Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

July 16, 2009 -

If you didn't make it to SGC09 a couple of weeks back, Screw Attack has posted video of the debate between gamer/attorney Mark Methenitis and disbarred attorney Jack Thompson.

We've embedded the full Monty, but there is also a 16-minute, edited version.


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Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

So JT's a liar, in addition to a porn distributor, someone with terrorist tendencies, and a religious zealot. Big surprise there.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Besides everything that has been said before heres what stuck in my craw:

"I can't think of anyplace I'd rather be on July 4th then right here."

 

This from the asshole that said something along the lines of: "I could be home with my family on the 4th instead of being subjected to these vicious attacks on my charecter." When he was pissing and moaning about a video someone posted that he didn't like.

 

 

 

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Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Woot- it's up....I'll have to check this out later- I'm at work. Is he being less insane than usual?

From reading some of the comments he still seems to think that retailers have deep connections with the game development industry. And his favorite thing is warning about things waiting to happen if we don't deal with the video games, but, they haven't happened yet. So what's going on? Is the world waiting on Jack Thompson?

Proven tests, schmoven tests. If you want undisputed test results, throw away your pens and clipboards, and look at everday life. It's been going on the same way as in the past 20 years. 

So, Jack Thompson, am I doing it wrong? I step out of my home to go to work every weekday, but I don't see a surge in kids running around stabbing people, teenagers having gay relations (as Bully supposedly has) or getting chased by police cars. Maybe I really am doing it wrong :-/

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Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

I didn't watch the full debate because of time constraints, but the 16 minute cut still makes me feel the Jack's same misinformed rhetoric went unchallenged as it always has. He is a dealer of misinformation and it's the only thing he has to back up his really weak arguments.

He goes on and on about 14 year olds killing hookers in GTA and having digital sex... Well, you don't have to kill the hooker, you don't have to pick them up, and the digital sex is something that's not even on the GTA: San Andreas disc any more. Yet, he continues to harp on it, because it was that one time that he had something resembling a valid argument (if you ignored the fact that getting the hot ocffee mod took a lot more work than the media ever let on)

It really does bother me that he keeps talking about young children playing GTA without acknowledging the parents' role in that scenario. How did the child get the money for the game? Why was the child going to a store alone to buy it? Why are the able to play this game at length without the parents ever knowing they owned it? It's not the games fault, and it's not the Government, the ESRB, or the Stores fault that the parents weren't involved enough. If anything, people like Jack Thompson make GTA more desirable to childrne because the only hints of information they get about the games is that they're so ultra violent and kids should NEVER get to play them.

Jack hasn't changed, at all.. It feels like he's bitching about the same stuff and we're ranting the same crap right back at him.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Unfortunately, the way the debate was framed didn't allow for much in the way of debunk Jack's lies and misinformation he spreads or the tactics he employs to do it, although I thought the P&T BS episode did a fairly good job of doing that and showing him for the idiot he is.  I do think, however that such a debate needs to happen, even if he's been thoroughly discredited by now.  However, he's canny enough to try to find a way to welch out of it like he always does.  The only reason why he finally agreed to appear at this was was because he was contractually obligated and couldn't back out, even though he tried to use poor Marzgurl as a scapegoat.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video


He's still comparing video games to terrorist attacks. He still thinks games that have 'excessiveness' should be removed from the shelves, regardless if they are for adults. That the military is covering up a secret with fine tuning soldiers with games for the Xbox. That his favored version of a 'proven' test shows that there is a connection with game and violence. And he's still makes it out that somehow, M-rated video game commercials come on during Chowder on Cartoon Network.

But if he had acted as good as he did here, many would have at least heard what he had to say, rather than slam or mock him.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Hey GP, can you link the original, full length, video for me?  Its not loading on my laptop.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

I am oddly pleased that VBS got mentioned ^_^

The myths about the military and video games esp tends to get to me...

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Atlease he was civilized during the debate.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Not bothering, Thompson has had nothing but pointless threats, lies and intimidation for his M.O for years, one day of actually acting like a civilised human being, rather than a monkey, doesn't change that.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Agreed with you and Nightwing.  Just because he acted civil for one day does not excuse the outrageous things he's done and said over the past years.  Besides, from what I read of the LiveBlog, it looked almost like a replay of the VGXpo debate he had with Lorne Lanning.  So I'm passing on this as well as it seems like more of the same.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

I suppose what annoys me is the fact that he didn't even notice that he stood in front of a crowd of us 'evil gamers' and no-one tried to kill him! Under his own view of the world, that should never have happened.

I wonder when it will sink through that thick skull of his that he isn't hated because of his position, as the debate proved, but because of his totally obnoxious, self-centred and unacceptable attitude towards anyone he percieves as an 'effective enemy'.

He blew his chances as far as I'm concerned, I may not agree with Yee, for example, but I don't consider him a complete waste of space, because Yee doesn't try to imply that anyone who feels otherwise is a child molesting heroin addict, whereas Thompson is actually infantile enough to do so, and has done so.

He is so insecure in his beliefs that he has to lash out violently at anyone who objects, and I think that, more than anything else, helps identify exactly what Thompson really is.

I may be firm in my beliefs, and I will state them when I have them, but I don't dislike Thompson for what he believes, I dislike him for the fact that he will happily, and was happily, stalking a member of this very forum for a month, contacting their employer and trying to destroy their job, dislike Thompson as I do, I would never consider being downright evil enough to sink to that level because I disagreed, but Thompson will quite happily stoop to that kind of low and has done so repeatedly, purely because he was stupid enough to lose himself his job through that exact kind of behaviour.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

He's stopped doing it in recent years, but remember when Jack used to send countless incendiary and vitriolic messages. He was the king troll, riling thousands of gamers with a single e-mail. He really is an angry man with a lot of troubles and a lot of misplaced passion.

Every time he's appeared publically to debate these things in front of real live people he's been soft spoken, stuttery, and often presents his arguments in a much less confident manner than he does when he can hide behind a computer monitor. In fact, he's been complimented for being so professional and polite in person, but this is the same Jack Thompson that went and called all gamers depraved psychopaths.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Thompson is the very embodiment ofthe Great Internet Asshole theory.

He likley feels better behind a moniter anyway, makes it easier for him to devalue and dehumanize his opponents.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Fact is, the likes of Fred Phelps, Eric Rudolph, David Duke, and even Osama Bin Laudin could ALL act reasonable and rational, making contradictory statements to their prior comments and actions just as easily.  And just looking at the names, you know they all have varying degrees of extremisms. 

And I would no more have any gained respect for them than I would for the likes of John Bruce should THEY act in a "civilized" manner.

I've read the live blogging and you definitely hit the nail on the head.  Unfortunately, a number of folks were taken in by the difference in his manner there from his manner elsewhere.

Worse yet, he will most likely claim that prior preceptions of his actions were made up by "gamers" or by gaming sites.  But one doesn't even need to source his actions from gamers or gaming sites.  One just needs to look at various press releases, put out by HIM and written by HIM, as well as various legal documents put forth and written by HIM, AND by his own testimony in various situations such as in front of congress and his written statments to various politicians.

He screwed himself and only the ignorant and uninformed will blindly follow his lies and deceit which are publically on record.

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Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Watched the whole thing. Very good video and I'm suprised Jack said he didn't want the government to take away video games when he wanted so many to be banned and pulled from shelves. The irony.

Re: Screw Attack Posts Methenitis - Thompson Debate Video

Given the number of lies he had in that debate... not surprising that he would change his story for the audiance....

 
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