British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play GTA

June 29, 2009 -

The Member of Paliament who chairs a bipartisan working on the British video game business told Edge Online that most of his colleagues are more conversant with other forms of media.

In his chat with EO MP John Whittingdale dished on a variety of game-related topics from the recent Digital Britain report to broadband speeds to a new requirement that games be culturally British in order to qualify for tax breaks. The thoughtful comments offered by the Conservative MP indicate that he has devoted some time to researching the role of games in British society. Among his remarks:

The case for some kind of incentive to make sure that the UK remains one of the major locations for games development [is] something that needs to be pressed quickly, because the longer we leave it, the greater risk there will be a steady loss of jobs to places like Canada...

 

There’s definitely an educational component. I think it does no harm for policy makers who are going to be debating issues affecting the games industry to have some experience of videogames. If that means developers and publishers coming into the House of Commons, demonstrating them, and giving MPs a sense of what the game involves, that has to be a good thing.

 

My guess would be that very few ministers in the government spend a great deal of time playing computer games, whereas they do go to the cinema, they do watch television, and they do listen to the radio... there may be ministers who rush home to play GTA all night, but it’s unlikely...

Given the age of most MPs, they’re probably thinking back to Space Invaders and Atari consoles. The other thing is that there’s a lot of negativity around, a lot of concern that young people who spend their hours gaming are missing out on educational activities. The case that gaming can bring benefits is something we need to promote, and then there’s always been the fear that somehow certain games may be damaging because of the violent content, and there’s a lot of mythology around that...

 

A game like Manhunt 2... we need to impose controls to ensure that children cannot purchase them. But then there’s the hysteria over something like the suicide bomber web game Kaboom, which everyone got very worked up about. When I went online and tried it out, the idea that this was going to turn the nation into suicide bombers was clearly absurd...

 


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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

A politician actually doing RESEARCH? I must be dreaming.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Woah, he actually tried the controversial game out himself instead of hopping blindly on the bandwagon of hate?  Are we sure this guy is a politician? ;)

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This guy is a genius. I mean really, this is all you have to do get our support politicians. Make some sense, don't go fearmongering all over the place, and try to understand the issues at hand.

This guy has done all of those, and I applaud him.

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

So how long before some newspaper or pressure group pipes up and accuses him of being in the industry's pocket?

/b

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

This guy clearly understands us gamers.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

And here I was thinking they didn't want to play a game where you stole money/cars/etc because they're already stealing millions (collectively) from the taxpayers. Why play a game when you can defraud people IRL? 

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Oh, please please do. I want to see an entire house of stuffy upper-middle-class lawyers, businessmen and bankers looking baffled in front of a demonstration of Grand Theft Auto. For once BBC Parliament might have something interesting!

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

What the fuck are you babbling about? WEspecially this bit:

"...and the refusal of the majority of the media to cover the events in the country except one station."

If you're referring to the public expenses scandal, there was wall-to wall coverage from every British media outlet (to the exclusion of pretty much all other news) for about three weeks!

"Not to mention it was the Labor Party’s worst defeat since World War II when Neval Chamberlain’s party was defeated and yet Gordon Brown is still in office like Chamberlain and it might take one more election to get him out"

Once again, what the fuck are babbling about? What/whose defeat? How on earth is GB comparable to Neville Chamberlain, especially when they're from different political parties? Make some sense, man!

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

I think he is referring to the fact that, in general, almost all mainstream media coverage in this country, with the exception of Fox News, has been extremely pro-Obama, to the point that some news organzations, like the New York Times, will bury or even kill stories that might make him look bad.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Oh, I thought he was refrring to Britain - how foolish of me...


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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

It would have made sense if he would have, seeing as how this is a story about Britain.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

But that would first require he make sense.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

 

Most of the United Kingdoms Liberals who have been going after video games intensely these past couple of years are now getting unelected. The party that was fairest to the left controlled the Government but they just had a massive lose because of the spending and scandals and the refusal of the majority of the media to cover the events in the country except one station.

Kind of like what we have going on here in the state. The next election should change the British Government quite a bit and remove Gordon Browns control on the Government. Which his party is like the British version of the U.S Democratic Party.

Not to mention it was the Labor Party’s worst defeat since World War II when Neval Chamberlain’s party was defeated and yet Gordon Brown is still in office like Chamberlain and it might take one more election to get him out

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

> Most of the United Kingdoms Liberals

In the UK Liberals would likely be Lim Dems not Labour.

> who have been going after video games

Unless I have missed something only really Vaz has been "after" video games.

> now getting unelected

They suffered a defeat in the euro polls, so "they" (Vaz) has not been unelected. But all sides suffered a defeat in the Euro polls. Even the "winners" (BNP)  actual got less votes than last time round. By the time the next election comes round I'm fairly sure most people will have forgotten all about the expenses row.

> The next election should change the British Government

Labour or Tory will win. Both are centrist with very little difference between them. I think Vaz is an MP in a Labour heartland. I don't think he will be gone.

> Labor Party’s worst defeat ... yet Gordon Brown is still in office

Euro polls not general elections.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

>I think Vaz is an MP in a Labour heartland.

Also the only ethnic candidate in the first constituency in the UK where White British was not the majority.

/b

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Not one more my good doctor. Just one. NOBODY voted for Gordon Brown. But you've never shown any knowledge of reality so far, so I wouldn't expect you to start now.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Nobody voted specifically for Gordon Brown, no, but the majority did vote for Labour.

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

"but the majority did vote for Labour."

Actually they didn't, they won with fewer votes than the opposition due to the redicuously broken voting system we have.

"The Electoral Reform Society has produced a damning analysis of the anti-democratic nature of the 2005 general election. It shows that Labour won 35% of the vote but secured 55% of the seats."
"The Tories polled more votes than Labour in England but won 92 fewer seats."

(from http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/28/political-reform )

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

They voted Labour when Tony Blair was in charge. We had no choice over Gordon Brown, and it is plainly obvious nobody (hyperbole alert!) would have voted for him had he been in charge at the time.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Well, tough, that's how the system is set up. Blair wanted to resign as Prime Minister, ergo he set Gordon to be in charge if I recall correctly.

I'm sure it can be interpreted as 'bait and switch' tactics though... ;)

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Yeah, essentially Blair set Brown up to take the fall just as all the pigeons were coming home to roost from Blairs leadership, and Browns complete mishandling of that, and more recent things like the expense scandal has pretty much gifted the Tories the next general election.

Incidently "that's how the system is set up" is the same excuse MPs are giving to justify their abuse of expense accounts, and it holds about as much water in this case as it does in that case. They MADE the system that way, not us.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

So because they are anti-games they're not getting elected? The general public couldn't give a monkeys over computer games and are oddly enough interested in more important issues like the economy, jobs, immigration and public services (and because of the interest in those issues Labour are losing votes fast).

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Who made any mention of anti-games? We were discussing Gordon Brown, how he came to be in charge and why he won't be after the next time WE (as in voters, not gamers) actually get a chance to say (funnily enough, we even linked it to what you said we SHOULD have said). Read before you sound off.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

I'm gob-smacked at the level-headedness of this man. He's done research, called the Manhunt 2 mess for what it was, hysteria, and acknowledges that there is a bit of a generation gap between people trying to pass laws etc about games and the people who actually play them!

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Agreed. After repeated doses of the "Games must be banned/censored to our vision of morality" BS recently, Its refreshing to see a someone in politics say "I admit we don't know as much as we should about this and I'm open to ways of adressing this."

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"I'm open to ways of adressing this"

This is the single line which troubles me more than anything.

Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Hmmm perhaps I should've said "And I'm open to new ways to address our lack of knowledge on this subject."

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Re: British MP: Not Many Govt. Ministers Rush Home to Play ...

Oh, because heaven forbid somebody in Parliament should actually try and engage with the issue. Your cynical pessimism seems entirely misplaced, given the rest of the article - or did you just read that one sentence out of context?


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