Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

July 10, 2009 -

Over at Law of the Game, gamer/attorney Mark Methenitis writes about his recent debate with Jack Thompson at SGC09.

Mark also notes that video of the debate will be available at the ScrewAttack site next week. Along that line, ScrewAttack Program Director Craig Skistimas told GamePolitics earlier this week that video of Thompson's open forum Q&A session will be available as well. Here's what Mark had to say about the debate:

For those who didn't make it out to SGC, the event was outstanding, and the entire ScrewAttack crew deserves any and all praises you may have seen on their forums about the event. I also really appreciate Jack for making the trip out to the convention and participating in the debate.

In the meantime, Mark points to a clip of the debate's final seven minutes as well as some on-camera, post-debate comments he made to Late Night JengaJam.


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Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

If JT was going to do his usual Jelkyl/Hyde attitude, I hope Mark actually gets to see what JT really is...Cause im think after the interviews.

JT was probably mocking MM behind his back.

Magic Taco

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

I know he did that to Lorne Lanning after the debate he had with im at the '07 VGXpo.  He was cordial and respectful to him in person, but months later in antoehr interview he referred to him and other video game developers as "creeps".  Here's what he said about him the an interview the Spawnkill wesbite did with him.

"I’m called a “massacre chaser” by Lorne Lanning and other creepy ghouls-simply because I am trying to stop these massacres. The game industry is littered with massacre pimps, which is exactly what Lanning and others are."

Wow, Jack.  Just wow.  I'm sure Lorne would love to hear about this especially since he thought you were so polite at the debate.  Just so you know, Lorne's got more personal integrity in his little finger than you've got in your whole goddamned body!

Here's the link to the whole interview.  Thompson damns himself with his own words yet again.  Scream and threaten me all you want, Jack.  You said these things, not me.  It's not slander or libel if it's true.

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Interesting to note that, in that interview, he is 'predicting' that the President will issue a total ban on games, when, in the letter to Obama I posted earlier, he was requesting exactly that...

There's a name for people who try to create a dilemma in order to offer themselves up as the saviour to it.

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

quit with the crap....

just come out and say he's legally insane

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Problem is, if I thought that Thompson, for one minute, was actually going to act that civilised for the entirety of the issue, then he'd be a lot more accepted and probably still have his law license and be an effective lawyer.

True, because of his position, he will never be accepted as some kind of 'buddy' of Video Gamers, but the problem is, I just know that, give it a few days or a few weeks,and we will see a re-emergence of the violent, hate-spewing vindictiveness that is Thompson's usual M.O.

One minute the children are 'poor helpless victims', but when he's actually talking to these 'helpless victims', they are 'drug addled, brain-fried murderous psychopaths who deserve the death sentence'

So props to Mark, and to Jack, for holding a civilised debate, but the last 5 years have proved that Jack Thompson being civilised to an opponent is very very much the exception rather than the rule.

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Sorry for the double post, but I wanted to say that I simply find it impossible to believe that Thompson is not out to 'ban' games, I quote directly from a recent letter from Thompson to the President:

'If the video game industry will not do what is necessary to keep killer games out of the hands of impressionable kids, whom neuroscience proves are the most likely to copycat these virtual reality killing scenarios, then we must implement, as a society, a total ban on the consumption of these murder simulators by adults and kids alike.'

(Source - http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=3223 - Terrible colour choices btw)

That doesn't sound like 'not out to ban' to me...

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Thompson has actually tried to keep games off of store shelves.  Bully, for example.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Wasn't that one more because he thought that the kiddies would catch "teh gay" because the main character kisses a boy at some point in the story?

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

In truth, that was sort of a 'back-up' plan, his original claim before the court was the Bully was a 'Columbine Simulator' and would cause thousands of cases of catapult attacks (still waiting for this to happen). After he'd been knocked back by the judge. he discovered that the main character could kiss other boys and, being Thompson, blew a gasket.

 

Edit: As Andrew demonstrated as I was typing the post... :)

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

"...Bully will lead to increased bullying in our schools... Marketing and selling a school bullying virtual reality simulator to school children... is preparing at-risk students here and elsewhere for another Columbine."

"When kids start showing up in ERs with slingshot wounds at the hands of Bully enthusiasts, don't blame me."

After he failed to get the game declared a public nuisance, he then equated the game to porn:

"It turns out that the school violence simulation game Bully also contains homosexual activity between the game’s hero, Jimmy Hopkins, and other male students."

"It is my legal opinion that the sale of this game to minors... violates Florida’s 'Sexual Material Harmful to Minors Statute,' Florida Statute 847.102."

And no, "kissing" does not qualify as sexual conduct under Florida law.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

His tone will change once Thompson adds him to that infernal mailing list.

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Well. If they make a new version of Dr. Jekill and Mr. Hyde, they should look on Miami for new talent.

The cynical side of videogames (spanish only): http://thelostlevel.blogspot.com/ My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship): http://www.darkknightstrikes.deviantart.com/

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Have I just watched a Penn & Teller "Bullshit" Episode about Video games with Jack Thompson in it? Run for your lives! 

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Any mention of when a transcript will be posted? 

 
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