (reading comprehension will do you some good).  I said you're not entitled to anything. 

Of course, I love the constant 'corporate whore' line from a person with the mind of a child and a 'appease me' attitude towards a multinational corporation.  This isn't like buying a game that doesn't work, you made a poor purchasing decision (or you have ADHD, which seems far more likely), didn't enjoy the game (probably because you suck at it or kept getting kicked for being a whiny little bitch), and now you're complaining because you feel they owe YOU something.  You have the mentality of a five year old, and the reading comprehension of a retard.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

You see the thing is they do owe me something.  You see business works by having something a person wants.  Then that person in return gives that buisiness money in return for what they want.  If the company doesn't or can't provide that person with what they want then they won't have a customer.

And can you honestly say you aren't fucking sick of the campigns, even a little?  After about a month of play I couldn't stand to look at the hallways of Mercy fucking hospital even one more time. 

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

However, you, like many children, don't really know what you want, or didn't do enough research on the game to see if you'd like it.  Then you say they owe YOU something?  They don't.  They owe the public, and they delivered to the public, and the vast majority like it.  You're an outlier, and chances are great that Valve doesn't give a fuck about you, and are more than glad (as are the rest of us) that you won't be buying L4D2.  The rest of us will buy it, so they don't give a fuck that one ego-centric child didn't enjoy it, and they don't need to spend time kissing YOUR ass and giving YOU what YOU think you deserve. 

And that, little boy, is called reality.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

If valve doesn't give the people what they want, then Vavle doesn't get money.  This is a simple concept.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Except for the fact that most of the people who have L4D love the game.  Therefore, they have given the people what they want.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

If you look there are a number of people who aren't happy and won't be giving up any more of their money.  Valve isn't some fucking charity I'm going to give my money away without a thought to.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

That's right, you don't owe valve a thing, and they don't owe you a thing.  That was my whole goddamn point, and it seems to have taken you three damn hours to pick up on.  Thank god you won't be on the L4D2 servers.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

No, you see your whole problem is your mental seizure you have with the word entitlement.  I've known from the get-go that Valve doesn't have to do anything to fulfill it's customers wants.  But if they make this choice then why the hell should they get our money?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

But, and let me type this in caps so maybe it'll finally sink in, YOU AREN'T 'THE PEOPLE', YOU'RE AN INDIVIDUAL, AN OUTLIER, AND A WHINY LITTLE BITCH.  THE GAME SATISFIED MOST OTHERS, YOU'RE ONE OF THE FEW WHINING CHILDREN, SO NO ONE GIVES HALF A FLYING FUCK THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THE GAME.  Valve doesn't need your money, there are plenty of others who will buy their next quality Left 4 Dead title.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

If valve doesn't give the people what they want, then the people won't give valve money.  You and Sessler need to accept that and move the fuck on.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Left 4 Dead 2 IS what the people want.  Just because it's not what YOU want, doesn't mean its not what everyone else wants.  And your local gamestop can confirm it for you.  Just ask how many people have pre-ordered it. And stop being a self-centered little cunt while you're at it.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Oh really?  Just me then?  Because I could have sworn that there are other dissatisfied customers, many of them.  But we should just all shut the fuck up and shell out all of our money to our corporate overlords right?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Once again, the 30,000 that signed that petition don't even make up a tenth of a percent of the people who bought left 4 dead.  You aren't a representative group; as I've said repeatedly, you're the outlier.  The greedy, self-centered, 'gimme free stuff' outliers. 

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

And yet again you think that people should give away their money to a company for a product they don't want.  Accept the fact that some people aren't going to buy your beloved Left4Beta2 and move the fuck on.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Hey, read these:

Please, don't buy the game.  One less crybaby to leave when he's getting his ass kicked.

We'll be all too happy for you to not play L4D2.  If you feel like it sucked, please don't.  However, you aren't 'entitled' to a damn thing, and corporations don't exist to kiss your ass.  Grow up, maybe leave the house once in a while.

Instead, you complain that you (and a very small minority) feel you were fucked, and say you won't buy it again.  Whatever, please don't.  But don't pretend you're entitled to something that you didn't pay for. That's immature and absolutely retarded. 

I've said repeatedly that no one cares if you don't buy the game.

If you don't like it, feel free to not buy it.  Just realize that no one cares that you don't, not even Valve.

*END*

So, as you've seen from previous posts, I'm more than happy for you and the people who are whining because they don't feel they got what they're entitled to not purchase the game and pollute the servers.  But don't sit there and act like the company owes you something to appease your minority of brats, children, and jackasses.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

You really are stupid you know that?

I am under no obligation to buy L4D2 if I am dissapointed with the direction, or lack thereof that the original went. 

I am allowed to have a negative opionion of the game.

So, what the fuck is YOUR problem?  You act as if somehow someone not liking a game you like is a personal insult against you. 

Calm the fuck down, go to your doctor, get him to increase your dosage.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

You are, without a doubt, the dumbest fucker on this site.  At no point did I say you're obligated to buy this game.  If you weren't born as the result of incest, I'm sure you'd have figured this out by now.  At no point did I say you weren't allowed to have a negative opinion of this game, no matter how awesome it is. 

What I said was that, and let's do it in caps so maybe, just maybe, you'll finally read it, VALVE DOESN'T OWE YOU A GODDAMN THING, SO DON'T ACT LIKE THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU FREE STUFF TO KEEP YOUR BUSINESS, BECAUSE GUESS WHAT?  THEY DON'T GIVE HALF A FUCK ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS. 

Adam Sessler was absolutely right; you're acting like they need to do just what YOU want so you'll buy L4d2.  But you know what?  They don't care if you don't buy it.  I hope that you will NOT buy it.  God knows, you need to spend the time learning some goddamn reading comprehension so you don't bring down our countries already mediocre test scores instead of playing video games.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Guess what?  I don't owe Valve a damn thing, so I guess we're even.  They don't meet the customers wants and they don't get our money.  It's a lose/lose situation, for them anyways.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Is there a reason why you have the reading comprehension of a gnat?  Seriously man, use your brain just a tiny bit and attempt to comprehend what other people are saying.

Actually, you know what?  Never mind.  Please, just keep doing what you're doing.  It really is much more entertaining this way.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Just because I comprehend what someone has to say doesn't mean I have to agree with them.  They think that people should shut up and hand Valve their paycheck.  And if that is what floats their boats, then good for them.

But there are people who disagree and expect a quality product before we part ways with our money.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

You can expect all you want, but you're not 'entitled' to anything, and that was my point.  Goddamn, you are dense. You aren't entitled to anything, and such a belief is childish.

As for quality, Left 4 Dead WAS quality.  And I have no doubt that Left 4 Dead 2 will also be quality.

 

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Answer this: I can survive without the half game Left4Dead or it's ridiculous sequel.  Can Valve live without money?  These companies and their puppets need to sit down and shut the fuck up.

And Austin, just because I'm entitled to something doesn't mean I'm going to get it.  But if I don't get what I want then the company doesn't get money.  Is any of this sinking through your skull yet?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Fun story, Valve doesn't need to 'live without money', because for the 30,000 whiny children who say they won't buy it for whatever reason (and this is assuming they actually go through with it), MILLIONS more will.  Why?  Because the first Left 4 Dead was an awesome (and complete) game. So, it doesn't matter if bratty children who feel 'entitled' to free DLC don't buy it, others will.  And we'll play it with 30,000 less whiny children on the servers, which will enrich the experience for all.

Once again, you're not 'entitled' to anything, and that's the kind of thinking that we need to get rid of in this country.  You're not entitled to food, you're not entitled to money, you're not entitled to healthcare, you're not entitled to technology.  You have to earn it.  So, when you make that 60 dollars flipping burgers and spend it on a bad product, you're fucked.  Caveat Emptor.  Instead, you complain that you (and a very small minority) feel you were fucked, and say you won't buy it again.  Whatever, please don't.  But don't pretend you're entitled to something that you didn't pay for. That's immature and absolutely retarded. 

Related note, were you raised by welfare parents?  They seem to have a lot of that 'entitlement' bullshit in that part of society.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I really don't give a flying fuck what you say.  I am a customer and Valve is the company.  I get what I want or they don't get my money.  What about this isn't penetrating that thick ass skull of yours?  A company makes a product that a person wants to buy, or the person won't buy it.  This is a really basic concept.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

But they don't have to make a product that YOU want to buy, you self-centered, egomaniacal little jackass, and that is the point here.  Also, if you buy a product and YOU don't like it, it's not THEIR fucking problem, and they don't 'owe' you a damn thing.  What about the fact that YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING can't you ram through that fat balloon you call a head?  Goddamn, if you had 2 brain cells to rub together, this should be easy to understand.

At no time did i say you shouldn't buy L4D2.  I said you were a retard for wanting the company to cater to you and acting like they owed YOU something.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

"But they don't have to make a product that YOU want to buy, you self-centered, egomaniacal little jackass, and that is the point here. "

Then they don't get my money.  Really this is a simple concept, even you should be catching on soon.  I bet even that knuckle dragger Sessler would have caught on by now. 

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I've said repeatedly that no one cares if you don't buy the game.  Learn some reading comprehension.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Apparently jackasses like you and Sessler DO care if people don't buy the game.  Otherwise you wouldn't be responding to a boycott at all now would you?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I'm responding to your moronic sense of entitlement.  I could care less if you buy it or not, and I've said that repeatedly.  If you had any reading comprehension, you'd have figured that out by now.  But you don't, which may be part of the reason why you feel entitled.  Once again, are you from a welfare family?  Is that why you feel people owe you things?

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

If a company doesn't deliver what a person wants then that person won't give the company money.  Valve can choose to shaft their customers' desires if they so wish.  But that may lead to a boycott.  Hey what do you know, a boycott is planned.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

And what you still don't seem to understand is that out of the millions who bought Left 4 dead, 30,000 signing a 'petition' or a 'manifesto' isn't a sizeable amount.  You aren't the customers, and your desires aren't their desires.  The vast majority of customers are excited to get another Left 4 Dead, and all the bitching in the world won't make anyone care about your opinion any more. Why?  Because you, and the whiny children who think like you, don't even make up a tenth of a percent of the Left 4 Dead sales figures.  They are doing what the customer wants; it just doesn't happen to be what you want.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

And guess what?  I haven't signed any petition. And I can bet that there are many other shafted customers who aren't going to sign it either and yet still won't be wasting their money.

But I am curious, are you just an uppity corporate bitch with this boycott, or does this extend to all boycotts?  Is it just valve that no one can say anything negative about or should we be submissive to all companies?  Just curious.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

And there are plenty of spoiled, children, just like yourself, who will sign the petition, then eventually buy the game, but pretend they made a stand. 

I don't care if you boycott, but your reasons are absurd and childish.  Oooooh, they didn't give me the free stuff they said they would yet, I'm mad.  I don't feel like the game is complete.  I didn't get free stuff.  They owe me this and that.  Yeah, that's really mature.

If you don't like it, feel free to not buy it.  Just realize that no one cares that you don't, not even Valve.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

You didn't answer my question.  Are you just against boycotts against Valve, or are you for total corporate whore subservience?  I'm genuinely curious.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

If you had read any of my earlier posts, you'd realize I don't care if you boycott or not.  I just dislike children who feel they're entitled to things they're not.  If you pay 60 dollars for a Tv, you're getting the TV.  You're not going to get some free cable with it. 
So, when you and others like you whine about entitlement, you make the gaming community, as a whole, look like a bunch of spoiled brats that want what you want (and you do seem stupid enough to think everyone, or even a majority, want what you want).

In summation?  You're a child, I don't dislike boycotts, but your reason is retarded.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

You seem to have some fucking twisted mental taboo regarding the word entitled.  So lets use a different word: want.  There are some customers who want something, but they don't feel that the company is supplying their wants.  As the purpose of a company is to supply a person's wants if they don't do that then they will lose those customers.

So just ignore "entitlement" and focus on "want", and maybe then you can see the other point of view for a fucking nanosecond.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

But they aren't two comparable terms.  Wanting something is fine, you can want until you're blue in the face.  ENTITLEMENT, THE WAY THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE ACTING, IS LIKE THEY "DESERVE" SOMETHING.  You don't.  You got the game.  You got the DLC.  If you don't like it, don't buy the next game.  But don't complain because you feel you deserve more free stuff.

You can WANT more free stuff all you like.  But Valve doesn't owe it to you, they don't have to give it to you, and you shouldn't act like you deserve it.  

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Okay you aren't ignoring entitlement.  Just fucking ignore it for one second.  I *want* more content for Left4Dead.  If I don't get what I want from a company then there is no reason to do buisiness with that company.  I am to the point where I would drop $10 for a new campaign.  Actually I'm at the point where I might pay $1 to have Mercy Fucking Hospital completely deleted from my hard drive so I would never have to look at it again.

You see I know that I am not "entitled" to get anything from a company.  At no point in time has anyone been entitled to anything ever.  Because of, you know, free will.  A company can choose to thumb it's nose at it's customers.  Valve can and is doing this.  Valve has every right not to do a damn thing in regards to the original Left4Dead.  And that is their choice.  But because of their choice I am not going to waste any time or money on a half-assed sequel.

I'm not entitled to anything from Valve, but I want things from Valve.  If I don't get what I want, which is the entire reason a person goes to any buisiness, why should I stay with said company?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Don't stay with Valve if you don't get what you want.  What I'm saying is, don't act like they owe it to you, because you've bought one game from them, to give you more free stuff. You say you know you're not entitled, but you've been acting that way the whole time.  They don't have to give you more than what you pay for, and you paid for L4D.  They gave, out of the kindness of their hearts, an extra 2 campaigns for VS, and a survival mode and level for it. 

You are MORE THAN WELCOME to not buy Left 4 Dead 2.  Don't, if that's your wish.  But don't act, like all those whiners are acting, like they should make a special concession, drop the price of the game, or give you more things for free, just because you bought Left 4 Dead.  I own every Final Fantasy, including FFIV; after years, but I'm not demanding Nintendo give me the next chapter for free.  I'm willing to pay the 300 points per chapter.  I know I'm not entitled.

On the other hand, these people are signing petitions and writing a manifesto DEMANDING that they get their way or they won't buy.  But you know what?  Don't demand you get your way.  Either buy or don't buy, but don't act like a company owes you free stuff.

That was my whole point.  I've repeated it CONSTANTLY.  If you don't want to buy, don't buy.  But don't act like they owe you free stuff.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I didn't realize it was 'shitting your money away' to buy quality games like Left 4 dead was and Left 4 Dead 2 will most likely be.  If you don't want to buy it, please don't.  We need less retards and whiny children on the servers, you babies tend to quit after getting your ass handed to you once or twice.

Oh yes, I'm a corporate sock puppet.  Ooooooh.  Because you make all your own clothing, farm all your own vegetables, etc.  What an immature person you are.  

Here's a hint; if you don't want to play a game, don't play it.  But don't act like you're 'entitled' to things you aren't.  They've already released DLC for the game once, and they may well do it again, and they did it out of the goodness of their hearts.  I guarantee that most of the people complaining would have bought the game either way, at the same price they did, with or without DLC.  You're not 'entitled' to free DLC.  You're not 'entitled' to great games.  You spend your money on what you want, and sometimes you'll get screwed.  And then, when you get a quality game, you'll act like a whiny brat.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

And despite what corporate puppets like you and Sessler think, Valve is not entitled to my money.  People have a right not to buy shit.  And if I don't buy one of these games it's no loss for me.  On the other hand if no one buys these games then it WILL be a loss for these assholes.  Loss of money, loss of jobs, etc.

I just really don't think that you have any idea on just whom is dependant on whom in the customer/company relationship.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Nobody said they were entitled to your money.  You gave it to them freely, and in return got a very good game.  Now, you seem to think that, because of your one-time payment, Valve has to do whatever you want for the rest of time, and that they are not allowed to do anything that may (or may not) affect the way you play your game.  Well, they are not entitled to your money (unless you have a copy of their game), and you are not entitled to anything more than the game you bought.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Actually no.  I gave them my money and in return got an adequate game stuck in an eternal beta phase.  And now Valve expects me to give them more money.  And Sessler and the rest of you expect that I should just give them MORE money.  No, not going to happen.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

A few things. 

A) There are three types of people who didn't like L4D.  1) people who don't like FPS.  That's fine.  2) People who don't play online.  If you don't, you're an idiot.  3) People who suck at the game, the same crybabies who leave after getting trounced in a round or two.  Which one of these sounds like you?

B) Please, don't buy the game.  One less crybaby to leave when he's getting his ass kicked.

C) Nothing about L4D was less than great.  The characters were awesome, the banter was interesting (at least the first few times), the levels were imaginative and innovative, with the perfect blend of CQC and outdoors action, the difficulty was spot on, the zombies were great, the weapons were awesome, and the graphics were fantastic.  It's not an 'adequate game stuck in an eternal beta phase' by any stretch of the imagination. If you don't like it, by all means, fuck off to the worlds of COD and GoW, two games that are, in fact, adequate.  Leave the great game for the big boys.

We'll be all too happy for you to not play L4D2.  If you feel like it sucked, please don't.  However, you aren't 'entitled' to a damn thing, and corporations don't exist to kiss your ass.  Grow up, maybe leave the house once in a while.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Valve expects you to give them more money?  You mean, you got a letter or e-mail from Valve executives saying that if you didn't give them money they were going to do something bad to you?  That should be in the news...

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Well to be fair the Phillips CDi sucked.

But yeah, retail exists to cater to the public's demand. It's why you don't find Code Red Mountain Dew at any of the stores I go to, nor Doritos 3Ds. Buying those was not reasonable for the public even if they were delicious. The problem is people are identifying this as a money-milking practice akin to the EA Madden franchise after the company promised they would be focusing on supporting the original game. This is not reasonable for people who are staging active protest. It's way too soon to criticize them as they could easily become sizeable. If its just 5 guys then they shouldn't even be mentioned. Hell, the mere fact that its a decent-sized 'whiner' group is a good reason to stop and consider this, proving they have a point of some sort, even if you don't agree with it.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I'll say what I said, and what I've always said, after I first saw his pretenious, stuck-up show: **** Adam Sessler. And **** everyone who complains about "whiners."

L4D consumers are getting screwed by Valve. You just come off as a douchebag when you say companies have some kind of right to screw their customers.

So Sessler, to answer your question, we were born in AMERICA, where the whiners and complainers always made things better. If you don't like the complaining, don't listen to it. But while you suck Valve's dick like the little tool you are, "whiners" will be spending their money elsewhere. Then we'll see how much attention Valve pays them.

...

I'm still unhappy with this post. These kind of comments just make me so mad I can't write coherently.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

People who whined and complained never did anything.  It's people who DID things that made this country better.  Did Henry Ford whine about how long it would take to build a car?  No.  He developed a way to build a car faster.  Did Harry Truman whine about how hard it would be to end WW2?  No.  He ended it the quickest way possible, with the least loss of life.

I find it hilarious that the company that has supported gamers the most is being trashed by gamers who think that, because they were always treated so well by them, deserve to be served by them hand and foot.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Edit: On second thought seeing as most of the comments are just ripping everyone apart I'll just keep my mouth shut. 

 
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quiknkoldby doing something, Charitable Donations is an example.10/20/2014 - 8:06pm
quiknkoldAndrew : I dont accept any worded apology unless I can look the person in the eye when they say it. For me, he'd either have to make a video so I could read his bodylanguage, or actually do something. actions speak louder than words.10/20/2014 - 8:04pm
quiknkoldwell if they are looking for social pollution, Twitter is a great breeding ground for it. Its a breeding ground for deviance.10/20/2014 - 8:03pm
Andrew Eisenquiknkold - He had three tweets worth of apology the following day.10/20/2014 - 8:00pm
quiknkoldyou know, people keep saying Biddle's comment was sarcasm, but the thing is, Sarcasm doesnt translate well in Tweets. I took his words as really hateful, and unless I see an honest apology, I'm not going to be happy with him.10/20/2014 - 7:38pm
Matthew WilsonI doubt it will change much.10/20/2014 - 7:21pm
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29689949 Google's current piracy fighting plan.10/20/2014 - 6:58pm
Andrew EisenYikes. http://boingboing.net/2014/10/20/vultures-circle-gamergate.html10/20/2014 - 6:25pm
Neo_DrKefkaDestructoid Editor in Chief stepping down after allegations surface about blacklisting will he be next? http://allmannerofnerdery.tumblr.com/post/100526443850/im-leaving-destructoid10/20/2014 - 6:05pm
james_fudgethere's some inside baseball stuff going on in this Andrew - likely some stuff we don't know10/20/2014 - 3:30pm
E. Zachary KnightGreat musical video about online trolling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nS-QeM2ne810/20/2014 - 2:46pm
Andrew EisenBut again, this whole thing is just too damn vague to form an opinion on.10/20/2014 - 2:40pm
Andrew EisenWithout the original communication, it's impossible to say if it could honestly be misconstrued as a friendly suggestion rather than an employer directive. However, it appears that subsequent emails should have cleared up any doubt.10/20/2014 - 2:40pm
Andrew EisenThose aren't the owner's words, they're Chris Dahlen's. For what it's worth, we do see an email from Gonzalez stating "you've already broken the only rule we set for you!!!!!!!"10/20/2014 - 2:38pm
Michael ChandraSo really the guy's own words strike me as "wah! How dare you disagree with me!" behaviour, which is the sort of childish attitude I am unfortunately not surprised by.10/20/2014 - 2:17pm
Michael ChandraCorrect AE, but then again the owner's own words are about "wishes", not about an order. No "we told him not to", but going against his wishes.10/20/2014 - 2:16pm
Matthew Wilsonyup. sadly that has been true for awhile.10/20/2014 - 2:10pm
james_fudgewelcome to 2014 politics. Increasingly fought online10/20/2014 - 1:54pm
E. Zachary KnightIt is honestly a shame that anyone has to publicly state they are against such vile behavior, but that is the sad life we live.10/20/2014 - 1:46pm
E. Zachary KnightDecided to publicly reiterate my opposition to harassment campaigns. http://randomtower.com/2014/10/just-stop-with-the-harassment-and-bullying-campaigns-already/10/20/2014 - 1:45pm
 

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