ECA: Tell President Obama How Games Have Benefited You

If you’re a regular GamePolitics reader, you know that President Barack Obama often refers to video games as something to be set aside in favor of presumably more worthwhile pursuits. In the most recent example, Obama, speaking at the NAACP’s 100th anniversary dinner, counseled African-American parents to put away the Xbox.

Now, the Entertainment Consumers Association is urging gamers to let the President know that there is a lot of good in video games. Brett Schenker, Online Advocacy Manager for the ECA, writes:

Throughout the Presidential race and continuing into his Presidency, President Obama on numerous occasions has said "put the video games away." As a gamer and a voter, [the ECA is] asking you to email President Obama to point out some of the ways that video games have empowered and educated you, as well as their power to build teamwork and make people healthier…

We know video games can promote fitness. We know games can educate, because we’ve experienced that first hand. Video games are also not solely consumption entertainment as we’re being challenged to create content for some of our favorite games. We’re a part of the new global choice for entertainment and the community it’s spawned.

 

We’re asking you to speak out now and put a positive face on our community. Make sure to let the President know what we experience every day. Take a moment and make your voice heard.

To assist gamers in contacting the Prez on this issue, the ECA has set up an online action campaign where gamers can personalize their message and have it forwarded to the White House.

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    F__ked up says:

    I noticed that you didnt reply to the stupid tea baggers.

    I called you unintelligent and stupid because well you are unintelligent and stupid. Here are the examples

    Stupid Statement 1

    Maybe, instead of just assuming that America deserved 9/11, as your post makes clear you believe,

    Where did I say America deserved 9/11? Are you doing your inane drawing false conclusion again? What because I said to walk in someone elses shoes? I m saying America deserved 9/11? A falsely drawn conclusion that an idiot would make.

    Stupid Statement 2

    You’re being called a terrorist sympathiser NOT because you are liberal, but because you just said we should look at the "context" of people killing innocent civilians to make a political statement based on ideological racism.

    Racism? hmm now where did I say that? nope I didnt say anything about race. FAIL

    ok I m looking at the context. American bombs hitting innocent civilians in the line of fire. How about american troops killing innocent civilians? But the you believe that all Arabs and Muslims not innocent? So we are no better than them cuz they believe no Americans are innocent? So then we will just continue to kill them? You have just justified one of their reasons to hate us.

    Stupid Statement 3

    All’s fair in love and war, and turnabout is fair play.

    If anything this statement has been used to justify the weak pretending to be strong. If they are going to cheat, we are going to cheat. Or the only way to win is to cheat

    So we invade Iraq when it was really not the country that caused 9/11 but a terrorist organization located in the Middle East. So we go in and kill people. In turn they rise up and start killing the "invaders" (turnabout). In the crossfire civilians are killed. America blames the Iraqs for killing civilians, Iraqs blame the Americans. So Iraqs go and kill more American civilians and Americans go and kill more Iraq civilians. Ahh the cycle never stops. Eye for an Eye and the whole world goes blind.

    Stupid Statement 4

    You can’t kill somebody just because you don’t like them, and then claim victim status when somebody turns it back on you.

    See here is your absurdly stupid assumption that they just dont like us and just want to kill us. They have justified their actions for killing people no different than how America justified going into Iraq.

    But then again didnt America claim victim status after 9/11? When America has committed so many atrocities in the name of Freedom and Democracy. Turnabout is fair play right?

    Stupid Statement 5

    Every Muslim extremist organization has said over and over again that they hate and will attack America because we support Israel.

    I highly doubt that they all will attacks us just over Israel. There are the conflicts over oil, the saudi family, the gulf war, the embargos, the conquering of lands, use of UN sanctions, the killing of innocent people by troops and / or smart bombs and much more. Maybe its time you pick up a history book.

    Starting at 9/11 America found justication and hate toward the islamic world, mainly Iraq, and decide to invade. Iraqi civilians then found justication and hate towards America after watching friends and family die by the hands of Americans.  The circle is complete, let us for ever travel among its never ending path.


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

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    jedidethfreak says:

    When have I ever said that a leader is above question?  I’m saying to question ALL OF THEM, to see that ALL OF CONGRESS and ALL OF THE SENATE, ALONG WITH THE ADMINISTRATION are to blame.  You’re the one calling me racist for questioning a leader who happens to be black.  You’re the one so set on blaming President Bush for everything that anyone who dares suggest someone else is just as at fault (which is all I ever said) has to be blind to what President Bush has done.  Open your eyes to the fact that you are the brainwashed idiot you claim I am.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Mr.Pat says:

    I told you where to go.  You don’t want to go there, fine, but don’t lie to me saying I didn’t tell you where to look.  You see, unlike you, I actually watch the news.  I watch news reports on CSPAN, MSNBC, CNN and Fox News.  I get news from the Wii News Channel.  I have a myriad of sources.  You seem to think that unless it happens in your own tiny world, it didn’t happen.  You don’t want to look outside said tiny world when I tell you where to go, fine.

    What you tried to do was try and be as broad as possible without having to resort to your initial, and pathetic "google it" ploy. Everyone else here, both when asked to and sometimes even before that, give specific, down to the page, or down to the video links. You don’t, and you expect everything you say to be taken as fact, and then whine when you get called out for it. It is not our job to prove your claim, I don’t think I can actually dumb that down for you any further, so try reading that a few times and maybe it will stick for once. Its nice that expecting specific citations is equivalent to not watching the news now – I guess noone here does that except you then. I guess holding a person accountable for what they claim makes a person ignorant, since thats how you’re presenting things. Its truly pathetic that you have to attempt, and fail, to resort to claiming someone doesn’t watch the news because you’re too intellectually dishonest to provice actual citations. Don’t "Marines" like you even try to have any integrity?

    I love how you claim that it’s okay for terrorists to use turnabout, but not America.  Don’t tie the hands of soldiers and then claim anyone who has a problem with said hand-tying is a coward, unless you really don’t have a problem with being called un-American.  

    And I love how you project your opinions as absolute fact; its really quite cute, sort of like a three-legged puppy sort of way. I haven’t said its ok for them to use turnabout, I said that you, as well as the rest of your fellow warmongers, can’t get mad about it, because you use it too. Apparantly you’re just fine with seeing both sides reciprocate back and forth and back and forth and back and forth – me? I’d rather it just end already, or better yet, not have started in the first place. Then again, I actually value the lives of our troops. What’s your excuse?

    It’s funny, that you say I shouldn’t call you names in the same paragraph used to call me names.

    You know, the sky tends to be a very nice shade of blue over here – what color is it in your world?

    What method of torture is worse than removing fingernails and then televising the decapitation for the world to see?  Oh, wait, in your opinion that’s a time-limited waterboarding with doctors present to make sure nobody actually gets hurt.

    Now that is some beautiful logic right there – "our torture is less severe so we deserve a free pass for it". You go ahead and keep trying, and failing, to justify torture (at least when Americans are doing the torturing, its only wrong and evil when its done to); I’ll continue to be a better American and consider it evil in all forms, regardless of who performs it.

    What part of my post did I say that the Bush administration was without blame?  I’ve said it numerous times that they’re just as wrong as anyone.  You’re the one who thinks that only a select few are to blame.

    I think its where you decided to accuse people who disagreed with the administration as UnAmerican, since you’ve done that to a few people now.

    At this point, if there really was a health issue for mommy, she’d be dying and there’s no point in killing the kid anyway.  Strawman = fail.

    Yeah, let the bitch die, its her fault she couldn’t stay healthy anyways. She needs to accept respnsibility for getting ill.

    Just like a freeper…

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    Mr.Pat says:

    You can’t kill somebody just because you don’t like them, and then claim victim status when somebody turns it back on you.

    Because if ANYONE knows about how to claim victim status when receiving reciprocation…

    As far as your sayings, I got a couple for you – All’s fair in love and war, and turnabout is fair play.If people working for a terrorist organization, I don’t know, hijack four jumbo jets and fly them into buildings, then they really can’t complain about being taken prisoner and force-fed water, or being forced to look at half-naked women, or having to listen to barking dogs.

    Wonderful. Then you don’t get to complain when any soldiers get captured and tortured or slaughtered in the future – turnabout is fair play after all. You can’t get angry if another nation, laughable as it it sounds, tries to invade us, or launch nukes at as, you know, since all’s fair in love and war. You just gave all your enemies a free pas on anything they’ve done and will do. I hope you like that.

    You’re being called a terrorist sympathiser NOT because you are liberal, but because you just said we should look at the "context" of people killing innocent civilians to make a political statement based on ideological racism.

    Right, because trying to understand your enemy is UnAmerican. Might Makes Right! War is Joy! Dissenters should be killed! Yeah, we read you loud and clear.

    Maybe, instead of just assuming that America deserved 9/11, as your post makes clear you believe, you should look at what they are fighting for, determine if that’s really a worthwhile goal, and then post accordingly, because if you were in a building that a terrorist wanted to destroy, he wouldn’t care that you are willing to accept the "context" of what he’s doing, or look at the history.  He’d see you as an American Infidel, and kill you accordingly.

    And maybe, just maybe, instead of assuming than anyone who dares to question your republican leaders (since its perfectly ok to attack democratic ones) thinks we deserved 9/11 as your posts make abundantly clear you believe, you should look at why they are against the war to begin with, look at both sides of the issue for once, and then post accordingly; because if you were the friend of a Marine (you know, a real one) or the family of a soldier who had been deployed, then redeployed, then redeployed, then redeployed, then had their tours extended, then redeployed, then extended, and then killed in combat, you wouldn’t care what the military would tell you to justify it. You’d see someone you cared about dead, and all for something with no signs of ever truly resolving.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    I told you where to go.  You don’t want to go there, fine, but don’t lie to me saying I didn’t tell you where to look.  You see, unlike you, I actually watch the news.  I watch news reports on CSPAN, MSNBC, CNN and Fox News.  I get news from the Wii News Channel.  I have a myriad of sources.  You seem to think that unless it happens in your own tiny world, it didn’t happen.  You don’t want to look outside said tiny world when I tell you where to go, fine.

    I love how you claim that it’s okay for terrorists to use turnabout, but not America.  Don’t tie the hands of soldiers and then claim anyone who has a problem with said hand-tying is a coward, unless you really don’t have a problem with being called un-American.  It’s funny, that you say I shouldn’t call you names in the same paragraph used to call me names.

    What method of torture is worse than removing fingernails and then televising the decapitation for the world to see?  Oh, wait, in your opinion that’s a time-limited waterboarding with doctors present to make sure nobody actually gets hurt.

    What part of my post did I say that the Bush administration was without blame?  I’ve said it numerous times that they’re just as wrong as anyone.  You’re the one who thinks that only a select few are to blame.

    Finally, I didn’t say that the people who NEEDED late term abortions shouldn’t get them.  I said it’s a deplorable practice to give them to ANYONE who wanted one as long as they had five thousand dollars.  I don’t know how clearer I can make the fact that I don’t, nor have I ever, hate Tiller.  If that’s how he wants to make money, and what he did was legal where he did it, I can live with that.  However, that doesn’t make his death any more heroic, that he was only one of three doctors willing to kill a child being born for money, as that is what a partial-birth abortion is.  The baby is in the birth canal, actually being BORN and they kill it, oftentimes as it’s crowning.  At this point, if there really was a health issue for mommy, she’d be dying and there’s no point in killing the kid anyway.  Strawman = fail.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Mr.Pat says:

    You’re a coward in so many ways its pathetic.

    All I know is that it wouldn’t matter what I did, because I look at your links and respond respectfully to your posts, and you attack me personally.

    And all I know is that you don’t post any links and expect to be taken seriously, then whine like a crybaby and claim you’re a victim when people call you out on it.

    You keep whining and making excuses to prevent having to acually cite ANYTHING you claim. You can’t take it upon yourself to research your own points because you are a coward afraid of realizing you’re wrong.

    You don’t condemn anyone but America, because America is the evil one, even though by your own admission what America did isn’t as bad as what terrorists do.

    No; I condemn Americans like you who on harping that torture is a fine and dandy practice that shouldn’t be questioned and expect the people who do it to be treated as heroes and patriots. I have no problem bringing in and capturing terrorists; I DO have a problem with torturing them. Its inhumane and just breeds more terrorists. You can deny that all you want, but its fact. You’ve become such a coward that you’re willing to give torturors a free pass on their actions just to feel safe for another day. You’re more than willing to forgo the morals of society just to stick it to the brown people. Torture-enthusiats like you are a blight on the planet at best.

    As far as "damaging our stature," with whom is our stature damaged?  Elected leaders in France and Germany that aren’t even popular in their own nations?  The terrorists who would kill Americans no matter how well we treated prisoners?  Who?

    Try the rest of the planet, jackass. I know you’re a nationalist who thinks The US is the only great nation on the planet who does no wrong and should be the world’s police force, but try to think outside of your own little bubble where Americans are superior to everyone else, because we’re not.

    You believing that America has no right to bring terrorists to justice makes you anti-American.

    You’re such a coward that you have to make up your own reality; tell me where I said we have no right to bring terrorists to justice. I said we have no right to torture them, and for the record, torture DOES NOT EQUAL JUSTICE. It equals hatred and spite, and brings further reciprocation. Its sickening, and so are you if you support it. You must not want this war to ever end.

    You sitting there saying that America has to be the "bigger person" in a fight against an enemy that doesn’t care about stature, regardless of how they fight makes you anti-American,

    Thank you for admitting you think taking the moral highground is Un-American. Your parents must truly be proud for thinking its perfectly fine to sink to the level or terrorists. Just remember when a soldier gets captured and they resort to even worse methods of torture on them, before killing them, you forfeit any right to complain, because you thought it was just fine to do it to them.

    the leaders you agree with believe that if an American soldier or Marine kills someone in Iraq or Afghanistan, we need to launch an investigation into why that sodier or Marine fired a weapon in the first place, instead of believing that the soldier or Marine in question was actually under attack.

    And the leaders you agree with think soldiers (real soldiers, I.E. not you) believe soldiers and Marines are beyond reproach and should never be held accountable for their actions. Ever. You think rape and incest victims should be held accountable for what happens to them, but a soldier shouldn’t have to receive any questions whatsoever if they have to resort to shooting or killing. Hypocrite.

    The people who agree with your train of thought had no problem sending the US military over to Iraq and Afghanistan, but when they needed money for tanks, bullets, armor and weapons to fight the wars they were sent to fight, they decided that they didn’t want to spend the money, and then they were going to blame President Bush for sending a military force over there without equiping them in the first place.  Apparently they forgot that they are the ones who demilitarized this nation under Clinton in the first place.

    And the truth finally comes out! You think King George and his apostle Saint Rumsfeld deserve no blame whatsoever for their abysmal planning and hawking for war in the first place. You follow them lockstep 100%, after all, its party before country with you people. Its no surprising they couldn’t even supply the troops with adequate supplies, your apostle said they wouldn’t be there more than six months, but he gets a pass on that right?

    Its really quite relieving to know you and your ilk of hatemongers, warmongers, and chickenhawks are no longer in power. It truly is. Maybe now we can be lead by people who don’t think bullets and bombs are the answer to all of life’s problems.

    And to go back to your Tiller hatred, I was already aware of the numbers, I even said there were idiots seeking his service. Try reading, it helps to undestand things better. But thanks for confirming you’d rather let that one percent die than receive treatment. Classy, very classy.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    Oh, I’m sorry that telling you to go to msnbc.com and look at their archives isn’t holding your hand enough for you.  All I know is that it wouldn’t matter what I did, because I look at your links and respond respectfully to your posts, and you attack me personally.

    As far as your assertion that Tiller’s practice was needed, you mean to tell me that the 60,000 babies he killed in five years were all life-and-death situations for the mothers?  If so, you should check out the Kansas DHS, as they believe that MAYBE one percent of that number would actually qualify as such.  The others were his usual 5-grand-and-I-kill-your-kid special.  That’s not a needed service.  If it takes a woman nine months to decide she doesn’t want a baby, she’s got to figure out a way to keep her legs shut, and ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER ACTIONS.

    I like you you totally sidestep my argument about torture though.  You don’t condemn anyone but America, because America is the evil one, even though by your own admission what America did isn’t as bad as what terrorists do.  As far as "damaging our stature," with whom is our stature damaged?  Elected leaders in France and Germany that aren’t even popular in their own nations?  The terrorists who would kill Americans no matter how well we treated prisoners?  Who?

    I don’t think that you being against torture is anti-American.  You believing that America has no right to bring terrorists to justice makes you anti-American.  You sitting there saying that America has to be the "bigger person" in a fight against an enemy that doesn’t care about stature, regardless of how they fight makes you anti-American, because the leaders you agree with believe that if an American soldier or Marine kills someone in Iraq or Afghanistan, we need to launch an investigation into why that sodier or Marine fired a weapon in the first place, instead of believing that the soldier or Marine in question was actually under attack.  The people who agree with your train of thought had no problem sending the US military over to Iraq and Afghanistan, but when they needed money for tanks, bullets, armor and weapons to fight the wars they were sent to fight, they decided that they didn’t want to spend the money, and then they were going to blame President Bush for sending a military force over there without equiping them in the first place.  Apparently they forgot that they are the ones who demilitarized this nation under Clinton in the first place.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    Every Muslim extremist organization has said over and over again that they hate and will attack America because we support Israel.  They don’t like our friend, so they’re going to kill us.  We committed no action or atrocity to deserve this activity, other than support a fledgling nation that we helped to bring back.  At what point will you concede the fact that terrorists generally have no leg to stand on, as it is their ideology that has them killing people?  You can’t kill somebody just because you don’t like them, and then claim victim status when somebody turns it back on you.  As far as your sayings, I got a couple for you – All’s fair in love and war, and turnabout is fair play.  If people working for a terrorist organization, I don’t know, hijack four jumbo jets and fly them into buildings, then they really can’t complain about being taken prisoner and force-fed water, or being forced to look at half-naked women, or having to listen to barking dogs.  You’re being called a terrorist sympathiser NOT because you are liberal, but because you just said we should look at the "context" of people killing innocent civilians to make a political statement based on ideological racism.

    Maybe, instead of just assuming that America deserved 9/11, as your post makes clear you believe, you should look at what they are fighting for, determine if that’s really a worthwhile goal, and then post accordingly, because if you were in a building that a terrorist wanted to destroy, he wouldn’t care that you are willing to accept the "context" of what he’s doing, or look at the history.  He’d see you as an American Infidel, and kill you accordingly.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Mr.Pat says:

    So apparantly your name is Bill O’Reilly? Because I only said he hated him. You really need to get that persecution complex in check if you think comments regarding him are now all about you. Unless you actually thought my comment of "some of the people who sought out said services" was all about you – in which case, wow

    And yes, whether you like it or nit, Tiller provided a needed service. Regardless of the BS reasons some people may give for them, late-term abortions are a needed service, rare enough as it is, if a woman’s life becomes in danger during pregnancy, a service not done by very many people, which is now one less because of a pro-life nutjob. Unless you actually think its better to let both the mother and the child die in such a circumstance, yes, its a needed procedure.

    And no surprise that you can’t even provide a link to your claims, as usual. Everyone else here provides specific links to their claims when asked, but apparantly you expect everyone to prove your claims for you. Doesn’t work that way – and you’ve been told that multiple times. If they interviewed those people, then you should have no problem finding a video file of it, because the burden of proof lies on you. Not me; not anyone else; you. Either provide a direct link or you’re a liar, plain and simple.

    Oh, and please tell me where I said America is bad, because I didn’t. I said torture is bad in all forms and is never justifiable. America isn’t and never will be perfect, but I expect the nation I live in to be better than that, as well as its people. Apparantly now I have to be a torture-enthusiast or else I hate my country – and you really wonder why conservatives are considered hateful people? It doesn’t matter what the other side does, we already know they did and do atrocious things, you’re still doing something atrocious in retaliation. It doesn’t matter if "its not as bad" as what they do, its still bad to begin with, and it damages our stature, regardless of how fond you are of it.

    So being against torture makes me a terrorist sympathizer? If you really want to go down that path, and it looks like you do, then I guess your torture is fine and dandy stance makes you a terrorist breeder/recruiter then, because thats the only thing torture will get you; more terrorists.

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    F__ked up says:

    Way to go on staying on topic.

    I have debated you many times and well I have the facts on my side where you just continue to rant on as though the facts do not matter. Hmm Maybe read your own signature?

    The daily show did a great piece on the teabaggers. Its stupidity in action.

    The Daily Show With Jon Stewart Mon – Thurs 11p / 10c
    Tea Party Tyranny
    http://www.thedailyshow.com
    Daily Show
    Full Episodes
    Political Humor Joke of the Day

    Terrorist Sympathizer?

    So your arguement that you have drag me into is to say that it is "OK" to torture someone because they are murders killers, and etc? Its "OK" to become the very monsters that we are trying to fight? Well now I guess America is really the monster the terrorist believe us to be. yup eye for an eye and whole world can go blind.

    whats that saying? walking in another person shoes? Something called context? I get accused lots or times for sympathizing with terrorist mainly by stupid conservatives. Lots of people quickly rush to judgment and fail to understand the why. I dont even know why I m going to try this as you have shown to be complete imbecile many times over. Has anyone asked why people commit such actions? They hate america, so why do they hate america? does it have to do with past history? does it do with our current actions? If a military force came barging into my house arresting my parents and leaving me to fend for my own never to see them again, i would call that justification for hate. But then many people fail to think logically or critically, like you do, and will just retort with ignorant and stupid responses back that will continue spiral downwards.


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

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    F__ked up says:

    Where did I call you a racist? Proof please or are they like your many other assertions where you have no credible evidence to back it up? Sorry your argument fails. If anything I called you a repeater, unintelligent, inbred, conservative but racist I doubt it unless there was something racist in your comments. There have been a few comments I have seen that would be in gray area of racism.

    I have argued many times why I consider you an idiot and unintelligent by disproving many of your asserations and incorrectly drawn conclusions with supported credible facts and evidence.  


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

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    Brett Schenker says:

    Gamadaya –

    The ECA agrees with President Obama that students need to be physically active and study, and that sitting on a couch all day achieves neither of these objectives. Video games should be a part of balanced set of activities and hobbies.

    What our call to action is about is the President’s use of video games as a fall guy.  With so many pieces of unconstitutional anti-video game legislation being proposed, it’s easy to see that video games are today’s “whipping boy” and we’re concerned that the President’s comments perpetuate this negative image. This campaign is just one step of many in showing the positive aspects of video games, as there are many. 

    You can read more about this at the ECA forums, http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?p=104242#post104242.

    Hope that clears things up.
     

    Brett Schenker

    Online Advocacy Manager

    the ECA

    http://www.theeca.com

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    jedidethfreak says:

    And you say I’m projecting.  I never said I hated Tiller.  I said that he was no hero.  What part of "pro-choice conservative" did you miss?  Tiller did not provide a "needed service."  If killing a baby as it’s being born was a needed service, then Tiller would have more than two other doctors in the US doing it.

    As far as a link about NBC news covering the teaparties, here you go: msnbc.com.  It’s there, because it was all over their cable news network, right before Jeanene Garofalo said only racists were going to these, as the reporters interviewed people AT THE PROTEST who said they didn’t belive in Stimulus or Obamacare.  No matter what photos you pull out, or where you got them, these protests are an attempt to tell our President that Stimulus 1 was a bad idea, Stimulus 2 is a worse idea, and that Obamacare is quite possibly the worst idea he’s tried to slip past America.

    As for your no torture stance, when you and your "Stop waterboarding murderers" get together and tell radical Muslims that claiming Jihad against America because we are friends with Israel and kidnapping people then cutting their heads off on the Internet is also bad, maybe people will stop accusing you of terrorist sympathising.  You claim America is bad, without even touching what America was responding to in the first place, and then you wonder why people associate you with a pro-terrorist stance.  It’s because you’ll speak out against your own government without condemning the people who attacked and are attacking us in the first place.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Mr.Pat says:

    Again with the projecting; no, that never gets stale. Call out the teabaggers on blatant hatred and you’re automatically a liberal and an Olbermann viewer. For the record, I got those images and my information from actual republicans who went to various teabagger rallies who were utterly disgusted at the behavior and the messages being put on display. You can say whatever you want regarding how those protests were started, the truth of the matter is that the whackjobs and the freepers (yes, I know I’m being redundant) took control of the message put on display, and now these protests are seen as nothing more than whining and hatred.

    I’ll also grant you the point that they should have spoken up during the Bush administration.  However, the Dem excuse for voting all but unanimously for everything Bush wanted was that they didn’t speak out against him in fear of being called un-American.  Now, people speak out and you call it all hate speech.

    I’m not talking about the democrats in congress, I’m talking about the voters, specifically the teabaggers; They called anyone who questioned Bush traitors and terrorist supporters, while giving their president a free pass on anything and everything he did. Now we have a democrat in office and they were labeling him a failure before he even took the oath. Your attempt to use "the other side is just as bad" doesn’t take any guilt away from them. At all. They dished it out, now they can learn to take it. And yes, a lot of their speaking out in fact is hatespeech, unless this guy making a lynched effigy of a congressman directly in front of his office makes him a patriot (that was taken this week, btw).

    NBC News, when covering the first tea parties, interviewed black and latino business owners who didn’t like being told they had to pay higher taxes if they actually made over 250,000 dollars to pay for programs that they wouldn’t be able to use.

    Then show me a link or provide a screencap, because in my months of searching I haven’t come up with one. In short: Citation Needed.

    Furthermore, what the hell do the actions and the words of Palestinians on Israel have to do at all with republicans calling anyone in the country who questioned the last guy in office as terrorist-sympathizers? That doesn’t even fit in to the argument. Not to mention, taking a no waterboarding stance doesn’t make you a terrorist sympathizer; it means you’re against torture under any circumstance. Torturing people certainly doesn’t help us out except it seems to give some conservatives I speak to something to beat off to. There is no middle-ground for torture, either its always right or its always wrong – pick a side.

    I also have no need to point Tiller out to be a hero. He provided a needed serivde that very, very few people did, regardless of the stupidity of some people who sought said services out. Nothing more. That fact alone that Bill O’Reilly absolutely hated the man is enough of a reason by itself to make you think he was a good person to boot.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    I’ll give you the point that most of the signs you showed were in poor taste.  I’ll grant you that.  However, the tea parties were started in protest to Stimulus, Stimulus 2 and Obamacare.  Maybe you should turn off Keith Olbermann long enough to actually find that out.

    I’ll also grant you the point that they should have spoken up during the Bush administration.  However, the Dem excuse for voting all but unanimously for everything Bush wanted was that they didn’t speak out against him in fear of being called un-American.  Now, people speak out and you call it all hate speech.

    As far as your comment on transcending party lines and races, they really do.  You are right that most are Republicans, but there are Libertarians and conservative Democrats organizing and participating in the tea parties, because rich, racist white people aren’t the only people who don’t believe in Stimulus, Stimulus 2 and Obamacare.  NBC News, when covering the first tea parties, interviewed black and latino business owners who didn’t like being told they had to pay higher taxes if they actually made over 250,000 dollars to pay for programs that they wouldn’t be able to use.

    As for the terrorist-sympathiser comment, saying that Israel deserves having innocent people killed because America helped create the nation of Israel is terrorist sympathising.  Saying that waterboarding someone who cut off the heads of innocent civilians is a crime against humanity while ignoring the fact that they cut heads off innocent civilians is terrorist sympathising.  Saying that you want to launch a "Truth Commission" to get a former President put into prison when you actively allowed that President to do what you want him put in prison for, then lying about actively allowing that President to do waht you want him put in prison for, all the while saying that the people who told you what was going on are nothing but untrustworthy liars is terrorist sympathising.  (For the uninitiated, i.e. Shahab, Mr.Pat and F__kedUp, I’m referring to, in order, the Palestinians committing terrorist attacks on Israel, and then demanding the UN to chastise Israel for a military response, the fact that more than a few of the terrorists in Guantanamo Bay chopped off heads of civillian workers and US soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we can’t touch them without violating their "human rights," and Nancy Pelosi wanting to instigate a so-called Truth Commission in an attempt to get President Bush arrested for war crimes, while she signed off on everthing she wants Bush arrested for then claimed to not know what was going on; when the CIA proved she was told about everthing before President Bush, she called them liars).

    Finally, I will grant you the point that you didn’t try to defend Dr. Tiller as some sort of hero, or call me racist for attacking the Black Panthers for their quasi-terrorist antics.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Mr.Pat says:

    Oh you’re so right, I’m dead wrong about what the teabaggers’ views are. All my claims about them being hateful people are just made up. Right…

    As long as you don’t read their signs that is.

    (btw, every word up there is a separate link, not that you’ll view any of them though).

     

    Oh but I suppose they’re all right though, spending is bad. Nevermind they were either completely silent orwhen the last guy spent or cheerleaded him on. Nevermind we’re still operating on the 08 budget. Nevermind how these same people would label protestors from the other side as traitors and terrorist-sympathizers. As for the teabaggers transcending race and party affiliation, please feel free to show me then, as all I’ve seen are angry, bitter, hateful white republicans, as have my friends in various parts of the nation. I know you won’t though, since you refuse to back up anything you say.

     

    But do go on giving all those people I linked a free pass on their hatred and bigotry. It really doesn’t surprise anyone that you do.

     

    EDIT: This was supposed to be a reply to the post directly above me; apparantly I forgot to use the actual reply link.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    Just like teapartiers go to prospective voters with guns telling them the better vote in a black person, and get the black person who got voted in to drop all federal charges.

     

    Oh, wait…

     

    Before you try to make the death of somebody who killed babies for money some sort of crime against humanity, maybe you should look at the bad things done by people you seem to agree with politically first and call them out as well.

    Full disclosure – Dr. George Tiller’s death was wrong in every way, and I hope the guy who did it gets the needle for it, and I hope the feds get everybody who’s ever firebombed a free clinic, regardless of the procedures they perfom.  I’m one of those all-too-rare pro-choice Conservatives.  I have no problem with abortion in principle, with the exception of trivial late-term and partial-birth abortions.

    I also have a problem with social conservatives who claim nothing more than some religious reasons to make something legal or illegal.  On a case-by-case basis, I may agree with what they want, but I would disagree with why, and I believe why is just as important as what.

    You do have nothing but a strawman on the teapartiers, though, because you just assume they want nothing more than anarchy, and that’s where you prove yourself to be uninformed.  The tea parties are about people telling President Obama that the worst recession in 70 years is not the time to increase taxes to pay for a social agenda that the country doesn’t want.  This is an attitude that transcends race, creed, gender and party affiliation.  You’re right that they’re angry, but you’re wrong, oh, soooo wrong, about what they’re angry over.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    Yeah, because Black Panther rallys and Pro-Choice demonstrations are all about sharing the love, with no disparaging remarks of any kind.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    metroidprimegmr says:

    You, sir, are a priceless diamond buried deep within a large mountain of fecal matter.

    Bravo.

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    Adamas Draconis says:

    Ok hold up. Not everybody that questions Obama is a racist. But by the same point, not everybody that questioned Bush was a "Traitor, Terrorist, and Unpatriotic." You have 300 MILLION people in this country and climbing. Guess what? NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO AGREE ON ANYTHING! But you want a civil and logical discussion both sides need to stop the namecalling bullshit.

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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    Phlopsy says:

    STOP APOLOGIZING for this guy. Obama has no respect for videogames as a legitimate media. Get off your knees and let him know what you think!

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    Bennett Beeny says:

    He is our enemy.  He keeps telling people to put the videogames down and do something more useful.  He fails to understand that videogames are an essential learning tool.

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    Michael Chandra says:

    Point is he keeps saying it. As a president every word you say will be taken blindly by many people, so even the more reason to weigh his words more carefully.

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    gamadaya says:

    Jesus ECA, shut the fuck up. He’s not your enemy. Can nobody ever say anything even slightly negative about videogames, even if it’s true? Don’t his kids have a Wii?

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    GET OFF MY PHONE!

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    Yeah, because when people questioned Bush they were ‘critically thinking’, but when somebody questions Obama we’re idiots or ‘racists’.  Nice double standard, hypocrite.

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    F__ked up says:

    Reading comments on the internet has made me lose faith in a majority of humanity. I used to think there were lots of intelligent critical thinkers but I have been losing my faith.


    I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

    Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

    Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who’s parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

    A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

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    DavCube says:

    *looks through comments*

    *facepalms*

    Good LORD, people, you’re turning this place into humanevents. Can we actually stay ON-TOPIC for once in an Obama article? Sheesh… intelligent people are talking here, don’t feed the trolls.

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    SpaceGhost2K says:

    I sent off a letter, and I was going to post it here, but it seems that since the very first post, the comments have completely disregarded the intent of the OP. So there’s really no point.

    Here’s a point, though. People need entertainment. The need to be able to play. They need to get away from all of the other stuff that HAS to be done, so they can work their minds, their fingers, their agressions out. Sure, I could do NOTHING except climb mountains and work in soup kitchens.

    "Do something more valuable with your time" is a fallacy. I challenge you, post ANYTHING you can imagine, that could not be followed by that sentence. What do I consider a waste of time? Bicycling 20 miles across town. Camping – spending two days in the wilderness doing nothing. Fishing – I dont’ need the fish to eat, and I don’t have the patience to stand around waiting for them to succumb to their demise. Reading a book. Face it, there’s nothing wrong with reading a book, but no matter what book you chose, someone could come up and say "why don’t you read something worthwile instead of wasting your time?"

    Time is never wasted. Time is only spent. The value of that time spent can only be determined by the person who is spending it. For me, spending an entire evening playing Rock Band is absolutely NOT a waste of time, but a very valuable use of my time, spending it with friends and family. So I’m not serving soup. Big freakin’ deal. Let somebody who doesn’t like Rock Band do that.

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    BlitzFitness says:

    I know that many people will likely bring up the recent glut of fitness games as a way that games have made people healthier, but I can think of other ways in which they’ve been a pretty strong influence in my life.

    I remember back in high school I knew that I wanted a career strongly related to science but had no idea which science that was (I was leaning towards meteorology at the time).  So how did I end up as personal trainer working to become a dietetic?  I remember the heavy biological sciences ingrained in PS1 games Metal Gear Solid and Parasite Eve.  I wanted to know how accurately those snippets of information given in the games were.

    I can’t imagine what I’d be doing today if those games hadn’t instigated that curiousity in me.

    As a bonus, I’m still working on my videogame hero superpower which is to run everywhere I go at all times (I still don’t know how they do it!)

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    Phlopsy says:

    1.  Another straw man.  I didn’t say he said kids should never play videogames.  I said he’s using videogames as an example of underachievement and the opposite of what it means to be a real citizen.  Those are his words, interpretation-free.  We don’t need to say what it was "along the lines of".  Read the words, the links are still good. Please argue the point or don’t argue at all. 

    2.  Regardless, using videogames as a crutch when needing to reference lack of responsible parenting or a description of a lack of volunteerism is inappropriate.  Fail to reject being stereotyped now and you lose any credibility to reject it ever. 

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    Phlopsy says:

    1.  I didn’t say he’s going to pass any kind of law – your straw man fails.

    2.  He may not be directing "put away the xbox" to kids, but he is directing that remark to parents.  Almost exactly those words, in fact.  But he is speaking to everyone, me, you, the media, everyone who listens, including we who have a responsibility to disseminate accurate and realistic information about games and gamers, and a responsibility to combat the stereotype the president is embracing and exploiting.  Your contention that some who hear it will ignore it does not mean the speaker is not responsible for the content of his speech. 

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    Monte says:

     1. again, when he says that, tell me where he says that kids should NEVER play video games as opposed to, i don’t know, something more along the lines of, "Don’t play games excessively so that you make sure you have time to study and what not"… i guess his daughters are not real americans (how dare he support unamerican behavior of his children!)

    2. Well yes, putting away the xbox is a good way to make sure your kids go to sleep at a reasonable hour; taking it a way is a sure fire way to get them to stop playing… and God knows that there were plenty of nights where i snuck out of bed while my parents were fast asleep to go play video games, go online, or watch TV… 

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    Quarantine says:

    Actually, what you’ve just said proves that your reply to my post IS an interpretation.

    Obama is merely stating an opinion and it’s not like he’s gonna pass a law where kids would have to read books and go outside instead of play video games. That would be highly illogical.

    And it’s not like he’s speaking to kids saying "Put away the Xbox". He’s speaking to parents out there who do not know how to discipline their own kids and/or are looking for help in raising their kids. Otherwise, parents who think they are raising their kids well will most likely ignore it, or in this case, complain about it.

    That’s my interpretation.

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    "Because this town is under the stranglehold of a few tight eyed Tree Huggers who would rather play Hacky Sack than lock up the homeless" — Birch Barlow

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    Phlopsy says:

    No, it’s not my interpretation, and this doesn’t have to be as far as you recall – click the links above and it’s in black and white.

    1.  He said that kids should learn "what it means to be a real citizen" as opposed to watching TV and playing video games.  So those activities are not what it means to be a real citizen.  What he said is actually worse than how I characterized it.

    2.  He said that taking responsibility for our children and urging them to excel at school "means putting away the xbox and putting our kids to bed at a reasonable hour."  That’s a direct quote, no interpretation of mine.  Again, saying that having responsible parenting habits means depriving children of videogames (yes, along with a bedtime) is worse than how I originally characterized it.

    And I maintain this community would not tolerate this repeated behavior from any other politician. 

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    Quarantine says:

    Mmhmmph.

    Twenty or so years ago, they were saying "Turn off the TV". Now, they’re saying "Turn off the video games", or "Put away the Xbox" :)

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    Monte says:

     No, that is what your personal interpretation of what he’s been saying. 

    He buys video games for his own children; does that sound like the actions of a man who believes that playing video games is a sign of "laziness", "underacheivement", or "poor performance in schools"… Point to me the time he has called video games a waste of time… tell me about when he said that children should NEVER play video games… quote for me when he told parents to throw the game controller in the trash…

    As far as i recall, his message has been "put down the controller and study", which is painfully easy to interpret as simply "kids need to play less (not never), and study more"… nothing more, nothing less… a nice positive message, when you consider that a lot of kids do not study nearly as much as they should.

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    Dragoon1376 says:

    And my reply wasn’t directly in response to jedi’s comment but my own sarcastic take on someone else’s…. you get the idea.  Sorry about that confusion.

    First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

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    Phlopsy says:

    No, that’s NOT all.  He’s repeatedly using videogames as a metaphor for laziness, underachievement and poor performance in education. No one should be allowed to do that, regardless of what a nice guy you apparently think he is. You would not let an old conservative guy get away with it, and you shouldn’t let him get away with it either. 

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    Quarantine says:

    Agreed. And besides, a lot of idiots play video games.

    Every single person I know in an online game fails when it comes to common sense. So the idea of banning video games might not be such a bad idea. It doesn’t mean that only idiots play video games, but when the ratio of dumb to logical gamers you meet online is 1 to nothing, it kind of makes you wonder…

    Obama is just trying to encourage parents to prevent their kids from becoming psychologically retarded. That’s all.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    He isn’t rocking Congress because Congress is a (supposedly) filibuster-proof Democrat majority, and most of them want Obama’s policies put into place.  Obama isn’t right-of-center in any way, at least from the American perspective (which, as a matter of American politics, is the only one that matters, as it is American lives that will be affected the most).  He is a liberal Democrat, as his rhetoric and proposed policies prove.

    However, you’re absolutely right on your last point.  He isn’t going to be anything huge either way, because if he goes too far left, the 2010 mid-term elections are going to put in a lot of Republicans to Congress, and he’ll either have to be more centrist, or be made a lame-duck President.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    I wasn’t referring to anyone being racist.  I was responding to Shahab calling AL racist because AL doesn’t agree with Obama’s policies.  I want Shahab to explain that point (knowing he won’t because he’s obviously a moron).  I think the confusion is from the haphazard nesting on GP.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Krono says:

    See, the thing is, both sides have been talking health insurance not health care all along starting from the presidential debates. This is not something new. So you holding it up as proof he’s in bed with special interests isn’t particularly impressive.

    -Gray17

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    Jedidethfreak wasn’t calling me racist, nor was he attempting to ignore my argument claim; he was calling someone else racist.

    But I agree with what you said.

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    Let me explain it better then.

    Observe; if one wanted to make REAL, meaningful health care reform, one would say that healthcare was free to all (as it often is if you can’t afford procedures; there are miles after miles of groups that will pay for you in almost EVERY state.)  However, he won’t do that; he wants to provide ‘insurance’, which will decide what care you can and cannot recieve.  And why?  Because the other way would put the insurance groups, one of the very powerful groups that donate money in every election, out of business.

    This isn’t about change, really.  It’s about maintaining the status quo while redistributing the wealth.

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    Krono says:

    "Also, that proof was relevant to him being the bitch of special interests."

    If you think that’s proof, your standards are dropping.

    -Gray17

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    Dragoon1376 says:

    Oh! Could I play the race card too if anyone disagrees with me?

    Sorry, not everything has to do with Obama’s skin color or his mixed heritage.  Because someone disagrees/criticizes/attacks his policies and character, to attempt to dismiss it as a racist attack cheapens and retards any attempts at meaningful discussion.  Also, it marks you as a jackass that should be ignored in books.  It’s about as idiotic as the "think of the children" or "if it saves one life" arguments that are used as a retort. 

    If you want truncated psuedo-logic stick to reality TV or your party games on Wii.  If not, come back with something meaningful to say and we’ll have a debate.

    First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

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    jedidethfreak says:

    He’s racist because he disagree’s with the President’s policies?  You’re gonna have to explain that one.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    JustChris says:

    Pandering to the lobbyists has made Obama slightly right of center, politically speaking, in his actions. So while he is not being the amazing guy some people make him out to be he is not exactly rocking the boat in congress either.

    Many people on either side of the spectrum are having a hard time believing this and think he’s going to be something huge, either for better or worse.

    GameSnooper

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    Yeah, I’m the racist.  Surely, it’s not Obama.  No, he just suggested that a cop acted ‘stupidly’ for arresting a belligerent man, just because said belligerent man happened to be black.  But no, you’re so smart sounding, the only thing you can say is ‘racist’ when people disagree.

    Also, that proof was relevant to him being the bitch of special interests. 

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    Shahab says:

    Please, you are the retard. You sound like a bitter, racist, little bitch. You are speaking right out of your ass, and your "proof" that he would ban video games is that he’s using the word insurance instead of health care? About legislation that isn’t even up for vote yet. Fucking idiot. Keep regurigitating right wing dogma, it sure makes you sound smart.

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    Neo_DrKefka says:

     Why do people keep injecting Republicans like McCain? I don’t even know how he won as he did. Like I said when he won and it was still between Obama and Hillary whoever won a Democrat would come out. 

    McCain might as well join the ranks of the Democratic Party. What they thought since he was favored by the media people would go towards McCain? Why did the media love McCain because he always went against Republicans and then when he went against the choosen one well we all know what happened.

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    Krono says:

    They’ve been talking health insurance not health care since the presidential campaign. Go back and look at the debates, both McCain and Obama talk primarily about how to help people with health insurance.

    About the only difference now is that Obama’s starting to cave to the Hilary Clinton "universal health care" crowd.

    -Gray17

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    Adamas Draconis says:

    1) I couldn’t i was making $150 a week/$600 a month at the time. That being before bills like rent, food, power,water etc etc. It took me 2 YEARS to pay it off.

    2) Aparently 150 a week was too much to qualify for medicare.

     

     

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    Question.

    1) If you can’t afford insurance, how can you come up with 1700 in one sitting?  I know people who have decent health care for 42 dollars a week.  Hell, I know people who have FREE healthcare, but that’s a different story.

    2) If you couldn’t afford it (which it seems you could), why didn’t you turn to medicaid or medicare?

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    Adamas Draconis says:

    So you have insurance great. I don’t. When I had to go the hospital a couple years ago with a temp of 103.8 due to influenza I got charged $1200 for sitting in a fucking waiting room for 6 hours and another $500 for a shot of antibiotics (that does fuck all against a virus) so $1700 out of my pocket for NOTHING but a piece of paper saying that I couldn’t work for 4 days. 

     

     

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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    jedidethfreak says:

    I would normally agree with you, but charging people hundreds of dollars per bottle to cover the cost of future research while posting billions of dollars of profits a year isn’t cool, period.  Profits come AFTER paying for research, so I’d have to assume they could trim some of that cost down for the consumer.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    Which is why America has the highest cancer survival rate, and why I only pay 75 dollars whenever I see a doctor, no matter how many tests they run.  Oh, I also pay 1/100th the costs of any procedure.

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    Bennett Beeny says:

    All I can say is that I’ve lived under the British system for twenty years and the US system for twenty years.  The British system gives better care faster and is much cheaper.  Anyone who argues that a single payer plan will be wasteful and inefficient has never lived under such a system.

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    Krono says:

    If you want cheap drugs, stick to penecillin and aspirin. 

    There’s more cheap drugs than that. That’s why a number of pharamacies these days have a $4 drug list. Sure it’s generics of stuff that’s been out forever, but it’s there.

    -Gray17

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    Dragoon1376 says:

    I think you can take it one step further.  Because pharmaceutical companies have to fall under strict price controls in places like Canada, they can’t spread their future R&R costs all customers, meaning that a disproportionate amount falls on US consumers.  And before anyone even mentions the idea of US price controls, you have to think of the affects it would have in terms of developing new medication.  If you want cheap drugs, stick to penecillin and aspirin. 

    Sorry, there is no free lunch and taxing the "wealthy" is no solution.  If you’re not going to keep what you earn, why bother working your hardest? 

    First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

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    jedidethfreak says:

    Don’t forget that pharmecutical companies, that profit in the billions every year, charge between 50 and 90 percent of the price of their bigger drugs as a "future research" cost, meaning you’re paying for the drugs AND covering the cost of research for a multi-billion-dollar-a-year industry.  Obama’s health care plan does nothing about this, yet is going to bankrupt our nation to cover illegal immigrants, but NOT all of the uninsured citizens of this country.

    Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.

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    Krono says:

    They want to implement a system which basically says if your treatment didn’t do anything to help the patient, you don’t get paid. That would reduce the costs for all americans and it would force medical professionals to really offer better quality care.

    Actually it’d force medical professionals to not see patients with the government insurance. When faced with the prospect of spending assloads of time to manage diabetes patients that don’t want to take insulin, only to not get paid because the patient didn’t do what the doctor said, most doctors will simply not see that patient anymore.

    -Gray17

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    Dragoon1376 says:

    Three major things that are either ignored or discounted by the government when it comes to healthcare reform. 

    1 – Health insurance companies also have anti-fraud practices which accounts for higher costs.  The government does not which has affected its various affliated healthcare programs like the VA.  Private industries find it a necessity to have these measures while the government can continue to raise taxes to cover its costs.  You think $1400 hammers was bad, imagine people trying to game a bloated government healthcare system for a living.

    2 – If someone elects for an experimental or low success rate treatment, why shouldn’t the doctor be paid?  Under a government program, due to a nationwide coverage these treatments will have to ruled out just because they’re not cost effective.  I’m sorry but I think if it’s someone’s health then it’s their call, not the government and the medical professional should be paid for their services whether or not the treatment works.  To do otherwise retards the medical process and prevents those that are willing to take the risk from being treated/cured. 

    3 – How about a cap on medical malpractices suits and other frivolous lawsuits.  Doctors/hospitals need insurance with as sue happy the American public has become.  How much of a hospital’s budget is spent on lawyers, insurance, and other legal necessities to defend against lawsuits that can be considered as a morbid kind of lottery.

    Also, just because I’m critical of Obama and his policies doesn’t mean I’m a fanboy of Bush/Cheney either.  If I see a cliff coming up, I’m going to try and turn before I get to it instead of running head long over it like some Looney Toons character in the hopes that there’s something else there. 

    First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

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    Phlopsy says:

    He said videogames. Why are you making an assumption that he meant something different than what he said? 

    How is anti-game rhetoric not anti-game?

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    questionmark1987 says:

    I think he’s using videogames as a way to shorten the phrase "staying inside and not exercising or learning about things like volunteering etc." into a word that can be used in speeches. I would like him to change his choice of word but I don’t think he is specifically anti-game.

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    Michael Chandra says:

    Uh, yeah, I often disagree with Austin but this time he kinda was spot on. You gonna claim racism for this statement?

    Seriously, all those guys who keep shouting "RACISM!" at the top of their lungs don’t CARE about equality, all you care about is boosting your own ego and ‘supporting’ the ‘poor surpressed’ people. You fucking racists.

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    DarkSaber says:

    Nobody mentioned race. Your strawman fails.
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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    So only black people can be crackheads now?  Really?  Only black people can live in the ghetto areas downtown?  And somehow, I’m the racist? Yeah, I love the hypocrisy.  You’re SEARCHING for racism.  Do you hang out with that jackass N’Gai Croal or whatever his name is?  Because you two have some very common themes.  I bet you see racism in Farcry2, Resident Evil 5, and even civil war games, don’t you?

    I was actually talking about ALL the people who sit on their asses and take welfare money, red, yellow, black, and white.  I’m an equal opportunity insulter; I dislike all the people who take tax money for nothing, especially since I seem to be paying a lot more of that than most people. 

    Back to my earlier point, you’re searching for racism.  God knows you don’t have anything else to offer the conversation.

     

    EDIT

    On a related note, maybe you should read exactly WHERE and WHEN this speech was made before you talk about racism.  It was made at a NAACP speech.  Guess what group it was directed at and tailored for?  Have fun with that, racist.

    EDIT #2

    By the way, the whole ‘leafy greeny spendy money’ line is from Squidbillies, which is a show about Georgian HILLBILLIES.  You know what race HILLBILLIES are, don’t you retard? But no, don’t let the facts get in the way; I was obviously talking about poor black people. 

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    Shahab says:

    Ha, right there, you reveal the racism in your dislike of Obama. Saying that the "welfare taking crack fiends"(I think we know who you mean) are not the people Obama is admonishing, being "one of those people", right?

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    Oh yeah, so the gamers that Obama maligns and suggests to be ‘underachievers’ are the ones with responsibilties, but those lazy crackheads downtown have no responsibilities except to get their mail once a month for some foodstamps or a ‘leafy greeny spendy money’ check.

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    Phlopsy says:

    Yes, the rampant racism is still so bad, it will still be many, many years before we ever elect a black president.

     

    Right? If we won’t move beyond this lame ploy now, we never will. 

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    KayleL says:

    You’ll be surprised how bad racism still is in the US. I live in Canada, and I admit that there is still quite a bit of racism. You will hear a racist joke here and there. But when I went to the States, there was such a clear line of where the black people are, and where the white people are. When my family was walking down the streets full of black people, we were stared down the whole time. That didn’t stop till we got to the white people area. This was all too common through out our trip from New York to Washinton DC. Baltimore was the worst. I felt bad for the black tourist who were stared down since everywhere that was nice was white dominate.

    Then there are people who are in denial about racism. The most laughable comment I heard was "Us American’s aren’t racist. As long as they know their place".

    I saw all this only in New York and Maryland. I could on imagine how bad it would be in the southern states where it’s well known for the racism.

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    Flamespeak says:

    1) You are talking about a nation that still has a great amount of racism.

    Really? You really think this is a big reason for his slide in approval ratings? Racism exists, no denying it, but it is hardly as rampant as you make it out to be.

    2) 2) Conservative supporters wouldn’t like a Liberal president, even if it’s a good one. And you have a lot of conservative people.

    I disagree. The most hardcore of the conservative folk would support Obama openly and freely if he actually accomplished positive goals while in office. Making it mandatory for people to have insurance is hardly a positive goal. Neither is creating a value added tax.

    3) The economy is in a recession. Historically, presidential ratings are usually low at those times.

    This is true. It is the biggest complaint people are having with Obama right now. Even though the president has next to nothing to do with the economy, the concept of just shoveling money into a broken system with a ‘trust me, this will work’ attitude has won him no fans when it did absolutely nothing to fix the problem but did cost trillions of tax payer dollars. I would say this is where he got the bulk of his negative criticism. That and the fact that he is spending so much time overseas instead of trying to stay state side and iron out problems. His latest actions in criticizing the police have gotten plenty of people pissed at him too.

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    nighstalker160 says:

    The overall poll show 49% approve and 50% disapprove. Of course, a statistical margin of error of 2-3% means that its a statistical dead-tie.

    It could be anywhere from 46-53 to 52-47.

    Additionally, as the article points out, the Rasmussen poll samples "likely voters" not "registered voters" and not a generalized random sample.

    Obama’s most enthusiastic supporters are young adults who have the lowest voter turnout. They did, however, turn out fairly significantly in the last election. That has not, however, been reflected in the "likely voter" since they are still statistically the lowest turnout.

    The HIGHEST turnout is among senior citizens who tend to skew conservative. These voters, as the "most likely," are disproprotionally represented in the poll.

    So what you have is a poll, which overrepresents the people who are LEAST likely to approve of Obama STILL showing a dead 50/50 tie (statistically speaking).

    Makes you wonder what the result would be if the people who actually turned out and voted for Obama were appropriately represented doesn’t it? A poll weighted to be anti-Obama (through no fault of Rasmussen, polling likely voters is perfectly acceptable) still turns out a 50/50 tie.

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    SounDemon says:

    Gallup is far more trusted than Rasmussen; you’re going to have to pull a better one than that, my dear sir.

    Also:

    1. Nobody thinks Obama is the messiah,

    2. I don’t watch MSNBC

    3. Learn to English.

    4. STOP DRINKING PAINT, IT’S BAD FOR YOU.

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    Krono says:

    "but sadly even the most trusted polling reports, report him as below 50%"

    Sorry, but I trust Gallup more than Rasmussen reports as far as polling goes.

    -Gray17

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    KayleL says:

    1) You are talking about a nation that still has a great amount of racism. 2) Conservative supporters wouldn’t like a Liberal president, even if it’s a good one. And you have a lot of conservative people. 3) The economy is in a recession. Historically, presidential ratings are usually low at those times.

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    GoodRobotUs says:

    Not being funny, sometimes you make valid points, but the moment you start talking about Obama as ‘Your Saviour’ and other such ridiculous statements that sound like they’ve been ripped off from Anne Coulter, it really does reduce the validity of anything meaningful you have to say.

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    SounDemon says:

    "Obama is too busy telling women that THEIR mothers who are too OLD under his forced national healthcare instead of getting surgery they need to liVe they should just "eat pain killers"."

    Try using spellcheck next time.

    You are an idiot. He was suggesting THE POSSIBILITY of her not needing the surgery. OH DEARS.

     

    "This is a waste of time. Obama does not listen to people; that is why is approval ratings are under 50%. Even George W Bush had higher ratings thAN him at this point. Your savior has failed you all."

    Continue to try using spellcheck next time.

    Thus, it bears repeating that you have as much brains as a bag full of ramen. His current gallup approval rating is 56%. It would be nice for you to stop drinking the shit coffee peddled at Fox News and actually SOURCE YOUR CLAIMS.

    Also, go back to drinking paint.

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    questionmark1987 says:

    "You’re savior has failed you all"

    He’s only been in office 6 months, he hasn’t DONE anything yet. All the legislation and policies he has passed haven’t started yet. They won’t for a few months even. The healthcare legislation wouldn’t start until at least a year after it was passed and it would be a slow phasing process.

    As for the "health insurance not health care" comment, if you don’t get how not having health insurance affects someone’s healthcare you’re in a MUCH better financial position then the other 95% of America. Even with current private health insurance many people can’t afford proper healthcare. Part of Obama’s plan (if it ever makes it through legislation) is to cut back on the amount of money doctor’s are able to charge for thier services, especially when it comes to being paid through medicaid. They want to implement a system which basically says if your treatment didn’t do anything to help the patient, you don’t get paid. That would reduce the costs for all americans and it would force medical professionals to really offer better quality care.

     

    Frankly people that are judging him this early are still sadly stuck in the bush/cheney are god/jesus mentality and need a reality check.

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    Neo_DrKefka says:

     Obama is too busy telling women that there mothers who are too older under his forced national healthcare that instead of getting surgery they need to extend life they should just, "eat pain killers"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/21/video-let-them-eat-painkillers/&feature=player_embedded

    This is a waste of time Obama does not listen to people that is why is approval ratings are under 50% even George W Bush had higher ratings them him at this point. Your savior has failed you all

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    Monte says:

     Isn’t that essentially what Obama has been doing? He hasn’t been introducing legislation against games, but has been telling PARENTS to make sure their kids don’t spend too much time playing video games, telling them to make sure their kids study more and what not… I mean, when he says kids need to play less games but doesn’t talk about the gov’t doing anything, who do you think he expects to get kids to play less games? who do you think he is talking to when he makes those statements? Most of what he’s been saying pretty much amounts to parental responsibility. 

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    Erik says:

    Maybe the site will go back up if Obama does something stupid on an epic and historical level of stupid.  Like invade a country to find nonexistant weapons.  Of course giving away our tax dollars to these failure corporations so they can continue to fail is close.  But really nothing says historical douche like outright invading a country.  Ask Rome about that one.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

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    Neo_DrKefka says:

     Your right like all those Bush is Hitler Rants that went on years and year here and a good number of Bush flash games, hey where are Obama flash games? Bias? Oh I noticed Whitehouse.org is no longer up since there guy won 😉

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    ‘Games should be a means of having, not an escape from real life nor should they be used as an escape by student for NOT doing their homework for school. A certain balance needs to be observed here; homework first, then you get to play videogames.’

    Nor should Obama continue to use them as an escape from the blame that needs to be placed on parents.

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    DarkSaber says:

    Because all gamers are students/children who should be doing their chores and homework before playing, amirite?

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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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    Karsten Aaen says:

    Of course, video games can benefit you; you can learn how to be creative and to immersive yourself into other worlds – in fact you can do this so much that you completely forget the real world with all its trivial and mundane tasks. Like cleaning, homework, and doing the dishes and taking out the trash.

    Games should be a means of having, not an escape from real life nor should they be used as an escape by student for NOT doing their homework for school. A certain balance needs to be observed here; homework first, then you get to play videogames.

     

     

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    nighstalker160 says:

    I agree, I wonder if when Obama refers to video games he’s thinking of "Brain Age" or other puzzle games.

    I also wonder if Obama would be so willing to say "Turn of the DVD player." It’s just this mentality of videogames, ALL videogames, as not being worthwhile pursuits.

    Certainly there are some games that are just plain old pointless gratutitous fun. But there are movies like that too (Saw, Hostel, most romantic comedies) and then there are movies like "Saving Private Ryan" or "Citizen Kane." I know the biggest thing I hear from my mother is:

    "Video GAME, it’s a GAME, you wouldn’t play it if it wasn’t for fun and I don’t think you should be having fun playing war games while we have soldiers REALLY dying in Iraq."

    When I point out that you don’t go see a movie like "Saving Private Ryan" or "Black Hawk Down" to have "FUN" necessarily she replies with "but those aren’t GAMES."

     

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    DeusPayne says:

    I’d just like to interject that this should not start into an Obama doing good or bad flamewar. This is about his misuse of video games (and really media in general) in claiming it is the cause of obesity. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to improve in whatever way he believes is correct. But it is wrong to misrepresent an entire industry to push those ideas.

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    Austin_Lewis says:

    Are you retarded?  He’s entirely a political tool.  He’d ban anything if he thought it would win him re-election.  He’s beholden to the lobbyists and interest groups moreso than any president I’ve seen in a long while.  My proof?  He’s talking about health INSURANCE, not  health CARE.

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