On Father’s Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games for Books

Repeating a theme that he frequently touched upon during his 2008 election campaign, President Barack Obama has once again referenced video games as a metaphor for academic underachievement.

In a Father’s Day message published in Parade, Obama writes:

We need to set limits and expectations. We need to replace that video game with a book and make sure that homework gets done… We need to tell our sons, Those songs on the radio may glorify violence, but in our house, we find glory in achievement, self-respect, and hard work.

Interestingly, the Parade feature is Obama’s third mention of video games in the last 10 days. On June 11th he told an audience in Wisconsin:

The world has gotten competitive. The Chinese, the Indians, they’re coming at us and they’re coming at us hard, and they’re hungry, and they’re really buckling down.

And they watch – their kids watch a lot less TV than our kids do, play a lot fewer video games, they’re in the classroom a lot longer.

Last Monday the President mentioned games during a speech to the American Medical Association in Chicago:

[Preventive care] starts with each of us taking more responsibility for our health and the health of our children. It means… raising our children to step away from the video games and spend more time playing outside.

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  1. Conster says:

    The USA supported Saddam Hussein from 1959 right up to the moment where he invaded Kuwait (admittedly, France and Germany messed up as well) – in fact, Saddam might not have invaded if the USA had told him sternly enough they wouldn’t stand for it if he did. They even sent him biological warfare agents and helped him gas Iranian troops. This is precisely why I’m criticizing the USA for its WWII-bragging: the majority of everything it’s ever done has been out of selfish reasons, and it’s responsible for most of the current Middle-Eastern messes. You should be grateful there even are other countries who are willing to have their soldiers risk their lives to help clean up the USA’s messes, not blaming the ones who don’t. Of course, there’s one good unintended consequence I can think of: Japan’s pacifistic attitude.

    And as for your view of Europe: it’s ignorant. European governments are all over the spectrum, from left to right, and still we manage to work together. The USA, on the other hand, has only 2 major parties (center-right and right-wing), a flawed election system where some people’s votes matter more than others due to people who aren’t allowed to vote still counting for a state’s weight, and it still manages to have feuds between Democrats and Republicans. Your freedom has been on a slippery slope ever since 9/11, your "individual responsibility" seems to be limited to blaming and suing everyone for everything, and your capitalism almost destroyed the entire world economy.

    Europe is a mess, but it’s far superior to the USA.

  2. Mr.Pat says:

    Apparantly the concept of context really is lost on you, as I stated interracial marraige is considered acceptable and legal. By the way, you’re wrong, again, regarding several issues about gay marriage. For starters, DC and New York recognize same-sex marriages from other states and countires while not performing them, though New York will likely be legalizing them to be preformed in the near future as well. You also most certainly can marry another man "because you’re straight" in any of the states that have legalized gay marriage; you may as well start in Hartford, they’d issue it relatively quickly. Furthermore, once again you’re wrong with your blind assumption that gay couples have equal rights. Unlike a straight couple who gets married, gay couples are denied all of the following:

    Employment

    • Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse’s employer.
    • Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
    • Receiving wages, workers’ compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
    • Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse’s close relatives dies.

    Health

    • Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
    • Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

    Death

    • Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
    • Making burial or other final arrangements.

    Family

    • Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
    • Applying for joint foster care rights.
    • Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
    • Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.

    Consumer

    • Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.
    • Receiving family rates for health, homeowners’, auto, and other types of insurance.
    • Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
    • Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.

    Tax

    • Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
    • Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

    Estate Planning

    • Inheriting a share of your spouse’s estate.
    • Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
    • Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
    • Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse — that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse’s behalf.

    Government

    • Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
    • Receiving veterans’ and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
    • Receiving public assistance benefits when otherwise qualifying.

    Other Legal Benefits and Protections

    • Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
    • Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
    • Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
    • Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can’t force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
    • Receiving crime victims’ recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
    • Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.

    Until gay couples are given those same rights across the country, no, they aren’t equal.

     

    You’re actually the last person to be telling others not to argue with hurt feelings; you’ve been crying persecution almost this entire thread – not very Marine-like, btw.

    And I’m still waiting for you to cite all your claims. The burden of proof is on you for making the claims, not me for calling foul on them. Any excuse you give otherwise is nothing but a cop-out. Apparantly conservatives think they’re exempt from that.

  3. jedidethfreak says:

    I haven’t labeled everyone who disagrees with me, only ones who make points proving their liberal views.  Also, considering 70% of Americans disagree with gay marriage, saying it’s "perfectly acceptable" is far from accurate.  So is "perfectly legal," considering it’s only legal in six states, and the legality is still hotly contested, as well as the fact that those marriages are not recognized by the Federal government, the military, or even the other states in the Union that don’t have it.

    Again, they do have equal rights.  I can’t go and do anything they can’t do.  I can’t marry another guy just because I’m straight.  Show me one city where I could.

    Also, as an American, I can make whatever joke I feel like, whenever I feel like it.  If you have a problem with that, boo hoo.  Again, you should actually read my posts.  When people actually argue with facts and logic instead of rhetoric and hurt feelings, I will accede to that.  When people present evidence for me to examine, I’ll look at it.  Have you spoken to the Kansas Department of Health and Human Services yet?  I doubt it, because you’re too afraid I might be right, and then you won’t have a leg to stand on.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  4. Mr.Pat says:

    Oh yes, there’s no stereotyping involved when you accuse all democrats of having no moderation, calling Obama a nazi, labeling everyone who idsagrees with you a liberal, thats all fine, upstanding behavior…I also haven’t said a thing about slavery this thread, thats all you, so have fun arguing with yourself there, sunshine. As for interracial marriage, thank you for proving my point when you admit a minority of people were for it to begin with, only to end up where we are now with it perfectly legal and acceptable. Nice to know though you think equal rights are something that should be voted on and not guaranteed.

     

    Word of advice too, I wouldn’t make stupid jokes when you come off as petty enough to be taken seriously about it. Given your reasoning for most things it wouldn’t be a surprise if you actually did use that method. And of course you aren’t humble or respectful – you haven’t been to anyone else here who disagreed with you. Then again Marines also don’t have superiority complexes, or threaten people over the internet, or call their CnC a nazi…I guess you just like to pick and choose which Marine apects to follow.

  5. jedidethfreak says:

    What have I said that can possibly be construed as hateful rhetoric or steryotyping?  I said that if gays want to be given the ability to marry eachother, the people of this country should decide that.  That’s neither hateful or stereotypical.  As far as your comments about slavery or inter-racial marriage, history has proven that it was a severe minority that wanted those in either case.  Your revisionist history just doesn’t want to admit that.

    You don’t seem to understand what I mean by hijacking the system.  In California, a law was put to the vote by the people AFTER the GLBT lobby demanded the State Supreme Court to make a law, bypassing the State Congress and Governor.  This act in and of itself by the GLBT lobby is hijacking the legal system.  It is not the Supreme Court’s place to make law.  It is to review law.  Then, after a law was passed denying them the ability to marry, they tried to do so again, only it failed.  After it failed, gays then crossed state lines and firebombed churches that they felt were responsible, because, after all, people can’t be held accountable for their own choices.

    Apparently, either you don’t know a joke when you see it, or you’re just willing to fight anything you can to demonize me personally.  I did carefully consider my vote, and wrote in Ron Paul, because of the fact that, like me and our Founding Fathers, he believes that the Federal Government is not supposed to insinuate it’s control on every aspect of our life.  And I have put in ideas to try and make things better, such as my idea for abortion laws, as well as the issue of gay marriage.  If you want to know what I would do about the economy, I would repeal the stimulus bill, and give that money to all of the people who paid taxes last year (with an adjusted gross income of less than $500,000) so that they can spend it.  I would encourage domestic energy production of wind, solar, nuclear, clean coal, oil and natural gas.  This idea alone would create more jobs than I have the ability to figure out on my own, and we have an abundant natural supply right here in America.  You libs just don’t want to use it.  As far as your green footprint is concerned, increasing fuel economy standards for all vehicles, not just family cars and minivans, over a lengthy timetable would allow us to maintain greener vehicles, while still encouraging technological inovation of our auto industry AND allowing them some profitability.

    As to your last line, Marines only have to be humble to people who have earned their respect.  Since all you seem to want to do is demean me, I have no need to be humble to you.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  6. Mr.Pat says:

    I call you a hatemonger because of your hateful rhetoric and stereotyping remarks. I don’t care if people have a disagreement with Obama, considering I voted for Nader; I’m just giving him the same time frame I gave your Glorious Leader.

    Its so nice you’re a fan of majority rules in all cases. We’d still have segragation and anti-interracial marriage if we followed majority rules at all times. You equate asking for equal rights granted in traditional marriage to be hijacking the system, you may as well admit you don’t want them to have those same rights because they shouldn’t be denied to anyone just because they don’t fall lockstep with everyone else.

    For the record I do hear Hannity, and Rush – my roomate listens to them daily, so I’m aware of their hatemongering, and you fit them perfectly. Great cop-out on why you refuse to provide links to your claims btw, since the burden of proof falls on the person making the claims; you may not care to be proven "write", but that just kills any credibility you probably didn’t have to begin with. Then again your lying about being a Marine probably killed all that anyways – Marines at least have the integrity to back up what they say, and you clearly don’t.

    Wow, you based your vote around a game; you ignored every other facet of each candidate and went around a game of dodgeball instead, and you wonder why you had almost no credibility to begin with? You’d think someone who calls himself a "Marine" would put careful consideration into such an important vote, and be nowhere near as petty. Then again you’re the only one here dumb enough to equate the president to Hitler while denying your jaded partisanship.

    For all your bitching and whining about Obama you’ve put here, I’ve yet to see you put anything productive on how to improve things – instead all you do here is scream "SOCIALIST!", "NAZI!" and stereotype democrats and anyone who didn’t vote republican. You’ve shown absoutely no honor that true Marines possess and continue to project your opinion as fact. Maybe you should actually take up some true Marine qualities like humbleness and respect instead of being a bitter partisan hack.

  7. jedidethfreak says:

    By you accusing me of hatemongering because I have an opinion that differs from yours, you do love Obama.  That’s why he claims Fox News hates him, even though roughly 40 percent of the people working there openly support him (and by this, I mean actual journalists who appear on television).

    Who said I didn’t condone gay lifestyle?  I didn’t say that at all.  What I said was, if we are going to change laws and policies, it should be voted upon by the people of the individual state.  You know, seeing as how majority rules in this country?  If the American people think that gays should be allowed to marry, let them say so.  Here’s where your problem comes into play.  A recent Pew Research pole says that 70% of Americans believe in so-called "traditional" marriage.  I would also have to point out that there is a distinct possibility that some of this 70% could be gay people.  As a matter of fact, a close friend of mine is a gay person that falls in this category.  Another close friend of mine has a gay uncle who also falls in this category.  Noting all of this, plus the recent events in California repealing gay marriage laws, you are afraid of such a measure, because it would prevent any measure allowing gays to marry to come to pass.  Instead, you’d rather small minorities of this country hijack the legal system to get what they want, so you don’t have to feel bad about being a rich white guy.

    As far as visitation rights are concerned, maybe they should go after the hospital trustees and get them to change the policy?  Huh?  You know, the simple thing vs. hijacking our legal system?  Oh, wait, you libs can’t do that.  That’s why our new health care system as provided by Your Lord And Saviour is going to cost this country 1 trillion dollars over ten years, and they don’t even have it finished yet.

    You claim me to be a hateful listener of Hannity or Beck, but I’m willing to bet you haven’t even watched their shows.  Another recent Pew poll says that conservatives are twice as likely to look at what liberals have to say as vice versa.  The last lines of your first paragraph prove it, too.  Instead of doing the legwork yourself, to see if I was write, you make some crappy comeback about me not posting a link.  A link that you either wouldn’t have checked out anyway, or if you did, would have tried to say I took out of context or was all just a conservative hackjob anyway.  If you are actually interested in finding out whether I’m right or wrong, do the work yourself and be educated.  However, I know that call will fall on deaf ears, because you’d rather be ignorant and right in your own mind, than be educated and possibly proven wrong.

    I didn’t deem Obama a socialist until he implemented his policies.  Last summer, I voted based on my "pro-dodgeball" policy.  Barack Obama comes from Chicago, a school system that outlawed the game of dodgeball, because a child’s feelings got hurt because somebody threw a ball at him.  He wasn’t physically hurt, but this one child made playing dodgeball on school property illegal.  Kids were actually taken to juvie.  Since Barack Obama supported a measure spreading this accross all of Illinois, I voted against him.  The socialism didn’t come until after he bought two car companies and fired one CEO and told the other that they are legally required to be bought by a foreign car company.  On top of this, he spent 787 billion dollars on a stimulus bill that was supposed to have been implemented by June 1.  Well, it’s almost July and they’re saying it won’t work and need another.  On top of this spending, he wants to assume California’s massive debt, which they have because they put policies in place that are the model for what Obama wants.  Either the federal government assume this debt, or California goes bankrupt.  Is that what you want our country to do?  In order to get what you seem to want, the spending is going to have to increase, even though, by Barack Obama’s own admission, this type of spending is unsustainable.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  8. jedidethfreak says:

    What has Europe done to help clean up 9/11?  The massive Muslim population over there prevented you from actually doing anything about it.  And so what about why we joined the war?  We still fought Japan by ourselves, on top of the Nazis along side Europe.  We then join in Vietnam at the request of France, only for France to bail and we get stuck with it.  We ask for European help with Iraq, and we are turned down.  Why?  Not because Europe likes dictators, but because at least two European countries were bought off with oil from Iraq.

    And I do appreciate what your country’s military is doing for us in Afghanistan.  I really do.

    As for your final statement, I don’t care about Europe’s political leanings.  Everyone knows that Europe is a group of quasi-socialist nations.  That seems to work for you.  However, our nation was founded on ideals of individual responsibility, freedom and capitalism.  All three of which our current President is actively trying to take away.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  9. Conster says:

    That’s okay. We only have a problem with Jimmy Carter and the CIA indirectly causing 9/11, and Europe having to help you clean up the mess. Oh, and there’s the fact that you keep shoving WWII in our face when it took a Japanese assault on you to make you join the war in the first place. And there’s also the fact that my country’s military helps you in Afghanistan (which I support), only to have their work made needlessly hard by the USA’s failures.

    And you’ve completely missed my point, it seems: you’re accusing Obama of being like Hitler and Stalin, when he’s right-wing by our standards. What does that make Europe, then? By your standards, all of Europe is obviously both communist and nazistic.

  10. Mr.Pat says:

    Gays couples are not treated equally, if they were, they’d get the same visitation rights and benefits as straight couples do, and there wouldn’t be people going out of their way to try prevent them from gaining those rights. Just because you don’t condone their lifestyle or who they want to be with doesn’t give you the right to try and ban them from getting married to each other. Nice to know you can’t turn your projecting off either, it just shows how terrible you are at reading people. And I’m still waiting for your sourse that 80% of all lat-term abortions are perfoemed for "no reason". So far you’ve tried to source them for Kansas, and didn’t even provide a link.

    Dude, give up the cosialist bullshit already, the only people who are going with that claim are you, your hatemongering overlords Hannity, Beck, Rush and the like, and all their rabid, hateful listeners. You already deemed him a socialist before he even took office – even if he turned this country into a utopia you’d be calling him one. You simply hate the man and want him to fail like the rest of your heores do.

     

    As for other people wishing for terrorist attacks on Obama’s watch – they claim to be conservative patriots like you do. I tend to believe guilt by association to be a two way street, so since you like to continuously dish it out, feel free to take it a while.

    Finally, you don’t just agree on a few things Hannity and the rest of the ilk say, you’ve been agreeing with everything they’ve been saying, nearly word for word at times. If it looks like a skunk, and smells like a skunk…you even project like they do, as I’ve yet to say you have to agree with Obama, nor have I even given my political affiliation or who I voted for. I’ve always had the position to give the guy an ample amount of time to be judged, just like I gave to your Glorious Leader. Barely six months does not equate to an ample amount of time, much less the four days one of your associate Bush-worshippers gave him. Maybe if you didn’t spend all your time projecting your own positions as absolute fact you’d have noticed that, since I’ve said it quite a few times on this site.

  11. jedidethfreak says:

    Europe can do whatever it wants.  I don’t care.  Europe has no bearing on my life, outside of the comparisons between European life and American life.  The only problem I have ever had with Europe is that America sent so many American men and boys over there to die to defend you from Hitler, and when we ask for help against terrorism, you accuse us of warmongering.  You then decide to condemn our President for openning up Guantanamo Bay, but when you are asked to take some of them you don’t.  I don’t care what side of the political spectrum you are on, but that’s just not right of you to do.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  12. jedidethfreak says:

    When did I call anyone a Nazi?  I compared Obamas actions to Hitlers actions during his rise to power.  How is that calling anyone a Nazi, other than Obama, who is in no way European?

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  13. jedidethfreak says:

    I don’t think of either Bush president as any sort of deity.  I don’t even believe in a deity.

    Gays are treated equally.  Do I have the right to marry someone of the same gender just because I’m straight?  No.  They have the same rights I do.  Just because they choose to live life differently than me does not grant them the right to change the Constitution to fit their niche of this country.  Also, before you claim that they were born that way, prove it.  You told me to prove the 80% claim, and I can direct you to the Kansas Department of HHS.  The statistics are available as a matter of public record.

    Obama isn’t a socialist because he disagrees with me.  He’s a socialist because he thinks that rich people aren’t allowed to be rich.  He’s a socialist because he used government money to buy one third of the banks and two thirds of the U.S. Auto industry, and gave them to their respective unions, but not before firing CEO’s and telling others that they can only make a certain amount of money.  Along the way, he had laws passed granting his administration the power to regulate maximum pay for a variety of jobs across a vast array of industries, whether they took TARP money or not.  This type of government control of that many industries, taking money from the rich and giving it to poor people for no other reason than rich people aren’t poor is socialism.

    Also, what do other people wanting terrorist attacks have to do with me?

    Finally, just because I agree with some of the things that Hannity and the like say doesn’t make me a slobbering idiot following them.  As to your comment about the last eight years, you claim that we need to agree with the President now.  Turnabout being fair play, I can understand, but if that’s what you’re going to say, you need to shut up about the last eight years, because now you’re doing what you libs have been angry about someone else doing.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  14. Mr.Pat says:

    The only difference between conservatives and republicans I’ve noticed over the last eight years is that one thought the last president was God, and the other though he was the second coming of Christ. Which one do you fall into?

    Its nice to know you think equality should be voted on rather than guaranteed too. Thats a real great way to look at things. Nice projection btw where everyone who disagrees with you is automatically a liberal, btw.

    I’m not going to comment on your abortion answer until you provide citations for you 80% claims, as that sound like a heaping mess of bullshit right there.

    I can’t help but wonder what its like to live in a black & white world like you do. Obama doesn’t do what you want lock-step so he’s automaticall a socialist, Hitler-esque, a terrorist sypmathizer, etc. Are you really surprised you’re ilk lost two elections when you behave that way? Furthermore, just because you don’t want another terrorist attack to happen doesn’t mean there aren’t people who do. Just go look at your fellow conservatives at freerepublic, you’ll find droves of them there.

    You really expect people to think you don’t follow Hannity, Beck, Coulter and the rest? You claim to think for yourself, you just spew out thier hateful remarks almost to the letter. You’ve also got a lot of gall saying democrats can’t think for themselves when for eight years it was "agree with the president or you’re a traitor".

  15. Conster says:

    Okay, I’m going to slap you with a large trout now.

    *does so*

    Okay, I’m done. Are you done twisting my words now? I didn’t say anyone was not allowed to worry. I just said I’m tired of all the ignorant "socialism!" and "communism!" yelling and the paranoia about a president who, by European standards, is a rightwing conservative – and frankly, I’m scared to death as well. Why? Because if you’re screaming like this about Obama, imagine what you’ll do to Europe given half the chance.

  16. gamegod25 says:

    Because we all know that you can’t be a gamer AND a productive member of society at the same time *roll*

  17. jedidethfreak says:

    That’s the whole point of dissent here.  The faulty data being that gaming is the cause (at least, that seems to be his point).  We all know that gaming isn’t the cause, because this is a trend that started even before the hippie movement.  I’m asking for a call for moderation, knowing that won’t be answered, because political idealists like Obama don’t like moderation, because it wouldn’t allow their ideals to come to fruition (in this case, socialism).

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  18. jedidethfreak says:

    Ask the people to decide, not the courts.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  19. jedidethfreak says:

    What majority?  According to Pew, a majority of the people of this country think that a lot of the president’s policies are the wrong direction for this country.

    And I’m not a Republican, i’m a conservative.  There is a difference.

    As far as gay marriage is concerned, I think that it should be voted on by the people, like in California.  But that’s not enough for you libs, is it, because California proved that if you actually let the people decide, you might not get what you want.  If the people of California don’t support gay marriage, what other state could pass such a law?  That’s why California is the only state to send it to the people.  You don’t want to get caught with your pants down again.

    As far as abortion is concerned, here’s my take on it – First trimester, do what you want.  Second trimester, for mental or physical health reasons, or pregnancy as a result of rape or incest.  Third trimester, only as a result of rape or incest.  Medicine has proven that if the baby makes it to third tri, the mom has a 99.9 percent chance of surviving birth.  As far as you late-term abortion proponents go, why is it that late-term abortion doctors perform 80% of their late-term abortions for no reason?  The only real problem I have with abortion is late-term.  Once again, I’d take this measure to the people and see what the people have to say.

    As far as wanting a terrorist attack, I don’t want that.  I lost a very close friend in 9/11.  I know the pain that terrorism brings.  I don’t want that on anyone but terrorists themselves.  However, dismantling everything that brought us intelligence on terrorist activities is going to allow them to attack us again, and just because Barrack Obama has been sucking Muslim dick since he took office, that doesn’t mean they like us now.  The only way that terrorism and anti-American sentiment will cease in the Muslim world would be to allow them to destroy Israel.  That’s why they hate us.  Excuse me for thinking we should stick up with our allies, especially since it was America that lead the charge to creating it in the 1940’s.

    And I think Hannity and Coulter should shut up.  I don’t much pay attention to talking heads.  Unlike most people who vote Democrat, I can make up my mind for myself by listening to both sides of an argument, and coming to my own conclusions.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  20. jedidethfreak says:

    I have a firm understanding of American politics.  It is you who don’t understand what is going on here.  You think that, because Obama went over to your country and said that America is bad and your country is good that we’re going to be okay.  Well, that’s not going to fix anything.  That’s the point that we political dissenters here in America are trying to make.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  21. jedidethfreak says:

    Even though that’s what he’s sending us to?  He controls the auto industry himself, just like Hitler and Stalin.  He controls the banks, just like Hitler and Stalin.  He’s working on the health care industry, just like Hitler and Stalin, as well as the energy industry in this country, just like Hitler and Stalin.  He believes in taking money from rich people and giving it to everyone, just like Stalin (I’m unsure if Hitler did this, that’s why I didn’t throw him in).  He’s anti-Israel, just like Hitler and Stalin.  He believes that children in their mother’s womb aren’t people (appointing Sebelius to HHS), just like Hitler (not quite sure about Stalin on this one).  So, with all of these parallels to Hitler and Stalin, why are Americans who studied history not allowed to worry about socialism and communism?

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  22. jedidethfreak says:

    No.  Anything wrong with my life is my own fault, and I take personal responsibility for them and do what I can to fix them.  A lot of the things wrong with the country are the fault of Congress and the President (on both sides of the political spectrum).  I happen to agree with a lot of what Republicans have to say, because I am a conservative, but not all.  If there would happen to be a true centrist (and Obama isn’t, our march to Socialism is proof), I’d probably vote for him, regardless of political offiliation (with the exception of the Green party, I don’t think weed should be legal).

    Any other personal attacks against me you’d like to throw out instead of logic?  I know it’s the liberal pasttime.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  23. jedidethfreak says:

    Agreeing with me wouldn’t take the wind out of my sails.  Using logic instead of personal attacks might, but only because I wouldn’t expect it on these boards.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  24. T5 says:

    What information is Obama using in regards to these videogame comments? 

    While moderation is a noble principal the average age of a gamer is over thirty and to always cast the games as the negative or part of the problem seems to miss the point entirely of his own broader ideas for these respective speeches and comments. To single out games shows a baffling sort of myopia that if any other recreational hobby were to replace it the President’s comments would seem entirely out of line and laughed out of the room.  So the aforementioned question becomes of critical importance.  If he is going of of what he thinks he knows that is one thing, but if he is using faulty data and studies the situation changes entirely.   

  25. Deamian says:

    "The world has gotten competitive. The Chinese, the Indians, they’re coming at us and they’re coming at us hard, and they’re hungry, and they’re really buckling down.

    And they watch – their kids watch a lot less TV than our kids do, play a lot fewer video games, they’re in the classroom a lot longer."

     

    Meanwhile, the Chinese’s embargo on Wotlk is slowing down gold-farming… NOT! Chinese kids don’t spend more time than us in class rooms, nor to play outside ; it’s not in the government’s interest to let the population think they can do something on their own.

    As for India… They are developping up, BAMF style ; they are hungry for a good reason.

    In the meantime, do you think the GP community could come together, pitch in a few bucks each and afford Obama a Wii, WiiSports and WiiFit?

    Better yet, link him to GP altogether!

  26. Matthew says:

    So much vitriol over such a little, simple, and true comment. This is why we can’t have nice things.

  27. Im_Blue says:

    "Democrats don’t believe in moderation."

    Yes we should follow the Republicans lead and be moderate. Sorry homosexuals, but wanting to get married is just way to EXTREME.

  28. Snipzor says:

     Sorry, but that only works if I’m the first to defend Matthews, unfortunately for you I don’t defend stupidity.

  29. Snipzor says:

     Hmm, a Glenn Beck production, reeks of butthurt and crying baby.

    Anyone else realize the only people who call Obama a "messiah" are republicans trying to be clever and failing at that? Yes? Oh good, I thought I was the only one.

  30. Neo_DrKefka says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXr1mkYWeCU

     

    All hail the messiah
    Obama, Obama

    The path to the new socialist motherland
    Our savior, our savior
    Obama, Obama
    The leader more famous than Lindsay Lohan
    Bow down and praise the one
    Give him your money and your guns
    Give us a country
    That makes your wife proud
    Lord Barry heal the bitter ones
    White and Clinging to faith and to guns
    Hope for the change of the hope of the change!
     

  31. Mr.Pat says:

    Kinda like how you spend every waking hour whining and blaming democrats for everything wrong in your life? Like that you mean? Oh right, I forgot anyone with an (R) by their name is exempt from it – its "do as I say, not as I do" with them.

  32. Mr.Pat says:

    Actually I’ll just call you a moron for all the partisan whining you do here. I could very easily get into how republicans want to control every aspect of everyone’s lives, wether it be who you marry or your right to choose, and how over the last few months they’ve become so petty they wish a terrorist attack would occur to justify their own hatred, but I’d just waste my time dealing with someone who seems to think he’s never wrong and knows better than the majority of the country.

     

    As I’ve said before, your heroes Hannity and Coulter would be very proud of you if they read your posts here.

  33. PHX Corp says:

    I do like obama but, I don’t like his policies and I believe he’s a BS artist

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  34. nightwng2000 says:

    This is not about the different opinions of gamers.  This is about the difference on how individuals view (whether listened to or read) what was specifically stated. 

    Whether it’s this issue of what Mr. Obama said or the arguments about how Vets For Freedom attempted to mislead people as to what a certain video game’s background and content was.

    It isn’t even about Democrats or Conservatives because both have shown a desire to alter preception of what was literally stated so what they want others to preceive as being stated.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

    Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  35. Snipzor says:

     "And go ahead, call me a stupid retarded neo-con bitch.  I know you will, because that’s what you all do when you can’t defeat logic."

    Actually I was just thinking of calling you a politically retarded peleo-conservative. Democrats are right-wing just like any other group in America. If they were left wing, social policies would move without being hindered by republicans or democrats. Go to the political compass, and then promptly shut up about something you have zero understanding of.

  36. Erik says:

    Really, don’t go down this road and make the same mistake that I did.  Accept the fact that Jedid is GP’s version of Limbaugh and move on.  If he says something I suggest smiling and nodding.  Toss in an "I agree" if you really want to take the wind out of his sails.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  37. PHX Corp says:

    this is why The commemnts(on GP) prove why politics and gaming don’t mix, it always makes a mess for me to clean up alot(Literally).

    Warning: there is a severe Cat 5 Shitstorm warning effective until 12am EDT

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  38. PHX Corp says:

    I’m staying on the sidelines, I don’t want to get involved in a Flame war here

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  39. PHX Corp says:

    You know, please stop it before you cause a gamer civil war over obama’s comments(not flaming here, I want a peaceful end to this confrontation)

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  40. jedidethfreak says:

    Democrats don’t believe in moderation.  They want to move this country towards Communism, and have already begun the process, with buying banks, buying auto companies, under-the-table dealings with news organizations and industrial companies (GE).  Moderation is the last thing they care about.  If they get the opportunity to get their hooks in the gaming industry, do you really think they’ll pass that up?  And when they do get into it, do you think they won’t change anything?  Remember these questions, because they will get their hands on our beloved industry eventually, if these warnings go unheeded, and I’ll be there saying "I told you so."

    And go ahead, call me a stupid retarded neo-con bitch.  I know you will, because that’s what you all do when you can’t defeat logic.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  41. nightwng2000 says:

    No where, whatsoever, did he state ANYTHING to do with moderation and/or diversity.

    You can interpret his statements all you want.  The FACTS of what he said are quite clear.

    He did NOT suggest alternatives IN ADDITION to these activities. 

    He DID state that people should choose approved activities INSTEAD of the activities he deems to have ONLY negative impact on the individuals.

    There IS a difference between the two, whether you want to view it that way or not.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

    Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  42. Conster says:

    Please, Democrats are still more right-wing than my country’s main right-wing party, and we actually have a socialist party on the far left. I’m beyond tired of people in the USA crying "socialism" and "communism" about the Obama administration.

  43. PHX Corp says:

    to : I agree, I’m trying to keep my cool here without going off into conspiracy theory mode

    To everyone else: Would you all know the fact of what obama is saying, He wants everyone to practice moderation(of everything), end of story

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  44. Saxy says:

    I’ve already forgotten what is was Obama said, I’ve been too distracted by the petty arguements we’ve been having over here.

     

  45. Aurontsubaki says:

    Even though I am a gamer myself & been taking a break from them for quite a while. I agree with some of his opinion. It ain’t hurting my feelings whatsoever.

    What we got here is failure to communicate!

  46. killatia says:

    Oh no Obama tells parents to limit there children’s gaming time, HE MUST HATE VIDEO GAME!!!!!!!!!

    Give me a f’ing break.

    There nothing wrong for parents to limit there gaming time inexchange for book or that great evil known as….. FRESH AIR!. Hell when i was in elementry school I couldn’t even turn on the tv without finishing my homework. For those thats hating the president about this right now i bet oyu when you have kids and they’re failing school the first thing your gonna do is take away there videogames.

    http://www.magicinkgaming.com/


    http://www.killatia.com/

  47. ZippyDSMlee says:

    Well they are passive in a sense you are jsut reading, games can be as much and both have only a few items within that are truely great.

     


    I am a criminal because I purchase media,I am a criminal because I use media, I am a criminal because I chose to own media..We shall remain criminals until Corporate stay’s outside our bedrooms..


    http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com

  48. jedidethfreak says:

    Your last line only brings up the point of dissent with the President – All things in moderation.  Someone who spends every waking hour doing ANYTHING, be it games, reading, sports, the internet, is bound to have a crappy life in some way.  We just wish the President understood this.  If so, he might have actually done something to help the country by now.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  49. DarkSaber says:

    Oh pull your head out your arse, I’ve been saying that all along.

    ————————————————–

    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

  50. jedidethfreak says:

    Now you get it.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  51. questionmark1987 says:

    Personally I spent the majority of my time in my grade and highschool years playing videogames, I graduated second in my class with an above 4.0 GPA (honors classes) as did the valadictorian who was my good friend and also an avid gamer.

    We are both also avid readers and were atheletes.

    Videogames do not = bad in school, but I can agree that nothing but videogames is a bad thing, there’s too much in this world that needs to be experienced to just game.

  52. Elle says:

    "Hate" is not the word I’d use, especialy given the people (JT, etc) for whom the term really applies.

    There are statistics that show that older people are increasingly groking the social networking scene ; I can back that up anecdotaly with the laundry list of my mom’s friends and family who have gotten on Facebook in the last several months, none of them especaily geeky or computer-savy, or serious gamers.  So the gameing = lazy underachievers line is ignorant, yes, but I’d say he’s still batting above average on the whole for his age group, and the responsable parenting angle is way better than we would have gotten if it was, say, Clinton who got ellected.

    And I disagree that books are solely passive, once you sic an active imagination on them.  Games, you are still ultimately contrained by what the designers enable you to do, and only a few designers are really able to deliver on the promise of interactive freedom.

     

  53. DarkSaber says:

    I guess he’s only OK with people playing games he can put his face in so he can get their votes. Then promptly sell them down the river.

    ————————————————–

    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

  54. Mr.Pat says:

    Sure you did Mr. Internet Tough-Guy, sure you did. You keep up that superiority/persecution complex up, it fits you like a glove.

  55. jedidethfreak says:

    I’ve fought in Iraq and Afghanistan enough to validate anything I’ve said about my physical abilities.  If you want to question that, I openly invite you to join a branch of the military.  It might do you some good.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  56. Mr.Pat says:

    Oh the reason I know youy’re not a Marine isn’t because you make your own desicions, far from it. I think he fact that you’re an internet tough-guy, you threaten people, regardless of how empty and pathetic it sounded, you refuse to back up your claims, and you continuiously engage in actions and behavior not befitting a Marine does more than enough to discredit that little lie of yours.

  57. jedidethfreak says:

    I said so long as it’s the truth.  Just because you don’t want to believe that Marines are capable of making their own decisions and saying them doesn’t mean I’m not one.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  58. Mr.Pat says:

    And now you’ve not only gone full-retard, but you’ve gone into internet tough-guy neighborhood. You have fun thinking you’re a badass, and I’ll just continue to do what your little freedom of speech quip says. Apparantly the truth hurts your little feelings.

    Nice cop-out to avoid all the other points btw.

  59. jedidethfreak says:

    You’re luck this is the internet because I’d kick your ass for the first line.  As for everything else, I don’t care because I stopped reading.

    You wouldn’t have the balls to say any of this to my face.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  60. Mr.Pat says:

    Bullshit you’ve been waterboarded, or are even a Marine – Marines aren’t as bitter or hateful as you are, they don’t project their opinions as gospel truth like you do, and they damn sure don’t have persecution complexes like you do. They have a lot more class than anything you’ve shown here, and your claim to be one of them is an insult to all Marines everywhere.

     

    Way to contradict yourself too btw, first stating the Iraq War was a war of bad intel, then going on to say bad intel didn’t have a part in starting it. You’re just trying to find anything you can to give conservatives a free pass.

     

    You’ve also confirmed my position you have on double standards. You already gave your Glorious Leader a free pass on the biggest terrorist attack to hit our country when he was nine months in, but you blame Obama for anything and everything you can when its barely been six.

     

    If you really think Obama hasn’t formed his own opinion on Iran, you really are a partisan hack. If he openly states an opinion for one side, regardless of which one he blieves in it will end terribly. its lose-lose and you know it, you just want something else to attack him for.

     

    That last volume speaks volumes in and of itself about you too – either you need a serious lesson on context, or you’re going to be one of the next conservatives to snap and go on a shooting spree out of a hatred of all that you deem "liberals". My hope is that its just the former and not the latter.

  61. jedidethfreak says:

    I’ve been waterboarded.  I went through much worse than waterboarding on my way to becoming a Marine.  So by your logic, we shouldn’t have a military because it’s worse than waterboarding.  You are incorrect about the intelligence starting the Iraq war, because the CIA answers to the Senate Intelligence Commitee, not the President.  The Senate had access to better intel than the White House, and the funny thing is they are the ones saying they were lied to by President Bush.

    I’m not blaming Obama for what happened before he became President.  I’m blaming him for what he’s done since he became President.  The first stimulus package put this country on the verge of bankruptcy, and didn’t work.  Nothing that was promised came of it, and nobody can even say where the money went.  The solution?  Another stimulus package.  Our President has that kind of logic and you expect me to believe in him?

    As far as the Iran Revolution is concerned, I don’t blame Obama for it, but he needs to come out on one side or another.  Either he believes the results were tainted and calls for an investigation, or he doesn’t.  None of this wishy-washy, I think something was wrong, but we don’t want to seem like we’re meddling crap.

    Obama does blame America for everything.  He blamed America for slavery, even though it existed for thousands of years.  He blames America for terrorism.  He blames America for North Korea going crazy, and now he blames video games for people being fat.  People being fat has only one cause:  People eating more food than they exercise to get rid of.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  62. jedidethfreak says:

    I never gave anyone a free pass.  You assume that because I dislike the current President, that I had to absolutely love the last.  That’s where you are wrong, and where you’re political leanings come out.  A lot of bad things happened under Bush’s watch, and with him as President, he is ultimately responsible, along side all of Congress and the Senate.  Read my posts and you’d find that I’ve been very consistent on this point.  However, that doesn’t change the fact that Dems don’t believe in moderation.  Look at their track record.  They believe that private schools should be shut down.  They believe that unborn children deserve absolutely no protection whatsoever.  They believe that white men are the only people at fault for any problem that presents itself (wars, economy, AIDS).  Where in any of this is moderaton?

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  63. jedidethfreak says:

    If you want to pretend that video game litigation isn’t going to come, go right ahead.  Two states already attempted litigation, where it was killed (thankfully), but that doesn’t mean that nobody is ever going to get any sort of litigation through.  I do know how the government works.  That’s why any politician making comments of such is scary.  This is always how it starts.  This is how Prohibition started, with a seemingly innocent comment in a newspaper about how maybe drinking should be curtailed a little bit.  Low and behold, two years later, all alcohol in America is illegal by constitutional amendment.  It took a long time to repeal that amendment, at a major cost to Americans across the country.  The problem only needed some personal responsibility by the citizens to fix, but look where the country went, on the words of idiot politicians like Obama.

    Get a fucking clue about American history and then maybe we can discuss this without you making personal attacks against my logic.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  64. Wormdundee says:

    You’re coming off as a ranting lunatic here my friend. I guarantee he is not trying to open the door to litigate against the gaming industry.

    God, I can’t even comprehend your line of thinking here. He makes a couple comments that American kids need to be doing better in school and that child obesity is a problem, and hey, maybe they should spend a little less time playing video games. Then you take that and make it out like his presidential platform is centered around an anti-videogame stance or something.

    You also seem to think that since he’s made a couple statements about video games that means that that is the only thing he is capable of doing at one time. And in fact, all his spare time is spent writing 2 sentences about video games, and none of his speech writers are doing anything else, nobody else in government is doing anything except talk about video games! LOOK I CAN USE HYPERBOLE TOO!

    Get a fucking clue about how government works and then maybe we can discuss this without you frothing at the mouth.

  65. Mr.Pat says:

    Ok, so by your logic, something bad happens under Bush’s watch in his first 7-9 months and he gets a free pass; something bad happens under Obama’s first 6 months, he’s totally responsible. Yeah, thats sound right there…I’m sure you think memos stating BIn Laden determined to attack were insignificant too.

     

    Yes, torture was given the green light under his and Cheney’s watch. Waterboarding is a form of torture whether you like to admit to it or not – people here and overseas have been tried and convicted for using it. It is inhumane, and I already can bet that you won’t even consider believing that unless you go through it yourself or ever some close to drowning in your life. But again, you give him a free pass for it happening.

     

    Brown was in fact a Bush appointee. They were good friends prior to his presidency and he was a donor to his campaign. Nice of you to blame the people for a hurricane hitting too btw.

     

    Your next paragraph can basically be summed up as follows:

    Bush starts bailouts: oh thats ok, he’s doing the right thing.

    Obama continues them: EVIL SOCIALIST!

    You seem to forget that a large portion of the bad intel used was cherry-picked by the White House and then passed over to congress, but clearly that’s congress’s fault it was cherry-picked to begin with. As for the money wasted in Iraq, I count every cent there as a waste, and if you think supposed ties to Al Quaeda and claims that he’s going to use WMDs were the only reason we’re even there, you haven’t been paying attention, as your former Glorious Leader has changed his reasons about 6 times.

    And now you’re blaming the Iran Revolution on Obama, par for the course I suppose for you given your outright hatred of him. I’m sure you’d love to shove American ideals down Iran’s throat, but grandstanding and taking sides isn’t going to do jack shit worth of help for the Iranian people. Staying out of it is the best thing he can do right now; its the people’s battle, they need to do this themselves if its going to gain any legit ground. As for the rest of the crap you’re spewing, I tend to think giving him enough time to work is the way to approach him right now. I gave your Glorious Leader more than ample time to prove himself, and I intend to do the same with this guy. Nice projection btw where you think Obama blames America for everything.

  66. Mr.Pat says:

    Lets see, just off the top of my head, you calim only democrats don’t believe in moderation, while you give a free pass to the repupblicans and the conservtives who had control for the last eight years when they took responsibility for absolutely nothing bad that happened under their own watch. Your accusing someone else of having a holier-than-thou attitude fits the bill quite perectly too. 

  67. jedidethfreak says:

    No, he’s blamed President Bush for everything.  See my above post.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  68. jedidethfreak says:

    Okay, if anyone is going to blame an American President for some stupid Muslim getting people to fly planes into buildings, it would be Clinton.  I personally blame bin Laden, because he’s the guy who set it up and finance it, but some people think that every world issue is somehow America’s fault, so let’s look at why Clinton could (not necessarilly should) be blamed.  Before 9/11, Bush was President for about seven months.  This is not enough time to plan a defense of this type that would minimize national fear and the killing of civilians.  The CIA said they had recieved intelligence suggesting 9/11 two years previous, under the Clinton administration; he did not believe it to be a credible threat, so no plan was put into place.  This is why some idiots put the blame on Clinton.

    Torture was not authorized under his presidency.  Before Gitmo openned, the Abu Ghirab scandal was not authorized by anyone.  What happened at Gitmo was authorized by Congress and the U.S. Justice Department.  All of the people (aside from Obama, who wasn’t even a U.S. Senator yet) crying out against Gitmo first asked if what they were doing was going far enough.  If you’re going to blame Bush, you’re also going to have to blame every one of our elected officials, conservative and liberal.

    FEMA was run by an idiot.  If that was a Bush appointee, then it’s his fault.  If it wasn’t, it’s not.  I don’t know who appointed this person, but that’s the way it is.  Also, if you want to blame someone for Katrina, blame the people of New Orleans, because they were told for years by the Army Corps of Engineers that work needs to be done on the dykes, and the people didn’t want to spend the money.  However, instead of claiming any amount of personal responsibility, they claim Bush doesn’t like black people.

    The bailouts did begin on his watch, but the idea he proposed called for a lot less money, and called for CEO’s of companies that took the bailout money to have caps on their salaries, and that no company could use the funds for lobbying for more money.  These two caveats were taken out by Barrack Obama, so that he could blame Bush when he became President when the companies did what they did.  Funny, that’s exactly what he did.

    What money was wasted in Iraq?  If you’re talking about the war in and of itself, it was a war based on bad intelligence.  The CIA, Congress and the White House all believed that Hussien had WMD’s and was going to use them.  They also believed that he supported Al Queda.  Again, if you’re going to blame one, you have to blame them all.  That’s the whole point of checks and balances.  It makes it so one branch of the government has no more power than the other.

    Two more things:

    I have never heard President Bush blame President Clinton for anything other than the sliding economy when he took office.  He stopped doing that pretty quickly, too, as I recall.

    Barrack Obama, on the other hand, is blaming Bush for everything.  He’s blaming America for everything.  Eventually, all of these problems are going to be his, and he’s going to have to stop it.  The Iran and North Korea issue already are, because of his lack of words, much less action.  Afghanistan is already his, because of his troop surge there.  Gitmo is quickly becoming his, due to his actionless rhetoric involving it.  The economy is almost his, too, because of the failure of his first stimulus plan, and calls for another.  When his health care fails (one trillion dollars over ten years.  yeah, we can afford that), how will he blame Bush for that one?  Oh, I’m sure you’d find a way.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  69. jedidethfreak says:

    Point it out.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  70. jedidethfreak says:

    Yeah, Iran’s got nukes, rigged their presidential elections and wants to destroy Israel just because they’re Jews, and North Korea wants to launch a missile at Hawaii, but our President is going to discuss video games!  Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

    Instead of trying to get the door open to litigate the gaming industry (and you’re a fucktard if you think this isn’t what he’s trying to do), how about he do what he said he was going to do?  Like fix the economy, because he’s done a piss-poor job on that.  Or come up with a plan for closing Gitmo if he really wants to do it, because nobody wants them in their state, whether they think they’re terrorists or not.  Or, maybe, he can grow a pair of balls and actually deal with Iran and North Korea.  Mr. President, the time for rhetoric is over.  How about you do something?

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  71. nightwng2000 says:

    No, I said you and SeanB BOTH claim Mr. Obama IS making statements encouraging moderation and diversity.  He is not.  You have not proven he has.

    From one of your own posts earlier:

    "Obama isn’t saying never play games. Here’s merely saying that you should consider playing them less, and doing more productive things more."

    That’s not conpiracy theory about what you said.  That’s FACT.  Prove your claim or admit you’re a liar.  It’s that simple.

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  72. Pinworm says:

     SeanB, and you in a previous response, have stated he did not encourage moderation. 

    No clue why you’re talking about someone else in a reply to me, but I certainly never said he doesn’t encourage moderation, because my entire point is that’s exactly what he’s doing.

    "So, either provide the evidence of the claims you and SeanB made or admit you’ve lied and attempted to deceive others as to what was clearly stated by Mr. Obama."

    You’re right, me and some guy I never heard of lied in an attempt to deceive you. It’s all a massive conspiracy, and it would have worked too if it wasn’t for you meddling paranoid internet users.

    What are you, Jack Thompson?

  73. Im_Blue says:

    "Maybe it could be fixed by CLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE’S OWN ACTIONS, instead of BLAMING whatever somebody wants to, just to make themselves feel better."

    Um thats exactly what Mr Obama is doing.

  74. Mr.Pat says:

    Funny, I kept hearing for eight years how 9/11 was entirely Clinton’s fault. I also heard GWB was completely blameless for anything bad that happened during his two terms as president – it wasn’t his fault torture was authorized, it wasn’t his fault FEMA had a terrible person in charge of it during Katrina, it wasn’t his fault the bailouts began on his watch, it wasn’t his fault so much money has been wasted in Iraq…nothing was ever his fault, and if you ever thought he made a bad move, well you were just labled a terrorist sympathizer and America-hater.

     

    In short, practice what you preach, or STFU.

  75. jedidethfreak says:

    You don’t know anything about American politics, do you?  Democrats in this country NEVER ask people to take responsibility for themselves.  They always find something else to blame.  If you would have actually read my post, instead of assuming some holier-than-thou attitude, you might have understood where I was coming from.

     

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  76. jedidethfreak says:

    And where are you from?  Name a country, and I’ll come up with a crisis for it.

     

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  77. nightwng2000 says:

    What irony?  Proving FACTUAL EVIDENCE that he stated clearly that people could continue to do one thing while moderating and diversifying their activities as opposed to stopping entirely one activity, no longer doing it, and doing something else, something that HE approves of.

    SeanB, and you in a previous response, have stated he did not encourage moderation.  That he, in fact, stated that people could participate in media such as video games, in moderation, and have a positive experience with that moderation. 

    So, either provide the evidence of the claims you and SeanB made or admit you’ve lied and attempted to deceive others as to what was clearly stated by Mr. Obama.

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  78. Pinworm says:

    "Are your eyes open only to what you WANT to hear or see from him and closed to the rest?" 

    I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear you over the sound of massive irony flying over your head.

    I hate Obama and he’s terrible, by the way.

  79. Pinworm says:

    "Well, we are facing that.  Maybe it could be fixed by CLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE’S OWN ACTIONS, instead of BLAMING whatever somebody wants to" 

    Didn’t read anything more than this, because I can already tell you’re a tard.

    Obama is suggesting something (quite simple), so they can you know, claim responsibility for their own actions and apply that to make a change.

    You’re in denial if you don’t think many people need to make that change, by the way.

  80. Pinworm says:

    Uh huh, another problem is people who take everything like fear mongering and an assault on the things they like.

    Obama isn’t saying never play games. Here’s merely saying that you should consider playing them less, and doing more productive things more.

    And considering America’s current obesity crisis and nothing-short-of-pathetic student results, he’s not fearmongering enough, because right now fear isn’t an issue, the time for worry and fear is passed, you ARE IN a crisis. 

  81. jedidethfreak says:

    Well, we are facing that.  Maybe it could be fixed by CLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE’S OWN ACTIONS, instead of BLAMING whatever somebody wants to, just to make themselves feel better.  Democrats don’t believe in people taking personal responsibility.  They just want to blame whatever they can.  Dr. Tiller killed by a psycho?  Bill O’Reilly’s fault, because he called him a baby killer.  International terrorism?  President Bush’s fault, even though terrorism existed long before he was born, much less President.  Americans are fat, lazy and stupid?  Gotta be video games, because if it weren’t for games and games alone, everyone would get up at five o’clock every morning doing sprints and jumping jacks, always doing their homework on time.

    Well, Dems, if you want to blame any particular thing, I say blame your theory that it’s nobody’s fault, you can always blame someone else.  This mode of thought allows people to believe that NOTHING is their fault (i.e. murder, rape, terrorism).  In short, I blame Democrats.

     

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  82. nightwng2000 says:

    The implication that any one thing is solely bad for you so you must give it up entirely is the biggest problem we face.  Fearmongering is far more unintelligent than the products we are exposed to.

    Too much of any one thing can be bad for any number of individuals.

    But moderation and diversity, along with a heavy dose of intelligent research can allow any individual to have positive results without going "cold turkey" on anything.

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  83. nightwng2000 says:

    Read his statement and all his prior statements.  I read them.  I don’t need to interpret them.  His statements specifically state that people should choose OTHER, not in addition to, not moderate, not diversity, but choose OTHER forms of entertainment, education, and expression OTHER THAN video games.  Individuals and Parents should make their own decisions as to what is or is not appropriate for themselves or their own children without being ostracized for their choices which may be different than his or other people’s choices. 

    Trying to demonize one form of media with the implications that said media has ONLY negative results while ignoring the positives as well as ignoring the negatives of other forms of media IS demonizing that media. 

    Are your eyes open only to what you WANT to hear or see from him and closed to the rest?  The alternative I offered didn’t leave the impression that the media I was referring to had only positive or only negative impacts.  It’s a far more intelligent approach than just choosing one view over another and alienating the segment of society that DOES like that form of media. 

    I saw enough of that "I see what I want to see and nothing else" from that twit over at the Washington Times.  How about proving yourself better than that.

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  84. Pinworm says:

     "He’s been saying that games make people fat and dumb for a while now."

    Yeah, what lunacy, it’s not like USA is facing an obesity epidemic or a rapidly widening gap in intelligence and education compared to other countries.

  85. jedidethfreak says:

    He’s been saying that games make people fat and dumb for a while now.  How about you pay attention.

    I predict that he’s going to attempt to make gaming a scapegoat to allow his health care plan and education reform forward.

     

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  86. Snipzor says:

     I believe I specifically said that the numbers actually went up if you bothered to read on further. Which they have, by a lot. That in itself actually makes it worse.

  87. Mendror says:

    Wow, congratulations on qouting 2007 figures that has nothing to do with our 2009 figures.

  88. jedidethfreak says:

    That’s the thing.  The unions that Dems get their money from don’t want the oversight.  They just want a blank check given to them to spend on whatever they want.

     

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  89. ZippyDSMlee says:

    Well I mean if it was going to spent why not spend it in country for the peole insted of tech that we wont use by the time its implemented…but…ya…oversight would be nice….

     


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  90. jedidethfreak says:

    You mean, all of the places that ask for blank checks with no oversight, right?  Yeah, more money is really going to fix that.

     

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  91. ZippyDSMlee says:

    Would be nice to see that money spent on inner cities,rural counties,shcools and infrastructure…

     


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  92. ZippyDSMlee says:

    Still dose not mean there are not black holes, nor a real increase in taking care of the soldiers…

     


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  93. Thomas McKenna says:

     Yeah, a lot of money, nearly half of which goes directly to R&D.  Most technological advancements have at least some military funding, in both the private, government, and educational levels.

    It’s one thing to just blindly state that the US military gets the most money than any other in the world, and an entirely different thing to actually look where that money goes.  Obama’s cuts to the DoD recently have done nothing but cut new technologies from being funded and explored, and he’s supposed to be the presidential candidate who supports the advancement of technology.  Ironic that.

  94. Austin_Lewis says:

    Actually, under Obama, only the budget for Afghanistan saw an increase.  The budget for new projects, maintenance of certain vehicles and crafts, and for experiments dropped DRASTICALLY.

  95. Snipzor says:

    Yes, actually, money is being thrown at it. As you can see here (2007 spending, imagine a two year increase).

    Upkeep for million dollar jets, contractors/mercs, god knows where the rest of it goes. You want to talk about fiscal black holes? The defense budget. In fact, the budget increased under Obama, so I nor anybody else have any clue where you get this statement from.

    "They’re actually getting most of their projects shut down to fund Obama’s newest acquisitions."

  96. chadachada321 says:

    No no no, we spend more on national OFFENSE than any other nation on the planet. Think of the small amount of money that is actually going to national DEFENSE. We need to stop wasting money in other countries (stop giving money to Israel, stop wasting money in Iraq/Afghanistan, etc). With all the money that we waste in national offense, our taxes could be lower, more could be spent on national defense, and we’d give off a better impression to the world, one like Switzerland.

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  97. Austin_Lewis says:

    Which is why our soldiers make great money.  Wait…

    Surely, Dianne Feinstein would throw a fit if they cut military spending; then she wouldn’t be able to demand the military fly her around on a private jet. 

    The military isn’t getting money ‘thrown at it’ by any means.  They’re actually getting most of their projects shut down to fund Obama’s newest acquisitions.

  98. Snipzor says:

    America spends more on defense than any other nation on the planet, and then some. By now, the military is just getting money thrown at it.

  99. jedidethfreak says:

    You really think that a Democrat is going to lower taxes?  If they cut defense spending, they’d spend that money somewhere else, and still demand higher taxes.

     

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  100. Kincyr says:

    apples and oranges… one’s the first lady while the other could’ve been vice-president. only the VP has any official power

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  101. jedidethfreak says:

    I’d respond, but I can’t understand what you wrote.

    Also, Michelle Obama is just as kooky as people claim Palin is.  You’re just too in love with the Obama’s to see it.

     

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  102. ZippyDSMlee says:

    …. you gotta understand…… if she was a valid poli..er…wait thats an oxy moron…..er…. valid government official..er….. still an oxy moron…. er…. valid official that dose not suck the IQ out of room when she speaks then it would be different.  Unfortunately shes a party shill who’s is tant amount to Pairs Hilton of fashion, while she might be worth while in some aspects of that niche(Palin=poltics) shes not there for her brains or style….the same can be said for Impalin only her fou red neck style is more appericated. Obama is a bit of of an empty suit tho hes much more intelligent than bush and Chaney combined but he’s to busy politicing to give a damn about much ,the contuniation of the sataus quo marches on only different orfaces are raped in the process.

    And frankly Boughthim(Bidean) is as bad as Cheany in some respects tho not as vicious  but as lack luster even  with that going for him hes a better choice than a witless governor…though…I would like to see Mcain as the VP for Obama…. but in the end politics(mass mind fcks) and the status quo(pillage/plundering of the populace) will remain until the system breaks.

    ….you just did not compare the kookiness levels of Sara Palin and Michelle Obama….. one sticks her foot in her mouth every other time she speaks the other gaffes now and then that don’t even try and divide by zero on a grand scale…sorry…Palin is a shallow wittless celb governor even more so than the GOVENATOR…..
    The whole "proud American" gaffe can be written off as a blond moment but half the things Impalin says or DOSE NOT SAY because she simply dose not know how government or law works is just to damn much to be taken seriously.

    I’ll give Mcsame some credit but S.Palin=P.Hilton shes just that lulzy. Tho I must say she has the charisma and drive of Bill Clinton, if she was a male/man izer(sp) she would be a dead ringer for him 70% of the time…..

     

     


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  103. jedidethfreak says:

    Why is Palin a slutty banshee?  I don’t understand why people get on her.  She’s a responsible parent, goes to her kid’s activities and runs a pretty tight ship in her state.  Yeah, she made some kooky comments, but no kookier than Michelle Obama’s "This is the first time I’ve been proud to be an American" speech, but everybody swoons over her.

     

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  104. ZippyDSMlee says:

    Well it came down to 4 more years of the reapers of let the dims rape the healed orifices….if mcsame/slutty banshee was not  more likely to win than RP……………

    Don;t get me wrong Mcain is not so bad but the fact he allowed the reaper party to completely run him and his campaign into the ground…

     

    Next time tho…I will start voteing for anything that is not part of the main 2 parties….


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  105. jedidethfreak says:

    I wrote in Ron Paul.

     

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  106. ZippyDSMlee says:

    You do realize the reapers are more and less inclined to help others right? Not saying the dims are any worse in the long run you just trade flaws and incompetents.

    Hell IMO the reapers are so damn greedy they commit constant treason in the name of persoanly gain the only reason its over looked is becuse the other side is jsut a corrupt and worthless.

    Also the reason why some people are for the Dims is social rights, the reapers want more social restrictions and less business/government restrictions, the dims have been lost since the collapse of the US manufacturing base(early/mid 90-s,reapers been lost sine mid to late 70’s) and now they are so multi headed party of incompetence but tis either them or the dark lords who want inane moralism on the streetd but non behind the doors of the rich.

    Its basically kind, dumb and selfish aristocrats vrs mean,old and greedy totalitarians, by the end of  day your stupid for picking one of them.
    And yes stupid  voted for bama….I should have wrote in Ron Paul….uhg…..

     

     Its called pandering and sound bites, its liek words from a zombie that only other zombies can hear it has no meat or merit.


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  107. Wormdundee says:

    I’ll have to agree with Zalethon on this one. He could probably word it better, but I don’t think he’s advocating not letting your kids play video games. You are correct, playing games is very important to child development, but not at the sacrifice of reading and such.

    I think what he’s trying to do is advocate balance.

  108. DraginHikari says:

    So what your telling me that as long as the situation is bad enough, it can never be a person’s fault because they have no say in the matter because of what kind of situation is born in?

    That’s bull.   Unless it’s a issue involved mental retardation or some type of disability that really does prevent a person from doing well.   It is still every person’s responsibility to either do something about it or take the lazy route and allow people to make excuse for them.   If you are capbale of making a choice you can chose to do something about the problem.  This goes for students as well as teachers, parents, etc.

    What I have a problem with is this excuse your talking about as gone beyond mental retardation or disability to using it for anything of the slightly to blame anyone else for the fact that a student fails.  I failed a few classes here and there too, wasn’t anyones fail but my own. 

    You CANNOT talk about education problems and not consider an issue with the students end and just blame Teachers and Parents.   Nothing is ever that simple.

  109. jedidethfreak says:

    Well, maybe if Social Services would actually take crack babies from crack-addicted mothers, it wouldn’t be an issue, but as long as moms have the ultimate right to their children, that won’t happen.

     

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  110. Pinworm says:

    There’s a massive difference between being responsible for your actions and knowing which actions to take.

    I suppose children born of crack addicted mothers should be held responsible for being crack addicts huh?

    How stupid. Typical shit said be people who were born to a good family. You have no clue.

  111. DraginHikari says:

    No, no.   Everyone has to be responsible for their own actions and there own life, this includes students.   Telling them they are never responsible for what they are or who they are is just another excuse really.

  112. Pinworm says:

    One thing you can not do when it comes to education is blame the students. You simply can not do that. Even if the child is the worst kid imaginable and thus would rather do drugs than school; that’s still not their fault, it’s the parents. Or possibly his location, but even then it’s the parents job to raise them right.

    Americans can not raise children. 

  113. hellfire7885 says:

    Basicly you spoke out agaisnt the type of kid that woudl rather skip reading in class and get right ot viewing them ovie, whiel talking trhough the movie.


  114. Snipzor says:

    We aren’t talking about the achievers, we are talking about those who do not like reading, and not the types who like playing RPGs either. All he is doing is promoting reading over the specific videogames that dumb us down.

    Also, the situation in Illinois is confusing to anyone. Education can only be fixed through social inniciatives, promotion campaigns. Parents and teachers have nothing to do with it, well parents do, but teachers are doing their best. But in the end, Illinois problem lies directly in the cultural and social barriers. Not to forget a large series of corruption. But I don’t exactly understand why Obama can’t do anything to help this social problem, just because he is from Illinois. Sorry, but that statement is illogical, or rather unsubstantive.

  115. chadachada321 says:

    I blame the students and teachers, and the parents a bit too. If you’re old enough to be in 8th grade and you STILL can’t even pass the classes, you’re clearly not fit for survival in this world.

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  116. Pinworm says:

     (in ways that reading text in a game doesn’t, by the way)

    Then all digital reading is worthless?

    Uh, no?

    How does saying text in a game doesn’t stimulate the brain in ways reading does say that.. reading.. doesn’t stimulat the brain like.. reading.

    that doesn’t even make sense.

    That would be like if I said "my bikes tires are flat" you take that to mean that no airplanes can land because their tires are flat.. what the hell does that have to do with anything? That’s not even close to what I said.

  117. Pinworm says:

     "You think I’m fat? I’m a 115 pound girl who exercises. Where’s your arguement now?"

    I don’t know, you tell me, because I don’t remember ever making the argument that excercising makes you fat. Ever. Please, show me that. Show me where I said "people who excercise will be fat".

    I’ll be waiting.

  118. ZippyDSMlee says:

    Well the new BDI ratio or whatever it is yes you can be fat if you are short for youer age/gender……… god its like new math only mroe retarted…..

     


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  119. Kraytheili says:

    You think I’m fat? I’m a 115 pound girl who exercises. Where’s your arguement now? Reading is imporant, yeah, but just because people like to play games rather than read books doesn’t mean their stupid. You don’t have to push peole down to get your point across. Maybe you should have read about that somewhere. Learn to accept others ideals. I accept Obama’s idea to get kids reading, I’m not against it, I just know that video games aren’t stopping them from reading.

  120. ZippyDSMlee says:

    (in ways that reading text in a game doesn’t, by the way)

    Then all digital reading is worthless?

    BAH!

     

    Neither are sacrosanct…. and neither are ultimately productive by theme selfs….the inspiration,ideas and understandings from by each can make other things better but alone they are practically worthless.

     


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  121. Pinworm says:

     Increased vocabulary, reading stimulates many areas of the brain (in ways that reading text in a game doesn’t, by the way) that improves it’s ability to process, improves focus and concentration, and I could go on but what’s the point. You tards will stick with your fallacy that playing games is actually productive.

    Don’t get me wrong, by the way. I love games, I play all the time. But are you REALLY suggesting that reading should be avoided because it will make you fat like games and has no benefits?

    Retards.

    Even ignoring the fact that no one says you should read to the point where you get fat, that’s just ridiculous.

  122. jedidethfreak says:

    Aside from increasing reading comprehension, what advantage does reading have over games?  That’s the only thing I can find in reading that you can’t get from gaming, due to the fact that most games don’t get all Shakespearian with their writing.

     

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  123. JDKJ says:

    Actually, that would be Austin "I Read at a Sophomore Level When I Was Seven" Lewis failing, once again, to understand plain English. Or perhaps, as is his tendency, re-writing someone else’s plain English to suit his own needs. Ron Karenga’s Umoja principle as he states it says nothing about a "strong race." Rather, it calls for "unity" in the race.  

  124. Im_Blue says:

    Well I should have been more clear. I meant the nuclear family. Yes the ‘family unit’ has been active through most history but is often totally different than the current western unit. Often what we wouldn’t describe as ‘family’. The point I was trying to make was that yes the family is important but the family can mean so many different things that it can be misleading to talk about the ‘decline’ of the family unit.

    I should have explained more but I was dumbfounded by the race comment to be honest.

  125. FlakAttack says:

    Thats funny, sociology always taught me the family unit was a myth.

    Sweet jesus, someone needs to shoot whoever taught you that. The family unit is the base entity for most societies on the planet, and has been for all of recorded history.

  126. Im_Blue says:

    "If you knew anything about sociology, however, you’d know that in order to produce a strong community, a strong nation, or a strong race, the family unit must be strong. "

    Thats funny, sociology always taught me the family unit was a myth.

     

    Also we need to produce a strong race? What the fuck is this the Third Reich?

  127. JDKJ says:

    I saw that, too, but passed on it. I don’t think the term "negro" has been used in the last 50 years, at least not by anyone with a full set of front teeth. 

  128. JDKJ says:

    We can specualte as to reasons for the self-refutation all we want, if it is indeed that. He could just as easily be acknowledging the fact that Kwanzaa isn’t nearly as religious in nature as it is political and, therefore, may well be able to peacefully co-exist with one’s religious observances. The fact remains that his original postion was that Kwanzaa is intended to be an alternative to Christmas. And, to return to the original point under discussion before you get too involved in your attempt to lead me down this side trail, Kwanzaa isn’t solely or even primarily about re-establishing family ideals. And any attempt to define it as such smacks of ignorance.    

  129. Austin_Lewis says:

    (1997( Kwanzaa: A Celebration of Family, Community, and Culture, "Kwanzaa was not created to give people an alternative to their own religion or religious holiday."[

    Sounds like a quick about face from his original stance.  Maybe because he didn’t really care for his original stance and was just posturing?  Hmmmmm.

  130. JDKJ says:

    You can sit there all day and try to impute to Ron Karenga your own personal beliefs and opinions. But nowhere in the available literature on the subject of Kwanzaa or Ron Karenga does it suggest any of the things you are suggesting as to Karenga placing primary importance on the family unit in his founding of Kwanzaa or that he saw unity in the family as a neccessary prerequisite to unity in the community, nation, and race. In fact, the literature and Karenga’s own statements on the issue suggest that he was primarily motivated by his disbelief in the relevance of the Christmas holiday to African Americans and was most interested in providing an alternative with greater relevance and utility to his community. If you know of some source other than you own ignorance which supports your view of the inner workings of Ron Karenga’s mind, then please share them with me.

    And what’s odd about a radical Black Nationalist in the 1960s being arrested for kipnapping? If you knew a lick about Black History, you’d know that most of the major players from the Radical Black Movement in the 1960s were either arrested, imprisoned, murdered by law enforcement, or forced into exile. 

  131. Austin_Lewis says:

    If you knew anything about sociology, however, you’d know that in order to produce a strong community, a strong nation, or a strong race, the family unit must be strong.  I know, I know, that may be a big concept for you, but I’m about to run out to the store so you can spend another 20 minutes trying to come up with something else to say to that.

    In the 1960’s Karenga (who, oddly enough, was arrested in the 70’s for kidnapping and something else) was trying to foster a strong black community.  That was the reason for the creation of the holiday.  He knew that in order for the black community to survive, it would need to be a strong community, especially in the 60’s (faced with all the prejudice and violence of the days).  As such, he wanted a holiday which would remind people of the values that had made their people able to live for so long in the hard lands of Africa.  Once again, the smallest unit of the community is the FAMILY, so he knew he would need to teach values that would strengthen family, then community, then nation, then race. 

  132. JDKJ says:

    Does your ignorance know no bounds, Mr. Lewis? How can you read what you, yourself, have provide and even begin to think that it anywhere near supports the conclusion that Kwanzaa is a holiday which can be defined solely as dedicated to re-establishing the ideal of the family? Unless you’re a half-wit?

    Firstly, the seven pronciples are not listed in any order of importance. They are of equal importance. That Umoja is the first appearing and first celebrated principle doesn’t make it one bit more important than any of the other principles and certainly doesn’t make it the sole principle upon which Kwanzaa should be defined. But even if it was, your feeble attempt to re-define the principle as being solely about "the unit of a family unit, the basic unit for our society’s growth" suggest that either you are a non-reading-and-comprehending idiot or that you take me for one. By the very terms of the information you have provided, Umoja speaks not only to the family nor most importantly so. It also speaks with equal importance to a unity in community, nation, and race.

    And I could give give a rat’s ass if you spent a lot of time working with Harriet Tubman on the Underground Railroad or were invited to receive a NAACP Image Award from the Rev. Al Sharpton. You’d still be as ignorant as a cow’s ass. And still obviously racist.  

  133. Austin_Lewis says:

    I suggest next time you read a wikipedia artilce, you read it all the way through.  You see, there are 7 principles of Kwanzaa.  When Black nationalist Ron Karenga established Kwanzaa, he saw his community in great need of those 7 principles, the ideals which had allowed them to live from day to day in Africa.  One of the top principles was the unity of the family and community.

    From the same wiki you half-read:

    Kwanzaa celebrates what its founder called "The Seven Principles of Kwanzaa," or Nguzo Saba (originally Nguzu Saba – "The Seven Principles of Blackness"), which Karenga said "is a communitarian African philosophy" consisting of what Karenga called "the best of African thought and practice in constant exchange with the world." These seven principles comprise Kawaida, a Swahili term for tradition and reason. Each of the seven days of Kwanzaa is dedicated to one of the following principles, as follows:

    • Umoja (Unity) To strive for and to maintain unity in the family, community, nation and race.
    • Kujichagulia (Self-Determination) To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves.
    • Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility) To build and maintain our community together and make our brothers’ and sisters’ problems our problems and to solve them together.
    • Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics) To build and maintain our own stores, shops and other businesses and to profit from them together.
    • Nia (Purpose) To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness.
    • Kuumba (Creativity) To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.
    • imani (Faith) To believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders and the righteousness and victory of our struggle.

    Unity.  As in the UNITY OF A FAMILY UNIT, THE BASIC UNIT FOR OUR SOCIETY’S GROWTH.

    PROTIP: Next time you read a wiki article, read the whole way through.  Also, don’t try to debate with someone who spends a lot of time working with Social Workers.  They know this stuff.  So do the people who keep inviting me to exhibits at the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center.

  134. JDKJ says:

    Kwanzaa is not a holiday dedicated to trying to re-establish the ideal of the family nor is that claimed need the inspiration for Kwanzaa. Kwanzaa, which was founded by the Black Nationalist Ron Karenga, is a celebration of African heritage and is intended to provide an alternative to the Euro-centric holiday of Christmas celebrated by the dominant culture in American society.

    Protip: If you don’t have the slighest clue of what you’re talking about, then there’s no shame in just shutting the fuck up. Beats the Hell out of opening your mouth and sounding like an idiot who has no clue of what they’re talking about.

  135. jedidethfreak says:

    According to libs, only white people can be racist and only men can be sexist.  That’s why white people are not able to be defended by hate crime laws, and women can’t be charged with rape against a man.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  136. Austin_Lewis says:
    Re: On Father’s Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games …

    Well for the past few days, he has been addressing the problems in black communities, so it is only logical that his statement is alongside those of the past few days. But as I said eariler, public education being fixed has a higher impact than personal educational growth.

    But only I’m racist, eh?  Obviously, the fact that he’s been trying to talk to the black community has nothing to do with it.  So what, only rich people can be racist?  Only republicans?  Only white people?  

    When your ‘community’ has to have a whole holiday dedicated to trying to re-establish the ideal of the family, I’d say it has a problem with the whole family concept.  By the way, that holiday is Kwanzaa.  I’m not saying the people of the negro persuasion are bad, or lesser than others, I’m saying that, as a community, they need to pull together and do some fathering.  Apparently, Obama agrees with me, for once.

     

  137. JDKJ says:

    What, no pithy response regarding your inability to read and understand a plain English article on GamePolitics? 

    And, by the way, your obvious racism doesn’t make you any kind of expert on the Black community. It just makes you . . . racist. 

  138. Austin_Lewis says:

    I get printed news from CNN.com on my cell phone.  Sorry for not making that clearer for you.

  139. Bennett Beeny says:

    I agree with responsible parenting.  I just don’t think that’s necessarily what he’s advocating.  Games are just as important as schoolwork to a child’s development.  Kids get tons of real world expertise through playing games, and video games are no exception to that.  I worry when too much emphasis is placed on scholastic achievement.  The adage "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" comes to mind.  There needs to be a balance, because too much one way or the other is a bad thing.  I think that’s why so-called ‘gifted’ schools (which are basically programs of super-intensive education) screw so many kids up.

    When Obama says "We need to replace that video game with a book" I worry, because replacing one with the other is just going from one extreme to another.  Why can’t we have both in moderation?

  140. SeanB says:

    He’s promoting responsible parenting, something we all agree with.

    "We need to replace that video game with a book and make sure that homework gets done"

  141. jedidethfreak says:

    France also has almost no military to speak of, and they as a country have been hijacked by illegal Muslim immigrants.  Thank you, but I’ll stick with the USA.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  142. Snipzor says:

    The dollar has nothing to do with France’s excellent healthcare. Taxes do, but does it lower quality of life? Again, no, France has the highest quality of life in the world. I can say this having lived there, also being part Belgian.

  143. jedidethfreak says:

    Just commenting on Snipzor’s France comment.  I’m part French, so I feel I can get away with it.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  144. jedidethfreak says:

    French people don’t bathe.  They have the best health care in the world because of their inordinantly high taxes, and because the dollar has sunk as of late.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  145. Snipzor says:

    That’s like saying "Converting to single payer is useless, just look at South America", oh wait, bad example. France exists with the best healthcare in the world.

    Stop using bad examples.

  146. Austin_Lewis says:

    Throwing money at public education will never yield results.  Chicago is a great example of that.

  147. Krono says:

    And another thing, and this has been pissing me off for years, shut up about songs on the radio glorifying violence.  They’ve done that since time began. 

    It’d be amusing to look back in history and see exactly how many ballads/drinking songs glorified war, slaughtering one’s enemies, dying gloriously in battle, etc. I’d imagine it’s a fairly high percentage.

    -Gray17

  148. JDKJ says:

    If you were able to read at a sophomore level when you were 7 years old, what the Hell happened between then and now? Because just this week you read the Daniel Petric article posted here and completely failed to understand that (a) Petric had already been found guilty and (b) he’d been found guilty of not two counts of murder but, rather, only one. That’s not exactly what I would call reading at a sophomore level.

    And you couldn’t have seen an "article" on CNN. The word "article" can’t be properly used to describe anything appearing on television. It’s only applies to print media.  Give the word "segment" a try, next time.

    If your parents threw money at having you privately educated at Duke, then that didn’t work well, either. They apparently don’t have too much to show for the expenditure. 

  149. Snipzor says:

    Well for the past few days, he has been addressing the problems in black communities, so it is only logical that his statement is alongside those of the past few days. But as I said eariler, public education being fixed has a higher impact than personal educational growth.

  150. Austin_Lewis says:

    This whole ‘swap games for books’ line of bullshit is getting tired and annoying.  When I was 7, I read at a sophomore level, due to games like Final Fantasy, books like The Lord of the Rings, Shogun, and Les Miserables, and a bit of self-motivation.  My son is progressing at the same rate, and we game all the time.  A lot of RPG action (Star Oceans, Final Fantasy(s), Kingdom Hearts, the list is endless), games that have a ton of text and interesting characters, those can teach kids to read just as well as books.

    And another thing, and this has been pissing me off for years, shut up about songs on the radio glorifying violence.  They’ve done that since time began.  When I was little, I listened to songs like ‘Rifles of the IRA’, Weila Weila Weilla, etc, old gaelic songs that were mostly about violence, or contained violent themes.  Sure, music on the radio today (looking at rap and hiphop here) is pretty violent, but its not the violence that we need to be annoyed with; its the treatment of women mentioned in the song, along with the fact that a lot of people don’t have parents that actually teach them right for wrong.

    Of course, I saw on CNN the other day an article suggesting that most of these statements were meant for the black community, so in that light, they do make sense.  Those families, for the most part, need more parental involvement.

  151. Pinworm says:

     Yeah, because reading has absolutely no benefits at all that games don’t.

    Jesus gamers, I’m with you, but sometimes you tards make it hard.

  152. Kraytheili says:

    Also, I think books only exercise your brain, not your body. So you can still get fat while reading book. Just saying, unless your in a treadmill, it’s the same as sitting down.

  153. ZippyDSMlee says:

    Simple to the point pandering on feel good shallow messages, ah poli’s you gotta love them…….

     


    I am a criminal because I purchase media,I am a criminal because I use media, I am a criminal because I chose to own media..We shall remain criminals until Corporate stay’s outside our bedrooms..


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  154. jedidethfreak says:

    This is why I never understood why most gamers vote Democrat.  They don’t see that Dems love to replace personal responsibility with a scapegoat, and the newest one is gaming.  Listen to Obama over the last few days.  According to him, gaming is the biggest reason we are fat, lazy and stupid.  I graduated high school with a 3.8 GPA and got a 97th Percentile on the ASVAB when I joined the Marine Corps.  I’ve been playing games for over 20 years.

    I just wish he’d stay out of people’s lives.

     

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  155. Mukake says:

    This is why it always amazes me when people talk about how "cool" and “techie” Obama is and why he supposedly appeals to "young" people". He seems to so resent popular culture, especially video games, which are the fastest growing media industry. And because the Cult of Obama couldn’t imagine disagreeing with him we have to hear a bunch of BS about how we can all agree that people should read more and play video games less.

    Face it, Obama seems to really hate video games. While Bush seemed indifferent or aloof to the existence of video games, Obama sees it as a major, if not the most major as he mentions it so often, factor of obesity, parental neglect, and scholastic under-achievement. He seems to think video games are the “oils” of the lifestyle pyramid: something that you can have, but only on occasion and with small portions.

    And finally, books are not inherently superior to video games, if ANYTHING they are inferior. A game can offer everything a book can plus interaction, which is, hands down, far more stimulating than just passively reading a book. That is to say, though, that I still read, but game far more often. The problem is that the writing for games is still really bad for the most part, with most of the best games having only adequate story lines, but is hopefully getting better.

  156. PHOENIXZERO says:

    I wonder, how much text does the typical RPG have? Granted reading is being replaced with voice acting (though I still can’t help but to read along with the VO though probably not as closely as I use to) over the years but there’s still a lot of unspoken dialog.


  157. Ashkihyena says:

    Wait, I know that education is good, but you don’t want to protect this country and keep the military funded?  Seriously?

  158. Austin_Lewis says:

    Why can’t they do both?  My son seems to pull off the whole ‘reading and video gaming’ thing pretty well, and I don’t even have to bug him about reading.  Everytime I go to Barnes and Nobles, I pick up a few books, and he picks up a few books too. 

    Oh, by the way snipzor, I wouldn’t expect any useful education fixes under Obama.  He comes from Illinois, one of those states that is a black hole for education dollars.  Why, just today, I saw this, http://cbs2chicago.com/local/bradwell.elementary.8th.2.1047246.html, and nearly laughed myself into a coma.  Personally, I blame the parents AND the teachers.

     

  159. SeanB says:

    give him time. Many of the issues you’ve made comments on will probably be acted on in the very new future. He can only move as fast as your society will let him.

  160. Snipzor says:

    Why not? I would definitely have my kids (Not that I have any or will have any) read books than play videogames.

    But then again, I would rather have the education system fixed than to fund the military, Obama. I would rather have single payer healthcare, a system that works, instead of a public option which amounts to little. I would rather have a liberal than a neoliberal in office. Just a suggestion.

  161. nightwng2000 says:

    Mr. Obama,

    Instead of slamming and demonizing an industry and consumer base as well as a significant segement of the citizens of the US based on their personal choice leisure, education, and/or expression methods, perhaps you should be encouraging:

    The spreading of knowledge regarding the significant existing resources for individuals and Parents to use to be fully informed regarding the products they choose to deem appropriate or not appropriate for themselves or their children.

    The moderation of a variety of activities, from gaming, to religious exposure, to TV watching, to even expsure to the outside (from heat exhaustion to skin cancer from over exposure to the sun, etc), and other activities which have BOTH positive AND negative potentials.

    The use of diversity in one’s activities, in combination with moderation.  Encouraging enjoyment, education, and expression in a variety of ways to encourage the broading of the mind, body, and whatever equivilant of "the spirit" any particiular individual believes in.

    Really, there are more intelligent ways to proceed than alienating a segment of society because of something you don’t share in common with them.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

    Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  162. SeanB says:

    Slamming, Demonizing, Alienating. 3 Words you used in your "letter"

    He wants dad’s to help with homework. Wow, horrible guy this obama person is.

    At no point has he ever said video games were bad, he just said there were better ways to spend your time.

  163. Snipzor says:

    Don’t worry about me, I just vented, hell I supported and support him. I don’t blame him for many of the things that has happened, I blame the conservative democrats. Sorry, let me try that again. I blame the hyper-conservative democrats who get in the way of economic and social progress.

  164. Kraytheili says:

    Hah, are you kidding me? My DAD is playing Resident Evil 5 in front of me as I type this. If you want you’re kid to get smarter, sure give him a book, but video games aren’t making stupid kids. I learned to read fast from Pokemon and Final Fantasy 7, and I’m sure a lot of people have played at least Final Fantasy and know that in depth characters and storyline aren’t all just in books. Face it, books and video games basically the same, only playing video games is albeit more expensive. However, in both there are limits on who can play a game, and who should read a book. The only difference there is that video games have a rating system, books do not.

     

    I’m not bashing books, I love books, I’m bashing people who think video games are a bad influence (and I’m not including games like GTA) and that "books are better" when there are books out there that are definitely not for children (a term called "smut books" I believe).

     

    My father enjoys video games, and I’m sure many fathers out there do as well, and that’s how I bonded with my dad. We can sit and talk for hours about how the T-Virus was created and how the storyline amazed us, or discuss the similarities between Cortana and Leela or Durandal from Marathon and how the games are intertwined. Hell, I used to sit and watch my dad play Marathon, and I was so little I couldn’t read very well and he would read the terminals for me and explain what was going on.

     

    Isn’t that what Father’s Day is about? Loving your children and having them remind dad’s all over the country how they have impacted their lives? Sure, books can be just as bonding, but it’s not the only way.

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