German Government To Consider Petition Filed by Gamers
German Government To Consider Petition Filed by Gamers
July 27, 2009
Who says online petitions are a waste of bandwidth?
Earlier this month, GamePolitics reported on a petition posted to the official internet forum of the Bundestag (the German Parliament) opposing a plan by Interior Ministers to ban video games "where the main part is to realistically play the killing of people or other cruel or un-human acts of violence against humans or manlike characters."
The petition passed 50,000 signatures about two weeks ago meaning the German government will be required to review and discuss its requests. Granted, this does not mean that the ban will ultimately be reversed, but it is a step in the right direction. The petition itself reads:
The German Bundestag should decide against the decision of the interior minister conference from the 5th of June, that aims for a ban of action computer games. As an adult citizen and a person eligible to vote, I beg you firmly;
To erase the irritating and discriminating term of 'killerspiele' [killer game] from political discussion.
To strengthen the trust of the public in existing national youth protection mechanics.
To improve and warrant the execution of existing laws, that ensure kids and the youth only get access to video games and computer games rating according the USK.
To support parents and educationally responsible persons in the advancement of media competence.
To promote the computer games and video games industry in Germany and especially the training of these promising professions.
Via: GameZine
Reporting from San Diego, GamePolitics Correspondent Andrew Eisen...
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Posted 03/20/10 at 10:32pm
Aliasalpha: Ding dong the witch is dead eh? Maybe we'll finally be treated as adults here and women can have small tits again!
Aliasalpha: Ding dong the witch is dead eh? Maybe we'll finally be treated as adults here and women can have small tits again!
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:28pm
JDKJ: Survey says no opinion either way. But approval is high among wombats.
JDKJ: Survey says no opinion either way. But approval is high among wombats.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:25pm
BearDogg-X: JDKJ: What does the wallabies and crocodiles think of Skippy?
BearDogg-X: JDKJ: What does the wallabies and crocodiles think of Skippy?
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:24pm
Andrew Eisen: Beardogg-X - Not staunchly, no. However, only one AG has gone on record as supporting an R18+ rating. The rest either stated no position or declined to comment.
Andrew Eisen: Beardogg-X - Not staunchly, no. However, only one AG has gone on record as supporting an R18+ rating. The rest either stated no position or declined to comment.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:23pm
JDKJ: Of 437 koala bears surveyed, 420 disagree with choice of Skippy for interim AG.
JDKJ: Of 437 koala bears surveyed, 420 disagree with choice of Skippy for interim AG.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:21pm
BearDogg-X: With Atkinson stepping down, the question now becomes was there any other AG besides him that was against R18+? His stepping down does make R18+ more likely to be approved.
BearDogg-X: With Atkinson stepping down, the question now becomes was there any other AG besides him that was against R18+? His stepping down does make R18+ more likely to be approved.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:18pm
Andrew Eisen: Well, Adelaide readers seem pleased with Atkinson's decision. 420 out of 437.
Andrew Eisen: Well, Adelaide readers seem pleased with Atkinson's decision. 420 out of 437.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:15pm
JDKJ: BREAKING: Vacant Aussie AG post to be filled by Skippy, the Bush Kangaroo.
JDKJ: BREAKING: Vacant Aussie AG post to be filled by Skippy, the Bush Kangaroo.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:12pm
Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Gamecube and Xbox came out in late 2001 with contollers pretty similar to the Dual Shock. You never know thoug. This Fall may be when the standard controller changes from the Dual Shock to a motion wand. *shudder*
Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Gamecube and Xbox came out in late 2001 with contollers pretty similar to the Dual Shock. You never know thoug. This Fall may be when the standard controller changes from the Dual Shock to a motion wand. *shudder*
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:09pm
Flamespeak: at a quicker rate these days.
Flamespeak: at a quicker rate these days.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:09pm
Flamespeak: I believe that was launched in the first part of 1998. 2 years seems kind of fast too, but then again the world seems to move
Flamespeak: I believe that was launched in the first part of 1998. 2 years seems kind of fast too, but then again the world seems to move
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:05pm
Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Not when you consider Sony's been using the same controller since the PS1.
Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Not when you consider Sony's been using the same controller since the PS1.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:03pm
BearDogg-X: Andrew Eisen: I meant that it won't take as many people to change their votes next election. Besides that, it's become a moot point now that he's stepping down as AG as soon as the election's over.
BearDogg-X: Andrew Eisen: I meant that it won't take as many people to change their votes next election. Besides that, it's become a moot point now that he's stepping down as AG as soon as the election's over.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:02pm
Flamespeak: Seems kind of early considering the PS2 didn't launch until well into 2000.
Flamespeak: Seems kind of early considering the PS2 didn't launch until well into 2000.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:01pm
Andrew Eisen: Fleamespeak - I'd say since around the turn of the century.
Andrew Eisen: Fleamespeak - I'd say since around the turn of the century.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:01pm
BearDogg-X: BREAKING NEWS: Atkinson will step down as South Australia Attorney-General; will remain in Parliament
BearDogg-X: BREAKING NEWS: Atkinson will step down as South Australia Attorney-General; will remain in Parliament
Posted 03/20/10 at 09:59pm
Andrew Eisen: BearDogg-X - Not sure what your point about Atkinson having only 8500 votes is, seeing as that's around 65% (of the total votes counted at the time).
Andrew Eisen: BearDogg-X - Not sure what your point about Atkinson having only 8500 votes is, seeing as that's around 65% (of the total votes counted at the time).
Posted 03/20/10 at 09:57pm
Flamespeak: I remember when the NES controller held that honor and the stand alone one button joystick before that.
Flamespeak: I remember when the NES controller held that honor and the stand alone one button joystick before that.
Posted 03/20/10 at 09:56pm
Flamespeak: artistic rendering of things associated with gaming? Even GP has a rough version of one in their logo.
Flamespeak: artistic rendering of things associated with gaming? Even GP has a rough version of one in their logo.
Posted 03/20/10 at 09:56pm
Flamespeak: Just out of curiosity, when did the PS2 controller become the 'standard' for video game controller representation in most
Flamespeak: Just out of curiosity, when did the PS2 controller become the 'standard' for video game controller representation in most
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First... naw, just kidding. Good, hopefully cooler heads will prevail. Looks like video games are a fair target scape goat everywhere in the world, but at least some countries will engage its populace in open dialogue.
Wow.
Well, it may have worked in Germany, but I guarantee valve still doesn't give a shit that all those entitled bratty children are signing that other petition.
Wow, you sure know how to miss the point of this article.
http://www.magicinkgaming.com/
now doesn't that feel good. It's great to see gamers rally together and give the government a lesson.
Hopefulyl germany will back down from it's Ever increasing facist game policy. I can't help but think that if we could do something similiar in the Us, with are larger number of gamers, we could have a major impact on the poltical side of things in the us. Maybe even get a law passed making it illegal to try and ban video games.
I can only hope that we take a little lesson from this as gamers. We have a voice. We need to learn to use it.
Yukimura is still here. "When he's at his best, he's little less then a man, and when he's at his worst, he's little more then a beast." W.S
We don't need a law that would stop people from trying to ban games. We already have something way better than that. It is called Constitutional rights to free speech granted to us by the First Ammendment to the Constitution.
What wee need are politicians willing to accept Judicial Precedence on it.
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Good luck with that it seems they're only interested in it if it fits in with their ideology, which might be why we still get attempts to ban flag-burning.
I don't agree with all precedent though there's a few cases I think the courts royally screwed up on in terms of 1st amendment protections. Mainly the Bong Hits 4 Jesus case and the one that allows the FCC to still exist.
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Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.
I hope they look at the petition and know that gamers do not want a overall ban on violent games and decide not to. :)
Good job gamer citizens of germany.
Hopefully if the gamers views pass,maybe we should start trying to do almost the same thing here.
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Great job gamers of germany, keep the pressure on your goverment.
http://www.magicinkgaming.com/
Who says online petitions are a waste of bandwidth?
I do. Some time ago a petition protesting a proposed internet filtering law was signed by over 130000 people. It did nothing. The law was passed a few weeks ago anyway, it's planned to go into force in August. The petitions committee announced, that it won't even hear the petition until after the elections next fall, when the law will have been in effect for months.
Getting 50000 people to sign your petition means, that you get to talk to the committee. It doesn't mean that anyone will actually listen, and it doesn't even mean you get to talk to them at a point where someone listening to you could still make a difference. These petitions are pointless. And yet I can already see our politicians on TV in September, lamenting the low voter turnout and increasing disinterest of young people in politics, all the while wondering about the reasons.
You're referring to the internet censorship bill. Yes, a petition opposing the bill garnered 130,000 signatures, was heard by the gov't, and still passed. But, like I said in the article: "Granted, this does not mean that the ban will ultimately be reversed, but it is a step in the right direction."
Andrew Eisen
OMG, he's having a stroke! Someone call 911!
Won't someone think of the children!
Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...
He said he's Germany's favourite writer ;)
I'm particularly fond of the line about "media competence".
Problem is, it won't be judged by things like 'common sense' or 'intelligence' and the other faculties than normal human beings use, because things like 'political leverage' and 'pleasing the lowest common denominator' will always come first to politicians.
So if German politicians decide that the political advantage outweighs common sense, then common sense will inevitably be ignored.