Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

August 11, 2009 -

Is your handheld game system making you lonely?

Rika Kayama, a Japanese psychiatrist, thinks that it may be.

In an op-ed penned for a Japanese newspaper, Kayama claims that Nintendo's DS and Sony's PSP are partially to blame for a sense of isolation experienced by some of her youthful patients. On that score, Kayama writes:

Today’s youth immerse themselves in worlds of their own right before our eyes, where they can live secluded from the rest of us. Feeding into these one person worlds, personal devices such as mobile phones and handheld game systems like the Sony PSP and Nintendo DS come on to the market one after another.

The ‘make your own world anywhere’ idea has gone too far, to the point that even on the train one sees people shamelessly putting on makeup or eating cups of instant noodles as though the train carriage was their own room. …

I feel that an increasing number of people are coming to my office saying, ‘Even when I’m in a crowd I’m lonely.’ Even when they are at a popular singer’s concert or when reading a best-selling novel, these patients can’t feel any solidarity for those next to them or those reading the same book.

GP: Is Kayama onto something, or is she simply rehashing the old school notion that games are inherently isolating?

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Comments

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Maybe lonely people are more inclined to play DS and PSP...huh?  HUH?

Wrap your head around that one, Rika!

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Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

I'm over 30 years old, I have a PSP and a DS, and I eat wherever the hell I want. If I'm hungry, I'll eat when riding the bus, or a train, or even a cab. And that is often the case. I often eat hot potatoe with sauce on the train. I'm from germany. Nobody ever gives me a bad look for it, nobody complains about me eating there.

 

It's just someone eating. So what?

It's not like I'm belching, farting, or spreading the smell of food around needlessy. And so far, I've always been kind enough to ask if anyone sitting near me objects, and only once, all the years, someone did.

All this aside, It's notbody else's buisness.

 

 

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Read the other comments, it's a cultural thing. You simply don't eat on the go in Japan.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

When an employer makes unreal demands on you, you can't exactly afford to have a normal breakfast. Hell, that issue in Japan has gotten to serious that there are cheap "capsule hotels", said hotels sell fresh suits for businessmen who can't return home due to work, and there is a recognized term for working to death.

If anything it's those factors contributing.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

"Lonely" and "alone" are two vastly different concepts.  The first means you're all by yourself and miserable because of it.  The second means you're all by yourself but you don't necessarily give a crap.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

 I hate stupid people.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Oh great another video game are bad for you artical. Wake me up when something else different pops up.

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Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Don't these whatchamacallit handheld thingamajiggers have something called the interweb nowadays? Durn young'uns!

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Do people feel isolated because they play games, or do they play games because they feel isolated?

Something tells me that when you have a mental illness, you're going to want to escape how you feel.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

I dunno, it seems like Kayama is just bitching when you read the second quoted paragraph...

The ‘make your own world anywhere’ idea has gone too far, to the point that even on the train one sees people shamelessly putting on makeup or eating cups of instant noodles as though the train carriage was their own room. …

I agree with GoodRobotUs when it comes to the noodle-eating and such. I mean, people put on make-up and eat snacks wherever you go. And sometimes, it can be really hard to slow down and make friends, since there never really seems to be enough time in a day.

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Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Not in Japan. Eating food on the move is supposed to be impolite and is frowned upon, unless it's ice cream.

So that's why the comment strikes me as odd. I can tell you that I've never seen a japanese eating ramen (eating anything in fact) while on the train. In Tokyo where the train is the main form of public transportation. I came back from Tokyo a month ago.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

The problem in Japan right now has nothing to do with handhelds. Most people do not even understand the situation going on in that country. 
 
Japanese people for all that you have read and seen from their Tentacle Rape Hentai Movies, Rape Simulators and culture during World War II that went on a world wipe raping spree are currently not having sex or breeding. The Japanese Government is currently paying out incentives for couples to breed. What would be the children of the Japanese World War II veterans everyone blamed that generation of men has focused more onto their work then their wives. 
 
The next you have these fem boys who keep to themselves and now disgust an already very submissive and aggressive Japanese female.
 
A trip to Japan you’ll get female attention very quickly. This is also not some third world country were they are trying to get American Citizenship you got women disparate in this country to have children.
 

If you ask me the problem has to do with the last couple generation of Japanese Males rather then a PSP or DS.  

Japanese Males can do a simple thing to stop being lonely.

 

-Stop putting business before family

-Stop dressing like a girl and having women confuse you with another female. Common compliant amoung all Asian women about Asian men.

-Stop playing Rape Simulators and put some of that aggression on a girlfriend of wife.

-Stop putting Video Games before family 

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Just stop already. Every single time there's a story even vaguely related to Japan you bring it back to the so-called culture of rape that you love to ramble on about.

You are not an expert on Japan. You do not know shit about Japan. All your information is coming from massive stereotyping and bigotry. You have some odd hatred of everything Asian, and it shows itself in comments like "Common compliant amoung all Asian women about Asian men". I seriously don't even think you've ever been to an Asian country. Using absolutes as you love to do is a clear indicator of your racial hatred towards asian people.

Also, let me pick out a few choice quotes here

"that went on a world wipe raping spree are currently not having sex or breeding"

"and now disgust an already very submissive and aggressive Japanese female."

You discuss Japanese people as if they are animals that can't control their urge to rape, and that the females (now) can't control their urge to procreate. What the fuck is wrong with you man. Please reply to me this time, I want to know what your justification is for your insane beliefs, don't pussy out on me again.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

-Stop putting business before family

-Stop dressing like a girl and having women confuse you with another female. Common compliant amoung all Asian women about Asian men.

This amuses me.

You do realize that the whole 'feminine male' movement in Japan is a direct response and attempt to get away from the 'buisness before family' pressure from a generation ago.

And the complaint Japanese women have is not that the guys look feminine, but that they are not chasing advancement like 'real men' are supposed to and how they grew up.  Essentially they are returning to traditional japanese values and culture instead of the 'let's try to be like the americans we see on bad tv' culture that has dominated japan for the last few decades.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

How about you stop using gross oversimplification and base stereotypes about Japan?

The issue with Japan is that it is at serious generational divide.  The older generation doesn't understand the younger while the younger looks at the salary man attitude of their parents with resentment and dislike.  Things that were common in Japan like life long employment a generation or two ago are scarce nowadays. 

What you're pointing out are sensationalized aberrations that make for good headlines.  Japan is not free of its own social/political/economic issues but it is its own country and not some satellite of the US.  Their values are not your values and they don't translate well between the cultural barriers.

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Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

-Stop playing Rape Simulators and put some of that aggression on a girlfriend of wife.

... please tell me you did not just tell Japanese men to be violent toward women.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Common misconception from some males with prude wives or girlfriends or males who have never had a girlfriend had all. A lot of women out there like it rough. Like to be smacked on rear and elsewhere. Like to be choked god knows how many I women find that a turn on even if I don’t.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Not a misconception, personal preference. A lot does not mean all, I hope you atleast get to know the girl before you start choking her.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Huge difference between that and rape.

And believe me, I have had plenty of girlfriends. Most of which were not into that. It has nothing to do with prudeness. You said yourself that you don't find it arousing. What does that make you?

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

I just get this image...

"Hmmmm... What don't I like? Young people, people eating and doing make-up on trains, and modern hand-held technology... Now, how can I use my qualification to link those together and invent a single whinge and justify my own prejudices?"

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

The noodle eater and makeup comment stuck out to me the most as a rather old school angry at the new social trends. The rest of it - generally seemed concerned, though reading a book and using your handheld game are pretty well the thing in my mind.

Reading books/newspaper/magazine is just another way of successfully ignoring the person next to you.

I may just be saying that because I've eaten soup on the bus
:/

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

I don't know if "eating food on the train" can be considered a new social trend. Personnaly, I've never seen it while I was in Tokyo. What I've noticed is the growing numbers of young people getting tattoos. That must rub the older generation the wrong way.

Of course, where I'm from, the number of people between 15 and 45 that have tattoos must every 3 in 5 so it was actually kind of nice change of pace.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Tattoos carry a special social stigma out there as tattoos too often get associated with Yakuza and other organized crime.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

The point I forgot to make. Exactly, hellfire.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

does she know about wireless multiplayer?

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Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

mikedo2007

I guess not for her.  She probably never play any of those console she just mention.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Don't stare at the clouds!!!!

Don't take a walk!!!!

Don't read a book!!!

Don't stare off into space!!!

Don't daydream!!!

Those cause isolation too!!!!

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Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Yep! They are isolatory activities!  Curse me and my isomolationizing books and vidja games!
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Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

BAN THESE SHAMEFUL MAKE-UP APPLIERS AND PUBLIC NOODLE EATERS!


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Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

I don't know about the psychiatrist who wrote this article, but I still find solidarity in crowds at my favorite concerts. 

Personally, this all sounds like his opinion with no fact anywhere to back it up.  From what I saw, Japanese schools were EXTREMELY cliqueish, with cliques for clubs, sports, and people who go to things like cram schools and whatnot.

Then again, I'm not a huge fan of staying in Japan, so maybe my information from 3 years ago is out of date.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

I don't know about the psychiatrist who wrote this article, but I still find solidarity in crowds at my favorite concerts.

What he's talking about is people that have mental health problems like clinical depression and anxiety. If you don't have those then obviously you would not have trouble finding solidarity at a concert like he reports.

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Realy?  It seemed like SHE was talking about people who were putting on makeup or eating ramen noodles on the train, which, as we all know, is so very rude.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

You only asked/commented about the solidarity in crowds thing. For the makeup and eating ramen on the train, that's just random complaining that she's trying to tie in.

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Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

To me this sounds like more lonely people are seeking help, and the psych is noting the activities that keep them sane and blaming them instead.

What Japan is probably encountering is the same thing the US ran into when we switched from extended families to nuclear ones.  Japan has started to follow the US model and *surprise* they are getting some of the same results.  Small families that move around and break up communities result in children who are less socalized and have fewer intimate connections early in life and thus have more trouble building them later.  No amount of shallow 'community events' or 'school events' will make up for this.

Games and such are just a way for these people to keep themselves occupied and cope with a life that is not working all that well.

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

*facepalms* Of course, it makes perfect sense...

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

"The ‘make your own world anywhere’ idea has gone too far, to the point that even on the train one sees people shamelessly putting on makeup or eating cups of instant noodles as though the train carriage was their own room. …"

And there was me thinking it was the 'must be faster' attitude that pervades society, people don't have time to do things like have breakfast etc, at home because of the demands put on them by employers, it's nothing to do with 'Making your own world', it is the world, this one, and people have been doing make-up on trains and in their rear-view mirrors for years...

I don't see anything there that applies to games, and lots that applies to the high-speed, isolated nature of modern life.

 

Re: Shrink: DS, PSP Making Young People Lonely

Even when they are at a popular singer’s concert or when reading a best-selling novel, these patients can’t feel any solidarity for those next to them or those reading the same book.

Dead give-away.

 
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