Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

July 15, 2009 -

GameCulture reports on Card Checked, a Flash game created by Libertarian Grover Norquist and Americans for Tax Relief.

When we last saw Norquist on the pages of GamePolitics he was speaking out in opposition to video game legislation in Utah. This time around, his game - set in a tattoo parlor - is meant to rally opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act. GameCulture explains:

Card Check [is a] a majority sign-up policy that makes it easier for unions to get employer recognition. If at least 50% of employees sign a card authorizing representation, secret ballots can be bypassed. ATR says that "in the game, the player is a tattoo artist who faces several attempts by union organizers to get you to sign the card, including visiting you at home, vandalizing your car, threatening your cat, and even offering you marijuana."

As it turns out, labor leader Eddie Vale of the AFL-CIO took offense not only to the game's portrayal of union organizers as thugs, but to its game play as well:

As anyone who actually grew up playing Atari or Nintendo will know, calling this a video game is as accurate as their lies about the Employee Free Choice Act...

Norquist minion Brian Johnson wasted no time in firing back at Vale:

I'm not sure that a 1930s throwback like the AFL-CIO should be giving advice about what's cool. We're not sure what video games have been cranked out this year by the international brotherhood of video game programmers, but we'd be happy to stack our game up to any union-made product any day.


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Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Toyota workers are also unionized but they are under a different union not the UAW. In fact most if not all auto workers are unionized. Thing is that foreign auto makers kept the UAW away cause they're not dumb.

Right now workers under the UAW took a big hit with the new agreement to keep GM and Chrysler going. My friend told me that most of his retirement perks are gone. Kinda sad but they had it coming.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Let's add ALPA to the list, with their 'wine and dine and sign' mentality.

And yeah, you leave the teamsters on that damn list.  Also, the UAW. Let's add the teacher's union too, which has, for YEARS, done its best to protect undereducated and underqualified teachers from being replaced by people with relevant degrees and experience.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Ugh, don't even go into the Teacher's Union. They do great stuff like make the NYC school district pay the teachers for sitting around playing games and knitting for years while they work on any complaints filed against them. Unions are a joke anymore, but I don't think you're going to convince Snipzor of that.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

hah hah, someone actually took a stab at the lazy unions out there?

bah, can't live with'em can't live without'em though i suppose. though the game sounds more realistic to my hearing of the union thug work than what the unions claim happen.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

"As anyone who actually grew up playing Atari or Nintendo will know, calling this a video game is as accurate as their lies about the Employee Free Choice Act..."

Like the fact that union organizers would be able to know who voted AGAINST unionizing? I suppose that's a lie?  Or does it help the democratic process?  Maybe the union 'organizers' will go out and talk to them, to see if a deal can be brokered? Yeah fucking right. They'll go to their homes, vandalize their property, threaten them, harass them, and overall just act like a fucking streetgang.

By the way, the three unions I was involved in (2 teamster, 1 that won't be disclosed) were all run like mafias.  Our leadership was taking kickbacks galore and ignoring the plight of the worker, and when asked for help, they ignored us.  So when I got a few guys to go in for a lawyer with me, our union representative threatened to kill me in the parking lot.  From what I hear, this hasn't changed from being a standard union practice. 

Unions are destroying this country, and they do far more harm than good.  That goes to all you fucking teamster union heads who think you're the godfather, ALPA, and many, many others.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

During my short stint at UPS and as a Teamster, I came rather quickly to the conclusion that our safety rep was completely useless.  It wasn't necessarily the equipment that was dangerous but the other union members working at my facility (having a few hard drug users around a lot of machinery is a bad combination).  But a big ripoff was that even if you did not join the union, you still had to pay union dues because it was a union shop. 

First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Well I can't speak to your experiences but the couple union jobs I held were by far the highest paying, most benefited positions for the job I've ever worked.

 

I think unions, when properly regulated, do FAR more good for employees than harm.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Exactly. Secret ballots exist to protect employees from retaliation by both employers and unions. If they implement Card Check, you can guarantee the unions will be using those cards to determine who's not on their side and make the dissenters offers they can't refuse. Card Check is nothing more than a new way to enable union thuggery.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Actually, more like the employers would retaliate against the pro-union workers. I really don't understand how so many people have bought hook, line, and sinker the bullshit that unions are some evil organiztions that rip off the working man.

You guys should go read the history of labor in the United States and just how bad it was before unions came along. Also at just how hard big business has fought against the unions, even going to far as to murder organizers.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Actually, more like the employers would retaliate against the pro-union workers.

Great, so card check is bad for employees in several unique and painful ways. Your post only reinforces the reasoning behind secret ballots.

I won't deny that labor unions have been and in some cases still are useful, but to deny that unions, especially the most powerful ones such as the Teamsters, UAW, AFL-CIO, etc., have a long history of corruption and intimidation tactics is willful ignorance.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

I really don't understand how so many people have bought hook, line, and sinker the bullshit that unions are some evil organiztions that rip off the working man. 

Maybe we've worked in places that were unionized.  Hell, I worked in a place that it was considered an  illegal action to remove the local union rep, who was suspended for a month for grabbing another guys crotch and making sexual advances, because the vote wasn't done at his behest.  HE WAS SUSPENDED FOR SEXUAL HARRASMENT.  THAT'S WHY HE WASN'T PRESENT AT THE VOTE. HE WAS LUCKY THAT CHARGES WERE NOT PRESSED.

Or that it took 3 shifts of packing and unpacking boxes to make sure there was a metal clip on a piece of plastic.  AND NOBODY GOT FIRED FOR SCREWING IT UP, BECAUSE THEY WERE PROTECTED.

Or when a known drunk was caught at a bar during work hours, a union member came up to me and tried to convince me that the times I saw him at work were not the times that I saw him.  They shut up quick when I told them that there was a log of his activity that he had to start, so I had verifyable backup to when he was in the front office.

Or maybe they've worked at a place where the union did NOT stand up for any of the workers who deserved reconization, who deserved a higher rate of pay, while defending the druggies, the drunks, and the slackers.

 

You guys should go read the history of labor in the United States and just how bad it was before unions came along. 

Yes, congrats.  You just stated that at one time they were useful.  And they were.  Now, they are more corrupt than the corruption they claim to fight.

 

 

Also at just how hard big business has fought against the unions

OF COURSE.  It restricts their ability to function as a flexable company.  Look at the union in Verizion trying to keep Verizion from expanding into other busnesses that do not involve laying of landlines, which is a division that is unionized.

 

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Let's not forget that this is being done under the guise of "Employee Free Choice," implying that the employee is the instigator of such a decision.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Unions all suffer from the same problem, the concept of a Union is a great thing, but they tend to polarise into either a private fundraiser for those at the top, which seems to be common in the US, or a whiny, hand-wringing ineffectual sop, as has happened in the UK with local government.

In the UK, ASLEF has certainly put me off of the concept, you can be pretty certain there will be at least one strike per year, deliberately timed to cause the maximum of disruption, for better pay, and I can absolutely assure you that there will be a strike during the Olympics. I support fair pay as much as the other person, but it's evolved into undisguised greed.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

This is the exact same thing that caused GM and Chrysler to go under.  Now, UAW owns a majority share of both companies.  I'm sure that GM and Chrysler will be the best car companies again (yeah, right).

Unions stopped being useful in America a long time ago, because what most unions fought for are now legally requried (overtime pay, sick leave, family medical leave).  All unions do now is bully the company to pay the members more money, which has to be paid to the higher-ups in the union in the form of dues and benefit payments.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Unions do the same fucking things that OSHAA does now, except they charge more to the worker and act like they're the damn mafia whenever you question them.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Actually when unions were actually effective is when they did have mafia ties.  Now we have these spineless and useless groups which call themselves unions.  They are mostly there on behalf of the company to make it look like they are doing something for you by getting token gestures from the buisinesses they are supposed to be at odds with.  So the union pacifies the workers for the buisiness, and the workers have to pay for the "privelage" of being pacified.

So the modern day equivalent of unions needs to crawl in a hole and die.  If we are going to work in sweat shops the last thing we need are some useless do nothing group taking $15 a week from our slave wages.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

My mother dislikes unions(believes the same way as you austin) and she is a nurse at a medical center in New jersey

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

It would not be surprising to find that your mother's union had an ACTUAL mafia backing, rather than a bunch of people who like to act like a mafia.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

Nah, she isn't in a Nurses union(that's what I know)

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Card Check Controversy Sparks Game, Exchange of Insults

International Brotherhood of Video Game Programmers...

If that had a better acronym, I'd already be ordering the sharks with laser beams on their heads...

 
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