On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games for Books

June 21, 2009 -

Repeating a theme that he frequently touched upon during his 2008 election campaign, President Barack Obama has once again referenced video games as a metaphor for academic underachievement.

In a Father's Day message published in Parade, Obama writes:

We need to set limits and expectations. We need to replace that video game with a book and make sure that homework gets done... We need to tell our sons, Those songs on the radio may glorify violence, but in our house, we find glory in achievement, self-respect, and hard work.

Interestingly, the Parade feature is Obama's third mention of video games in the last 10 days. On June 11th he told an audience in Wisconsin:

The world has gotten competitive. The Chinese, the Indians, they're coming at us and they're coming at us hard, and they're hungry, and they're really buckling down.

And they watch - their kids watch a lot less TV than our kids do, play a lot fewer video games, they're in the classroom a lot longer.

Last Monday the President mentioned games during a speech to the American Medical Association in Chicago:

[Preventive care] starts with each of us taking more responsibility for our health and the health of our children. It means... raising our children to step away from the video games and spend more time playing outside.


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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

No.  Anything wrong with my life is my own fault, and I take personal responsibility for them and do what I can to fix them.  A lot of the things wrong with the country are the fault of Congress and the President (on both sides of the political spectrum).  I happen to agree with a lot of what Republicans have to say, because I am a conservative, but not all.  If there would happen to be a true centrist (and Obama isn't, our march to Socialism is proof), I'd probably vote for him, regardless of political offiliation (with the exception of the Green party, I don't think weed should be legal).

Any other personal attacks against me you'd like to throw out instead of logic?  I know it's the liberal pasttime.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

"Hate" is not the word I'd use, especialy given the people (JT, etc) for whom the term really applies.

There are statistics that show that older people are increasingly groking the social networking scene ; I can back that up anecdotaly with the laundry list of my mom's friends and family who have gotten on Facebook in the last several months, none of them especaily geeky or computer-savy, or serious gamers.  So the gameing = lazy underachievers line is ignorant, yes, but I'd say he's still batting above average on the whole for his age group, and the responsable parenting angle is way better than we would have gotten if it was, say, Clinton who got ellected.

And I disagree that books are solely passive, once you sic an active imagination on them.  Games, you are still ultimately contrained by what the designers enable you to do, and only a few designers are really able to deliver on the promise of interactive freedom.

 

Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Well they are passive in a sense you are jsut reading, games can be as much and both have only a few items within that are truely great.

 


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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

I guess he's only OK with people playing games he can put his face in so he can get their votes. Then promptly sell them down the river.

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Now you get it.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Oh pull your head out your arse, I've been saying that all along.

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Really, don't go down this road and make the same mistake that I did.  Accept the fact that Jedid is GP's version of Limbaugh and move on.  If he says something I suggest smiling and nodding.  Toss in an "I agree" if you really want to take the wind out of his sails.

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Agreeing with me wouldn't take the wind out of my sails.  Using logic instead of personal attacks might, but only because I wouldn't expect it on these boards.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Simple to the point pandering on feel good shallow messages, ah poli's you gotta love them.......

 


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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

This is why it always amazes me when people talk about how "cool" and “techie” Obama is and why he supposedly appeals to "young" people". He seems to so resent popular culture, especially video games, which are the fastest growing media industry. And because the Cult of Obama couldn't imagine disagreeing with him we have to hear a bunch of BS about how we can all agree that people should read more and play video games less.

Face it, Obama seems to really hate video games. While Bush seemed indifferent or aloof to the existence of video games, Obama sees it as a major, if not the most major as he mentions it so often, factor of obesity, parental neglect, and scholastic under-achievement. He seems to think video games are the “oils” of the lifestyle pyramid: something that you can have, but only on occasion and with small portions.

And finally, books are not inherently superior to video games, if ANYTHING they are inferior. A game can offer everything a book can plus interaction, which is, hands down, far more stimulating than just passively reading a book. That is to say, though, that I still read, but game far more often. The problem is that the writing for games is still really bad for the most part, with most of the best games having only adequate story lines, but is hopefully getting better.

Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

This is why I never understood why most gamers vote Democrat.  They don't see that Dems love to replace personal responsibility with a scapegoat, and the newest one is gaming.  Listen to Obama over the last few days.  According to him, gaming is the biggest reason we are fat, lazy and stupid.  I graduated high school with a 3.8 GPA and got a 97th Percentile on the ASVAB when I joined the Marine Corps.  I've been playing games for over 20 years.

I just wish he'd stay out of people's lives.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

You do realize the reapers are more and less inclined to help others right? Not saying the dims are any worse in the long run you just trade flaws and incompetents.

Hell IMO the reapers are so damn greedy they commit constant treason in the name of persoanly gain the only reason its over looked is becuse the other side is jsut a corrupt and worthless.


Also the reason why some people are for the Dims is social rights, the reapers want more social restrictions and less business/government restrictions, the dims have been lost since the collapse of the US manufacturing base(early/mid 90-s,reapers been lost sine mid to late 70's) and now they are so multi headed party of incompetence but tis either them or the dark lords who want inane moralism on the streetd but non behind the doors of the rich.

Its basically kind, dumb and selfish aristocrats vrs mean,old and greedy totalitarians, by the end of  day your stupid for picking one of them.
And yes stupid  voted for bama....I should have wrote in Ron Paul....uhg.....

 

 Its called pandering and sound bites, its liek words from a zombie that only other zombies can hear it has no meat or merit.


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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

I wrote in Ron Paul.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Well it came down to 4 more years of the reapers of let the dims rape the healed orifices....if mcsame/slutty banshee was not  more likely to win than RP...............

Don;t get me wrong Mcain is not so bad but the fact he allowed the reaper party to completely run him and his campaign into the ground...

 

Next time tho...I will start voteing for anything that is not part of the main 2 parties....


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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Why is Palin a slutty banshee?  I don't understand why people get on her.  She's a responsible parent, goes to her kid's activities and runs a pretty tight ship in her state.  Yeah, she made some kooky comments, but no kookier than Michelle Obama's "This is the first time I've been proud to be an American" speech, but everybody swoons over her.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

.... you gotta understand...... if she was a valid poli..er...wait thats an oxy moron.....er.... valid government official..er..... still an oxy moron.... er.... valid official that dose not suck the IQ out of room when she speaks then it would be different.  Unfortunately shes a party shill who's is tant amount to Pairs Hilton of fashion, while she might be worth while in some aspects of that niche(Palin=poltics) shes not there for her brains or style....the same can be said for Impalin only her fou red neck style is more appericated. Obama is a bit of of an empty suit tho hes much more intelligent than bush and Chaney combined but he's to busy politicing to give a damn about much ,the contuniation of the sataus quo marches on only different orfaces are raped in the process.

And frankly Boughthim(Bidean) is as bad as Cheany in some respects tho not as vicious  but as lack luster even  with that going for him hes a better choice than a witless governor...though...I would like to see Mcain as the VP for Obama.... but in the end politics(mass mind fcks) and the status quo(pillage/plundering of the populace) will remain until the system breaks.


....you just did not compare the kookiness levels of Sara Palin and Michelle Obama..... one sticks her foot in her mouth every other time she speaks the other gaffes now and then that don't even try and divide by zero on a grand scale...sorry...Palin is a shallow wittless celb governor even more so than the GOVENATOR.....
The whole "proud American" gaffe can be written off as a blond moment but half the things Impalin says or DOSE NOT SAY because she simply dose not know how government or law works is just to damn much to be taken seriously.

I'll give Mcsame some credit but S.Palin=P.Hilton shes just that lulzy. Tho I must say she has the charisma and drive of Bill Clinton, if she was a male/man izer(sp) she would be a dead ringer for him 70% of the time.....

 

 


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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

I'd respond, but I can't understand what you wrote.

Also, Michelle Obama is just as kooky as people claim Palin is.  You're just too in love with the Obama's to see it.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

apples and oranges... one's the first lady while the other could've been vice-president. only the VP has any official power

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

I wonder, how much text does the typical RPG have? Granted reading is being replaced with voice acting (though I still can't help but to read along with the VO though probably not as closely as I use to) over the years but there's still a lot of unspoken dialog.

Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Mr. Obama,

Instead of slamming and demonizing an industry and consumer base as well as a significant segement of the citizens of the US based on their personal choice leisure, education, and/or expression methods, perhaps you should be encouraging:

The spreading of knowledge regarding the significant existing resources for individuals and Parents to use to be fully informed regarding the products they choose to deem appropriate or not appropriate for themselves or their children.

The moderation of a variety of activities, from gaming, to religious exposure, to TV watching, to even expsure to the outside (from heat exhaustion to skin cancer from over exposure to the sun, etc), and other activities which have BOTH positive AND negative potentials.

The use of diversity in one's activities, in combination with moderation.  Encouraging enjoyment, education, and expression in a variety of ways to encourage the broading of the mind, body, and whatever equivilant of "the spirit" any particiular individual believes in.

Really, there are more intelligent ways to proceed than alienating a segment of society because of something you don't share in common with them.

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Slamming, Demonizing, Alienating. 3 Words you used in your "letter"

He wants dad's to help with homework. Wow, horrible guy this obama person is.

At no point has he ever said video games were bad, he just said there were better ways to spend your time.

Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Read his statement and all his prior statements.  I read them.  I don't need to interpret them.  His statements specifically state that people should choose OTHER, not in addition to, not moderate, not diversity, but choose OTHER forms of entertainment, education, and expression OTHER THAN video games.  Individuals and Parents should make their own decisions as to what is or is not appropriate for themselves or their own children without being ostracized for their choices which may be different than his or other people's choices. 

Trying to demonize one form of media with the implications that said media has ONLY negative results while ignoring the positives as well as ignoring the negatives of other forms of media IS demonizing that media. 

Are your eyes open only to what you WANT to hear or see from him and closed to the rest?  The alternative I offered didn't leave the impression that the media I was referring to had only positive or only negative impacts.  It's a far more intelligent approach than just choosing one view over another and alienating the segment of society that DOES like that form of media. 

I saw enough of that "I see what I want to see and nothing else" from that twit over at the Washington Times.  How about proving yourself better than that.

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

"Are your eyes open only to what you WANT to hear or see from him and closed to the rest?" 

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of massive irony flying over your head.

I hate Obama and he's terrible, by the way.

Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

What irony?  Proving FACTUAL EVIDENCE that he stated clearly that people could continue to do one thing while moderating and diversifying their activities as opposed to stopping entirely one activity, no longer doing it, and doing something else, something that HE approves of.

SeanB, and you in a previous response, have stated he did not encourage moderation.  That he, in fact, stated that people could participate in media such as video games, in moderation, and have a positive experience with that moderation. 

So, either provide the evidence of the claims you and SeanB made or admit you've lied and attempted to deceive others as to what was clearly stated by Mr. Obama.

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

 SeanB, and you in a previous response, have stated he did not encourage moderation. 

No clue why you're talking about someone else in a reply to me, but I certainly never said he doesn't encourage moderation, because my entire point is that's exactly what he's doing.


"So, either provide the evidence of the claims you and SeanB made or admit you've lied and attempted to deceive others as to what was clearly stated by Mr. Obama."

You're right, me and some guy I never heard of lied in an attempt to deceive you. It's all a massive conspiracy, and it would have worked too if it wasn't for you meddling paranoid internet users.

What are you, Jack Thompson?

Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

No, I said you and SeanB BOTH claim Mr. Obama IS making statements encouraging moderation and diversity.  He is not.  You have not proven he has.

From one of your own posts earlier:

"Obama isn't saying never play games. Here's merely saying that you should consider playing them less, and doing more productive things more."

That's not conpiracy theory about what you said.  That's FACT.  Prove your claim or admit you're a liar.  It's that simple.

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

He's been saying that games make people fat and dumb for a while now.  How about you pay attention.

I predict that he's going to attempt to make gaming a scapegoat to allow his health care plan and education reform forward.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

 "He's been saying that games make people fat and dumb for a while now."

Yeah, what lunacy, it's not like USA is facing an obesity epidemic or a rapidly widening gap in intelligence and education compared to other countries.

Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Well, we are facing that.  Maybe it could be fixed by CLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE'S OWN ACTIONS, instead of BLAMING whatever somebody wants to, just to make themselves feel better.  Democrats don't believe in people taking personal responsibility.  They just want to blame whatever they can.  Dr. Tiller killed by a psycho?  Bill O'Reilly's fault, because he called him a baby killer.  International terrorism?  President Bush's fault, even though terrorism existed long before he was born, much less President.  Americans are fat, lazy and stupid?  Gotta be video games, because if it weren't for games and games alone, everyone would get up at five o'clock every morning doing sprints and jumping jacks, always doing their homework on time.

Well, Dems, if you want to blame any particular thing, I say blame your theory that it's nobody's fault, you can always blame someone else.  This mode of thought allows people to believe that NOTHING is their fault (i.e. murder, rape, terrorism).  In short, I blame Democrats.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

"Maybe it could be fixed by CLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE'S OWN ACTIONS, instead of BLAMING whatever somebody wants to, just to make themselves feel better."

Um thats exactly what Mr Obama is doing.

Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

No, he's blamed President Bush for everything.  See my above post.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Funny, I kept hearing for eight years how 9/11 was entirely Clinton's fault. I also heard GWB was completely blameless for anything bad that happened during his two terms as president - it wasn't his fault torture was authorized, it wasn't his fault FEMA had a terrible person in charge of it during Katrina, it wasn't his fault the bailouts began on his watch, it wasn't his fault so much money has been wasted in Iraq...nothing was ever his fault, and if you ever thought he made a bad move, well you were just labled a terrorist sympathizer and America-hater.

 

In short, practice what you preach, or STFU.

Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Okay, if anyone is going to blame an American President for some stupid Muslim getting people to fly planes into buildings, it would be Clinton.  I personally blame bin Laden, because he's the guy who set it up and finance it, but some people think that every world issue is somehow America's fault, so let's look at why Clinton could (not necessarilly should) be blamed.  Before 9/11, Bush was President for about seven months.  This is not enough time to plan a defense of this type that would minimize national fear and the killing of civilians.  The CIA said they had recieved intelligence suggesting 9/11 two years previous, under the Clinton administration; he did not believe it to be a credible threat, so no plan was put into place.  This is why some idiots put the blame on Clinton.

Torture was not authorized under his presidency.  Before Gitmo openned, the Abu Ghirab scandal was not authorized by anyone.  What happened at Gitmo was authorized by Congress and the U.S. Justice Department.  All of the people (aside from Obama, who wasn't even a U.S. Senator yet) crying out against Gitmo first asked if what they were doing was going far enough.  If you're going to blame Bush, you're also going to have to blame every one of our elected officials, conservative and liberal.

FEMA was run by an idiot.  If that was a Bush appointee, then it's his fault.  If it wasn't, it's not.  I don't know who appointed this person, but that's the way it is.  Also, if you want to blame someone for Katrina, blame the people of New Orleans, because they were told for years by the Army Corps of Engineers that work needs to be done on the dykes, and the people didn't want to spend the money.  However, instead of claiming any amount of personal responsibility, they claim Bush doesn't like black people.

The bailouts did begin on his watch, but the idea he proposed called for a lot less money, and called for CEO's of companies that took the bailout money to have caps on their salaries, and that no company could use the funds for lobbying for more money.  These two caveats were taken out by Barrack Obama, so that he could blame Bush when he became President when the companies did what they did.  Funny, that's exactly what he did.

What money was wasted in Iraq?  If you're talking about the war in and of itself, it was a war based on bad intelligence.  The CIA, Congress and the White House all believed that Hussien had WMD's and was going to use them.  They also believed that he supported Al Queda.  Again, if you're going to blame one, you have to blame them all.  That's the whole point of checks and balances.  It makes it so one branch of the government has no more power than the other.

Two more things:

I have never heard President Bush blame President Clinton for anything other than the sliding economy when he took office.  He stopped doing that pretty quickly, too, as I recall.

Barrack Obama, on the other hand, is blaming Bush for everything.  He's blaming America for everything.  Eventually, all of these problems are going to be his, and he's going to have to stop it.  The Iran and North Korea issue already are, because of his lack of words, much less action.  Afghanistan is already his, because of his troop surge there.  Gitmo is quickly becoming his, due to his actionless rhetoric involving it.  The economy is almost his, too, because of the failure of his first stimulus plan, and calls for another.  When his health care fails (one trillion dollars over ten years.  yeah, we can afford that), how will he blame Bush for that one?  Oh, I'm sure you'd find a way.

 

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Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

Ok, so by your logic, something bad happens under Bush's watch in his first 7-9 months and he gets a free pass; something bad happens under Obama's first 6 months, he's totally responsible. Yeah, thats sound right there...I'm sure you think memos stating BIn Laden determined to attack were insignificant too.

 

Yes, torture was given the green light under his and Cheney's watch. Waterboarding is a form of torture whether you like to admit to it or not - people here and overseas have been tried and convicted for using it. It is inhumane, and I already can bet that you won't even consider believing that unless you go through it yourself or ever some close to drowning in your life. But again, you give him a free pass for it happening.

 

Brown was in fact a Bush appointee. They were good friends prior to his presidency and he was a donor to his campaign. Nice of you to blame the people for a hurricane hitting too btw.

 

Your next paragraph can basically be summed up as follows:

Bush starts bailouts: oh thats ok, he's doing the right thing.

Obama continues them: EVIL SOCIALIST!

You seem to forget that a large portion of the bad intel used was cherry-picked by the White House and then passed over to congress, but clearly that's congress's fault it was cherry-picked to begin with. As for the money wasted in Iraq, I count every cent there as a waste, and if you think supposed ties to Al Quaeda and claims that he's going to use WMDs were the only reason we're even there, you haven't been paying attention, as your former Glorious Leader has changed his reasons about 6 times.

And now you're blaming the Iran Revolution on Obama, par for the course I suppose for you given your outright hatred of him. I'm sure you'd love to shove American ideals down Iran's throat, but grandstanding and taking sides isn't going to do jack shit worth of help for the Iranian people. Staying out of it is the best thing he can do right now; its the people's battle, they need to do this themselves if its going to gain any legit ground. As for the rest of the crap you're spewing, I tend to think giving him enough time to work is the way to approach him right now. I gave your Glorious Leader more than ample time to prove himself, and I intend to do the same with this guy. Nice projection btw where you think Obama blames America for everything.

Re: On Father's Day, Obama Urges Dads To Swap Video Games ...

I've been waterboarded.  I went through much worse than waterboarding on my way to becoming a Marine.  So by your logic, we shouldn't have a military because it's worse than waterboarding.  You are incorrect about the intelligence starting the Iraq war, because the CIA answers to the Senate Intelligence Commitee, not the President.  The Senate had access to better intel than the White House, and the funny thing is they are the ones saying they were lied to by President Bush.

I'm not blaming Obama for what happened before he became President.  I'm blaming him for what he's done since he became President.  The first stimulus package put this country on the verge of bankruptcy, and didn't work.  Nothing that was promised came of it, and nobody can even say where the money went.  The solution?  Another stimulus package.  Our President has that kind of logic and you expect me to believe in him?

As far as the Iran Revolution is concerned, I don't blame Obama for it, but he needs to come out on one side or another.  Either he believes the results were tainted and calls for an investigation, or he doesn't.  None of this wishy-washy, I think something was wrong, but we don't want to seem like we're meddling crap.

Obama does blame America for everything.  He blamed America for slavery, even though it existed for thousands of years.  He blames America for terrorism.  He blames America for North Korea going crazy, and now he blames video games for people being fat.  People being fat has only one cause:  People eating more food than they exercise to get rid of.

 

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Bullshit you've been waterboarded, or are even a Marine - Marines aren't as bitter or hateful as you are, they don't project their opinions as gospel truth like you do, and they damn sure don't have persecution complexes like you do. They have a lot more class than anything you've shown here, and your claim to be one of them is an insult to all Marines everywhere.

 

Way to contradict yourself too btw, first stating the Iraq War was a war of bad intel, then going on to say bad intel didn't have a part in starting it. You're just trying to find anything you can to give conservatives a free pass.

 

You've also confirmed my position you have on double standards. You already gave your Glorious Leader a free pass on the biggest terrorist attack to hit our country when he was nine months in, but you blame Obama for anything and everything you can when its barely been six.

 

If you really think Obama hasn't formed his own opinion on Iran, you really are a partisan hack. If he openly states an opinion for one side, regardless of which one he blieves in it will end terribly. its lose-lose and you know it, you just want something else to attack him for.

 

That last volume speaks volumes in and of itself about you too - either you need a serious lesson on context, or you're going to be one of the next conservatives to snap and go on a shooting spree out of a hatred of all that you deem "liberals". My hope is that its just the former and not the latter.

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You're luck this is the internet because I'd kick your ass for the first line.  As for everything else, I don't care because I stopped reading.

You wouldn't have the balls to say any of this to my face.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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And now you've not only gone full-retard, but you've gone into internet tough-guy neighborhood. You have fun thinking you're a badass, and I'll just continue to do what your little freedom of speech quip says. Apparantly the truth hurts your little feelings.

Nice cop-out to avoid all the other points btw.

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I said so long as it's the truth.  Just because you don't want to believe that Marines are capable of making their own decisions and saying them doesn't mean I'm not one.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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Oh the reason I know youy're not a Marine isn't because you make your own desicions, far from it. I think he fact that you're an internet tough-guy, you threaten people, regardless of how empty and pathetic it sounded, you refuse to back up your claims, and you continuiously engage in actions and behavior not befitting a Marine does more than enough to discredit that little lie of yours.

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I've fought in Iraq and Afghanistan enough to validate anything I've said about my physical abilities.  If you want to question that, I openly invite you to join a branch of the military.  It might do you some good.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Sure you did Mr. Internet Tough-Guy, sure you did. You keep up that superiority/persecution complex up, it fits you like a glove.

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"Well, we are facing that.  Maybe it could be fixed by CLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE'S OWN ACTIONS, instead of BLAMING whatever somebody wants to" 

Didn't read anything more than this, because I can already tell you're a tard.

Obama is suggesting something (quite simple), so they can you know, claim responsibility for their own actions and apply that to make a change.

You're in denial if you don't think many people need to make that change, by the way.

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You don't know anything about American politics, do you?  Democrats in this country NEVER ask people to take responsibility for themselves.  They always find something else to blame.  If you would have actually read my post, instead of assuming some holier-than-thou attitude, you might have understood where I was coming from.

 

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So much irony in such a small post...

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Point it out.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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Lets see, just off the top of my head, you calim only democrats don't believe in moderation, while you give a free pass to the repupblicans and the conservtives who had control for the last eight years when they took responsibility for absolutely nothing bad that happened under their own watch. Your accusing someone else of having a holier-than-thou attitude fits the bill quite perectly too. 

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I never gave anyone a free pass.  You assume that because I dislike the current President, that I had to absolutely love the last.  That's where you are wrong, and where you're political leanings come out.  A lot of bad things happened under Bush's watch, and with him as President, he is ultimately responsible, along side all of Congress and the Senate.  Read my posts and you'd find that I've been very consistent on this point.  However, that doesn't change the fact that Dems don't believe in moderation.  Look at their track record.  They believe that private schools should be shut down.  They believe that unborn children deserve absolutely no protection whatsoever.  They believe that white men are the only people at fault for any problem that presents itself (wars, economy, AIDS).  Where in any of this is moderaton?

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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The implication that any one thing is solely bad for you so you must give it up entirely is the biggest problem we face.  Fearmongering is far more unintelligent than the products we are exposed to.

Too much of any one thing can be bad for any number of individuals.

But moderation and diversity, along with a heavy dose of intelligent research can allow any individual to have positive results without going "cold turkey" on anything.

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Uh huh, another problem is people who take everything like fear mongering and an assault on the things they like.

Obama isn't saying never play games. Here's merely saying that you should consider playing them less, and doing more productive things more.

And considering America's current obesity crisis and nothing-short-of-pathetic student results, he's not fearmongering enough, because right now fear isn't an issue, the time for worry and fear is passed, you ARE IN a crisis. 

 
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