Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

July 17, 2009 -

President Barack Obama has - yet again - referenced playing video games as a metaphor for underachievement.

[GP: click here for other recent examples, although Obama has made similar comments going back to at least 2006.]

In a speech in New York last night marking the 100th anniversary of the NAACP, Obama said:

We have to say to our children, Yes, if you’re African American, the odds of growing up amid crime and gangs are higher. Yes, if you live in a poor neighborhood, you will face challenges that someone in a wealthy suburb does not. But that’s not a reason to get bad grades, that’s not a reason to cut class, that’s not a reason to give up on your education and drop out of school. No one has written your destiny for you. Your destiny is in your hands - and don’t you forget that.

To parents, we can’t tell our kids to do well in school and fail to support them when they get home. For our kids to excel, we must accept our own responsibilities. That means putting away the Xbox and putting our kids to bed at a reasonable hour. It means attending those parent-teacher conferences, reading to our kids, and helping them with their homework...

 

It also means pushing our kids to set their sights higher. They might think they’ve got a pretty good jump shot or a pretty good flow, but our kids can’t all aspire to be the next LeBron or Lil Wayne. I want them aspiring to be scientists and engineers, doctors and teachers, not just ballers and rappers. I want them aspiring to be a Supreme Court Justice. I want them aspiring to be President of the United States.

BlackPoliticsontheWeb has the full text of Obama's speech. The Washington Post has coverage of the event, which it termed a "tough love message for [Obama's] fellow African-Americans." The New York Times called Obama's speech "a fiery sermon."

UPDATE: The Wall Street Journal took notice of our coverage - and of some comments by GP readers...


Comments

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Once again, President Obama takes a massive steaming dump on the gaming community.

Come on guys, it's time to show this dude that we are a political force to be reckoned with and not a bunch of drooling apes who will continue to apologize for him.

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

This guy is mad with power. Everything Mike Savage has said about him is true.

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

When I was a boy many years ago (and boy, do I sound like my father right now...) my mother and father=my parents told me to make my homework first, before I were allowed to play anything at all or to do what I wanted to do.

Homeweork for school must come before all else these days; parents must insist on this. In short, they need to do a very traditional and conservative thing, they need to parent their children. They should guide them as well.

Obama can, of course, make this comment to the African-American community, because he has worked with them as a community organizer; he knows what he's talking about.

If and when children of African-Americans shall be doctors, chemists, teachers, engineers, people need to push these children to get them to reach their fullest potential; teachers should expect as much, if not perhaps even more, from their African-Americans students.

And to achieve this, at least some of the time, believe it or not, the xbox 360 will have to be put away so that these aspiring young people learn the value of studying both hard and smart, before they get to play their favorite game on the xbox 360.

In short:

Parents need to parent their children; they don't have to be in the role of helpless victims: do many things themselves they can (to paraprahse Yoda)

 

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Until our society blends completely with out cultural difference nor regional, someone who can speak to one of these subsets of humanity must speak directly to them.  Especially when that group to everyone's knowledge appears to be doing poorly by the standards of present day.  

We are aware that the white populous is not granted this freedown since it is considered inappropriate. Moreover, freedom of speech protects everyone's rights, but you have to still work with in the societal unwritten rules if you want to be heard by a significant number of people.  Thus, the days when Blacks, Chinese, Hispanic, and other non-White Americans don't need to address their own groups is not yet at end.  So, Obama addresses the black community, whom still require guidance from a role model or someone who has earned their respect. 

It's not an attack on Microsoft nor the gaming community espcially if you do not take it out of context of his speech.  To do so IMHO is just new buzz and free plublicity, or even very sensative people that would rather stress themselves out than get the true intent.  If this had been the 80's he might have said, 'put down the G.I. Joes or that He-Man.'  His use of Xbox in general can be attributed to it being the most popular of hardcore platforms.  It is also, most known for adult content.  It's debatable, but the language people use on the voice chat, and it having the largest most cohesive and successful online community out of all the consoles speaks for itself in regard to it being something parents should supervise attention.

Again, people will blow it out of proportion and the real message will have less impact if we let it.  It is simple: Parents take responsibility.  Provide structure and enforce rules, which will allow your children do well in school and life in general.  Xbox and the other gaming platforms are the modern road block to children doing their homework and sleeping enough (heck even getting enough exercise.)  Children are most often not able to stop playing with their toys so it has always been up to the parents to resolve this by placing limits on various activities.  Obama is saying no less; his words were not strong, they were spoken in terms that everyone understands.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Biased article. Go figure

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"Because this town is under the stranglehold of a few tight eyed Tree Huggers who would rather play Hacky Sack than lock up the homeless" -- Birch Barlow

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Isn't is odd how this president urges people to try and better themselves through their own work and dedication, and yet is reforming this country into one where everyone gets the same outcome, regardless of how much effort you give?  What's the point in trying to succeed when the fruit of your efforts get redistributed to those who couldn't be bothered?

As for the videogame comments he makes, I think it has more to playing off the still-existing stereotype that gaming is for losers.  There is no veiled agenda to these comments- it's just semantics.

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

I can't wait to see what Mr.Pat has to say about this.  I've been saying this since I came onto GP, and he's done nothing but attack me personally, telling me and anyone who'll listen that I can't be a Marine who grew up in the ghetto from a broken family.  And his logic behind this thought?  If I was a Marine, I'd blindly agree with every policy made by the President, no matter how outlandish.

I wonder if he see's the irony of that statement anyway.  Let's say I did blindly agree with Obama.  You wanna bet he'd have a problem with me blindly agreeing with Bush under his Presidency?  He claims I do, even though I've been pretty consistent on issues he's messed up.

I may be a Marine, but that doesn't mean I'm required to follow anyone blindly.  I'm supposed to follow the spirit of the order.  However, my primary job is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.  Last time I checked, that document GUARANTEES me the right to speak my mind.  As such, it is my right to disagree with the policies the President puts into place, so long as none of those policies affect my ability to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.  Disagreeing with his stimulus bill, with a health care program we can't afford, with letting terrorists free in America (especially after risking my life to put them in prison) does not make me a criminal.

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If you were in the marines, please provide us some proof. Maybe a commanding officer? some traditions that the marines follow such as who eats first in the chow line and such?  What bases were you stationed at? What your ranking was?

Otherwise I m a 21 year old billionaire, I have 3 homes million dollar homes in Hawaii each one on a different island. I bought my own island in Tahiti. I have a vacation home in san tropez which I fly over to in my private jet.  I just came from my 3 story suite on the Vegas strip after gambling with 100g tokens. Now I m off to New York to marvolus 4 story condo with my private theather.  


I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who's parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Though I don't owe you jack shit, I was stationed at Camp Pendelton in San Diego, and did some sea duty on the U.S.S. Enterprise, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier based in the Pacific.  The lowest-ranking people eat first in the chow line, because you take care of your men before you take care of yourself.  A door is a hatch, a window a porthole, a floor a deck, a bed a rack, a hat a cover.  I made it to E-7, a Gunnery Sargeant, before I decided that I wanted to return to civilian life, going back to my wife and children.

Is that enough?  Or do you want to know more personal information about me you have no business knowing?

Edit:  Also, isn't this completely off topic?  Oh, wait, you and Mr.Pat don't care about the topic itself because you don't have any valid arguments.  You just feel like attacking people personally that don't agree with your Fearless Leader.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Now I know your absolutely bullshitting. Especially if you did server on a Navy ship. All the answers are all googled. And I know your no E-7. Hell did not even give MOS. Now I know you absolutely bullshitting


I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who's parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Oh, yeah, I'm bullshitting and you caught me, because I didn't tell you my MOS.  See my above post to your buttbuddy Mr.Pat.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

No I know your bullshiting. You dont know what is MOS. I highly doubt you served on the USS Enterprise. If you did then when? Sorry all you statements are all highly bullshit.


I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who's parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Once again, I don't owe you an explaination for anything, so you can shut the fuck up.  I could tell you about my 0300 Infantry MOS and serving on the Enterprise in 2007 for some sea duty, but you still would claim that I'm lying or that I haven't told you enough.

Go eat a dick.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Yup your bullshitting. stop lying already.Your Not a marine. You never were. Your just wannabe.

sea duty on the U.S.S. Enterprise, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier based in the Pacific.
Enterprise in 2007

 Well mister marine. if you did server on the USS Enterprise in 2007 you would know that the USS Enterprise's homeport is Norfolk, Virginia not in the pacific. The USS enterprise has not been homeported in the Pacific since 1989. So you are bullshitting. 

Second Bullshit statement

0300 Infantry MOS
I made it to E-7, a Gunnery Sargeant,

 MOS stands for Military Occupational specialty. So now I absolutely know your bullshitting. If you were a Gunney you wouldnt be ranked in the 300 because that only goes up to SGT. Keep trying dumbass.

 


I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who's parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Again with the homo-erotic insults; just come out of the closet already, you already know Don't Ask Don't Tell doesn't apply to you.

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Strange how its always the conservatives who always resort to homosexual themed insults towards people, my guess is that someone's starting to peak his way out of the closet finally - does your "family" know about this?

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Wow, you can't answer anyone at all without coming off as an asshole can you? And why the sudden anger over this off-topic discussion? Where's your outrage for all the other off-topic discussions that take place? Oh right, this one proved you have no credibility so only this one is bad.

That negative attitude towards someone actually asking about your "service" really says a lot doesn't it?

Oh, and general-knowledge information doesn't prove you were a Marine, it either proves you know or looked-up general military knowledge. There are plenty of ways to prove yourself without going into your private life; just because you choose to ignore them doesn't mean they don't exist, but feel free to keep projecting your opinion as fact and acting persecuted if that makes you feel all better on the insides.

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I like how I do answer the question and the answer is somehow not valid in your opinion, thus making it not valid at all.  Just like I said before, that if I did take the time to prove what I said, you'd still cry foul.

Thank you for proving me right.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

I've proved no such thing, as stating general knowledge that people even outside the military know doesn't confirm you're a Marine. Like I said previously, there were and still are plenty of ways to actally go about proving you served, but as usual, you took the laziest way possible and left it wide open for speculation. I know this whole backing up your clains thing is hard for you, but trust me, its well worth learning, lest you want to be known as a liar your whole life.

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Obsessive much? I know you have the biggest persecution complex on this site since JT himself, but for the record, the only time I "attack you personally", a.k.a. call you out on your BS statements, rhetoric, and your overall bitter and hateful tone towards the other side of the political spectrum, has been when you've said something stupid and refused to back it up, said something stupid to make you look superior to other people here, projected your opinions as facts (like the reasons I state you aren't a Marine), and been overall hateful and bitter to the other side of the politcal spectrum. The fact that you've gone on to someone else's unrelated comment to whine about that shows you're more than happy to dish crap out, but can't take it in the slightest.

Our little armchair-general here claims my sole reason I don't believe he's a Marine is because he isn't 100% loyal to Obama - I would absolutely love it if he could actually quote me where I said that, since he can't, but I doubt he'd so much as try, given his refusal to ever back up something he's claimed, regardless of who or how many ask him to. Nevermind the fact that I've said close to half a dozen times now its his lack of honor and decorum, his behavior and conduct towards people who aren't lockstep with him, and his lack of integrity in so much as he refuses to cite anything he claims, those apparantly have nothing to do with it according to him. Not to mention, how many Marines possess a persecution complex and whine as much as he does? How many threaten people for not believing them to boot?

Going on, Sgt. Sensitive says he is guaranteed the right to speak due to the Constitution. This is correct. However, where he fails is with the addition of his little sig quote, where he says you are free to "say anything, provided its the truth". You can see that failure in his constant negative accusations towards his sitting president, the media, people he perceives as liberals, people who disagree with him, etc, etc, etc. You would think someone who leaves that at the end of every post would, oh, I don't know, practice what he preaches, but given that he thinks he's exempt from proving what he says, I suppose its not too far off to say he thinks he's exempt from following that as well.

I really don't have a problem when people disagree with the president; as such, I don't have any issue with Zerodash's comment, especially as he didn't go out of his way to ba a jackass about it. At all. That being said, I also have no problem with going after the people doing so in the most bitter and partisan way they can, often times reciprocating their own attitude, like with our friend the chickenhawk. I mean really, with this being the internet and all, you'd think someone who claims to be a Marine would actually be able to handle stuff like this without coming off as a crybaby. Then again, its also very easy to lie via the cover of anonymity too, go figure.

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

I'm calling BS on you here, because this is the exact same thing I said before and you jumped all over me for being a neocon douchebag.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Then back up your claim. Oh wait, I'm supposed to "google it" because you're above that sort of thing, right?

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I don't have to back it up.  You know I said it.  I said it to you.  You then proceeded to jump up my asshole because I attacked the President, and as a citizen of this country I don't have the right to do so, unless the President happens to be a Conservative.

I'm not going to waste my time looking up old GP articles prove you said what you said.  If your memory is so bad that you can't remember what you say from week to week, maybe you should go to the doctor.  I suggest you do it before nationalized health care, because you'd be forced to wait six months for a tumor removal, so I doubt they'd get you a CT scan wthin a year.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

And thus you confirm you have absolutely no credibility because again you refuse to back up your own claims.

Again.

Instead, you opt to make further excuses to weasel out of it while you continue to cry perecuted.

Again.

 

Thank you very much for proving my point so quickly and easily.

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Explain why I have to back up a claim to you that I said something to you?  Is your memory totally fucked?

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Because you have no credibility. With all the claims you've made here, how many have you backed up or cited? I can tell you:

Zero.

Whenever you get asked to, you use any lame excuse you can come up with; you tell people to "Google it" or "look it up yourself" or "you wouldn't believe it anyways", blah, blah, friggin blah.

The burden of proof lies on you, sunshine.

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

You claim I have no credibility, yet you require me to prove that I said something to you.  If I have no credibility based on your definition, then you're an idiot for needing me to prove I told you something.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

For someone who likes to accuse others of having no reading comprehension, you sure are quite the hypocrite. I said you have no credibility because you never cite anything. Ever. You just make excuses and whine about it, or in this case, resort to ad-hominems to try and get out of doing it. Why the hell should anyone believe anything you ever say here when you refuse to back anything up and expect other people to do it for you? Its a cop-out and a piss-poor attempt to get out of it.

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I don't need to cite to you a conversation I had WITH YOU.  That's like you watching the Super Bowl with a friend and two weeks later telling him to PROVE to you that the winner won.

As far as ad-hominum goes, maybe you wouldn't deserve being attacked if you didn't start a fight by taking what somebody says and going off on a completely different tangent with it (like somebody pointing out PC in the media as an attack on the President).  Only fucking retards like you would do that.  You take what other people say, jump off a cliff with it and then expect them to bow to your will.  This fact and this fact alone is going to make sure you will never get your opinion off the Internet and into mainstream because you're an extremist.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

More projection, ad hominems, whining, and excuses; you really need to come up with something new, this is getting boring. The absolutely terrible analogy was a great attempt, but you'll have to come up with something a bit more, oh, I don't know, valid. You may as well just admit you've got nothing if all you're going to do is make excuses so you don't have to back anything up - at least then you'd be honest for once.

I know you absolutely hate it when people give you the exact same behavior you put on others, but you're just going to have to man up and accept it without whining like a crybaby when it reciprocates onto you - you know, like an actual Marine would do (they also don't threaten people over the internet, fyi).

Fact is that you lost the second you decided that proving anything you say or claim was beneath you; your very pathetic attempt to get away with it regarding your claim gay people were burning churches down in another thread was probably the best example of that to date (we're still waiting for you to cite that btw). You say something (usually stupid), expect people to believe it as absolute truth, get angry when they don't, and expect them to prove your points for you. You are intellectually dishonest and lazy.

And who says I want to broadcast my opinions off the internet? I like having my points right where they are. Then again, when the people arguing against my positions are racist and moronic teabaggers; whats the point when you're being swallowed by a sea of stupid?

 

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Talk about ad-hominum.  My point isn't valid that I don't have to prove to you that I had a conversation with you.  Do you have any idea how stupid you really sound?  I don't expect anyone to believe anything I say.  That's why I choose not to cite sources.  If people were really willing to learn about stuff, I shouldn't have to give it to them.  You're proving my point right here in this article.  I attack the media, you take that as an attack on the President, insult me personally without answering why you took it as an attack on the President (you just insulted me personally again) and then you say that I'm the one being a moron.  You then proceed to claim a conversation on this website between you and me didn't happen and expect me to post a link to it.  I don't have the patience to deal with you.  If you're looking for some sort of moral victory against somebody you've never actually met, go ahead and claim it, because I'm not going to give in to you, so you can just assume you're somehow morally righteous when compared to me.  Just remember that all I ever did was give an opinion or crack wise, and you took all of it personally.  Given this, I'd have to assume that this moral victory I'm handing to you willingly is the biggest thing you have to look forward to in life.  As for me, I have more important things to worry about.

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Yeah, reading comprehension definately isn't your strong suit it appears. I wasn't arguing that I had a conversation with you, I was asking you to prove you were "attacked personally" for saying exactly what ZeroDash did. Asking for that has brought out yet another tantrum from you apparantly, so kudos to you for that I suppose. Oh, and thank you very much for proving you think the burden of proof doesn't apply to you - that's some real Marine-quality integrity right there, and it shows you'd rather sound like you know what you're talking about instead of actually knowing what you're talking about. If you really don't expect people to believe what you say then you may as well remain silent, as you certainly make less of an ass of yourself that way and you don't go against the comment in your signature in the process.

And no, I'm not looking for any moral victory in this. I never had to; you gave me that a long time ago when you said waterboarding wasn't a form of torture. But you go on ahead and worry about your "more important things" like leading your fellow keyboard-commandos; have fun doing that too.

Oh, and I did answer your question from before, and you brushed it off as a conspiracy theory. If you can't remember then feel free to scroll up a bit, happy-boy.

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Your conspiracy theory is just that: a conspiracy theory.  You took what I said (that if a white person said what Obama said, the newspapers would call him a biggot, versus hailing the comments as words of a champion for responsible parenting) and somehow misconstrued that as an attack on the President.  You make that claim because I've attacked the President before, on health care and the economy.  I attack the Presidents policies because I don't agree with them.  However, in this particular case, whom I have the problem with is mainstream media, because only an idiot would have a problem with somebody calling for responsible parenting (it's just funny that it's coming from a Democrat, seeing all the attacks made by Dems on Sarah Palin).  Now, you're taking two totally different and thinly-related items and somehow coming to the conclusion that they are de-facto connected, by connecting them to an attack that doesn't even exist.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

I was wondering when you'd bring Saint Sarah Bailin', er, Palin, into the conversation, as she's literally the only person I could think of who plays the victim card more than you do. Seeing as she doesn't factor into this, it was rather pointless to bring her up unless you want to portray her as an innocent victim undeserving of any criticsm, like you do with yourself.

As for my "conspiracy theory", its just as valid as your "Obama is a secret muslim socialist" conspiracy. When you make a comment on a public forum its open to any and all interpretations whether you want it to be or not; deal with it.

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I have never said Obama was a muslim.  Now you're accusing me of biggotry for something I haven't said.  Nice.  And you're right, saying something publicly is open to interpretation.  However, idiots that interpret something that's 180 degrees from what was said are still idiots.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Thank you then for admitting you're an idiot. Here I thought I'd have to explain how your attempt to previously paint Palin as a victim and Obama as a socialist are just asininely stupid, but you saved me a lot of trouble by coming to terms like that.

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Its interesting how you keep bringing up healthcare, especially since the Veterens healthcare plan is state funded. I don't disagree with it, mind you. It's the least we can do for the men and women who sacrifice their lives.

Anyways the little tiff you guys have going is entertaining as hell.

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If you were trying to respond to me, I was talking about ObamaCare.  You know, the trillion-dollar-a-decade hole we're gonna be throwing money into.

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

The Veterans Healthcare plan is also, of late, absolute fucking garbage, and has been since Clinton.

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

No offense, but you're replying to the wrong person in this case, as I've never brought up healthcare. He did.

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You're just too informed for American politics; you're noticing the discrepencies between idea and practice.

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My last thought:

Obama didn´t tackle videogames directly, or at least it wasn´t on pourpose. But, he will misrepresented by the anti-videogame morons (Jack, for example. By the way, I think he will complete believe that Obama is now his "strongest ally" or almost his soul mate in this "cultural war").

The public, by other hand, the only messages they are getting from Obama is "gamez are evilz" and "Xbox must be bad for children". I know it wasn´t Obama´s intention, but that is the only thing he will get repeating "Put away that Xbox" over and over and over again.

Parents are getting this from Obama: "Come on, guys, I know is not your fault you don´t care about you children when they are in home, but if you put away that damn Xbox, things will be fine. Your children even will want to be astronauts. And we need children to fix all the crap we made when they grown up, OK? Bye".

Sorry again if I´m making someone to be angry, but to be a parent is more hard than just to send your children to go to bed at 8 o´clock or taking away the Xbox.

 

 

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Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

My last thought:

Obama didn´t tackle videogames directly, or at least it wasn´t on pourpose. But, he will misrepresented by the anti-videogame morons (Jack, for example. By the way, I think he will complete believe that Obama is now his "strongest ally" or almost his soul mate in this "cultural war").

The public, by other hand, the only messages they are getting from Obama is "gamez are evilz" and "Xbox must be bad for children". I know it wasn´t Obama´s intention, but that is the only thing he will get repeating "Put away that Xbox" over and over and over again.

Obama is saying to parents: "Come on, guys, I know is not your fault you don´t care about you children when they are in home, but if you put away that damn Xbox, things will be fine. Your children even will want to be astronauts. And we need children to fix all the crap we made when they grown up, OK? Bye".

Sorry again if I´m making someone to be angry, but to be a parent is more hard than just to send your children to go to bed at 8 o´clock or taking away the Xbox.

 

 

The cynical side of videogames (spanish only): http://thelostlevel.blogspot.com/ My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship): http://www.darkknightstrikes.deviantart.com/

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I've already went on a huge rant in the last Obama article, so I'm not going to type another 9 page(literally) rant.
 
I will restate that I believe he is saying these things for a reason.

I think what we need to be aware of is public opinion.  He continuously puts down video games as something to avoid, even though games are tools for education. (See Will Wright's Statement, just go to the home page and scroll down a bit. He put it perfectly in the last quoted paragraph).
 
When the public hears a president they seem to love continuously say something is bad for children then it is going to be that much easier to convince a great number of things.  1.) That video games aren't bad for society, 2.) Video games aren't only for 12 year old boys. and 3.) The Industry should regulate itself.

Because of Obama' frequently putting down video games in his speaches, organizations are going to have that much of a harder time defending video games in the public realm.  When regulation laws pop up, and they always do, the public will have "kids should put the xbox away" in the back of their mind.

This might not be what Obama is trying to say but I do believe that is how the general public hears this message.  Public opinions matter to organizations such as the ECA, EMA and IGDA.  We have to be aware of what is to come and how the public's opinions can change.  If we don't realize that public opinions actually matter then we're all going to be in a sticky situation before we know it.


The president shouldn't be involved in parenting america.  I see it as disgusting.  Parents shouldn't be getting parenting advice from their government.  Am I the only person that sees this as INSANE?  Are people going to their government for everything?  I just don't see the role the government has in raising everyone's children.  But we should get used to it, because it isn't going to stop.  Though people seem to be less insulted when Obama does it for some reason.
 

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It surprising that television seems to be left out of the equation all of a sudden.  The speeches used to involve not just videogames.

Television is a much larger problem.  I know many many people who just plop themselves down in front of the tube and waste hours of their lives (I am often one of them).  With games, at least you're accomplishing goals.  And merely exercising the set goal/acheivement  skillset puts it way above passively sitting and watching.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

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I think you guys are getting way off topic here.

1) He used Xbox in a very general term for entertainment. There is no denying that video games are the most prevalent form of entertainment for the younger generation.

2) He references African-American parents in the first sentence; because that is the crowd he was talking to. But the language applies to all parents.

3) You can complain all you want about racism here, but studies (If you want I can send you link) have shown that the environment we grow up in does affect our standard of living later in life. There are poor White people and they grow up in ghettos. They obviously have the same level of education as an African-American growing up in the ghettos. Similarly there are African-American children who grow up in suburbs and they have excellent education. I don’t agree with affirmative action when it’s based on race, but based on income levels and environment it would make sense.

4) 90% of Black voters vote Democrat and the split among the White vote is pretty much 50/50. There was an additional 5% in favor of him, but that to be expected. When Kennedy ran in 1960 he received a significant amount of the Catholic (since he was Catholic) vote who normally vote Republican. People vote along racial and religious lines all the time.

And finally,

Can we just ignore his race and his religion? John F. Kennedy, in 1960, told people to vote for him based on his politics and not based on his religion. If people in the 60's thought like that, maybe we should too. Judge the President based on his policies, not on the color of his skin. Remember that we all love video games and they are an amazing new form of art, however kids need boundaries. Whether that is video games or any other activities is irrelevant.

If you can't spell Engineers by the way, you shouldn't be talking about politics. It may not be your first language but a simple spell check might help.

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Because the ability to spell is obviously a requirement for having a reasonable opinion 'about politics'.

If you're going to try to put requirements on how people should type before their opinion on a blog's comment section is valid maybe you should consider where your head is located and think about relocating it.

If you're going to be picky though... you should have typed it like this.

"If you can't spell Engineers, by the way, you shouldn't be talking about politics. It may not be your first language but a simple spell check might help."

You're missing a comma, a simple proof read might help.

I like the rest of your comment though.  It is well thought out and well put.  But lets not stick our nose in the air too high because someone misspelled a word, made a mistake in their sentence structure or simply made a typo... on a blog's comment section.

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This idiot is still running his mouth on videogames?

Just because he didn't have any games when he was a little muslim boy, doesn't give him the right to tell me jack spit about putting the xbox away.

That idiot advertised during his campaign in videogames. What a waste of pregnancy he is.

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cpu64 - what's the point of Obama's Islamic background? Please leave religious references out of future posts unless there is relevance to the topic under discussion.

Re: Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

Again, this coming from a man who advertised in a game for his nomination, good job Do'hbama.

 
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