Research: Video Game Characters Lack Ethnic & Gender Diversity

July 30, 2009 -

If you are a white male, the chances are pretty good that you will have something in common with the character you play in your favorite video game.

If you are a woman or ethnic minority, not so much.

At least, that's the conclusion drawn by researchers from the University of Southern California, Indiana University, Ohio University and Virginia Polytechnic. The research is published in the current issue of New Media & Society.

Study leader Dmitri Williams of USC commented on the data:

Latino children play more video games than white children. And they're really not able to play themselves. For identity formation, that's a problem. And for generating interest in technology, it may place underrepresented groups behind the curve.

Ironically, they may even be less likely to become game makers themselves, helping to perpetuate the cycle. Many have suggested that games function as crucial gatekeepers for interest in science, technology, engineering and math.

According to the study, only 3% of video game characters are Hispanic; all of those noted were non-playable characters. Ony 10% of characters are women.

African-Americans are more proportionately represented, but mostly appear in sports games or titles like 50 Cent Bulletproof which represent racial stereotypes.

Via: TG Daily


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Re: Research: Video Game Characters Lack Ethnic & Gender ...

I play a blue elf with purple hair who can turn into a tree.  I wonder what that says about my self-identity..... >.>

Re: Research: Video Game Characters Lack Ethnic & Gender ...

 Maybe it's because someone has to make black people look bad by saying "THAT'S RACIST!" if they put a black character in a game? I'm black too, but I just want to slap the taste out of these people's mouths.

I also don't see why I need a black person forced into a game. I'd rather play an alien anyway.

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In their "3%" of game characters being hispanic how do they take into account for games which take place in worlds where there is and never has been a Spain?  I mean is it really even fair to expect to try for some level of racial-spotlight-time when they have to compete with fucking Argonians?

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By including those games in the 97% of games which don't contain any Hispanic characters, I'd imagine. Not to say it's fair or unfair to expect or not expect anything. Just to say that's how accounting normally works.

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"African-Americans are more proportionately represented, but mostly appear in sports games or titles like 50 Cent Bulletproof which represent racial stereotypes."

So it's racist if they include them and racist if they don't. Ugh.

So many minority groups whine about not being accepted enough, and yet here they are, specifically pointing out the differences between them and the majority, an action which is inherently racist, and then they call us racist. The irony is killing me.

Maybe if more hispanic and black people were involved in game design, we'd see more characters based on them. But forget that point, check this out: According to the study, only 3% of video game characters are Hispanic; all of those noted were non-playable characters.

So what games did they check? I guess they must have missed almost every MMO ever, or even other big titles like Gears of War (Dom is a playable character in multiplayer and co-op, which I guess is better than nothing).

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I'm all for more ladies in video games; especially Asian ones.

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SO THATS WHY I have some crazy identiy crises. 

I grew up playing as a square block that was trying to escape a castle, or a blocky race car driving on a track..shit Ive been a straight line before in other games!

 

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Re: Research: Video Game Characters Lack Ethnic & Gender ...

I'm sneaking in while working to check out this article and comments section (bad boy, BAD boy!).

So I haven't had time yet to read the research in detail.  Not til tonight.

Does it discuss games that now allow you to create your own character with the multitude of diverse capabilities of design from race to gender to other factors?

I know that there aren't a lot, but there do seem to be more coming along more and more often.

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Re: Research: Video Game Characters Lack Ethnic & Gender ...

Someone quoted a portion from the study further up. In the case of a game where it allows the player to select from multiple different main characters, or to create their own character, it was randomly selected.

So there you go. 

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The reason for this is simple.  You write what you know.  You don't want to write about something you have only passing familairity of, or you'll be accused of being a hack, or stereotyping etc.

If all I know of black culture is BET, I'm not going to be qualified to create a diverse, and deep black character.

You want more diversity in video game protagonists, get more diversity in video game development and production.

But that involves a host of other social issues that you just can't point a finger at.  So these guys would rather just point a finger and say, "Do better" instead of bothering to search for solutions to what truly is affecting minorities and is preventing them (if at all) from entering realm of video game development.

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"According to the study, only 3% of video game characters are Hispanic; all of those noted were non-playable characters."

What about Ramiro Cruz in Total Overdose and Chili Con Carnage?

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And every time someone attempts to put a hispanic, or african-american, or female, or middle eastern character into a major role in a game, that character gets picked apart by whatever ethnic or gender group their from, and then the gaming community gets told "that character wasn't good enough".

Who's the ones creating the games in the first place?  Mostly white males who don't normally live or work within the minority communities.  And where do they get the blueprints for their characters?  From what they see as the basis of their respective cultures.  So, when a white male sees a slew of rap videos, mostly by african-americans, and they see the clothing styles, the attitudes, the percieved culture, and then goes out into the public, and seees that same percieved culture played out in public, what are they to think? 

Or how about when that same person speaks to a large number of asians, and every one he talks to has a very thick asian accent, how do you think he'll depict them in a game?  Just how many people in Japan have had enough exposure to the Latino culture to create a hispanic character that correctly represents the Latino community?  How many times have we seen games from Japan with laughable caucasian characters built on stereotypes? 

The bottom line is that the cultural diversity within the games themselves will almost always be equal to the culutural diversity and awareness of those making the games, and there's only two ways to increase the current diversity level, either bring in more people from each culture, or bring in experts from each culture to "guide" the developmental process.

And don't forget that fact that, even when a culture is represented correclty, somebody will still find a problem with them "not having enough screen time" or "not being relateable enough"...

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I didn't need a study to tell me that.

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AHA.

'A large-scale content analysis of characters in video games was employed to answer questions about their representations of gender, race and age in comparison to the US population. The sample included 150 games from a year across nine platforms, with the results weighted according to game

sales.'

 

So, they analyzed characters in 150 video games from one year.  Interesting.  So, it seems like they picked and chose which games they looked at, because it's obvious they didn't randomize, nor did they pick by popularity.  And exactly how did they weight the games 'relative to sales'?  It would seem that the race of the character or the gender (or age) has nothing to do with sales.

This whole thing reeks of bullshit and poor methodology.

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Don't forget the fact that you almost can't track used game sales, so their sales-based and buyer-race-based numbers are automatically wrong.

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Re: Research: Video Game Characters Lack Ethnic & Gender ...

No, it reeks of bias and partiality.  I wouldn't call this a "study", I'd call it "let's fix some numbers so we can have something to quote when we try to push our agenda..."

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How to get a group represented in ANY media product that I feel is "under-represented":

A.  Throw a temper tantrum, call everyone already in the business a bigot because they don't ALREADY provide representation of every possible diversity in existance, and demand that they DO provide whatever group I demand they do, whether they want to or not.

or

B.  Get the education and experience necessary to create my own bleeping product with the diversity of groups that I feel are "under-represented" and get it out to the public myself.

I like B better.  But apparently, some folks like A.

Go figure.

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Because anyone can finance the production of a feature-length film or the launching a CATV channel with the loose change that's fallen between their sofa cushions. It's that simple.

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Things needed to make a movie:

 

1.  A video camera of some sort.

2.  Friends or Colleagues to play roles.

3.  Hands to hold said camera.

 

 

Doesn't cost that much to make a movie.

 

Pawn shop for one, but ifen you don't have 2 or 3, then you have more problems than worrying about the diversity of races in movies.

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That will work as long as you want to make a shitty indie movie that will be shown in some coffee house to some uptight twats who will pretend to like it so they can continue their illusion of being trendy.

Now before someone attempts to jump on my shit and say that I am saying that these people are deserving of anything further than this, no I am not.  But if the "less fortunate" can squeeze you to further their goals they will.  And there is no reason for them NOT to.  Sort of how capitalism works.  Fuck everyone over for your own gain.

Also, "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is a really retarded utterance on behalf of those who buy into the farce of the so called "American Dream".  Saying to people in the gutters that if they work hard they can make something of themselves is really giving them false hope.  Many will not work hard at all and will make it big.  Others will kill themselves working their asses off and end up in some unmarked grave.  When it comes down to it life is one big random joke.

To sum things up: No you do not deserve access to the goods needed to produce such media.  But if you can get it then go for it.  Work hard, or don't work at all.  Random chance will choose the winners from each group, everyone else gets unmarked graves.

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Because anyone can write a story and get it published as an Independant.

Because anyone, after a proper education, even by reading books from a library, can develop, program, and distribute a video/computer game or other software package as an independant, which, thereby gains attention and experience to possibly be hired by other major league companies.

Because anyone can write, produce, record, and distribute a short film, a series of episodes, and even music videos online such as Google Video and YouTube.

Because anyone stands the chance of being noticed if they WORK at it rather than expecting it to be HANDED to them because they simply believe they deserve to have it just handed to them.

Atheletes learned this long ago.  You don't just appear in the professional sport arena.  You get yourself noticed through education and practice in what you plan on specializing in.

Musicians do the same thing.  They ALL have somewhere to start.  Sometimes it's a crappy starting point.  Sometimes they think they'll never be noticed.  Sometimes they aren't.  Some work themselves to death and never get noticed.  Others work hard just for 15 minutes of fame.

In certain issues, such as the legal arena, I respect the heck out of you JDKJ.  I wouldn't routinely direct legal questions to you if I didn't believe you had reasonable or above average knowledge in that field.  Definitely more than myself.

But other times, like now, you seriously make me shake my head in disgust at some of the nonsense you've said (and, yes, I know many have said the same about me).

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How do I shoot and edit my video production if I can't afford to buy or rent video production and editing equipment?

How do I develop a videogame if I can't afford access to a fairly powerful computer?

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It's called borrowing from a friend.

It's called working to earn the money for even cheap equipment to get one's feet wet in the business.

This is one of the problems with that babbling that Obama made earlier this week.  He made it sound like people had to start at the top and there was nothing reasonable "below".

You can't be a Doctor without learning anatomy, biology, and other important subjects.

You also don't go from being in High School to being a superstar Surgeon.

And not everyone who becomes a superstar surgeon had access to surgical simulators (computer or other devices).

You also don't go to work as a chef at a 5 star restaurant simply because you tell them you can boil water and believe you should be given the job.

If you have to start your career with a camera phone, then do it.  Work with what you have and PROVE you deserve the chance.  Not everyone who deserves the chance GETS their chance. 

How powerful a computer was needed to create Super Columbine Massacre RPG?  It got noticed.  Not completely in a positive way, but it was NOTICED.  Work to build something that can be noticed, even with something less than top quality.

Very few, if any, of the top people in today's industry had their earliest start with GTA or Titanic.  they worked their way up.  Very few start out with their first work being world changing material.

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"It's called borrowing from a friend."

 Because everyone has a friend that has the stuff they need. Amirite?

Besides, when I asked my friend if I could borrow his nuclear reactor to help with my physics studies, he said no. Same as the time I asked him if I could practice bypass-surgery on him. Friends are dicks and selfish.

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I don't have the money to get my son into Harvard.

None of my friends have the money to get my son into Harvard.

I think my son deserves to get into Harvard just 'cuz.

Everyone should be allowed into Harvard just 'cuz.

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I don't have the super computer or programming knowledge to make the computer game -I- want produced.  So YOU have to make it for me, just 'cuz I think I deserve the Right to DEMAND that you make the game -I- want it made.  You don't have the Right to deny me.  If you do, then you're a bigot.  Don't argue back.  You don't have the Right.  You're a bigot if you do.  YOU have to do what I demand or the whole industry suffers accusations of bigotry and discrimination.

It has to be done MY way!  There is NO OTHER WAY!

:: Stomps feet like a bratty child. ::

To heck with the idea if you won't do it and I can't, then it doesn't get done.  It HAS to be done BY YOU because -I- say so.  Otherwise you're just mean and hateful and people shouldn't like you!

So there!  :P

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Really, is that an attitude I should really have?

Seriously, I prefer the "Someone else hasn't done it, so I'll do it myself.  And I'll do whatever it takes to get it done.  If one solution doesn't work, then I'll find another one.".

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Who gives 2 shits about Harvard. OR your son?

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Re: Research: Video Game Characters Lack Ethnic & Gender ...

Then who gives 2 shits about what YOU want in a luxury leisure time item like a video/computer game, movie, or TV show?

If you're too damn lazy a bum to find a way to WORK, whether through a job or going out and making connections with other people, then it's your own damn loss.

We aren't talking about the necessities of life like food, shelter, or even basic education.

We're talking about a luxury leisure time item.

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Re: Research: Video Game Characters Lack Ethnic & Gender ...

When did what I "want in a luxury leisure time item like a video/computer game, movie, or TV show" enter this discussion.

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Re: Research: Video Game Characters Lack Ethnic & Gender ...

That's what this whole article and argument is about.

It's an issue about individuals or groups of individuals wanting one thing or another represented in video/computer games (or even movies, TV shows, etc).

They believe others should do for them, basically the argument being "just 'cuz".

If those already in the industry don't do things their way, then they are bigots or at least it's implied as such.

You think race, gender, sexuality and even religion are the only under represented groups?

My argument is that people shouldn't be whining that others aren't doing things the way they want them to.  They should be finding ways to get it done themselves.

There is no one solution. Don't have the equipment?  Don't have friends with the equipment?  Having trouble finding a job?  Believe it or not, there are MANY folks with those same problems.  Do they say "Oh well, I've tried everything so someone owes me."  At least THEY tried.  But many don't even bother to try other options or come up with other solutions.  Many just start out by arguing that they are owed something Just 'Cuz.

Just simply dredging up that the person is poor or helpless isn't going to cut it any more than Just 'Cuz is.  Prove that you've gone the extra distance and tried to work to get the results you want, and then MAYBE, you'll stand a better chance of earning that outside help.

An old addage of "You can't help someone who won't help themselves" should have an axiom of "You SHOULDN'T help someone who wont' try to help themselves first."

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There are any number of areas in which the old "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" advice simply does not apply because there are no available bootstraps on which to pull. For example, if the claim is that the NBA team owners, despite an overabundance of African American players on the court, are not hiring a nearly proportionate or representative number of African Americans in front office positions, is "pulling yourself up by the bootstraps" a viable solution to this problem? Yes, you could glibly respond with the old "start or buy your own franchise and then you can staff it with whomever you choose," but is starting or buying a NBA team, given the many millions of dollars needed to do so and the fact that doing so is in large part a function of first obtaining franchise rights from the league and all the other necessary approvals, really a readily available solution? Of course it isn't. Hence, there are no bootstraps on which to pull. A more readily available and more viable response is to demand of the team owners that they hire more African Americans in front office positions. And the demand is not being made "jus' cuz." The demand is being made because if the league is willing to benefit off the backs of players on the court, then it should also be willing to give those players some meaningful chance of moving on to managerial positions once their careers on the courts have ended. Or should they simply be exploited for their on-court skills and then discarded when they no longer serve a useful purpose to the team owners? 

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I've always wanted to argue this particular case as being the ultimate hypocritical argument.

"An overwhelming majority of players in sport-x are African Americans."

"An overwhelming majority of owners in sport-x are European Americans."

"Therefore, there is only an under representation ov African Americans in sport-x ownership."

What happened to the "There is an under representation of European American players in sport-x, as already admitted to in the first sentence."?

The logical answer should actually be "The best of the best, regardless of race, gender, or other such factor, have been chosen for these positions.  If someone better comes along that has proven they can do better, then they should replace those already existing there."

This garbage about "There is a disproportionate number of so-n-so there, and so what if the best individuals are there, there HAS to be a quota set, regardless of character and competancy." is nothing more than ignorant bigotry.  One does not fight bigotry with bigotry.

Take the recent case of the Fire department personnel.  The best were turned away because of quota.  That doesn't mean those who were GIVEN the position were failures.  But that the best based on proven competency were turned away.  And in the eyes of some, that's acceptable because all that matters to them are numerical proportion in their own biased favor. 

But what happens when something terrible happens during the reign of those GIVEN the position?  Will we be looking at their competency then?  Will we be asking "Did this happen because we put an individual in a position that they weren't competent to handle this specific situation?"?  Or will we just say "Oh well, stuff happens.  We met our quota and that's all that matters."  or "Hey, if it hadn't been disproportionate to begin with, this wouldn't have happened!  So it's that other group's fault!"

The further we move towards the "I deserve special attention 'cuz I'm (a specific race, gender, sexuality, disability, religion, etc) rather than because I'm competet or could be competent if I worked for it", the further away from True Equality and Non-Discrimination.

You can argue all you want about "I deserve because I'm <fill in the blank with whatever irrelevancy you want>", but in the end, it means you don't intend to EARN what you seek.

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You know something, nightywind2K? For someone who's not stupid, you come up with a lotta dumb shit.

You think that the majority of team owners in major league sports ascended to that position on the basis of their merit and worth for the position? GTFOH. They got there in most all cases on the strength of one single attribute: they had a shitload of money. And in many of those cases, it's not even money they themselves earned. It's they Daddy's money. George Bush II, who may well be one of the biggest idiots to walk the face of the Earth and was about as sorry at business as one can possibly be, owned a baseball team in Texas. You think he ended up owning a baseball team in Texas on the strength of his merits for the position?

And, as an aside, do you really think his moronic ass could have ever gotten into Yale if his father wasn't a Yale alumnus? And do you think it possible that a more qualified candidate was denied admission to Yale so he could get his legacy spot?

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"And do you think it possible that a more qualified candidate was denied admission to Yale so he could get his legacy spot?"

Do you think it possible that a more qualified candidate was denied admission to a school due to affirmative action policies?  Because I bet that takes up a lot more slots than legacy admissions.

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You'll be pleased to know that affirmative action isn't half as fashionable as it was in the 1970s and 1980s. In fact, at many major and prestigious state universities, it's been abolished or severely curtailed (e.g., the University of California system). This while the use of legacy as a factor in admissions has increased. So, I'd actually bet that at many universities there are currently more legacy spots being awarded than affirmative action spots.

For example, Princeton's self-disclosed legacy admission rate is 40% (4 of 10 admitted students). You think they've got more than 40% affirmative action admissions?

You really need to quit drinking the Limbaugh Kool-Aid and then throwing it up all over the place as if that's any kind of substitute for critical and reasoned thought. Instead, go out and get two facts and rub them together and see what kind of fire you can start on your own. 'Cause here's the bad news: Rush is a moron and your parroting him makes you sound like a moron, too.  

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Because Rush Limbaugh is the only person that ever spoke out against the idiocy that is affirmative action, of course.  And while quite a few schools have done away with it, many have not.

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Yes, but it does appear that the idiocy of the legacy admission should perhaps be your new focus. If you find it unfair that admission be granted on the basis of race and other such factors, then you should also find it unfair that admission be granted on the basis of your old, wrinkled-assed Daddy being an alumnus. There's no more "merit" in the latter than the former. And it does appear, if Princeton's current admissions are any sort of useful indicator, that the use of legacy admissions may well be more prevalent than the use of affrimative action admissions.

Or could it be possible, Mr. Lewis, that what really bothers you about affirmative action is not that it is inherently unfair but that it gives racial minorities a competitive leg-up? While, on the other hand, you see nothing wrong with legacy admission because, by and large, it benefits the children of wealthy white folks?

Have I called you "racist" recently? If not, then consider your memory refreshed.

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Believe me, I think both are more than moronic.  Legacy is how you create scores of fratboy-esque heads of companies.  You can, in some cases, actually watch a series of legacy Ivy League Grads DESTROY, completely, a once great business.  On a related note, I think a lot of fraternities need to be done away with.  They add nothing to a college, and all they do is give jobs to completely unqualified people upon graduation (people who, during their college years, spent all their money and time drinking and trying to figure out how to avoid going to class).

My problem with affirmative action is that it is, inherently, racist (which you noticed, apparently).  Sure, legacy admissions are prevalent at some schools, but I suggest that if we look nationwide at all schools, you'll find more unqualified or less-qualified people are in colleges due to affirmative action than legacy admission. 

While I'm on the subject, I'm also sick of hearing about people buying a building for a school just so there shithead child can get into college.  Schools need to knock that shit off.

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Then here's the trick: bitch about legacy as much as you do affirmative action. Then I'll be left only to conclude that while you bitch a lot, at least you're an equal opportunity bitcher.

And, yes, affirmative action is racist. But at least it's openly so. It's the hidden agenda of which I'm always fearful. That shit'll blindside you, if you ain't careful. 

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+1, but be careful, people don't like it when you call for true equality and not special treatment for their preconcieved group. 

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

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Most sports stars in the NBA, NFL, and such make enough money that when they do retire from the game, they need not worry about working.  Or has that changed?  I really don't get into sports, nor do I really intend to enter the buisness, but it seems to me that I gotta wonder:

Do these athletes have the qualifications for said job?

 

If you're talking about just a regular black person, then do they fit the job requirements?  Would you hire a out of shape fat man to play on your NBA team?  Seems kinda stupid to me, but maybe I'm just not comprehending what you're saying.  Now if said person does fit the job requirements I don't see why race would matter much....but then again, maybe that's just me.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

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If it was truly the case that retired athletes can sit on their asses and never work another day in their lives, I don't think we'd see so many of them pursuing post-game careers as coaches, commentators, pitch-men, etc. Or, perhaps, they'd rather work when they don't have to than sit around on their asses. If it was me, I'd pick sitting around on my ass over needlessly working.

I'd think that having spent a lifetime in a professional sport would begin to qualify someone for a post-player career of some sort in that sport. It's not like they'd be entirely clueless about the business.

Don't you think that a business which derives significant if not all of its profits from the efforts of a particular segment of society owes some sort of moral obligation to hire, as best as possible, members of that segment? If, for example, I've made my fortune selling active sportswear to midgets, designed, manufactured, and marketed by midgets, do you think that if given a choice between an equally qualified midget and a non-midget, I'm not under some moral obligation or compulsion to pick the midget and, in so doing, give something back to the community which has contributed to my financial success?

 

 

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Some is not enough when looking for a person to do a job.  They look for the one's most qualified.  Once again, you're not going to pick the fat man over fit guy for the NBA are you?

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

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LOL!!

As if there's great likelihood that while I don't have a pot to piss in or a window to through it out of, all my friends are wallowing in surplus pots and windows.

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You don't have a pot to piss in, but you care about luxury leisure time products like a video game, movie, or TV show.

Sounds like the old "we've got holes in our roof.  We, including our kids, haven't eaten a decent meal in 2 weeks, and we're about to be evicted.  But HEY!  We got this really cool 50 inch plasma screen TV in our front room!"

We don't need to worry that technology is going to make us fat and lazy because the machines do all the work.

We've already got people arguing that they should be fat and lazy while everyone else does the work FOR them.  That they deserve the luxury items that everyone else supposedly has.  Just 'cuz.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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It's called presupposing that I have a friend who can and is willing to let me borrow their equipment.

It's call presupposing I have a job (a heck of a presupposition in these times) and that if I do have a job, it pays me more than enough to cover my basic survival needs and leaves me with money to spend on cheap equipment.

You're making an awful lot of presuppositions, none of which are firmly rooted in any great likelihood.

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It's called coming up with ideas to overcome obstacles.

If one doesn't have an imagination worthy of overcoming obstacles, then what type of imagination can drive them to the end result they want in the first place? 

If you don't have a job, find one.  Never hear of actors waiting tables between jobs?

Yes, crappy economy.  There is no one solution for every problem.

But, if you really think others should do for you simply because you demand it, then answer this:

WHY?  Why should I do jack spit for you?  You aren't willing to do for yourself.  So why should -I- do for you ANYTHING in any specific way that I may not choose to do of my own free will.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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I'm reminded of a Nixon quote from "Fear & Loathing on the Campaign Trail"

"FUCK the helpless."

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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If you're "helpless", then you've got more important things to worry about than the content of a luxury leisure time product like a video game, movie, or TV show.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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Or too much time on your hands.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Andrew EisenAs it happens, Chinatown Wars is the only GTA game I've played.04/19/2014 - 10:43am
Papa MidnightWith GTA5 (to date) failing to even provide indication of a PC release, I'm realising that this might be the first GTA game that I have not played (outside of Chinatown Wars) since the series inception.04/19/2014 - 8:14am
IanCSo im guessing a bunch of edutainment games, which a lot of people elsewhere are going gaga over, dot count as classics? Okay. If you don't mind me, i have a sudden urge to play Putt Putt....04/19/2014 - 6:15am
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/04/18/playstation-99-cent-sale-discounts-tokyo-jungle-super-stardust/ Weekend long PSN flash sale. So much stuff is 99 cents for the rest of the weekend.04/18/2014 - 5:59pm
Adam802http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/18/5627928/newtown-video-game-addiction-forum04/18/2014 - 4:14pm
Matthew Wilsonit is a video talking about why certain games/products/consoles do well, and others do not. he back it up with solid research.04/18/2014 - 3:56pm
Andrew EisenI'm not keen on blind links. What is it?04/18/2014 - 3:45pm
Matthew Wilsonthis is worth a whatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyXcr6sDRtw&list=PL35FE5C4B157509C904/18/2014 - 3:43pm
MaskedPixelanteNumber 3: Night Dive was brought to the attention of the public by a massive game recovery, and yet most of their released catalogue consists of games that other people did the hard work of getting re-released.04/17/2014 - 8:46pm
MaskedPixelanteNumber 2: If Humongous Entertainment wanted their stuff on Steam, why didn't they talk to their parent company, which does have a number of games published on Steam?04/17/2014 - 8:45pm
MaskedPixelanteNumber 1: When Night Dive spent the better part of a year teasing the return of true classics, having their big content dump be edutainment is kind of a kick in the stomach.04/17/2014 - 8:44pm
Matthew Wilsonhttp://www.giantbomb.com/articles/jeff-gerstmann-heads-to-new-york-takes-questions/1100-4900/ He talks about the future games press and the games industry. It is worth your time even though it is a bit long, and stay for the QA. There are some good QA04/17/2014 - 5:28pm
IanCErm so they shouldn't sell edutainment at all? Why?04/17/2014 - 4:42pm
MaskedPixelanteNot that linkable, go onto Steam and there's stuff like Pajama Sam on the front-page, courtesy of Night Dive.04/17/2014 - 4:13pm
Andrew EisenOkay, again, please, please, PLEASE get in a habit of linking to whatever you're talking about.04/17/2014 - 4:05pm
MaskedPixelanteAnother round of Night Dive teasing and promising turns out to be stupid edutainment games. Thanks for wasting all our time, guys. See you never.04/17/2014 - 3:44pm
Matthew WilsonAgain the consequences were not only foreseeable, but very likely. anyone who understood supply demand curvs knew that was going to happen. SF has been a econ/trade hub for the last hundred years.04/17/2014 - 2:45pm
Andrew EisenMixedPixelante - Would you like to expand on that?04/17/2014 - 2:43pm
MaskedPixelanteWell, I am officially done with Night Dive Studios. Unless they can bring something worthwhile back, I'm never buying another game from them.04/17/2014 - 2:29pm
PHX Corphttp://www.msnbc.com/ronan-farrow/watch/video-games-continue-to-break-the-mold-229561923638 Ronan Farrow Daily on Video games breaking the mold04/17/2014 - 2:13pm
 

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