Feds Bust California College Student for Modding Consoles

August 4, 2009 -

A 27-year-old college student arrested yesterday by federal agents is charged with modding video game consoles.

Matthew Lloyd Crippen, who attends Cal State Fullerton, was charged with tweaking systems from Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft. The arrest was made by agents of the U.S. Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), reports NBC Los Angeles.

Modifying consoles to circumvent video game copyright protection measures is a federal offense under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. The investigation into Crippen's activities came following a complaint by the Entertainment Software Association; the trade group lobbies on behalf of U.S. video game publishers.

Special Agent in Charge Robert Schoch, who heads the ICE office in L.A. commented on the bust:

Playing with games in this way is not a game -- it is criminal. Piracy, counterfeiting and other intellectual property rights violations not only cost U.S. businesses jobs and billions of dollars a year in lost revenue, they can also pose significant health and safety risks to consumers.


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Don't think the ESA would waste there time on modded cases.

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doubtful.

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Who know's maybe we'll be lucky and this guy will appeal all the way to the supreme court and this stupid law might get declared unconstiutional... or he'll settle/plea-pargain like everyone else.

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The only way this law will be declared unconstitutional is to declare any and all piracy laws in America unconstitutional, because they're all tied together, which won't happen.  Guess you'll have to get used to the fact that, without express permission from manufacturers and/or IP owners, illegal things are still illegal.

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 You clearly have no understanding of basic law, please stop spreading misinformation, it's harmful.

Re: Feds Bust California College Student for Modding ...

Indeed. Even his signature which supposedly defines the first ammendment is WAY off.

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Re: Feds Bust California College Student for Modding ...

 Another Treaty Bill Clinton signed into Law which goes around our Constitution because they rather replace it or redo it. Pesky things like Freedoms in it and especially that Freedom of Religion and to armed yourself.

 
Nice thing these Democrats can sign World Treaties which can go around our law nice.

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Here we go...

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Re: Feds Bust California College Student for Modding ...

This is why I am always surpised that republican concervatives don't like clinton more.  He was a social concervative and evangelical christian that probalby did more for protecting captialism and religious entities then Bush Jr ever did.

Which just goes to show it really is just a blind 'republican vs democrat' thing and has nothing to do with actual policy.

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I hated his policies.  You know, like the 'assault weapons ban'.  Oh, and the fact that he lost or injured over 120 of the best soldiers the world has ever known because he's a chickenshit.

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Nice thing the Republicans can hurl us into a useless war under false concept and directly lied to everyone, resulting in massive debts and hundreds of lives lost, only to have it fucked up from the beginning and destablized an entire country, all under an administration of highly questional practices and policies, including but not limited to: warrentless wiretapping, no WMDs to which was the reason we were told to go into Iraq, torture of prisoners, assassination squad, and Cheney (he gets his own list).

Hey look! I can do that, too! Wow, blaming is fun! /sarcasm

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Nice how, instead of actually discussing his post, you basically say it's okay for a Dem to do something you detest because of stuff that happened later that you detest being done by a Republican.

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 Oh god save me from playing my legal backups, oh god save me from playing imports, oh god save me from using the damn box the way I feel.

What ever happened to the concept that when someone purchases something they can do what they want with it.  Did we just throw that out; next thing you know they will scream modding your car is illegal because the manufactor isnt getting their take somehow or modding your house is illegal because the original builder isn't getting his take.

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You should ask Joe Biden about why you can't modify your Xbox or PS3. 

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nice try, but those analogies dont even make sense.

If you dont like the DMCA, work to get it changed, dont just complain when it's enforced.

Re: Feds Bust California College Student for Modding ...

Would you quit spouting off the same retarded line? You're sounding a lot like a broken record.

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Elections have consequences 

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I love how they avoid stating why the student was modding consoles, not that DMCA thugs care what the reason is, because if you even THINK about modding a console, you are a pirate, there is no possible way it's just to play legally purcahsed imported games, if you mod a console, your intention is to see to it a CEO has to downgrade their private jet.

Hell, I know Apple is pulling the DMCA card to arrest people who jailbreak their Iphones because it's a threat to national security, when in fact it isn't and Apple just wants to control what people can and cannot use.

 

That is all the DMCA has and ever will be about. Not national securtiy, but the bottom line, consumers be damned.

Seriouslt, the DMCA has got to go.

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Its nice to see how simple rights are turned into crimes.....

 


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Since when is piracy a right?

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There's no proof that he was actively engaged in Piracy. There are legitimate applications to circumventing inherent copyright protections, such as backing up, homebrew applications, etc.

Additionally, you may want to re-check first ammendment titles and case law. Your signature is terribly incorrect.

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Re: Feds Bust California College Student for Modding ...

Wrong question.

He was not engaged in piracy.  He was not selling pirated or counterfit goods.  He was preforming after-market alterations to legally purchanced consumer electronics.

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sorry, that wont work here. He knew he was breaking the law.

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Arresting people for an activity because they may use it for something illegal is biased profiling of groups involved in this activity. Everybody is automatically scrutinized if they are involved in console modding, because it has a connection with an illegal activity, even if you don't do anything illegal with it. 

I don't agree with the law. Laws that enforce background checks on people who want to buy firearms are different, because those are designed to filter out troubled people that will probably use firearms to kill people.

But with console modding, the crime in question isn't fatal. I believe that "responsible" use of a modded console would be just as fine as responsible use for a gun, since its intent is not to commit the actual crime we are concerned with.

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I find it hard to believe that it's illegal to alter something that you own.  Now if they found actual pirated video games, then that would be another thing, but just altering the system itself should not get him in trouble.

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Call Joe Biden and ask him what the DMCA says.  Basically, it is illegal to alter something covered under the DMCA that you legally own.

But don't worry, they're looking at legislation to fuck over other groups the same way.  There are already some modifications illegal to make on a car (although many of these are understandable). And, if (as he probably will because he's a fucking moron) Obama signs onto the 'American' treaty that the OIS (may be the wrong agency, i'll find it later) is pushing, it'll make it a federal crime to modifiy a firearm by changing sights, optics, or anything else on it without a fairly costly license. 

So yes.  He broke the law.  And he knew it.  Doesn't mean the law's fair, but the law is law. 

While we're on the topic of 'unfair laws', I'd like to take a moment to talk about being drunk, from a legal standpoint.  When one is drunk, it is illegal to drive.  When one is drunk, it is also illegal to be out in public, especially if you're making a scene.  So, when one is drunk, nearly anything you do is illegal.  If you're trying to walk to a hotel a block down so you don't have to pay for a cab?  Illegal.  If you're standing outside trying to wave down a cab?  Illegal.  If you're going to go sleep in your car?  Illegal.

Talk about unfair laws, man.

Re: Feds Bust California College Student for Modding ...

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Personal law Vs public one, when one is in public the law needs to be a bit stricter but ion private it needs not be. Example sodomy/anal sex and sharing media digitally or otherwise. All that matters is you are not making money from either. ^_~

 


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You can make money from anal sex, there are tons of porn videos out there to back that point up, so to speak.

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And you can make money on videos of how to install mod chips, as long as nothing "functional" is shown or kept (that or installing a broken chip).

Besides I was getting at porn is legal but prostitution is not.


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Re: Feds Bust California College Student for Modding ...

Except this isn't about piracy. It's closer to buying a computer, then replacing the equipment inside. It's more about, that he could use it for piracy, not that he did, if he did.

Why not arrest me for drinking alcohol. After all, I could get into my car and drive drunk, in spite of the fact I never have and intend to never do so.

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Modifying a system to make it useful for piracy is illegal.  Stop acting like your rights are being trampled on for breaking the law.

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 "Modifying a system to make it useful for piracy is illegal.  Stop acting like your rights are being trampled on for breaking the law."

You completely miss the point. The point is that it should not be illegal, and the fact that it is is our basic rights being trampled on.

I'm not talking about piracy by the way, but if, as I suspect, you are too inept to figure that out, this is pointless anyway.

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I'm not talking about piracy either.  I'm saying he did something illegal and went to jail for it.  Stop crying that he's some sort of victim.  There arguably are no victims here.  He broke the law and went to jail for it.  The law he broke protects entities which may or may not need such protection.  I'll concede that point, but that point doesn't change the fact that he broke the law, and considering the scope in which he broke it, the argument that he just wanted to import games is a very shitty one.

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Of course!  The only possible reason to mod a console is for piracy, right?  THere couldn't possibly be any other reason anybody would ever do such a thing!


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Just because there is another use for it doesn't make it legal, or grant you any rights over such.  It's illegal, and has been for a long time, so I revert to my previous statement.

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You are an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about. Modding consoles use to be totally legal, its only been considered illegal since the DMCA.

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I assume you don't know anything about the Betamax case?

"Non-infringing uses"? XBMC? GeeXbox for Wii? PSP Homebrew?

You know nothing, my dear sir.

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He isn't pirating anything. He's probably only alterering preowned systems that people are sending to him. Its like arresting a mechanic for tricking-out/modding/suping-up(or whatever other term you wanna use) a car or arresting a contracter for remodeling a bathroom.

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If he modified the car to remove it's governor system (which i assume is illegal in the USA) then your analogy would be correct.

If he was remodeling the bathroom to include secret surveilance system, your analogy would then be correct.

The fact is that laws are laws. If you want them changed, get them changed, dont just choose which ones you want to follow.

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"If he was remodeling the bathroom to include secret surveilance system, your analogy would then be correct."

It's more like being arrested for removing a "secret surveillance system" from your bathroom.

Criminal law should be designed to address actually harmful acts, not to invent new kinds of harm out of thin air. Disabling DRM does not, by itself, cause harm to anybody, for DRM prevents not only piracy but also things like fair use, playing imports, and homebrew activities. There's nothing wrong with breaking DRM, aside from the fact that it's illegal.

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For me the line in the sand is selling media backups, thats it, anything else is a individual right. Some laws are made to maintain order, others are made to be broken because they are inept,outmoded or just plain wrong and people are to ignorant and fearing to do anything about it..

 


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You may believe that, but that doesn't change the fact that you can and possibly will get arrested for breaking the laws, seeing as how the laws are not yours to interpret.

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No but they are mine to break if they conflit with societal norms.... just becuse a few in power pass a law dose not make it sacrosanct it emrely means it gets enforced on the whims  of the power structure.

 


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Laws are laws...however...without breaking them  they will never be changed. Slavery is a good exsamle there of so was alcohol once, hell it took deaths and governmental and criminal abuse to make alcohol legal again..

Like it or not the DMCA tramples our rights they can get away with it because they have the money and support of sheeple(people who not not think or act for themselfs) for it.

 

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