U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

August 28, 2009 -

The debate over graphic Japanese sex games such as the disgusting and controversial RapeLay continues with word that the United Nations is stepping in.

At a meeting earlier this month, the U.N.'s Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women called for a ban on explicit video games and anime. As reported by Anime News Network, the committee urged Japan to ban "the sale of video games or cartoons involving rape and sexual violence against women which normalize and promote sexual violence against women and girls."

The committee also expressed concern "at the normalization of sexual violence in the State party as reflected by the prevalence of pornographic video games and cartoons featuring rape, gang rape, stalking and the sexual molestation of woman and girls."

Via: Kotaku


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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Yeah, was just a couple 'isolated' issues, right? Not like it was 4.5 million hits or anything. And I agree, not all stories are accurate - of course, the first result on there is CNN.com - but I'll give you - they aren't always accurate.

And secondly - the game is just that - a game, so why go all wild over that? - the incidents involving UN soldiers are *real life*. Which issue is REALLY obviously, without debate - impacting lives?

 

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

If this doesn't convince people how much of a joke the UN has become, I don't know what will.

The point of the UN was to enforce justice and promote peace and like it or not, it has to be militarily enforced. They absolutely need an army, otherwise it's just a dog with a muzzle over it.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

 But wait, cartoons and games are bad but we can still have porn with real actors simulating rape? And I'm willing to bet most porn-producing countries in the world have some of that?  

Is that better?

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

What, and books and movies with rape are innocent because?

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

No interaction from the user.  At least that's the popular trend.  Not that rapelay is much of a game, but meh.

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Rapelay isn't really a game, it's interactive pornography.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Which strangely is enough to qualify it as a game. 

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

And yet, no one is complaning about all those interactive porn DVD's out there.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

I wish GP would at least try to appear impartial on this issue.  Every single time it comes up, GP uses emotive and negative language to describe a game GP probably hasn't even seen, let alone played.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

And every time you fall for it. He does it on purpose to goad people, surely you would've learnt this by now.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

The supporters of 2 bit dictators and one world government don't care for free speech? What else is new?

 

The UN publicly states in their Deceleration of Human rights that human rights (including free speech) only exist as long as they don't interfere with the UN.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

As Penn Gillete said... These games should NOT be banned.

By saying that this game somehow 'trivializes' rape, your letting the rapis get off the hook. Your saying that it wasnt his / here fault and that somehow this game pushed them over the edge and made them into a rapist. Your essentially spitting in the face of all rape victims by saying that the people that raped them weren't evil bastards, they were poo r unfortunate victims who were 'made this way' my video games and tv.

Sorry.. but thats BS. If your a rapist, your a rapist. No game/tv will ever 'make' you into one.

And at the end of the day i may hate what somebody has to say or express (e.g the content in this game i do personally find distastefull) but i will fight to my last breath to protect their right to express it.

If i personally dont like it... y'know what? i WONT BUY IT. FFS.

ITS A NON ISSUE. UGGGGHH!! WHY DO PPL KEEP PRETENDING LIKE ITS SOME MUTAGEN THAT WILL TRANSFORM YOUNG ADOLESCENT MALES INTO COLD HEARTED RAPISTS?

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Once again:

 

People

are

Stupid

 

PaS

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

 

 

You can call something a non controversy all you like and it wont make it so.  [labeling as a form of the straw man argumentative fallacy.]

As I have been saying for a long time now when we support stupid game development in crossing way over the line we only help to bring the backlash back on gaming and help to generate the potential for restrictive gaming in the future.   The fact that the term "normalize" is now in play should concern us all.   How many things in common gaming could be held under that light of scrutiny once the premise of normalizing is accepted?  

It would be far better in a case like this turn against Rape lay [srsly what an asinine idea] in hopes of turning the tide of controversy away from the rest of gaming. This is only helping to normalize[yes I made a pun] the idea of gaming as a scape-goat for social problems.

I love gaming and I would hate to see much of it taken in the near future because a few morons couldn't keep their developmental fly closed.

 

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

minor point: 'Rapelay' doesn't have a space in it, mainly because in its Katakana writing (レイプレイ), it's a play on words: レイプ, rape, which is obvious, and プレイ, play, meaning fictional

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

There's a thin line between killing someone in a game and raping someone in a game.  If we normalize (as you put it) gaming in one game that is seen as offensive then there is a chance that all games will put through normilization and thus we shall never get such things as:

 

GTA

Bully

Mass Effect

Halo

Elder Scrolls

Generic Shooter

Resident Evil

Bioshock

Metal Gear

so on so forth.

 

Also note that this is already happening with a certain military game that was dropped by a publisher.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

In reality, there are 3 different types of people in this world.

Dicks, Pussies and Assholes.

 

Now, Japan is a dick.

They make Hentai and people who like Hentai are also dicks.

 

But there are people like the Women's rights and the UN who are Pussies and they are the ones who are offended by Hentai.

 

Now you also have the Assholes, these are the people who ARE the rapists and child molestores.

 

The Women's Rights and the UN believe that they can just stroll in and stop all the rape in the world, but yet they can't do anything because they are just pussies...

 

And the Hentai artists who are the dicks...they can't stop rape or child molestation but at least they are trying to talk about it though their works, they help people understand and become aware that what they create is something that has been happening in human society for ages...

 

But the UN and Women's Rights groups can't understand that, so they jump up and down and treaten to ban things but all the while they are not doing anything about the REAL rape and the REAL child molestation that happens in the world.

 

Even in Affrica where the UN is  suppose to be doing all their good work, can't do anything with any of the rape and child molestation in the world, but yet they think this is happening all because of the Hentai that is coming from Japan????

 

WAIT A MINUTE!!!! Do Affican people ever get access to Hentai at all???

 

How about other countries???

 

How many other contries have full access to Hentai other than the internet yet their cases of rape of child molestation still exists in their society?

 

And where the Assholes are conserned, they still do what they do because they are assholes, they are the ones doing the REAL crime and yet no-one ever does anything about it because the pussies have made the topic or rape a taboo topic and therefore it is harder for rape victims to talk about it and therefore they don't report it.

 

And if there was no dicks making Hentai in Japan and trying to talk about the issues of rape and child molestation though their artistic work...all this means is that you get your dicks and your pussies all covered in shit.

 

(excerpt lightly taken from Team America: World Police)

 

 

 

TBoneTony

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

someone who posted on Kotaku brought this site up: http://www.yestofreedom.org/

they have a pre-written letter you can send to the U.N.'s Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

The United Nations: Resurecting topics that nobody cares about. Good god enough with the RapeLay crap already!

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

I have yet to see the UN accomplish anything on a plantery scale. But them going after a video game is lame. Isn't there some country that could use some assitence? Seriously. Besides, Rapelay is not against females, it is just a fanasty to some people made into a game. I want to steal cars and kill people, suprise, GTA. They are the same principle and should be treated as such. Also, a ban on anime? What the hell will happen to Japan, anime/manga is one of their biggest things, there's an indusrty on that.

If you support banning the game, you're a hypocrite.

If you believe that nothing should happen to the game, thumbs up.

RAWR!

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

does believing that the game should die on its own count as believing that nothing should happen to it?

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Yes. It seems that the UN brought this back up as well as GP.

RAWR!

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Don't blame GP blame the UN. As I see it Dennis wouldn't be doing a good job if he didn't mention the UN talking about games.

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

I'm a total of upset, relieved, and upset that I'm relieved. Upset because the UN should know better than this 'rights' hypocrisy. Relieved that it's the UN and they do practically nothing. Upset about that relief because the UN is worthless and they shouldn't be.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

EDIT: nevermind was suppose to a reply.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

*sigh*  I'm going to sum up this. 

 

People

are

stupid!

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Not that agree with the proposed ban on any level, but why are they specifing video games and cartoons?  With that logic, they should include all pornographic media containing violence.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

It sounds like they want to ban entertainment that has user involvement in it - in this case, the goal of the game is to get the player to rape virtual victims. It's a more active role, as opposed to just passively watching the act. Same reason a gangster game gets more flak than a gangster movie.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

But then why add cartoons to the list?  There is no more user interaction in those than in real life porn.

 

Either way, their logic makes no sense.  This group has shown us nothing to prove that these things do increase rapes.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

There's nothing stopping either one of those viewers from fantasizing about the act, and in doing so become more predesposed to doing the act for real.


Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

You are completely right. There are many real life pornographies based around rape. MANY. If the UN wants to call for a ban on this (which won't actually do anything, but it's the principle of the thing), then they need to call for a ban on any form of media which depicts rape.

Personally, I think a real life depiction of rape would be more 'normalizing' than a cartoon depiction of it. Not that either of them normalizes it, or promotes it.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Cause everyone knows that all video games and cartoons are made for kids.  /sarcasm

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Why RapeLay, of all games?  I'm surprised it gets more attention than say, modern ero-guro (such as pretty much everything by Waita Uziga, including the infamous Mai-chan's Daily Life).

I'm not saying guro should be banned too (if you take interest in it then it's your business and yours alone), I'm just irked that people think run-of-the-mill rape hentai is the lowest humanity has to offer.

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

First off your late to the party UN. Secindly will people stop bringing this up? Seroiusly we don;t need this poping back up as soon as we're ready to ge over this.

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

If the U.N enacts a resolution or treaty if Congress which is Controlled by the Democratic Party decides to adopt the treaty, it can effectively go around our Constitution since it honors treaties even though a law like this would violate it.

Think about the DMCA, it's a wrong law but it is a treaty sent over by the WTO what went around our law.

So if the Democratic Party wants to start banning speech all the have to do is enact treaties that go around our law to rule on Empathy and what they feel should be law rather then being fair on ruling on the letter of the law. He already nominated a Supreme Court Justices to promise to rule on Empathy rather by the law so beware.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Here are some letters of the law for you: N-U-T-C-A-S-E.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Unfortunately, he's also right about treaties. Article 6, Section 2 of the Constitution states that the Constitution, the laws adopted by the federal government that pass Constitutional muster, and any treaty the USA enters into(with 2/3rds vote of the Senate) is the supreme law of the land.

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Key phrase there "pass Constitutional muster"

The Constitution declares itself "Supreme law." He stated that if Congress wanted to ban speech all they needed to do was pass a treaty, that isn't correct though. A treaty which violates the Constitution is void as law in the United States.

If Congress ratified a treaty stating that "It is hereby forbidden to criticize, in any way, the government of any country which signs this treaty." Such a law would be void as a blatant violation of the First Amendment.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Thanks for pointing that out, my man. Which is not at all what nutcase Ol' Doc Kefka was saying. He was saying that an unconstitutional treaty can be used to circumvent the requirement of constitutionality. Which simply isn't the case, not if the treaty is challenged as to its constitutionality. I would have pointed all of this out to Ol' Doc Kefka but I sincerely doubt his crazy, out-to-lunch ass is either capable of grasping or willing to grasp reality. 

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Eh, he is right though. Not specifically about the Democratic party (both parties would happily ban this game), but about the US government being full of stupid people.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Oh of course, this is far more important than anything else the UN should be worrying about.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

notice how the UN doesn't say anything about Live-Action rape…

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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""at the normalization of sexual violence in the State party as reflected by the prevalence of pornographic video games and cartoons featuring rape, gang rape, stalking and the sexual molestation of woman and girls.""

I HATE this bullshit. Having it featured in media does not fucking normalize it. If that was true murder would have been normalized eons ago, it's been in our damn entertainment since at least Ancient Rome (where they actually watched people kill each other), but it's not normalized and in fact it's the only crime you can get the death penalty for here in the US (not even rape gets that treatment).

Oh and fuck those anti-free speech bastards, if they really think these games spread messages of 'treat women as lesser beings' then they're essentially trying to ban stuff because they have a message they disagree with.

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

The funny thing is that they say "and the sexual molestation of women and girls." It's as if they don't think that males can be molested or raped, or at least can't be in a cartoon (something I know to be false). They imply that only girls/women are raped, then try and defend women, saying that they aren't "lesser beings."

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Well it's the council to end discrimination against women which is the only halfway decent excuse I can come up with for why it's specifically rape against women.

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Where's my Catholic Priest simulator? Seriously, how has this game not been created in the time since this fervor around this game broke?

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The UK and some EU nations have law tied to media rateing..... it dose not need to be banned becuse you already have the maximuim level of protection.......


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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

For those who argue that this should be ban, or wouldn't mind if it was banned, remember that the justifications for banning this are similar to banning games with violence and murder.  How can one say it is fine to show brutal murders and not show rape.  If it is fine to ban stuff that shows the horrible crime of rape, then wouldn't it also be fine to ban games that shows brutal murders?  If not, tell me where this logic is wrong, and why rape is special, and it's ban would never lead to the banning of anything else in media.  When you start justifying the ban of content that you personally don't like, you are no longer defending free speech, you are only defending speach you approve of, and you are drawing a line showing what is acceptable.  The only difference between you and the people you criticize for wanting to ban violence is where you draw that line.  I may be no fan of RapeLay (although I am a fan of H-Visual Novels such as Tsukihime, which although it does not glorify rape, it contains rape, mainly in the back story.), but if I am not willing to defend speech that I am not a fan of I am a hypocrite if I argue free speech while defending speech I do like. 

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It's probably too late to point this out with so many other comments, but I've personally seen live action recreations of rape, done in public places, busses, etc, all filmed in japan.

If they cant stop people from filming mock (i hope it was mock) rape porn, in public, in japan, how the hell are they going the ban the sale of it?

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Not to mention commercials with high-profile celebritie who would never do a commercial here in the states. Only in japan you could see commercials with the governator looking so creepy.

 
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