Obama to African-American Parents: Put Away the Xbox

President Barack Obama has – yet again – referenced playing video games as a metaphor for underachievement.

[GP: click here for other recent examples, although Obama has made similar comments going back to at least 2006.]

In a speech in New York last night marking the 100th anniversary of the NAACP, Obama said:

We have to say to our children, Yes, if you’re African American, the odds of growing up amid crime and gangs are higher. Yes, if you live in a poor neighborhood, you will face challenges that someone in a wealthy suburb does not. But that’s not a reason to get bad grades, that’s not a reason to cut class, that’s not a reason to give up on your education and drop out of school. No one has written your destiny for you. Your destiny is in your hands – and don’t you forget that.

To parents, we can’t tell our kids to do well in school and fail to support them when they get home. For our kids to excel, we must accept our own responsibilities. That means putting away the Xbox and putting our kids to bed at a reasonable hour. It means attending those parent-teacher conferences, reading to our kids, and helping them with their homework…

 

It also means pushing our kids to set their sights higher. They might think they’ve got a pretty good jump shot or a pretty good flow, but our kids can’t all aspire to be the next LeBron or Lil Wayne. I want them aspiring to be scientists and engineers, doctors and teachers, not just ballers and rappers. I want them aspiring to be a Supreme Court Justice. I want them aspiring to be President of the United States.

BlackPoliticsontheWeb has the full text of Obama’s speech. The Washington Post has coverage of the event, which it termed a "tough love message for [Obama’s] fellow African-Americans." The New York Times called Obama’s speech "a fiery sermon."

UPDATE: The Wall Street Journal took notice of our coverage – and of some comments by GP readers…

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  1. 0
    F__ked up says:

    Yup your bullshitting. stop lying already.Your Not a marine. You never were. Your just wannabe.

    sea duty on the U.S.S. Enterprise, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier based in the Pacific.

    Enterprise in 2007

     Well mister marine. if you did server on the USS Enterprise in 2007 you would know that the USS Enterprise’s homeport is Norfolk, Virginia not in the pacific. The USS enterprise has not been homeported in the Pacific since 1989. So you are bullshitting. 

    Second Bullshit statement

    0300 Infantry MOS

    I made it to E-7, a Gunnery Sargeant,

     MOS stands for Military Occupational specialty. So now I absolutely know your bullshitting. If you were a Gunney you wouldnt be ranked in the 300 because that only goes up to SGT. Keep trying dumbass.

     


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

  2. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Thank you then for admitting you’re an idiot. Here I thought I’d have to explain how your attempt to previously paint Palin as a victim and Obama as a socialist are just asininely stupid, but you saved me a lot of trouble by coming to terms like that.

  3. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Once again, I don’t owe you an explaination for anything, so you can shut the fuck up.  I could tell you about my 0300 Infantry MOS and serving on the Enterprise in 2007 for some sea duty, but you still would claim that I’m lying or that I haven’t told you enough.

    Go eat a dick.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  4. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    I have never said Obama was a muslim.  Now you’re accusing me of biggotry for something I haven’t said.  Nice.  And you’re right, saying something publicly is open to interpretation.  However, idiots that interpret something that’s 180 degrees from what was said are still idiots.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  5. 0
    F__ked up says:

    No I know your bullshiting. You dont know what is MOS. I highly doubt you served on the USS Enterprise. If you did then when? Sorry all you statements are all highly bullshit.


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

  6. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    I was wondering when you’d bring Saint Sarah Bailin’, er, Palin, into the conversation, as she’s literally the only person I could think of who plays the victim card more than you do. Seeing as she doesn’t factor into this, it was rather pointless to bring her up unless you want to portray her as an innocent victim undeserving of any criticsm, like you do with yourself.

    As for my "conspiracy theory", its just as valid as your "Obama is a secret muslim socialist" conspiracy. When you make a comment on a public forum its open to any and all interpretations whether you want it to be or not; deal with it.

  7. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    I’ve proved no such thing, as stating general knowledge that people even outside the military know doesn’t confirm you’re a Marine. Like I said previously, there were and still are plenty of ways to actally go about proving you served, but as usual, you took the laziest way possible and left it wide open for speculation. I know this whole backing up your clains thing is hard for you, but trust me, its well worth learning, lest you want to be known as a liar your whole life.

  8. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Strange how its always the conservatives who always resort to homosexual themed insults towards people, my guess is that someone’s starting to peak his way out of the closet finally – does your "family" know about this?

  9. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Oh, yeah, I’m bullshitting and you caught me, because I didn’t tell you my MOS.  See my above post to your buttbuddy Mr.Pat.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  10. 0
    F__ked up says:

    Now I know your absolutely bullshitting. Especially if you did server on a Navy ship. All the answers are all googled. And I know your no E-7. Hell did not even give MOS. Now I know you absolutely bullshitting


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

  11. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    I like how I do answer the question and the answer is somehow not valid in your opinion, thus making it not valid at all.  Just like I said before, that if I did take the time to prove what I said, you’d still cry foul.

    Thank you for proving me right.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  12. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Your conspiracy theory is just that: a conspiracy theory.  You took what I said (that if a white person said what Obama said, the newspapers would call him a biggot, versus hailing the comments as words of a champion for responsible parenting) and somehow misconstrued that as an attack on the President.  You make that claim because I’ve attacked the President before, on health care and the economy.  I attack the Presidents policies because I don’t agree with them.  However, in this particular case, whom I have the problem with is mainstream media, because only an idiot would have a problem with somebody calling for responsible parenting (it’s just funny that it’s coming from a Democrat, seeing all the attacks made by Dems on Sarah Palin).  Now, you’re taking two totally different and thinly-related items and somehow coming to the conclusion that they are de-facto connected, by connecting them to an attack that doesn’t even exist.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  13. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Wow, you can’t answer anyone at all without coming off as an asshole can you? And why the sudden anger over this off-topic discussion? Where’s your outrage for all the other off-topic discussions that take place? Oh right, this one proved you have no credibility so only this one is bad.

    That negative attitude towards someone actually asking about your "service" really says a lot doesn’t it?

    Oh, and general-knowledge information doesn’t prove you were a Marine, it either proves you know or looked-up general military knowledge. There are plenty of ways to prove yourself without going into your private life; just because you choose to ignore them doesn’t mean they don’t exist, but feel free to keep projecting your opinion as fact and acting persecuted if that makes you feel all better on the insides.

  14. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Yeah, reading comprehension definately isn’t your strong suit it appears. I wasn’t arguing that I had a conversation with you, I was asking you to prove you were "attacked personally" for saying exactly what ZeroDash did. Asking for that has brought out yet another tantrum from you apparantly, so kudos to you for that I suppose. Oh, and thank you very much for proving you think the burden of proof doesn’t apply to you – that’s some real Marine-quality integrity right there, and it shows you’d rather sound like you know what you’re talking about instead of actually knowing what you’re talking about. If you really don’t expect people to believe what you say then you may as well remain silent, as you certainly make less of an ass of yourself that way and you don’t go against the comment in your signature in the process.

    And no, I’m not looking for any moral victory in this. I never had to; you gave me that a long time ago when you said waterboarding wasn’t a form of torture. But you go on ahead and worry about your "more important things" like leading your fellow keyboard-commandos; have fun doing that too.

    Oh, and I did answer your question from before, and you brushed it off as a conspiracy theory. If you can’t remember then feel free to scroll up a bit, happy-boy.

  15. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Though I don’t owe you jack shit, I was stationed at Camp Pendelton in San Diego, and did some sea duty on the U.S.S. Enterprise, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier based in the Pacific.  The lowest-ranking people eat first in the chow line, because you take care of your men before you take care of yourself.  A door is a hatch, a window a porthole, a floor a deck, a bed a rack, a hat a cover.  I made it to E-7, a Gunnery Sargeant, before I decided that I wanted to return to civilian life, going back to my wife and children.

    Is that enough?  Or do you want to know more personal information about me you have no business knowing?

    Edit:  Also, isn’t this completely off topic?  Oh, wait, you and Mr.Pat don’t care about the topic itself because you don’t have any valid arguments.  You just feel like attacking people personally that don’t agree with your Fearless Leader.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  16. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Talk about ad-hominum.  My point isn’t valid that I don’t have to prove to you that I had a conversation with you.  Do you have any idea how stupid you really sound?  I don’t expect anyone to believe anything I say.  That’s why I choose not to cite sources.  If people were really willing to learn about stuff, I shouldn’t have to give it to them.  You’re proving my point right here in this article.  I attack the media, you take that as an attack on the President, insult me personally without answering why you took it as an attack on the President (you just insulted me personally again) and then you say that I’m the one being a moron.  You then proceed to claim a conversation on this website between you and me didn’t happen and expect me to post a link to it.  I don’t have the patience to deal with you.  If you’re looking for some sort of moral victory against somebody you’ve never actually met, go ahead and claim it, because I’m not going to give in to you, so you can just assume you’re somehow morally righteous when compared to me.  Just remember that all I ever did was give an opinion or crack wise, and you took all of it personally.  Given this, I’d have to assume that this moral victory I’m handing to you willingly is the biggest thing you have to look forward to in life.  As for me, I have more important things to worry about.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  17. 0
    F__ked up says:

    If you were in the marines, please provide us some proof. Maybe a commanding officer? some traditions that the marines follow such as who eats first in the chow line and such?  What bases were you stationed at? What your ranking was?

    Otherwise I m a 21 year old billionaire, I have 3 homes million dollar homes in Hawaii each one on a different island. I bought my own island in Tahiti. I have a vacation home in san tropez which I fly over to in my private jet.  I just came from my 3 story suite on the Vegas strip after gambling with 100g tokens. Now I m off to New York to marvolus 4 story condo with my private theather.  


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

  18. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    More projection, ad hominems, whining, and excuses; you really need to come up with something new, this is getting boring. The absolutely terrible analogy was a great attempt, but you’ll have to come up with something a bit more, oh, I don’t know, valid. You may as well just admit you’ve got nothing if all you’re going to do is make excuses so you don’t have to back anything up – at least then you’d be honest for once.

    I know you absolutely hate it when people give you the exact same behavior you put on others, but you’re just going to have to man up and accept it without whining like a crybaby when it reciprocates onto you – you know, like an actual Marine would do (they also don’t threaten people over the internet, fyi).

    Fact is that you lost the second you decided that proving anything you say or claim was beneath you; your very pathetic attempt to get away with it regarding your claim gay people were burning churches down in another thread was probably the best example of that to date (we’re still waiting for you to cite that btw). You say something (usually stupid), expect people to believe it as absolute truth, get angry when they don’t, and expect them to prove your points for you. You are intellectually dishonest and lazy.

    And who says I want to broadcast my opinions off the internet? I like having my points right where they are. Then again, when the people arguing against my positions are racist and moronic teabaggers; whats the point when you’re being swallowed by a sea of stupid?

     

  19. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    I don’t need to cite to you a conversation I had WITH YOU.  That’s like you watching the Super Bowl with a friend and two weeks later telling him to PROVE to you that the winner won.

    As far as ad-hominum goes, maybe you wouldn’t deserve being attacked if you didn’t start a fight by taking what somebody says and going off on a completely different tangent with it (like somebody pointing out PC in the media as an attack on the President).  Only fucking retards like you would do that.  You take what other people say, jump off a cliff with it and then expect them to bow to your will.  This fact and this fact alone is going to make sure you will never get your opinion off the Internet and into mainstream because you’re an extremist.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  20. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    For someone who likes to accuse others of having no reading comprehension, you sure are quite the hypocrite. I said you have no credibility because you never cite anything. Ever. You just make excuses and whine about it, or in this case, resort to ad-hominems to try and get out of doing it. Why the hell should anyone believe anything you ever say here when you refuse to back anything up and expect other people to do it for you? Its a cop-out and a piss-poor attempt to get out of it.

  21. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    If you were trying to respond to me, I was talking about ObamaCare.  You know, the trillion-dollar-a-decade hole we’re gonna be throwing money into.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  22. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    You claim I have no credibility, yet you require me to prove that I said something to you.  If I have no credibility based on your definition, then you’re an idiot for needing me to prove I told you something.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  23. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Because you have no credibility. With all the claims you’ve made here, how many have you backed up or cited? I can tell you:

    Zero.

    Whenever you get asked to, you use any lame excuse you can come up with; you tell people to "Google it" or "look it up yourself" or "you wouldn’t believe it anyways", blah, blah, friggin blah.

    The burden of proof lies on you, sunshine.

  24. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Explain why I have to back up a claim to you that I said something to you?  Is your memory totally fucked?

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  25. 0
    Hodgekin says:

    Its interesting how you keep bringing up healthcare, especially since the Veterens healthcare plan is state funded. I don’t disagree with it, mind you. It’s the least we can do for the men and women who sacrifice their lives.

    Anyways the little tiff you guys have going is entertaining as hell.

  26. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    And thus you confirm you have absolutely no credibility because again you refuse to back up your own claims.

    Again.

    Instead, you opt to make further excuses to weasel out of it while you continue to cry perecuted.

    Again.

     

    Thank you very much for proving my point so quickly and easily.

  27. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    I don’t have to back it up.  You know I said it.  I said it to you.  You then proceeded to jump up my asshole because I attacked the President, and as a citizen of this country I don’t have the right to do so, unless the President happens to be a Conservative.

    I’m not going to waste my time looking up old GP articles prove you said what you said.  If your memory is so bad that you can’t remember what you say from week to week, maybe you should go to the doctor.  I suggest you do it before nationalized health care, because you’d be forced to wait six months for a tumor removal, so I doubt they’d get you a CT scan wthin a year.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  28. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    I’m calling BS on you here, because this is the exact same thing I said before and you jumped all over me for being a neocon douchebag.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  29. 0
    MrAnderson says:

    Until our society blends completely with out cultural difference nor regional, someone who can speak to one of these subsets of humanity must speak directly to them.  Especially when that group to everyone’s knowledge appears to be doing poorly by the standards of present day.  

    We are aware that the white populous is not granted this freedown since it is considered inappropriate. Moreover, freedom of speech protects everyone’s rights, but you have to still work with in the societal unwritten rules if you want to be heard by a significant number of people.  Thus, the days when Blacks, Chinese, Hispanic, and other non-White Americans don’t need to address their own groups is not yet at end.  So, Obama addresses the black community, whom still require guidance from a role model or someone who has earned their respect. 

    It’s not an attack on Microsoft nor the gaming community espcially if you do not take it out of context of his speech.  To do so IMHO is just new buzz and free plublicity, or even very sensative people that would rather stress themselves out than get the true intent.  If this had been the 80’s he might have said, ‘put down the G.I. Joes or that He-Man.’  His use of Xbox in general can be attributed to it being the most popular of hardcore platforms.  It is also, most known for adult content.  It’s debatable, but the language people use on the voice chat, and it having the largest most cohesive and successful online community out of all the consoles speaks for itself in regard to it being something parents should supervise attention.

    Again, people will blow it out of proportion and the real message will have less impact if we let it.  It is simple: Parents take responsibility.  Provide structure and enforce rules, which will allow your children do well in school and life in general.  Xbox and the other gaming platforms are the modern road block to children doing their homework and sleeping enough (heck even getting enough exercise.)  Children are most often not able to stop playing with their toys so it has always been up to the parents to resolve this by placing limits on various activities.  Obama is saying no less; his words were not strong, they were spoken in terms that everyone understands.

  30. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Obsessive much? I know you have the biggest persecution complex on this site since JT himself, but for the record, the only time I "attack you personally", a.k.a. call you out on your BS statements, rhetoric, and your overall bitter and hateful tone towards the other side of the political spectrum, has been when you’ve said something stupid and refused to back it up, said something stupid to make you look superior to other people here, projected your opinions as facts (like the reasons I state you aren’t a Marine), and been overall hateful and bitter to the other side of the politcal spectrum. The fact that you’ve gone on to someone else’s unrelated comment to whine about that shows you’re more than happy to dish crap out, but can’t take it in the slightest.

    Our little armchair-general here claims my sole reason I don’t believe he’s a Marine is because he isn’t 100% loyal to Obama – I would absolutely love it if he could actually quote me where I said that, since he can’t, but I doubt he’d so much as try, given his refusal to ever back up something he’s claimed, regardless of who or how many ask him to. Nevermind the fact that I’ve said close to half a dozen times now its his lack of honor and decorum, his behavior and conduct towards people who aren’t lockstep with him, and his lack of integrity in so much as he refuses to cite anything he claims, those apparantly have nothing to do with it according to him. Not to mention, how many Marines possess a persecution complex and whine as much as he does? How many threaten people for not believing them to boot?

    Going on, Sgt. Sensitive says he is guaranteed the right to speak due to the Constitution. This is correct. However, where he fails is with the addition of his little sig quote, where he says you are free to "say anything, provided its the truth". You can see that failure in his constant negative accusations towards his sitting president, the media, people he perceives as liberals, people who disagree with him, etc, etc, etc. You would think someone who leaves that at the end of every post would, oh, I don’t know, practice what he preaches, but given that he thinks he’s exempt from proving what he says, I suppose its not too far off to say he thinks he’s exempt from following that as well.

    I really don’t have a problem when people disagree with the president; as such, I don’t have any issue with Zerodash’s comment, especially as he didn’t go out of his way to ba a jackass about it. At all. That being said, I also have no problem with going after the people doing so in the most bitter and partisan way they can, often times reciprocating their own attitude, like with our friend the chickenhawk. I mean really, with this being the internet and all, you’d think someone who claims to be a Marine would actually be able to handle stuff like this without coming off as a crybaby. Then again, its also very easy to lie via the cover of anonymity too, go figure.

  31. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    No, I agree with you.  I’m just pointing out the thought process behind current legal precedent.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  32. 0
    ZippyDSMlee says:

    The problem is(and I know I am posting out of order but bear with me) pedophilia is no longer defined as ckildern, once it became tacted onto teens it throws the whole deffnistion out of balance making things worse IMO.

    Minor sex needs to be balanced out in the law as somthing thats not zero tolerance, becuse like muder its not an absolute.

     

    If you want to disscuss this futher come to teh forums.


    I am a criminal because I purchase media,I am a criminal because I use media, I am a criminal because I chose to own media..We shall remain criminals until Corporate stay’s outside our bedrooms..


    http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com

  33. 0
    ZippyDSMlee says:

    Critical thinking is not soemthing humanity dose well, and yes I put it out to force people to think, that is the essance of my long winded posting, I might suck as a writer in any sense of the trem. But I would at elast hope that soem of the crap I say forces soem to rethink thier opinoins some.


    I am a criminal because I purchase media,I am a criminal because I use media, I am a criminal because I chose to own media..We shall remain criminals until Corporate stay’s outside our bedrooms..


    http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com

  34. 0
    ZippyDSMlee says:

    GP

    My bad the long sig totally threw me off. BTW When did we get long sigs? 0_o

     


    I am a criminal because I purchase media,I am a criminal because I use media, I am a criminal because I chose to own media..We shall remain criminals until Corporate stay’s outside our bedrooms..


    http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com

  35. 0
    Quarantine says:

    Biased article. Go figure

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    "Because this town is under the stranglehold of a few tight eyed Tree Huggers who would rather play Hacky Sack than lock up the homeless" — Birch Barlow

  36. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    I can’t wait to see what Mr.Pat has to say about this.  I’ve been saying this since I came onto GP, and he’s done nothing but attack me personally, telling me and anyone who’ll listen that I can’t be a Marine who grew up in the ghetto from a broken family.  And his logic behind this thought?  If I was a Marine, I’d blindly agree with every policy made by the President, no matter how outlandish.

    I wonder if he see’s the irony of that statement anyway.  Let’s say I did blindly agree with Obama.  You wanna bet he’d have a problem with me blindly agreeing with Bush under his Presidency?  He claims I do, even though I’ve been pretty consistent on issues he’s messed up.

    I may be a Marine, but that doesn’t mean I’m required to follow anyone blindly.  I’m supposed to follow the spirit of the order.  However, my primary job is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.  Last time I checked, that document GUARANTEES me the right to speak my mind.  As such, it is my right to disagree with the policies the President puts into place, so long as none of those policies affect my ability to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.  Disagreeing with his stimulus bill, with a health care program we can’t afford, with letting terrorists free in America (especially after risking my life to put them in prison) does not make me a criminal.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  37. 0
    Zerodash says:

    Isn’t is odd how this president urges people to try and better themselves through their own work and dedication, and yet is reforming this country into one where everyone gets the same outcome, regardless of how much effort you give?  What’s the point in trying to succeed when the fruit of your efforts get redistributed to those who couldn’t be bothered?

    As for the videogame comments he makes, I think it has more to playing off the still-existing stereotype that gaming is for losers.  There is no veiled agenda to these comments- it’s just semantics.

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    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    My last thought:

    Obama didn´t tackle videogames directly, or at least it wasn´t on pourpose. But, he will misrepresented by the anti-videogame morons (Jack, for example. By the way, I think he will complete believe that Obama is now his "strongest ally" or almost his soul mate in this "cultural war").

    The public, by other hand, the only messages they are getting from Obama is "gamez are evilz" and "Xbox must be bad for children". I know it wasn´t Obama´s intention, but that is the only thing he will get repeating "Put away that Xbox" over and over and over again.

    Parents are getting this from Obama: "Come on, guys, I know is not your fault you don´t care about you children when they are in home, but if you put away that damn Xbox, things will be fine. Your children even will want to be astronauts. And we need children to fix all the crap we made when they grown up, OK? Bye".

    Sorry again if I´m making someone to be angry, but to be a parent is more hard than just to send your children to go to bed at 8 o´clock or taking away the Xbox.

     

     

    The cynical side of videogames (spanish only): http://thelostlevel.blogspot.com/ My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship): http://www.darkknightstrikes.deviantart.com/

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    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    My last thought:

    Obama didn´t tackle videogames directly, or at least it wasn´t on pourpose. But, he will misrepresented by the anti-videogame morons (Jack, for example. By the way, I think he will complete believe that Obama is now his "strongest ally" or almost his soul mate in this "cultural war").

    The public, by other hand, the only messages they are getting from Obama is "gamez are evilz" and "Xbox must be bad for children". I know it wasn´t Obama´s intention, but that is the only thing he will get repeating "Put away that Xbox" over and over and over again.

    Obama is saying to parents: "Come on, guys, I know is not your fault you don´t care about you children when they are in home, but if you put away that damn Xbox, things will be fine. Your children even will want to be astronauts. And we need children to fix all the crap we made when they grown up, OK? Bye".

    Sorry again if I´m making someone to be angry, but to be a parent is more hard than just to send your children to go to bed at 8 o´clock or taking away the Xbox.

     

     

    The cynical side of videogames (spanish only): http://thelostlevel.blogspot.com/ My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship): http://www.darkknightstrikes.deviantart.com/

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    gamepolitics says:

    Don’t forget that he offered praise for RE-mission last week (LINK), a game to help kids with cancer. So, not all of his comments on games are in a somewhat negative vein.


  41. 0
    gamepolitics says:

    While he was addressing the NAACP in this case, it’s important to remember that Pres. Obama has made similar comments on numerous occasions, and not always to African-American groups.

     


  42. 0
    gamepolitics says:

    cpu64 – what’s the point of Obama’s Islamic background? Please leave religious references out of future posts unless there is relevance to the topic under discussion.


  43. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Because pedophilia is a crime, just like murder.  Also, in cases where a fourteen-year-old is having sex with an older person, they aren’t charged with anything because it isn’t they who broke the law.

    As far as the murder cases go, it’s not like every teenager who kills somebody gets the chair.  It’s the ones where there’s no way anyone thinking like a child would have done it.  Murder cases hinge on "mindset."  If you felt threatened, it was self defense, even if the guy was sleeping face down and you had the only weapon in the house.  You felt uncontrollable rage, it’s murder 1 and you’re an adult, no matter how old you are, because children aren’t supposed to know rage.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  44. 0
    TJLK says:

    Because the ability to spell is obviously a requirement for having a reasonable opinion ‘about politics’.

    If you’re going to try to put requirements on how people should type before their opinion on a blog’s comment section is valid maybe you should consider where your head is located and think about relocating it.

    If you’re going to be picky though… you should have typed it like this.

    "If you can’t spell Engineers, by the way, you shouldn’t be talking about politics. It may not be your first language but a simple spell check might help."

    You’re missing a comma, a simple proof read might help.

    I like the rest of your comment though.  It is well thought out and well put.  But lets not stick our nose in the air too high because someone misspelled a word, made a mistake in their sentence structure or simply made a typo… on a blog’s comment section.

  45. 0
    TJLK says:
    I’ve already went on a huge rant in the last Obama article, so I’m not going to type another 9 page(literally) rant.
     
    I will restate that I believe he is saying these things for a reason.

    I think what we need to be aware of is public opinion.  He continuously puts down video games as something to avoid, even though games are tools for education. (See Will Wright’s Statement, just go to the home page and scroll down a bit. He put it perfectly in the last quoted paragraph).

     
    When the public hears a president they seem to love continuously say something is bad for children then it is going to be that much easier to convince a great number of things.  1.) That video games aren’t bad for society, 2.) Video games aren’t only for 12 year old boys. and 3.) The Industry should regulate itself.

    Because of Obama’ frequently putting down video games in his speaches, organizations are going to have that much of a harder time defending video games in the public realm.  When regulation laws pop up, and they always do, the public will have "kids should put the xbox away" in the back of their mind.

    This might not be what Obama is trying to say but I do believe that is how the general public hears this message.  Public opinions matter to organizations such as the ECA, EMA and IGDA.  We have to be aware of what is to come and how the public’s opinions can change.  If we don’t realize that public opinions actually matter then we’re all going to be in a sticky situation before we know it.

    The president shouldn’t be involved in parenting america.  I see it as disgusting.  Parents shouldn’t be getting parenting advice from their government.  Am I the only person that sees this as INSANE?  Are people going to their government for everything?  I just don’t see the role the government has in raising everyone’s children.  But we should get used to it, because it isn’t going to stop.  Though people seem to be less insulted when Obama does it for some reason.

     

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    vellocet says:

    It surprising that television seems to be left out of the equation all of a sudden.  The speeches used to involve not just videogames.

    Television is a much larger problem.  I know many many people who just plop themselves down in front of the tube and waste hours of their lives (I am often one of them).  With games, at least you’re accomplishing goals.  And merely exercising the set goal/acheivement  skillset puts it way above passively sitting and watching.

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    Hodgekin says:


    I think you guys are getting way off topic here.

    1) He used Xbox in a very general term for entertainment. There is no denying that video games are the most prevalent form of entertainment for the younger generation.

    2) He references African-American parents in the first sentence; because that is the crowd he was talking to. But the language applies to all parents.

    3) You can complain all you want about racism here, but studies (If you want I can send you link) have shown that the environment we grow up in does affect our standard of living later in life. There are poor White people and they grow up in ghettos. They obviously have the same level of education as an African-American growing up in the ghettos. Similarly there are African-American children who grow up in suburbs and they have excellent education. I don’t agree with affirmative action when it’s based on race, but based on income levels and environment it would make sense.

    4) 90% of Black voters vote Democrat and the split among the White vote is pretty much 50/50. There was an additional 5% in favor of him, but that to be expected. When Kennedy ran in 1960 he received a significant amount of the Catholic (since he was Catholic) vote who normally vote Republican. People vote along racial and religious lines all the time.

    And finally,

    Can we just ignore his race and his religion? John F. Kennedy, in 1960, told people to vote for him based on his politics and not based on his religion. If people in the 60’s thought like that, maybe we should too. Judge the President based on his policies, not on the color of his skin. Remember that we all love video games and they are an amazing new form of art, however kids need boundaries. Whether that is video games or any other activities is irrelevant.

    If you can’t spell Engineers by the way, you shouldn’t be talking about politics. It may not be your first language but a simple spell check might help.

  48. 0
    cpu64 says:

    This idiot is still running his mouth on videogames?

    Just because he didn’t have any games when he was a little muslim boy, doesn’t give him the right to tell me jack spit about putting the xbox away.

    That idiot advertised during his campaign in videogames. What a waste of pregnancy he is.

  49. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    Totally 100% agree with the last part of your sig. If a 14 year old can get a life sentence for killing a person, why can’t they responsibly have sex with someone that they willingly want to?

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

  50. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    By race, no. "African" is not a race, because Egyptians, while African, were not negro. but you are right as far as nationality goes. Still, the 95% of blacks that voted for him are almost entirely American, not African-American. They voted for him BECAUSE he was half negro, which is incredibly racist.

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

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    Mattsworkname says:

    While im not a big fan of obamas political ideals or policies, i’ve never had any issue with the man personally. He’s fairly likable and charismatic. A good speaker most of the time, and seems to think he’s doing the right thing. I may disagree with his policies, but I normally can’t fault the man personally.

    This is a different matter. It’s noble to want to encourage children to aim high and work hard. Thats an admirable thing. It’s wrong however to be using games as a "BoogyMan" of sorts. THe game industry now makes more money on average then the Movie industry. Many of those currently in the industry were drawn there by games themselves.

    Maybe instead of putting the blame for underachivment on Xboxs, he should focus his attention on the real problems.

    Bad parenting.

    Bad public schools.

    The culture of victium hood that his party and previous democratic presidents, not to mention some republicans, have fostered in minorities.

    It’s typical of a politician. Blame anything but the government, yourself, or your party for the issues you have caused.

     

    Yukimura is still here. "When he’s at his best, he’s little less then a man, and when he’s at his worst, he’s little more then a beast." W.S

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    F__ked up says:

    I hope you know your responding to my signature.

    And thank you for doing what I hope, which is to start people to think critically.


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

  53. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    The only industry where you’d be able to spend enough money to truly stimulate the economy is the national defense budget, but Dems don’t want to fight.  They think that we shouldn’t have a military, and any time a military man or woman shoots somebody, congressional hearings have to be had in order to make sure that the person who shot that military person was ACTUALLY the enemy.  Iraq and Afghanistan could have been over years ago if the miltary was not hogtied by Congress and actually allowed to fight.  As far as the stimulus package goes, it would only have been effective if that money went into industrial complexes and to small businesses.  Instead, it went to state health care and unemployment.  States are using the money to fix their own budgets instead of investing it into programs.

    Maybe Obama should have thought that might happen BEFORE agreeing to it.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    ZippyDSMlee says:

    The analogy  for pedophiles is right on the head.

    Murder is not an absolute(and I am still trying to get my head around how rape can not be an absolute), ergo its not always done in cold blood, one of the most important things about abortion is they treat the unborn as a separate life when it is merely an extension of the mother, if the mother dose not want it it treuly is like cutting youer hair,ect, yes there is a ton of personal baggage that goes with it, but tis personal not something society should dictate on whims. IMO its not that contradictory to say the individual can have an abortion but if that individual is killed the one who killed them may be held respounceable for 2 deaths and not one, the diffrance the unborn is wanted and thus respected as a separate life. IMO abortion is a personal right that just not be easily tread upon,there needs be no ryme or reason just a reasonable level of respounceability to the proseiger  to me tis up their with you own your property and no one should have the right to make you move or sale unwillingly, unless of coarse the owner is given a cut of all profits made off that property, 10% to the owner every time its sold or whatever it brings in should be fair compensation, this would mean industry and government would be forced to share millions with the common land owner.

    Don’t forget if a minor takes nude pictures of them selfs its like they are not pedos……
    Minors are treated like children until their behavior crosses an unreasonable line then adults go apesht because logic and reason are to annoying to be upheld…..

    We really need a baseline top down mandate, consensual sex starts at 16, statutory rape at 13(with the way hormones in beef and milk age teens it might have to be 12) Rape at anything below that and automatic labeling of sex offender for 2 years if there is no sign of them being a repete offender.

    People make mistakes its not worth branding the many as sub human to protect a few who make mistakes as well, the balance needs to allow people to make mistakes without branding them, unless their is true villainy involved.

    AS far as child porn/pedophilia is concerned I think we are focusing on the wrong things, distribution is the least worrisome link in the chain producers are the ones that need to be treated as felons of the highest level, yes death penalty and life imprisonment for cases that involve the production of child pron, minors involved should get a pass but not a super clean record depending on circumstance, victims of course should be treated with care and protected as much as possible while adults involved get the absolute maxiaim. Back to distribution, I do not think owning/recivieing/sharing it as much of a problem selling should be equatable with producing it, so you can say that clubs that trade it may well be trading money if thats the case then they are in essence producing it.  This way you hamper it greatly without harming the rights of the masses, as for pictures of the victim being destroyed,removed,ect I think like copy right tis a lost cause where both the individual  and government has any real teeth to make it disappear, I can;t help but think having a non profit group as a IP repersentive of the victims would have more bite but perhaps I am over thinking it.

    Of course it will never happen as people are too illogical and it will only hit them when parents who have pictures of their kids are labeled as sex offenders, which we see rare cases of these days and it will only get worse as they try to make it an absolute….

     


    I am a criminal because I purchase media,I am a criminal because I use media, I am a criminal because I chose to own media..We shall remain criminals until Corporate stay’s outside our bedrooms..


    http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com

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    Doomsong says:

    Putting away the tendency to sell oneself as a slave to the media and political hype could be beneficial too… but if that happened he’d never get re-elected… nor would any other politician.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" – Benjamin Franklin

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    nightwng2000 says:

    Again, you twist meaning and send off large amounts of smoke screens.  Really, I wonder if I can sue for harm done to me by all the 2nd hand smoke inhalation from all the smoke screens.

    You AND Mr. Obama both equate grades, a formula system not actually representative of knowledge but of performance, to knowledge and general competency.

    The point to my statement about doing ANYTHING other than the prescribed work is the point that grades are based on performing the tasks, not knowledge of the task.

    Nor does one have to be a genius in any field to understand the work presented.  Depending on the individual, they may avoid the work because of it being very difficult or only slightly more difficult and being embarrased to admit such.  Or, they may be familiar with the specific work presented to them and not consider the work of interest or value.  They don’t have to understand the presented work plus 2 or 3 grade levels higher.  They may merely have grasped the information quicker and consider the work to be of no value to them, not realizing that just doing the work is of some value to the school and others. 

    Nor at any point did I imply that playing a video game, let alone watching a TV show, reading Science Fiction, keeping up with the celebs in a Teen magazine, or reading the Bible religiously day in and day out would improve or even support skills and information being taught in the school.

    Cutting out hobbies and interests and require kids to do nothing but school work (including cutting out any number of leisure time things that YOU may find enjoyable because, after all, it doesn’t teach them anything other than to enjoy themselves) creates a stressful environment which ALSO leads to failing grades, as well as a number of other personality problems.

    After all, Mr. Obama put down rappers as being less than worthy goals.  So, let’s elimiate all forms of arts within the schools.  Let’s also eliminate all forms of sports (not to be confused with eliminating PE classes as they may promote a somewhat healthy exercise program) because, after all, being in sports, especially professional sports, is no where near the value that being a scientist or doctor is.  Don’t forget to eliminate all extracurricular activities as well.  They provide nothing of value that will help them become valued members of the hard working society.

    No, I’m not exaggerating or going over the top.  You can’t eliminate and condemn one activity without eliminating and condemning a great many others.  He’s already talked down at people over their race.  He’s talked down to people over their own personal choices for leisure time interests.  He’s already talked down to people over their value in the social scale such as their financial class.  He’s screwed himself and now he has to live with the results.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

    Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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    Ganjookie says:

    Well Nightwng2000 I never said it would cause IQ or intelligence to drop. I merely stated that playing to many games as a kid can hurt your grades. As you stated “Doing ANYTHING other than prescribed school work will, logically, hurt your grades”.

    IMO it does not matter whether the child is interested in the subject or not. Not spending time studying the subject and doing the homework given by the teachers, will of course lower the child’s grade. Unless the student is a genius of sorts, can does not need to do the prescribed homework, but I do not think Obama is speaking about those kids.

    If somehow, playing Madden, GTA, CoD, or numerous other popular games, “might allow the student to perform better in the formula rating that are grades” then sign me up!

    Getting parents to help with their kids schooling, and lives in general is one of the best things that could happen to this country.

    Trevor Gray

    ganjookie@yahoo.com

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    F__ked up says:

    Its a good way to beat them to the prank. pull my pants down? my pants are already down.

    so whats the prank now? pull my pants up?


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

  59. 0
    1AgainstTheWorld says:

    And tell the kids to pull their damn pants up.  God.  When did it become cool for everybody to be able to see your London and France?  When I was a kid, anybody showing up dressed like that would’ve gotten everything pulled down on ’em.

    God I sound old…  Think I’ll go play my 2600.

  60. 0
    Bennett Beeny says:

    I think you’re confusing nationality with race.

    Obama is as African-American as you can get.  His father was African and his mother was American.  In terms of race AND nationality he’s African American.

  61. 0
    Bennett Beeny says:

    Not that I voted for any of those arseholes, but if I had been allowed to vote, I’d rather have some people think I was racist or sexist than vote for McCain and have everyone know I was a complete nutter.

  62. 0
    ZippyDSMlee says:

    I’d rahter have him say put away the rap music and ganster life style…..

     


    I am a criminal because I purchase media,I am a criminal because I use media, I am a criminal because I chose to own media..We shall remain criminals until Corporate stay’s outside our bedrooms..


    http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com

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    Neo_DrKefka says:

    Last Election there was not much to choose from. With Clinton, Obama and McCain whoever won a Democrat would come out victorious. McCain is not popular as a conservative why people thought he could win, I don’t understand why people decided to go ahead and support McCain in the first place.

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    PHX Corp says:

    I think it was a very wierd article today but, Microsoft commented today over Obama’s stupid move

    “We agree with President Obama that it’s a time for families to work together so that kids use media in ways that are safe, healthy and balanced,” a Microsoft spokesman said in response. “Xbox 360 is the only console gaming system that has a timer feature allowing parents to set time limits for their kids, as well as parent controls to enable parents to set limits on what their kids are playing and watching.”

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

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    jedidethfreak says:

    I thought it was funny when it was down to Obama and Clinton in the primaries, because if you voted Obama you were sexist and if you voted Clinton you were racist.  All of this from the political party in America claiming they were "tolerant."

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  66. 0
    F__ked up says:

    And conservatives wonder why they viewed as being "so fucking stupid that using the word retard to describe them would be an insult to retards inbred piles of shit" 


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

  67. 0
    PHX Corp says:

    I already know that Obama is Half black(non-hispanic) and half white to begin with, I was just waiting for someone to point that out

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

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    chadachada321 says:

    Can we just get this out of the way: Obama is not black. He is half black. Half negro. He is not African-American either, because he does not come directly from Africa (like how I don’t call myself a Polish-American just because my ancestors are from Poland).

    Regardless of his race anyways, it is 100% irrelevant to his presidency and how competent he is as a president. However, I saw much more pro-Obama racism than anti-Obama racism during his election. When 95% of blacks and less than 50% of whites vote for Obama, I see a large amount of serious racism here. This is an issue that is touchy at best and suicidal at worst, because it’s not easy to tell the black community to quit being racist.

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

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    Neo_DrKefka says:

     

    Obama is going to have a public speech today on all TV Channels. Basically Moderate Democrats are refusing to back him or Pelosi. So he must get on TV to make a point

    He is asking the Democratic Majority to continue to commit political suicide by screwing up the economy and not reading bills and passing legislation that would never see the light of day. With all Levels of Government admitted the stimulus failed and we as the United States are going into bankruptcy ourselves we need the 2010 elections to come sooner.

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    GoodRobotUs says:

    I don’t think it’s so much a matter of anti-game bias, as overplaying a hot-button issue.

    Ten years ago, he would have been saying TV.

    I find that fact more interesting in a way, that if you wound back time ten years, the hardware would change, the President would change, even the political orientation of the Whitehouse would change, but the rhetoric really wouldn’t.

  71. 0
    Charax says:

    "Put away the XBox…except when my campaign ads are running on it, then you go right ahead and keep on gaming"

    The exact same message of parental responsibility and not letting kids stay up all night would have been achieved by simply replacing "Xbox" with "TV", but the fact he chose not to go that route just continues to show up his anti-gaming bias. which is just sad really. I don’t think his singling out of the Xbox Vs any other game system is the issue here, it’s more his constant equating of gaming with laziness, far more so than any other medium.

  72. 0
    Sukasa says:

    Funny I think I hear conservatives/repubicans saying Obama is lord and savior more then non repubs/conservatives but thats just me. However, don’t assume I am a fan of Obama, I didn’t vote for either Obama or McCain. Anyway whats wrong with the stimulas plans(sure some have been sloppy)? Its bascially what the US did to get out of the great depression by stimulating World War 2 (all that huge defense spending stimulated the economy). Why can’t we stimulate the economy, but skip the world war this time? Then again, these arguments come from the same people who don’t want the gov’t to run a lemonade stand and yet trust it to run a war.

  73. 0
    Neo_DrKefka says:

    People no he is your lord and savior, people are questioning the one! I know his polling numbers are dropping Jimmy Carter style but come on! Let us support the Messiah in his showing off his Community Organizing!

    I mean, yeah he spent more then any other President but he can’t be worse then that Door to Door Bible Salesmen or Peanut farmer Jimmy Carter, can he?

     

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    Sukasa says:

    Maybe it just me but I would much rather Obama (or any politican) to say "Hey…taking a break from the Xbox (or other game system) is good to do" then going to the worse step and starting to ban certain types of games, and adding regulations.

  75. 0
    nightwng2000 says:

    Actually, he doesn’t.  In fact, neither he nor you have any factual evidence to provide that merely playing video games cause lower grades, let alone lower intelligence.

    Doing ANYTHING other than prescribed school work will, logically, hurt your grades as not doing the schoolwork means that a value added to a formula to result in a grade for a class is missing.  It does NOT, however, directly result in a lower intelligence in any particular subject matter OR prove evidence that, had the student DONE the schoolwork, they would have been more capable of specializing in any particular subject matter.  Not all individuals have the same interests in subject matters and, as such, may not be able to receive the same level of competency in that subject matter that a student who DOES have an interest in that subject matter may have.

    It is misleading to imply that the fault of a lower grade is because of an interest in any other activity.  Putting effort into doing the schoolwork, in addition to putting effort into OTHER activities, might allow the student to perform better in the formula rating that are grades, but that will not absolutely mean that the student will be more or less competent in the subject matter that others students may be.

    It is more important for Parents to encourage:

    Diversity in interests.

    Moderation, which goes along with diversity.

    Putting an effort into doing assigned work, even if the subject matter is of little interest as the very act of merely putting an effort into an assigned job is the same as putting effort into other activities.  And building a habit of of performing assigned tasks which will follow into adulthood when the child becomes employed in any field.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

    Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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    Shoehorn Oplenty says:

    To be honest, I don’t find anything "anti games" about what he says here. I don’t think he is using an Xbox as a metaphor for underachievement, but just as a catch-all, cultrurally relevant example of what a lot of kids do instead of studying.

    He could have said "That means putting away the board games/switching off the cartoons/blowing the whistle on the court and putting our kids to bed at a reasonable hour." and put forward the same intentions. Saying Xbox doesn’t mean he thinks that video games are the solitary cause of academic underperformance. If he had said "We need to put away the hoop and stick" he would have been ridiculed as woefully out of touch with today’s youth.

    In my opinion, his speech was more against lazy, irresponsible parents who don’t actively encourage their kids to study than video games. He is not telling the parents "Don’t ever let your kids play an xbox or they’ll end up dumb.". He is saying that you have to stand up and set limits for your kids in order to help and support them with their education.

    If even one parent takes this advice to heart and sets reasonable limits on gameplay for their child, and that child goes on to a good education, this speech has been a success.

  77. 0
    Ganjookie says:

    Hmmm playing too many video games while in school can cause lower grades..AGREE.  OBAMA has it correct ladies and gents.  He is telling parents to be parents and help kids, rather then ignore them and allow them to be raised by the TV/Game machine.

    If you are upset that he is saying video games cause underachievment; you may wish to rethink your life style, and get a job.

    "Your revolution is over, Mr. Lebowski. Condolences. The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? " – The Big Lebowski

    Trevor Gray ganjookie@yahoo.com

  78. 0
    nightwng2000 says:

    "That means putting away the Xbox and putting our kids to bed at a reasonable hour."

    This combination with the AND in it implies that a limit on play time should be set.  It would similarly exist if he said "That means putting away the Xbox and get our kids to do their homework".  It doesn’t immediately state two seperate exclusive ideas of "putting the xbox away" alone, implying never play it at all and "going to bed at a reasonable hour.  It reads far closer to a combined thought.

    That being said, I recognized his racist attitudes before he was voted in and now, more and more, he’s showing a racist view.

    This nonsense about "cultural differences" being brought up is also more bullpucky.

    1.  ANYONE, regardless of race, gender, sexuality, religion (or lack thereof), or other grouping can be poor, reasonably well off, or rich.  ANYONE can live in a terrible neighborhood or an affluent one, barring the intentional segregationist attitudes of those already in the neighborhood, and YES, it CAN come from ANY group.  ANYONE can be in gangs or be popular or infamous.  This bullpucky about segregating and claiming that it’s worse when it’s one subcatagory within a group (a specific race, a specific gender, etc) is just garbage.  You DON’T solve the problem by segregating out select subcatagories of individuals and claiming you should only help THAT subcatagory rather than EVERYONE who is affected by the problem.  Even if you solved it for one subcatagory, the problem STILL exists. 

    2.  This garbage about striving to be better than someone else, especially in the manner in which it is constantly delivered, is just as bigotted?  Everyone should strive to be the bast.  But the bast at what they, the individual, are capable of.  Not what someone else preceives is a better ability over all other abilities.  If your strengths lie in being an artist, how is that being something less than being a scientist or doctor?  If your strengths are in your physical capabilities, how is doing ANY form of manual labor being less than being a highly respected business owner?  Whether it’s striving to be the best at entertaining others through competition (professional sports), or entertaining others in general (musician, painter, writer of books), You should NOT have to suffer the disrespect of others whose efforts are put into other areas.  Moreover, there are MANY jobs where individuals treat, or are treated, in a negative manner because of the nature of the job being stereotypically viewed as negative by society.  Yet, those very individuals who look down on those positions make use of such workers as if they couldn’t do the jobs themselves.  Maybe Mr. Obama just isn’t competent enough to be a garbage man… excuse me, SANITATION WORKER… or a fast food business employee, or a waiter at a restaurant or able to drive his own vehicle, or hundreds of other jobs that many DO excel at which HE apparently did not strive to excel at himself.  Maybe HE isn’t as good as THEM after all.  Certainly, many of us don’t choose those paths, but look down on those individuals who do?  Bite me you bigotted piece of guttertrash.  THEY are far more important to my day to day life than YOU ever will be.

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  79. 0
    F__ked up says:

    I also would love to see proof to back up your claims. Every time I read your post they sound like a child telling a story.

    "The Fish was this big and it was hidding in a magical place where big fish grow"


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

  80. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Sorry, that doesn’t fly around here. Your fellow conservatives refused to allow Letterman to use that for his comments, so you don’t get to use it either.

     

    Try again, sparky.

  81. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    "Only your interpretation of the things you say is correct."  There.  I fixed that.  I know what I said.  Just because you took it waaaay out to left field isn’t an excuse to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  82. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Thanks for proving that you think only your interpretation of things is the correct one, and further extending your persecution complex to boot. You really make this too easy.

  83. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    It does pretty much say it all, but I’ll dumb it down for you:  I attacked the Media.  You twist that into an attack on the Media, the President and anything else you hold dear.  You then attack me for being sensational.  And then you call me pathetic for calling you out on it.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  84. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Conspiracy theory much?

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  85. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Because when you think/take that, and couple it in with your statement that the media is enraptured with the man, its on par with saying he gets a free pass from them on what he says. If that were the case, then whats stopping them from giving him a free pass on anything else he says, or even does? It insults the credibility of both the media and the president – the media is insulted for saying they have a lack of credibility, and the president gets insulted by insinuating he doesn’t even need to have any credibility because he just gets a free pass. We know you don’t have a problem with having no credibility at all, but some people actually happen to value that aspect.

  86. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Well, you may do what you say you do, but you still haven’t answered my question: how is saying that newspapers would treat a white person who said what he said different than they treated the President an attack on the President?  Now, here’s a chance to prove that you do what you say you do and back up what you say.  You know, since you haven’t done that yet.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  87. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    I think I’d rather wait for you to begin being objective before I take any advice you make. 

    I’d also say it would take more than "a little re-wording to fit that towards myself, as I’ll cite my sources when asked to, I don’t act like a victim, and I haven’t made any lies about my life to try and prove a point.

    So do you pass blame onto other all the time too, or is that just another facet of your persecution complex coming to air itself?

  88. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Okay, now you’re really being childish.  Maybe you should actually take the time to read what I’ve said and what you’ve said.  If you do so, in a way that’s actually objective, you’ll find that any and all namecalling between us was started by you.  The post you made about me could be reworded with very little effort to describe you in a nutshell.

    You know what they say, Don’t throw stones in a glass house.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  89. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Ok people, you heard it here, only jedidethfreak’s interpretation of things are correct, and everyone else’s are automatically wrong. If you don’t see things exactly as he does, then you’re just a stupid liberal out to make America worse, regardless of your voting record or positions. You’re also required to prove every statement he makes, because actually citing his BS is beneath him and he should be exempt from it, despite his total lack of credibility whatsoever. He’s also not the least bit hateful towards anyone he disagrees with, never calls anyone names, and is constantly a victim here on the site, because "Marines" like him are incapable of being criticized or told they’re wrong without having a total meltdown.

    In short, don’t question the precious snowflake; he’s sensitive.

  90. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Look, I made a comment about PC in government and the media.  If you want to take that as an insult to the President, go right ahead.  The only person left looking stupid is you, as apparently you have no grasp of the english language, or no ability to take what somebody says at face value.  Either way, I’ll just sit here and laugh.

    And I really like the last part of your post.  "I’ll stop acting childish when you do what I want, whether it’s right or not."  Really cute.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  91. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    Back to the projecting again I see. Its really a shame you can’t come up with something actually effective as an arguement. I never realized giving the new guy the same window of opportunity of the last guy was equivalent to adoring him. And then the ad-hominems come back too; all we need is your usual victim card and he have the full trifecta!

    Apparantly going out of your way to say that a politician has the media in his pocket isn’t an insult to all parties involved now anymore either, just the way you see it and nothing more.

    Oh, and that get a life schpeel is just classic, btw. I might actually take it into consideration when you stop lying about yours, Mr. Phony Soldier.

  92. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    How am I attacking the President?  I said nothing about him in any negative light.  I was attacking the NEWSPAPERS, pointing out the double standard that they are representing.  You are so blinded by your adoration for our President that if ANYONE dare say ANYTHING involving him not in an absolute manner of idolation they have to be an idiot.

    Get a fucking life.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  93. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    You can call it whatever you want, its still a thinly veiled attack on the man, par for the course really considering your outright hatred of him.

    I’ve also got a little news for you, nothing I’ve said here to date is any more outlandish or wild than the crap that spews from your keyboard on a regular basis, the only difference is that I actually tend to back of what I say (we’re still waiting for all those citations from you on three subjects now), and I don’t play the victim card or threaten people when called out.

    And no, I don’t say you’re lying about your life because I disagree with you, I say it, and stand behind it, because:

    1) You behave nothing like a true Marine

    2) You have absolutely no credibility due to your outright refusal to cite everything you claim.

     

    You want to be taken seriously? Behave like the people you claim to be and backup your outlandish claims. Or continue to flaunt a persecution complex, I don’t really care either way.

  94. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    I think the worst example of such was the New Haven Fire Department.  17 white men and one Latino all told they couldn’t be promoted because no blacks scored high enough on a test about firefighting, all because the fire department THOUGHT they MIGHT get sued for discrimination by black people.  If our country and our legal system has come to this, we have a very serious problem, but it won’t be fixed because pointing it out will have you branded as racist.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  95. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Apparently, somebody didn’t actually read anything.  I didn’t say anything about Barrack Obama, I was attacking the newspapers that love him.

    How about you, before making some wild accusation that I’m not who I say I am because you don’t agree with me, you actually take the time to READ WHAT I WROTE and comment on what I ACTUALLY WROTE.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Baruch_S says:

    Racist! (sorry, couldn’t help myself )

    You’re right, of course. White people can be freely discriminated against, and you can pass them over for career or educational opportunities simply because the other candidate is a minority regardless of his qualifications. We call this injustice "equality." White people are also not allowed to point out such discrepencies between the concept of equality and its practice; doing so automatically makes white people racists.

    Remember, all people are created equal, but some are more equal than others.

  97. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    You’re really one to accuse anyone of lacking logic when you can’t even supply sources to anything you claim (we’re still waiting for your proof of gay people burning down churches, which you flat-out refused to provide btw).

    As for attacking your "argement", you don’t have one. All you do in every Obama thread is accuse him of being an evil, racist communist with nothing to backup your claims except for your buddies Hannity and Beck. When someone calls you out on it, you send ad-hominems their way, and if someone reciprocates, you act like a victim. Thats your aguments in a nutshell, and until you start citing and backing up your outlandish claims and stop lying about your own life, thats all they ever will be.

    If you really want to be taken seriously for once, you can start by backing up and providing sources for your claims on the defense budget and, in reality, your petty and bitter claim that democrats don’t want an army whatsoever.

     

    Of course you won’t though; you’ll just refuse to back them up, make some BS excuses, and play the victim card, just like you always do. Typical of a phony-soldier though.

  98. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    I’m glad SOMEBODY actually used logic in interpreting what I posted, instead of putting it thru the lens of racism.  "White people just don’t know what it’s like being poor."

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

  99. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    And I’ll put your post in the box of "Can’t fight with logic so I’ll just attack him personally."  Thus far, I think that’s where all of your posts have gone.

    If you want to fight me with words, how about using words that actually attack me?  I am gathering that logic may not be your strong suit, but come on!  If you have an opinion about the argument I’m making in my post, feel free to point it out.  Making personal attacks on me, trying to deny me my own life experience just because you don’t like what I’ve said isn’t actually helping you voice your argument for or against the topic at hand.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Ratros says:

    Where I live it’s easier for a black person to get a well-paying job at many companies than it is for a white person.  This of course is not discrimination, but equality.  The fact that blacks are being held above whites at certain places is okay, just as long as it’s not vice versa.

     

    *sigh*  Not to mention Hispanic (Mexican), Italian, poor, women, High School drop outs (my friend didn’t have a choice in the matter), and so on.

     

    He wouldn’t be saying this if he were white, because white people don’t have the same perceived disadvantages as the people that he’s talking to.  

     

    The thing he was saying is that a white person cannot get away with saying such things.  My own sister was afraid to say black as it is not politically correct.  I told her from now on to call me a German/Dutch/Indian-American.

    I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

  101. 0
    Mr.Pat says:

    "I’ve lived in the ghetto for most of my life.  My dad’s a drug dealer and my mom left when I was seven."

     

    Yeah, I’m going to put that alongside to your claims of being a Marine and having been waterboarded as complete bullshit.

  102. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    And you completely missed the point of MY first post, in that newspapers are fawning over Obama saying "Be better parents," as though this was some sort of heretofore unknown piece of wisdom, to a race of people that have, for years, resisted all similar comments from somebody who happens to be from another race.  By you reading such and saying I’m an idiot for saying that and defending the people who perpetuate such a farse, you prove yourself to be racist.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    vellocet says:

    Playing the "racist" card says more about you than it does about me.  I didn’t once say that you were being racist.

    Way to set up a strawman argument.  None of what you say that I say can be intelligently be deduced from my post.

    And if you read what I actually said, there ARE cultural differences, and they *may* be perceived as disadvantages.

    Anyhow, everything you write makes me lose brain cells.  I, sir, am judging you on your ability to form a coherent argument, not the colour of your skin or your upbringing.  Though it’s ironic that the real point (that parents need to be there to support their kids) is completely lost on you.

  104. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    So you believe that it’s racist for a white person to say that black people should be more responsible parents?  I, as a white person, would believe that to be good advise, regarless of the ethnicity of the giver.

    You, sir, believing that white people have no business giving this type of advice to black people "because white people don’t have the same perceived disadvantages," just prove that you’re as racist as what journalists would accuse a white president saying this of being.  You say you believe that the color of your skin is no excuse to slack off, but you also say that non-whites are the only people in America to suffer.  I’ve lived in the ghetto for most of my life.  My dad’s a drug dealer and my mom left when I was seven.  I haven’t seen or heard from her since.  I’d have to say that I can empathize with people from the ghetto, regardless of their ethnicity, so don’t tell me that white people have it good and don’t know suffering.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Phlopsy says:

    Once again, President Obama takes a massive steaming dump on the gaming community.

    Come on guys, it’s time to show this dude that we are a political force to be reckoned with and not a bunch of drooling apes who will continue to apologize for him.

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    Have you been to a poor urban district lately?  There’s not ‘lot’s and lot’s’ of decent people in Chicago.  There’s not ‘lot’s and lot’s’ of decent people in Over The Rhine or Price Hill in Cincinnati.  There’s a few decent people, and a large number of others who try to get by the same way that Madoff did; at the expense of others.

    By the way, glorifying, say, acts of violence against cops, violence, drug dealing, other illegal methods of getting things you want that whole ‘no snitching’ bullshit, etc, etc, doesn’t make the poor urban community any better off.  And pretending that doesn’t happen helps NO ONE.

    Hell, Obama even hit on one of the problems in his speech; poor parental involvement.  It doesn’t matter if you work two jobs, you can still find five minutes when you get home to check your child’s homework for completion.  It’s about time he get something right.

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    Trencher says:

    Thats also the community that Obama is trying to hit over the head with this speach. Its the kids in that area who are self destructive by having this mentality of "Gang, Rap or Bball career is the only way out of here". A boy who comes from a Rich or middle class black family will probally have enough commen sense to know to stay in school and try to be the best they can be.

     

     

  108. 0
    gamepolitics says:

    Austin, you’re pushing the boundaries with this one. There are numerous factors in the poor urban districts which contribute to crime and other social ills. There are lots & lots of decent people in those areas.


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    Austin_Lewis says:

    Let’s not forget the other elephant in the room; inner city black culture.  You know, the culture that frowns upon academic success, but looks favorably upon things like racism, homophobia, and common thuggery.  The culture that frowns upon an honest days work, but approves of drug dealing and stealing and welfare fraud.  Yeah, that’s a culture that’s destroying itself.

  110. 0
    Trencher says:

    How many black kids are still stuck in their shitty ass ghetto house because their rap career never took off and they figured they would drop out of school by age 13 because Bball or singing would net them cash and fame?

     

    I’d say more then the white kid who starts a band in highschool and realizes its not going to get him anywhere by the time he hits grade 12.

     

     

  111. 0
    Trencher says:

    Maybe because Obama might actually be right? Maybe kids should put away the Videogames once and awhile and study and get a proper nights sleep? How is that wrong? 

    I’m also wondering why GP keeps saying he’s comparing Xbox to underachiving. I dont see anywhere in that speach he compares the two. He’s using Videogames as a generalization of all types of Media…be it TV, Music whatever… Videogames are just the "IT" thing now and so thats the current generalization, it used to be TV, then it was Music and Comicbooks… things change over time.. Videogames is just the new broad generlization of what kids play with these days. And I completely agree that parents should limit the videogame playing and make their kids study to be whatever they want to be, but also let their children know that basketball players and rap artists are not the only careers a Black man can do in this world.

    I Think Obama is saying all the right things and doing what any white president couldnt do without being run outta office for being racist. He’s challenging the black community to better themselves.

     

     

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    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    How much kids are deluded? How many children forget about those things and go after more realistic goals?

    The problem are not pop stars or rappers. The problem is a broken educational system that doesn´t give a damn about children. I know is not in every school, but nobody can´t blame TV or games for that.

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  113. 0
    JustChris says:

    A lot of kids get deluded from idolizing superstars. While it’s fine to aspire to be like them, the delusion comes from the fact that most of these kids have their priorities fucked up. Rap stars get their flashy jewelry and nice cars AFTER becoming successful. Kids copy them by spending (or more likely financing) expensive rims to put on their old beaters while still holding McDonald’s jobs. Most don’t have the ability to pick themselves up to fit the industry they want to be… The work that goes into being famous doesn’t interest them- they just like the IDEA of being famous. They are confusing the goal with the means.

    Bill Cosby said the same things about raising kids countless times. But since it is the President that said it this time, it’s suddenly a suggestion for draconian laws?

    GameSnooper

  114. 0
    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    The only thing people will get from Obama is "pssst, blame this guy" and keep pointing a Xbox, and that´s is what I´m talking about.

    As somebody said some post ago (or futher), 10 years ago was TV to blame for everything, and now Obama is on the band-wagon of blaming games because parents don´t want to do their job and expect the goverment with a solution for everything.

    Because it´s easy. Games are the enemy, the real problem, not lazy-ass parents or a broken school system with teachers who don´t give a fuck about children.

    Different persons, different media, same retarded issue.

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  115. 0
    Brokenscope says:

    "Putting our kids to bed at a reasonable hour"

    Maybe I’m misinterpreting that statment, but it seems like he is telling parents to do their jobs right there.

    "Jack Thompson will still be here trolling the internet and mocking about death and violence."

    Well I’m just exstatic to finnally find out that Obama is at fault for the behavior of jack thompson. I am so glad that I now how a suitable target to aim my frustration with the behavior of jack thompson at. I mean I’ve just never gotten over him, I’ll be angry with him to my grave. I mean, I didn’t get over jack about the time he got disbarred, I have paid complete and total attention to him since then, but I don’t have to care about jack anymore because now I can blame Obama for Jack. Oh yeah, I’m finnally free cause I can blame Obama for everything that is wrong in this world. I mean people weren’t completely batshit about things before obama.

  116. 0
    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    Maybe, but his speech is still misleading, blaming a toy for parental incompetence, poverty and non-related social issues.

    People with an agenda will use his words as ammunittion to keep pushing anti-videogame legislation. And persons like Jack Thompson will still be here trolling the internet and mocking about death and violence.

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  117. 0
    Brokenscope says:

    Obama isn’t proposing a law, he isn’t signing a law, and he isn’t supporting a law. He isn’t screwing anybody, for the moment at least.

  118. 0
    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    Sorry if I made you anger, but I keep with my opinion. I know a rapper is not the most productive socially speaking, but there are worst things that singing rap. Politicians, for example.

    Rappers can give messages about glamorous life style, but politicians have the power to screw everybody, and they are supposed to serve the people, but instead, they serve their own interest.

    I would say to Obama to stop blaming Xbox for social problems. That´s the only message he is giving, and is misleading and a waste of time.

    School problems needs social improvement programs, not less Xbox.

     

    The cynical side of videogames (spanish only): http://thelostlevel.blogspot.com/ My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship): http://www.darkknightstrikes.deviantart.com/

  119. 0
    Brokenscope says:

    Do you have a clue as to why these kids want to be rappers and ballers in the first place?

    Big rappers tend to lead a glamorous life style that sits very well with the materialism that permeates American culture today.

    Everyone thinks that they are immune to the messages that the media pushes out, but none of us are.

    To me its just another version of what you would see in small coal mining towns in the Virginia’s back in the day. You are never going to leave this town with just a good education but you might make it out on a sports scholarship.

    Many of these kids internalize the attitude that they will never leave the hood because they did well in school. Unless they become a rapper or an athlete, for inner city kids, the sport is basketball.

    I hate to break it to you, there are only so many rappers and ballers in the world.

    But who cares, fuck obama for wanting kids to aspire to be something more, something better. Fuck obama for wanting parents to give their kids something more to aspire too, he is just being a fucking communist because he wants people to improve themselves and rise above their circumstances.

     

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    vellocet says:

     How is he imposing his views on the children in this speech?  He’s not enacting any laws to force children to be scientists, he’s suggesting what he wants.  You’re right, the children can be whatever they want and this speech isn’t going to change that.  I think you’re exaggerating the influence this speech has over parents and kids.

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    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    Not really. He is saying what he wants the children to be, no whatever they wish to be. Life can take them almost everywhere, not necesarily to be rappers or scientists. Obama doesn´t have the right to impose his views on children because he doesn´t know what they are gonna to decide.

    Videogames should not be the target of underarchivement metaphores. They could be as inspiring as Star Trek and other TV shows were for many children today are or scientifics or space ingenniers or even writers.

    The cynical side of videogames (spanish only): http://thelostlevel.blogspot.com/ My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship): http://www.darkknightstrikes.deviantart.com/

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    When the NAACP stops framing it in an ‘us’ and ‘them’ fashion, and Obama stops framing it in an ‘us’ and ‘them’ fashion (look at his comments about how there are still barriers in ‘their’ way.  Because no one, NO ONE, but black folk need deal with poverty), then I’ll say we’re all in this together.  But as long as they continue with the current line of bullshit, it will never be all of us in it together.

    The same goes for many other groups.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    I’d love to believe this.  I really would.  However, it’s not the National Association for the Advancement of AMERICAN People, it’s the National Association for the Advancement of COLORED People.  The problem is that, regardless of who’s at fault, these organizations foster an "us vs. them" mindset.  Therefore, those that disagree usually end up with an "us vs. them" argument.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Karsten Aaen says:

    When I was a boy many years ago (and boy, do I sound like my father right now…) my mother and father=my parents told me to make my homework first, before I were allowed to play anything at all or to do what I wanted to do.

    Homeweork for school must come before all else these days; parents must insist on this. In short, they need to do a very traditional and conservative thing, they need to parent their children. They should guide them as well.

    Obama can, of course, make this comment to the African-American community, because he has worked with them as a community organizer; he knows what he’s talking about.

    If and when children of African-Americans shall be doctors, chemists, teachers, engineers, people need to push these children to get them to reach their fullest potential; teachers should expect as much, if not perhaps even more, from their African-Americans students.

    And to achieve this, at least some of the time, believe it or not, the xbox 360 will have to be put away so that these aspiring young people learn the value of studying both hard and smart, before they get to play their favorite game on the xbox 360.

    In short:

    Parents need to parent their children; they don’t have to be in the role of helpless victims: do many things themselves they can (to paraprahse Yoda)

     

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    MrKlorox says:

    Because the Wii doesn’t hold the hardcores like the other two; kids aren’t staying up all night playing Cooking Mama. And the PS3 is a niche item like the Xbox was last generation. Sorry to break it to you.

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    gamepolitics says:

    Interestingly, although he has expressed this sentiment so many times that I’ve lost count, this is the first time that it has moved from the generic "video games" to a specific system.

    I’m willing to bet that "Xbox" was chosen for stylistic reasons over anything else. Using "Wii" would have perhaps lead to confusion among some listeners with the word "we"… "PlayStation 3" doesn’t roll off the tongue as easily as does "Xbox."


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    josh111888 says:

     The Wii would actually be more Relevant than Xbox or PS3 in terms of sales.  Which just shows that Obama has no clue what is going on with the video game industry.  

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    MrKlorox says:

    He said Xbox because it’s the relevant one. If this was 6 years ago he would have said PS2. Before then he would have simply said "the Nintendo".

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    Wimblesaurus says:

    The word Xbox sounds cooler and fits into speech better than the word Wii (which, given its synonymity with manitalia, is a good word to avoid anyway).

    EDIT: also no one can afford a ps3.

     

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    I was just thinking that.  He keeps mentioning the Xbox.  Does he just not know about the Wii and PS3, or is the Wii cool because he owns one?

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    d20sapphire says:

    It doesn’t have to be one or the other.  There can still be barriers while at the same time people who aren’t doing all they can to get ahead in life.  Obama’s point is that even though it’s hard, parents still have to raise their kids to succeed or else they won’t anyway, regardless of how hard it is for a particular individual.

    http://www.20sidedwoman.blogspot.com

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    This seems to be contrary to his 100 year anniversary NAACP speech, where he said that there were still barriers.  Just saying, I thought we were still keepin them down yesterday, so I don’t see how THEY can write their own destiny today.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    Name one disadvantage any minority in America has or had that white people didn’t have or don’t now.  I’ll point out how wrong you are.

    And you’re wrong about obama talking to the RNC about affirmative action.  If he spoke to Republicans about it being evil, they’d deffinitely listen to him, and may even try to broker a deal with which to get it removed.  However, he wouldn’t do that because he doesn’t want to get rid of affirmative action.  He has been very active in expanding affirmative action throughout his political career.  On the flip side, GW has always been an advocate for better parenting.  The fact that any message he has on the subject would be lost on minorities purely because he’s white, which is racist.

    As such, I submit a theory that Dems are more racist than Republicans, as most of the racist policies of today (PC, affirmative action) are from Democrat ideals.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    vellocet says:

     Saying that white people don’t have the same disadvantages as blacks is not the same as saying white people don’t have disadvantages. Learn to construct an argument instead of setting up strawmen.

    And because Obama is black, it gives him insight (and yes, a better position) and credibility from which to address those perceived disadvantages.

    If Obama went and spoke at the RNC about the evils of affirmative action (the hiring of minorities over qualified white people), nobody would take him seriously for exactly the same reason that if George W Bush went to the NAACP to give this speech, he would not have the same credibility or insight.

    I can’t believe I’m still paying any attention to you. 

     

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    jedidethfreak says:

    He probably got all of that from the fact that you said that white people don’t know what it’s like to be disadvantaged.  In America, most of the people who voice such an opinion are black, specifically the NAACP.  You made this comment in response to me pointing out that if a white person said what he said, it would be political suicide, but because Obama said it, the press just creams their collective panties.  I’m calling out a double standard, and you’re supporting it.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    vellocet says:

    I’m not sure if you’re responding to me, but I’ll assume you are.

    First of all. You should really read what I wrote. You’re obviously assuming that I’m black. I am not, I’m asian.  So yes, I do know that people of all races suffer from prejudices.

    The point here (and why Obama was speaking at the NAACP) is that he is a black man to whom perceived stereotypes did not affect him.  And he’s saying that those stereotypes are meanlingless if you want them to be.  His speech is encouraging people not to embrace the stereotypes as excuses not to excel.  That he is proof that anyone can acheive anything regardless of race.  But more importantly, that this philosophy of "victimhood" embraced by minorities is the real thing that stands in the way of their success.

    I don’t know how you got "only blacks live in the ghetto" out of anything that I said.

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    d20sapphire says:

    In some ways saying that black kids shouldn’t look to other black people to inspiration is slowing crossing the line over to "black kids should learn to be something other than black."  It’s a great way to get kids to hate themselves for something they can’t control.  

    As much as kids should be able to find positive inspiration anywhere, we have to let kids know that being themselves is not bad undesirable.  That’s why it’s important for minority kids to have role models they can look up to that come from very similar backgrounds.

    http://www.20sidedwoman.blogspot.com

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    Baruch_S says:

    Colin Powell doesn’t sell millions of dollars in albums each year. Having kids look up to someone who is actually a decent role model isn’t a profitable venture, so you’re probably not going to see the media pushing kids to give up idolizing the rappers and sports starts anytime soon.

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    chadachada321 says:

    I’ve been inspired by Stargate SG-1 to pursue more things in science and math, definitely.

    On a different note, black kids shouldn’t look to other black people for inspiration, they should look to other smart/successful people for inspiration, black or otherwise.

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

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    Neeneko says:

    Maybe what we really need is better TV.. or at least inspiring TV.

    Hear me out.

    One thing I find as a recurring meme among older (boomer) scientists and engineers is many of them were inspired by star trek.  Specificly it was a show that from time to time put brainy people in the center stage, made them heroes.

    One of the problems facing the black community is it’s selection of well publisized hereos.  You generally have people who made it rich (the classic meme being rappers and sports stars) and that is about it.  Other models exist (for instance, Colin Powel) but they are not really focused on.

    Having more media that contains intellegent black characters that solve problems with brainpower rather then threat/muscle, and are praised for saving the day, would probably go a long way twoards giving children the idea to look into other models.

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    Vake Xeacons says:

    What, so only blacks live in the ghetto? Only blacks have to deal with poverty and racism? "Only the homeless are beggin’ for change!" Whites are all racist, pampered, and snotty rich? Try again. Life shits on everyone: black, white, red, green, purple, and yellow.

    And yes, Obama seems to have something against all games. The 360 was just the example he used this time; don’t forget he advertised his campaign on XBL.

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    vellocet says:

     Wow. Just wow.

    As a minority, I think it’s really good that he points out that there ARE cultural differences.  That they *may* be seen as disadvantages.  But I have never let them get the in way of my pursuits.  I understand that (although I am a very good musician) I probably won’t be a Pop Idol.  However, I’ve done very well for myself in my chosen field and I encourage people of any ethnicity to realize that it’s not about the colour of your skin but the effort you put into things.  And the colour of your skin is no excuse to slack off.

    Obama, as a black man, is saying that people of his ethnicity should look at him as an example of what you can be "despite" prejudices both external and internal.

    He wouldn’t be saying this if he were white, because white people don’t have the same perceived disadvantages as the people that he’s talking to.  

    Your post is one of the stupidest things I have ever read and I am dumber for having read it.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    If Obama had been white and said this, the New York Times would have most likely called it "a fiery attack on minorities," and Kanye West would have said he doesn’t care about black people.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    vellocet says:

    Actually, he usually says television as well.  This is the first time that I’ve heard him mention only games.

    Usually it’s something like "turn off the tv, put away the videogames". 

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    linkreincarnate says:

    Seriously. Why is all of the focus on video games and not TV? At the very least videogames are better for cognitive processes than tv. It seems to me that because he had so much help getting elected by the media that he cannot speak against them now. This quid pro quo routine is getting a little rediculous. Secret backroom IP treaties that we can’t hear about because of "national security". (Really so we have no hope of ever appealing DMCA. They are simply making it so that in order to get rid of the DMCA we would have to change international law) Discouraging other forms of entertainment whilst ignoring television. Appointing RIAA lawyers to high positions of political power. Obama has proven to me that he’s just like every other politician. It’s a shame too because I had such high hopes for him.

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    godmoney says:

    Well if the President goes on to say the Xbox targets poor people that pretty much chronicles it as a mainstream fact.  No reason to attack PS3 owners because they generally are more educated or have money.  There I said it!

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    MechaTama31 says:

    It’s kind of hard to argue with someone suggesting that letting your kids stay up all night playing games might have an adverse effect on their education.  I know Obama has equated gaming with laziness on other occasions, but this doesn’t quite seem like one of those times to me.  This time it seems to be more about keeping them from doing it excessively, at the cost of getting homework done or getting adequate sleep.  Sounds reasonable enough.

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