Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

July 6, 2009 -

By all accounts, the Independence Day debate between Jack Thompson and gamer/lawyer Mark Methenitis was a froth-free success. Thompson, who can be a charmer when he cares to, appears to have impressed the SGC09 audience with a respectful demeanor and self-effacing humor.

Of course, expo attendees sampled but a small slice of the disbarred attorney's act. Naturally, he didn't compare any of them to Saddam Hussein and didn't report them to various law enforcement agencies. Tactfully, Thompson also avoided dredging up any of the various negative generalizations he has made about gamers over the years, such as our personal favorite, "Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hit man or a video gamer."

We are still hoping to see full-length video of the debate and a subsequent Q&A session, but have been tracking some of the early reactions by attendees. Destructoid's Jim Sterling live-blogged the debate:

After seeing JT's unvetted Q&A earlier, I don't think this'll be the trainwreck people are expecting. Thompson was level-headed and well-behaved earlier...

JT... calls GamePolitics his favorite videogame site. [GP: LOL]

"We are getting to the point where we will understand that adult-rated games are just as harmful as seeing two naked people have intercourse"... "I'm the pro liberty, pro personal choice guy here..."

[JT said] that he got disbarred because he went on 60 Minutes but he'd do it all again.

The normally cynical Sterling, who appears to have sipped liberally from Thompson's Kool Aid, was even more complimentary toward the disbarred attorney in his coverage of the SGC09 Q&A session:

I think Jack Thompson did an amazing job yesterday. I don't agree with all his views, and I certainly disagree with the way he's put them across over the years. I think everyone who watched him yesterday will agree, however, that if he continues the rest of his crusade in the polite and intelligent manner with which he carried himself at SGC, he really wouldn't be such a bad guy to have around.

Overly Positive offers its impressions of the debate:

It seems the audience left the presentation and Q&A with at least a small amount of respect for Jack Thompson, not just for making his points in a rational manner, but for showing up at all. It seems that even if this is to some cynics a desperate grab for relevance, that Thompson honestly believes that presenting his side of the video games violence debate is worthwhile.

SCG09 attendee Sean Hinz also live-blogged the debate.

GP: I caught Thompson's debate performance at VGXPO 07. He is, as described by various SGC09 attendees, an engaging speaker. If he behaved that way all of the time he would almost certainly still have his law license and might still be an effective advocate for his cause.

UPDATE: More in the vein of the Miami Jack we remember here at GP, Thompson e-mailed his reaction to our coverage:

Dennis, pay attention, you might learn something:
 
1.  The comment about GP being my favorite game site was a joke, and everyone knew it.  That's why the laughter.  Not a lot of folks there care for you or GP.  
 
2.  I got about a 60-second standing ovation after the Q & A.  Did you talk to Craig, who is the head of ScrewAttack, about his impression of me? [GP: we did send Craig an e-mail inquiry this morning; no response so far]
 
3.  I don't need advice from you about how to be effective. I'm the guy making a difference not you, and it bugs the Hell out of you.


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Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Unfortunately for Jack, this does absolutely nothing to earn him any real credibility. Why? Because 1) He can't maintain civility for long, 2) he's never getting his license back, and, most importantly, 3) people like me will always be working hard to shine a brightlight on the real John Bruce Thompson, the man who lies, spins, and hates everyone who doesn't do exactly what he says.

By the way (and I fully expect to see the name Godwin pop up, and I really don't care), you know who else got applauded quite a bit? Hitler.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

"The comment about GP being my favorite game site was a joke, and everyone knew it.  That's why the laughter.  Not a lot of folks there care for you or GP.  "
 

Um.. if they dont care for GP, then how would they know how much you hate this site and hence 'get' the joke?

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Did Jack liked to climb over the Hill of Shame and stand proud for a moment before stumbling down retardedly Jackass-style like the angry uninformed moron he is?

 

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

I'm not sure which is more stunning, that he can act like a civil grown up or how quickly he stuck his head back up his ass.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

As I read the article, I thought "Hmmm... maybe Jack took his head out of his ass."  Then I read Jacks email to GP and said "Nope".  

 

We are all going to die someday. The trick is not to rush it.

We are all going to die someday. The trick is not to rush it.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

"I'm the guy making a difference not you, and it bugs the Hell out of you."

Looking back at your track record I'd have to disagree. All you've managed to accomplish is having a lot of time/money wasted and getting yourself disbarred for life (ok so that's one good thing ^_^)

And what bugs me is people demonizing me and my hobby because of thier ignorance and prejudice.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Come on now, don't be ridiculous - JT is clearly making a difference, without him there would be NOWHERE near as much hypocrisy and two-faced lying in the world!

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Sadly no, he's just one of countless idiots. Jack can't even come close to out doing our own government in the hypocrisy, two-faced lying, and bull**** department.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Maybe if he wasn't a douchebag the other 99% of the time...

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Theres no doubt that when he wants to, jack can act like a civil human being.

But acting like that for one day does not make up for acting like a subhuman piece of trash for years. Im not that easily impressed. If jack wants to start getting some of his lost credibility and respect back, he better keep it up for a while.

Given what he wrote to dennis, looks like that aint gonna happen.

 

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Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

"We are getting to the point where we will understand that adult-rated games are just as harmful as seeing two naked people have intercourse"

I guess I technically agree with that, though probably not in the way JT means...  ;)

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

All I can think is that at the end of the debate Jack ended with an ulcera on his stomach for not being able to be a douche freely, just like that episode on Malcom.

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Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

This guy hasn't offed himself yet?

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

I fell it necessary to reinterate:

You are a LIAR John Bruce Thompson.  There is NO law preventing a movie theater from selling an R rated ticket to a minor.  The MPAA is not a government agency.  Due to relying on falsehoods such as this will ensure that you will be the loser of any debate that you enter.

Now do please get back to entertaining us monkey.  We do so love how much of a "difference" you are making.  You once were a lawyer, now there is a difference!  Then there were the laws you penned.  They weren't in the garbage cans, and now they are.  Yet again something different!

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Love that he capitalized Hell.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

it's even funnier considering that many versions of the bible don't capitalize it

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

in responce to Thompson's "The comment about GP being my favorite game site was a joke, and everyone knew it.  That's why the laughter."

they were laughing at you for dishing out a joke while a few days ago you yourself couldn't take one.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Thompson has made what difference, exactly?

If getting your license to practice law revoked for lying and harrassment, making an ass out of yourself by e-mail to elected officials in two separate states(Utah and Louisiana), and making your crusade into a total joke is making a difference........well, it is, though it's in the opposite direction.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

He has made a difference. He's made the people who act like him and who scream about videogames being the cause of all societies ills look like a bunch of raving lunatics when it comes to videogames even when they can be completely normal in other instances.

Jack Thompson has single handedly disarmed the videogames = violence arguement. We should all thank him.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

 "I got about a 60-second standing ovation after the Q & A."

*stands up and cheers* 

"YAY! Thank you Jack! We love you! You're making such a diffrence in our lives!"

*vomits*

Now that's over, I hardly anyone would seriously give him a standing ovation, let alone one that lasts a whole minute. And what diffrences has he made exactly?

 - Warren 

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

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AE: Sorry, wishing for someone's death doesn't fly here either.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

You gotta learn how to use the all-important "figuratively speaking, of course." For example: "I wish AE's blue-ink pen would leak all over the pocket of his shirt - figuratively speaking, of course."  

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Re: His response to Dennis.

"1.  The comment about GP being my favorite game site was a joke, and everyone knew it.  That's why the laughter.  Not a lot of folks there care for you or GP."

I think in all my years of following gaming blogs/sites/etc., I think i have encountered one article critical of GP. I think it may have been a Destructoid article where the writer had a difference of opinion with Dennis. That's all. No hatred, no JT style vitriol or insults, just "He said X, but in my opinion Y".
 
"2.  I got about a 60-second standing ovation after the Q & A.  Did you talk to Craig, who is the head of ScrewAttack, about his impression of me? [GP: we did send Craig an e-mail inquiry this morning; no response so far]"

This seems quite indicative of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It's like he's saying "Did you hear about the clap I got? Look it up! Find out about it ! VALIDATE ME!!!!! *sob*"
 
"3.  I don't need advice from you about how to be effective. I'm the guy making a difference not you, and it bugs the Hell out of you."

The only differences this guy has made are going from having a licence to practice law to NOT having one, and the 40k difference in bank balance having paid his fines. I think he may also have made some differences in that many organisations or groups will be vetting people they ask for advice much more closely (Eagle Forum, Louisiana and Utah legislatures, etc.)

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Plus, you know, the difference in his bank balance after all those trips to Utah.  Great place to go hunting or shooting, even skiing.  Not a great place to visit and help right laws.  Ain't that right Jack?

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

I might actually regret saying this, but good for him. If he could learn to be civil more often he might actually start making some headway towards his goals.

"Even if it was online gaming that somehow inspired him to kill his parents, he must have realised at some point that they wouldn't drop any good loot." - GP member, Doomsong

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

He evidently fancies himself a psychic too, since he could somehow surmise that a couple seconds of laughter meant everyone agreed with him. Then again to him not saying you're against him means you agree with him.

And how could any of us knew he got a standing ovation? None of use were there, and that part wasn't recorded in the transcrupts we've seen.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

"I'm the guy making a difference"

You are?
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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.


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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

"Making a difference" to Jack is interesting, seeing that all he has done is:

- Make empty legal threats to gamers, companies, strangers, and politicians.  The ESA is still waiting for their RICO suit.  The AG and legislature of Utah is still waiting to be removed from office.  Strauss Zelenick is still waiting to be arrested by the FBI.  The shareholder revolt against Take Two still hasn't begun.

- Get anti-speech laws passed in a myriad of states.  In fact, this religious extremist has done more to prevent these laws from being passed.  See what happened in Utah and Louisianna (the first go-around) for proof.

- Behave in such an ammoral and unethical manner that he was dubbed to be too sleazy to even be a lawyer.  He pretends his 60 minutes appearance had something to do with it- funny since it turned out that he was lying about what he said on the air. 

- Do more to push younger gamers away from religion than many other individuals they may come across.  I bet many of these kids' first exposure to the evils of American Christianity came from reading all about the antics of Jack Thompson.

 

In fact, all Jack has left is doing appearances at a videogame fan convention for a paltry $2000.  That's really making a difference.  I guess the next step in his quest to impose Christian Law on the nation is to host a panel at a Star Trek convention...

 

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

I wonder what ever became of his gig with Human Events. It's been so long since he's written anything for them, I have to assume he no longer has that gig. Which is a shame. The $75 he used to get from them for an article would have nicely supplemented the $2000-a-pop appearance fee. 

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Speaking of that 2 grand, the Florida Bar had better watch out now.  Jack is on to Phase 97 of his Super Wicked Awesome Secret Comeback Plan That Gamers Are Too Stupid To Understand.

 

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Further proving my point that the acts of Jack Thompson that gave him the bad reputation is all for Fox News. Really, Even time he is not in Fox News, or on a court case, he seems like a decent man. You could see this on the radio programs he goes on.

If you ask many game journalists that personally meet Jack Thompson, they all say he is a very nice and level-headed man. A couple of them he invites over to his house for a nice dinner.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Explain the behavoir documented in his disbarrment proceedings.  Explain his letter to the friends & family of that MGS player who killed himself.  Explain his letter to Zelenick's mother.  Explain his harrassment of people who didin't agree with him.  Explain the letters, faxes, emails, posts, court filings chock full of threats, insults and abuse.

In fact, go and read the entire report from Judge Tunis, and explain that.

 

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Exactly.  How can any of that behavior be placed at the feet of anyone other than Jack Thompson?

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Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

It's the fault of Fox News that JT says gamers are brainless retards hellbent on killing anything in their path?  You better explain that one.

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Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

the proverbial wolf has emerged from the sheep's clothing

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Dennis, pay attention, you might learn something:
 
1.  The comment about GP being my favorite game site was a joke, and everyone knew it.  That's why the laughter.  Not a lot of folks there care for you or GP.  
 
2.  I got about a 60-second standing ovation after the Q & A.  Did you talk to Craig, who is the head of ScrewAttack, about his impression of me? [GP: we did send him an e-mail inquiry this morning; no response so far]
 
3.  I don't need advice from you about how to be effective. I'm the guy making a difference not you, and it bugs the Hell out of you.

Good ole John Bruce. Always good for a laugh.

1. I am sure Dennis knew it was a joke. Hence the [GP: LOL]

2. Perhaps they were applauding you because you finally shut your trap. Or it could be that Dennis wasn't there and was not aware of your standing ovation.

3. You sure are making a difference. You have done more to kill legislation that would regulate video games than the ESA, IGDA, ECA and EMA combined.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

2.  I think the applause was for catching everyone off guard and acting like a decent human being.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

I would certainly give hima  standing ovation for that. Especially after the email exchanges and phone conversation I have had with him.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

"I would certainly give hima  standing ovation for that. Especially after the email exchanges and phone conversation I have had with him."

I wouldn't. It's like giving a medal to a murderer for not killing anybody on a particular day.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

It's called positive reinforcement. You know the old saying, "You attract more flies with honey."

John Bruce loves attention. It doesn't matter what the attention is for he loves it. He is like a toddler in that way.

So in the end, you can give him attention for acting like a childish prick, or you can give him attention for acting like a civilised adult. What ever you give him attention for while ignoring him for other behavior, he will act in a fashion that will net him the most attention.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Hey, baby steps...

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Did Jack really get a standing ovation? If so, it tells me there are still too many people who care more about debate for the sake of debate ("all opinions are equally valid") than they do about... you know... facts ("some opinions are more valid than others, and some not at all").

Also... why does Jack Thompson get credit for not being an asshole for a day, as if it were somehow a virtue?

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

I think the standing ovation was more along the lines of, "Hooray!  He's FINALLY done mouth-flapping!"

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

LOL @ the update.

Jack still fails at psychological warfare ;)

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

It's the ole' story of Two-Faced Thompson.  I swear that he goes on those rants when he forgets to take his meds.  ;)


Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

I say the rants are caused by his meds.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

The problem is that Jacko is a liar. Plain and simple when he is at these events he lies.  He always does the old "all i want to do is keep little kids from playing GTA" when that is patently false.  He has shown time and time again that he wants these games to be banned. 

When the shootings at Northern Illinois happened Jacko was all over it blaming Counter-Strike even though the killer was over the age of 18 when the first Counter-Strike beta was released. He is all over the German shootings and he lies and says they have had several even though they have only had 2 and they were both by people over 18 and Germany already has the laws that Jacko claims he wants.  He still claims the Virginia Tech shooter was a CS player based on a posting on a newspaper blog that was subsequently taken down. 

I'm surprised he didn't trot out his favorite line of Harvard and IU studies that he knows don't show what he claims that they show. He knows because I've told him and he stopped mentioning them for a couple months and then he started up again.

When the opposing debater doesn't use Jacko's own words to convict him these events are counter-productive because people go to them and see Jacko lying and on his best behavior and don't know any different. They see the "good" Jacko and think, "Wow, he's not that bad. I guess all those things I read about him online were wrong" when nothing could be farther from the truth.

 

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Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Another problem is how ScrewAttack neutered the entire debate parameters so that Jack's lies couldn't be taken head-on.  This was nothing more than a stunt to sell tickets, and everyone who bought tix to this event are guilty of keeping this subhuman piece of trash in any kind of limelite.  Pathetic.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Problem is, it's a facade, a mask he puts on for meetings where he knows he will be held accountable.

It'd be nice to think that Jack Thompson is actually capable of acting like a respectable human being, but then I keep thinking back to his reaction to the death of Steven Chaykin, and how he claimed it proved that God 'agreed with him'. It's kind of hard to think that the well-spoken, well-mannered man talking at SGC was the same foaming-at-the mouth, hate filled monster that wrote those words, but it does still need to be remembered.

Re: Jack Thompson Puts Best Foot Forward at SGC09 Debate

Thompson is the embodiment of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

As said, he will only act civil when he can see the reaction of who he's making it at. If he can see someone, thus making them appear human, he'll be civil, but if he can de-humanize them enough, he'll show his true colors.

 
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