U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

The debate over graphic Japanese sex games such as the disgusting and controversial RapeLay continues with word that the United Nations is stepping in.

At a meeting earlier this month, the U.N.’s Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women called for a ban on explicit video games and anime. As reported by Anime News Network, the committee urged Japan to ban "the sale of video games or cartoons involving rape and sexual violence against women which normalize and promote sexual violence against women and girls."

The committee also expressed concern "at the normalization of sexual violence in the State party as reflected by the prevalence of pornographic video games and cartoons featuring rape, gang rape, stalking and the sexual molestation of woman and girls."

Via: Kotaku

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  1. 0
    josh111888 says:

    But then why add cartoons to the list?  There is no more user interaction in those than in real life porn.

     

    Either way, their logic makes no sense.  This group has shown us nothing to prove that these things do increase rapes.

  2. 0
    Stealthguy says:

    There’s nothing stopping either one of those viewers from fantasizing about the act, and in doing so become more predesposed to doing the act for real.

  3. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    Congratulations on completely missing the point of my post, that anyone can post a page of Google results, but that the point is that there’s more important stuff to deal with.

    That said, I’m actually starting to expect that from people on this site.

  4. 0
    Father Time says:

    Well it’s the council to end discrimination against women which is the only halfway decent excuse I can come up with for why it’s specifically rape against women.

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  5. 0
    Lou says:

    Not to mention commercials with high-profile celebritie who would never do a commercial here in the states. Only in japan you could see commercials with the governator looking so creepy.

  6. 0
    RavenMitah says:

    I’ve only read the 1st manga for Battle Royale (and that was years ago), but I distinctly recall a rape of a female character.  I can’t remember if she was a mother or a teacher, but it was a graphic enough scene that one particular image ended up burned in my brain.  I think it may have even been a murder/rape.  =/

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  7. 0
    JDKJ says:

    Thanks for pointing that out, my man. Which is not at all what nutcase Ol’ Doc Kefka was saying. He was saying that an unconstitutional treaty can be used to circumvent the requirement of constitutionality. Which simply isn’t the case, not if the treaty is challenged as to its constitutionality. I would have pointed all of this out to Ol’ Doc Kefka but I sincerely doubt his crazy, out-to-lunch ass is either capable of grasping or willing to grasp reality. 

  8. 0
    Sajomir says:

    It sounds like they want to ban entertainment that has user involvement in it – in this case, the goal of the game is to get the player to rape virtual victims. It’s a more active role, as opposed to just passively watching the act. Same reason a gangster game gets more flak than a gangster movie.

  9. 0
    nighstalker160 says:

    Becasue as somebody who has worked in the criminal prosecution field and as someone who studies this kind of stuff I can tell you that WE KNOW the research bears out that the rate of reporting for sexual based offenses is AMONG THE LOWEST (if not THE LOWEST).

    I can’t tell you how many Domestic Violence cases we’ve had were there were DEFINITELY sexual based charges but we COULDN’T prosecute because the victim refused to talk about it or refused to testify. Those incidents DON’T get counted in the stats because from a prosecution standpoint (which is where most of the rate of occurence stats come from) if its not reported/charged then it didn’t happen.

  10. 0
    nighstalker160 says:

    Right (and this goes for both of you) because as we all know

    1. If one member of a group does something automatically ALL members of that group are complicit and guilty

    AND

    2. Every result that pops up on a Google search (ESPECIALLY youtube videos) is 100% accurate, unbiased journalism.

  11. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    Unfortunately, he’s also right about treaties. Article 6, Section 2 of the Constitution states that the Constitution, the laws adopted by the federal government that pass Constitutional muster, and any treaty the USA enters into(with 2/3rds vote of the Senate) is the supreme law of the land.

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  12. 0
    Wormdundee says:

    You are completely right. There are many real life pornographies based around rape. MANY. If the UN wants to call for a ban on this (which won’t actually do anything, but it’s the principle of the thing), then they need to call for a ban on any form of media which depicts rape.

    Personally, I think a real life depiction of rape would be more ‘normalizing’ than a cartoon depiction of it. Not that either of them normalizes it, or promotes it.

  13. 0
    MrKlorox says:

    I’m a total of upset, relieved, and upset that I’m relieved. Upset because the UN should know better than this ‘rights’ hypocrisy. Relieved that it’s the UN and they do practically nothing. Upset about that relief because the UN is worthless and they shouldn’t be.

  14. 0
    Ratros says:

    *sigh*  I’m going to sum up this. 

     

    People

    are

    stupid!

    I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

  15. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    Eh, he is right though. Not specifically about the Democratic party (both parties would happily ban this game), but about the US government being full of stupid people.

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

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    chadachada321 says:

    The funny thing is that they say "and the sexual molestation of women and girls." It’s as if they don’t think that males can be molested or raped, or at least can’t be in a cartoon (something I know to be false). They imply that only girls/women are raped, then try and defend women, saying that they aren’t "lesser beings."

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

  17. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    I’ve heard that Japan has a much lower rate of violent sexual crime, but has a way, way, wayyy higher rate of "groping" and minor crimes (Pervs on cramped subway cars coping a feel of some young girl).

    Then again, I’d venture a guess that most guys (and probably girls too) have done that at one point in their life. At concerts I’ve had my ass grabbed before, and have done it myself to several people, so I’d imagine the rate in America to be extremely high too, if you take all of those minor ones into account.

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

  18. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    The UN doesn’t have any power, and hasn’t for a long time.  Iraq, Afghanistan, piracy, apartheid, the Congo and the drug trade all prove this.

    He was dead when I got here.

  19. 0
    josh111888 says:

    Not that agree with the proposed ban on any level, but why are they specifing video games and cartoons?  With that logic, they should include all pornographic media containing violence.

  20. 0
    Neeneko says:

    As commented above, there are the police statistics, the self reporting ones, and the truth in between.

    The police ones put it around 25%, but I’ve seen self-reporting ones as high as 16x (though this is probably compared to US police stats, which will also be artificially low)… sadly it is hard to figure out where the real rates are.

  21. 0
    Neeneko says:

    Because reporting rates are a known problem with Japan?  Rape victims are still highly stigmatized and people have been trying for decades to figure out how to get the reporting rates to match the actual incendents. 

    The statistic is useful, but more as a warning sign then anything else.

  22. 0
    Ray Ayanami says:

    Why RapeLay, of all games?  I’m surprised it gets more attention than say, modern ero-guro (such as pretty much everything by Waita Uziga, including the infamous Mai-chan’s Daily Life).

    I’m not saying guro should be banned too (if you take interest in it then it’s your business and yours alone), I’m just irked that people think run-of-the-mill rape hentai is the lowest humanity has to offer.

  23. 0
    Neo_DrKefka says:

    If the U.N enacts a resolution or treaty if Congress which is Controlled by the Democratic Party decides to adopt the treaty, it can effectively go around our Constitution since it honors treaties even though a law like this would violate it.

    Think about the DMCA, it’s a wrong law but it is a treaty sent over by the WTO what went around our law.

    So if the Democratic Party wants to start banning speech all the have to do is enact treaties that go around our law to rule on Empathy and what they feel should be law rather then being fair on ruling on the letter of the law. He already nominated a Supreme Court Justices to promise to rule on Empathy rather by the law so beware.

  24. 0
    nighstalker160 says:

    Key phrase there "pass Constitutional muster"

    The Constitution declares itself "Supreme law." He stated that if Congress wanted to ban speech all they needed to do was pass a treaty, that isn’t correct though. A treaty which violates the Constitution is void as law in the United States.

    If Congress ratified a treaty stating that "It is hereby forbidden to criticize, in any way, the government of any country which signs this treaty." Such a law would be void as a blatant violation of the First Amendment.

  25. 0
    Inimical says:

    It depends. You shouldn’t look at police reports for sexual abuse and make any assumption based on that because they are so unreliable. Self-report data is usually given a little more credibility in criminology but of course, it comes with its own problems. So, while we should take statistics on sexual victmization with a grain of salt, some of them are better than others.

    The true rates are somewhere in the middle.

  26. 0
    Father Time says:

    yeah but even if you take into account low rates of reporting it’s still really low, something like 1/4 of what the US is, I think.

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  27. 0
    Wraith108 says:

    The rape part depends on the version. *BR  SPOILERS* In all 3 (Book, Film and Manga) Chigusa is attacked by a guy that doesn’t appreciate his advances being spurned but he’s foiled by Chigusa and an ice pick to the face and Mitsuko is abused as a child, but it’s never "shown". In the book Mitsuko seduces a guy (both underaged) but tries to cut his throat before they do the deed. In the Manga, which I’ve not read, Mitsuko tries some… umm… sexual healing on the only guy that was ever nice to her after he was mortally shot in the gut, obviously it’s quite a nasty scene rather than arousing, apparently she goes completely raving mad.

  28. 0
    Father Time says:

    ""at the normalization of sexual violence in the State party as reflected by the prevalence of pornographic video games and cartoons featuring rape, gang rape, stalking and the sexual molestation of woman and girls.""

    I HATE this bullshit. Having it featured in media does not fucking normalize it. If that was true murder would have been normalized eons ago, it’s been in our damn entertainment since at least Ancient Rome (where they actually watched people kill each other), but it’s not normalized and in fact it’s the only crime you can get the death penalty for here in the US (not even rape gets that treatment).

    Oh and fuck those anti-free speech bastards, if they really think these games spread messages of ‘treat women as lesser beings’ then they’re essentially trying to ban stuff because they have a message they disagree with.

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  29. 0
    ZippyDSMlee says:

    The UK and some EU nations have law tied to media rateing….. it dose not need to be banned becuse you already have the maximuim level of protection…….


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  30. 0
    mogbert says:

    That’s funny, I don’t see why we would have to drop the statistics just because they don’t vibe with your idea of how the world is.

    The rate is low… um, people must not be reporting it! Yeah, that’s it!

    You sound a lot like JT claiming there is a youth crime wave right now. Maybe it isn’t that they aren’t reporting it, maybe there is a huge video game company conspiracy that is covering it up?

  31. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    There are different kinds of intelligence, and a person can be intelligent and still be an idiot.

    While I’m sure politicians often assume beliefs they themselves do not hold simply for the sake of attracting votes, I’m sure it is also quite common for politicians to carry a certain ideological baggage that colors their political career. The first kind of politics is just shameless opportunism, but it’s the second kind of politics where a politician’s idiocy is often in display.

  32. 0
    dan888 says:

    For those who argue that this should be ban, or wouldn’t mind if it was banned, remember that the justifications for banning this are similar to banning games with violence and murder.  How can one say it is fine to show brutal murders and not show rape.  If it is fine to ban stuff that shows the horrible crime of rape, then wouldn’t it also be fine to ban games that shows brutal murders?  If not, tell me where this logic is wrong, and why rape is special, and it’s ban would never lead to the banning of anything else in media.  When you start justifying the ban of content that you personally don’t like, you are no longer defending free speech, you are only defending speach you approve of, and you are drawing a line showing what is acceptable.  The only difference between you and the people you criticize for wanting to ban violence is where you draw that line.  I may be no fan of RapeLay (although I am a fan of H-Visual Novels such as Tsukihime, which although it does not glorify rape, it contains rape, mainly in the back story.), but if I am not willing to defend speech that I am not a fan of I am a hypocrite if I argue free speech while defending speech I do like. 

  33. 0
    Zero Beat says:

    This is correct.  Politicians, for the most part, aren’t out to do what’s best for the people they represent – They have power, and they’ll do whatever it takes to keep that power, liberties, freedoms, and basic rights be damned.

     

    "That’s not ironic. That’s justice."

  34. 0
    SeanB says:

    It’s probably too late to point this out with so many other comments, but I’ve personally seen live action recreations of rape, done in public places, busses, etc, all filmed in japan.

    If they cant stop people from filming mock (i hope it was mock) rape porn, in public, in japan, how the hell are they going the ban the sale of it?

  35. 0
    Neeneko says:

    Politics results in people doing what will get them power.

    These people are NOT idiots.. not by a long shot. But they do know what kinds of sound bytes will get them public support.  It is the average person that is the idiot.

    Always remember.. politicians are not rewarded for doing their job.  And smart people do what gets them the best rewards.

  36. 0
    nighstalker160 says:

    I can’t stress this enough, always ALWAYS take stats about "low rates of sexual violence" with a HUGE grain of salt.

    In ALL cultures sexual violence is one of (if not THE) most underreported classes of crime/abuse. From what I understand Japan still has a very "Taboo" relationship with the whole concept that may lead to even LOWER rates of reporting than is typical.

  37. 0
    Pinworm says:

     Since when does the UN have the ability to prevent freedom of speech? Can someone fill me in? I apparently missed the news about the UN becoming the singular (and communist) government over the world. It’s actually quite embarassing, I feel so unknowledgable.

  38. 0
    nightwng2000 says:

    Because it’s so much easier to condemn a computer/video game and other material based on fictional stories rather than come out a condemn groups for repeatedly ignoring, encouraging, committing, and/or covering up verbal, mental, physical, and/or sexual abuse against REAL individuals/groups of individuals based on gender, race, sexuality, religion, etc.  :/

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  39. 0
    King of Fiji says:

    Something tells me rape will still happen even if these types of games and anime are banned so in all honestly I don’t see the point in the UN trying to ban games like that.

     

    Its not like those types of games are for me but as long as someone dosen’t go raping real people and only rapes pixels then by all means have fun.

  40. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    This kind of thing makes me wonder whether there’s something about politics that naturally attracts these kinds of idiots, or whether it’s more a matter of politics being the kind of environment in which humanity’s natural idiocy is made most prominent. For the sake of humanity I’d like to think it’s the former, but the older I get the more I tend to think it’s the latter.

  41. 0
    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    Because RAeP in games and anime is OVER 9,000 times more important than WAR, HUNGER, POVERTY and REAL RAEP

    UN Member: Raep games are serious bussines!!!

    Normal Guy: But sir, children are dying in Africa!

    UN Member: Fuck the children. We must save those cute anime girls from tentacles. Now, where is my Tentacle Grape?

    Planet Earth: -Facepalm & Headdesk-

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  42. 0
    mogbert says:

    Doesn’t Japan one of the lowest rates of sexual assault in the world? There has been a corellation (but no definitive causation) between an increase in violent games and a decrease in violent crimes. Maybe the problem isn’t that they need less, maybe the rest of the world needs more?

    Despite where you fall on the subject of these games, as soon as the UN pushes a ban on ANY kind of game for having anti-social content, then violent video games aren’t that far behind. It isn’t a case of slippery slope, either. How can you say "Rape is bad ergo games containing rape are bad." and not say "Murder is bad ergo games containing murder are bad."?!?

  43. 0
    Kris says:

    I want to say there’s rape in Battle Royale, too (maybe just almost rape).  And child molestation.  There’s some flashbacks of one of the girls getting molested by her step-father or something when she was little. 

    Anyway, it’s a story telling medium, too, like you’re saying.

  44. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    Just when you thought everyone had finally shut up about it. I suppose, at least, they aren’t trying to treat it as though this is average output for the gaming industry…

  45. 0
    PeterWDAwson says:

    See, that’s stupid, because it kills the concept of rape as a whole in all Japanese animation and manga. I know people are probably horrified that I’m annoyed that they’re trying to kill rape, but allow me to elaborate.

    Anything, even something as truly horrifying as rape, has a place in a narrative medium. Outright bans stiffle creativity, even if we consider it disgusting. What’s worse is something that doesn’t focus on the topic but includes it will get silenced. One piece of work I enjoy that I know will get victimized in this if they pull this ban off, which I doubt they weill, is Berserk, a manga series whose short-lived anime actually ends in rape, sorry for the spoiler, but I won’t say how or what. The series doesn’t play it as a good thing but instead plays just how brutal it is and its a series that is seriously down and dirty, combining an interesting examination on the human condition with some seriously graphic scenes. It’s one of the darkest manga I’ve ever read but damn it it’s a good series.

    In other words I’m all for restrictions but even the sick people who made RapeLay deserve an audience which is why I oppose banning, nevermind any anime or video games including female rape. I also love how they don’t mention male rape…

  46. 0
    jedidethfreak says:

    Don’t worry, guys.  It’ll be just like everything else the UN does.  They’ll write an angry letter, and sit on their hands.  No reason to do anything else.  That’s what they do when tyrants kill their citizens, so how could they do anything worse to a video game?

    He was dead when I got here.

  47. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    Then prove it since your "point" is retarded, just like you, in my opinion.

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  48. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    Well, I thought I was done, but the brain-dead idiot won’t give up his ignorant stupidity.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


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  49. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    The constitution was also written long before movies, television, and video games were made also, so what exactly is your point if you even have one?

    The First Amendment is crystal clear: "Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech."

    You need absolute proof that the speech is dangerous since you’re directly contradicting a Constitutional amendment. Nobody’s been able to provide proof of any kind, whether it was movies, television, video games, or even anime.

    And no, the Founding Fathers wouldn’t have. Grow up and get a life, worthless turd.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


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  50. 0
    Touchdown Graves says:

    The constitution was written long before the advent of anime. They couldn’t have possibility of retarded pro-rape wide mouth bobble heads flying thru space. I’m sure if they did they would have put something in there to dissuade it.

  51. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    As a staunch supporter of the First Amendment. I only care because you childishly suggested and would support a blatantly unconstitutional ban on anime because of your childish opinion that it’s "retarded".

    I could care less what you think what you think, but I just wanted to point out the asininity of your opinion.

    Whatever.

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  52. 0
    Touchdown Graves says:

    The fact is that I don’t like anime because they have big mouths. That is a fact. Listen up, infant. It would be really easy to ask why you like anime and then call that weak or say that you can find those exact things in other media but I don’t even care why you like it enough to do that.

  53. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    No, but you just did turn it into a promo.

    There’s a huge difference between stating a fact and stating an opinion.

    "Wah, I don’t like anime because the characters have big mouths and it’s being ingrained into our culture and I have to interact with it."

    Child, please. It’s still a pathetic, weak excuse/reason to not like something.

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  54. 0
    Touchdown Graves says:

    No I am saying that while apples and uranium are very different they have things in common.

    They have names they have mass they can be thrown too much of both is unhealhty while the right amount can be very helpful

  55. 0
    Touchdown Graves says:

    I’m not complaining or whining. I stated a fact and I am now backing up that fact. Did you really call me a jabroni. Did this turn into promo?

     

    I WILL TELL YOU NOW THAT JUST LIKE AMERICA DROPPED BOMBS ON
     HIROSHIMA I WILL DROP ELBOWS ONTO ANIME!!!
    WEHN I GET INTO THE RING WITH ANIME I WILL FINALLY SHUT 
    THOSE BIG GAPPING MOUTHS FOR GOOD. I WILL MAKE THAT ONE LITTLE TEAR SHOW UP ON THE SIDE OF 
    THEIR HEAD. LOCKED, COCKED, AND READY TO UNLOAD.

     

    There is a difference between dealing with something and liking it.
    I deal with anime by voicing my disdain for it.

  56. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    I already knew about the Metropolitian Moron of Miami trying to compare Sony’s release of the PS2 to Pearl Harbor. I still say he owes an apology to everyone that survived the attack.

    The fact is that Thompson has crashed and burned to the point where he has done a big pile of nothing since 1990 and now all new lawyers in Florida now have to promise not to "Jack Thompson" their law licenses, it doesn’t really give him the right to rain on anyone’s parade anymore.

    The bottom line is that any attempt will fail and only serve to make anime/manga more popular than it is now. Look at Tipper Gore’s lame attempt to attack the music industry in the early-mid 80’s(some Metal icons say that the Parental Advisory stickers became the best thing to ever happen to Heavy Metal music). Look at the Michigan housewife that whined over the TV show Married with Children in the late 80’s(the Fox network became bigger overnight, and coupled with The Simpsons, Fox eventually was able to become the top-rated network).

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  57. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    The comparison went way over your head, then. I’m not going to call you a brain-dead idiot, but you seem very, very intent on proving me wrong.

    Apples = anime, Uranium = Taliban

    It doesn’t matter if there are "nice guys" in the Taliban, they’re going to lumped in with the rest when they get taken down. Difference being that anime has never attacked America.

    I’d rather watch an anime over 90% of the horseshit that passes for American TV.

    Bottom line: Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


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  58. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    Big fucking deal. Neither are video games, rap music, WWE/TNA wrestling, etc. Pop culture changes with the times and is based on what’s popular at the time. Deal with it, jabroni.

    In fact, your complaining and whining about it will just make it more popular than it is now.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


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  59. 0
    Touchdown Graves says:

    You’re comparison is faulty. Anime isn’t confined to peoples homes. It makes its way into current culture and I am forced to interact with it.

  60. 0
    Nekowolf says:

    And anime is not one of them. Your comparison is faulty. How is someone watching anime in their home or whatever injecting into your life in any way? Oh right. It’s not.

  61. 0
    Monte says:

    No i do recall that GP even made a rule against faking being JT for the very reason that on a few occasions someone does do shit like that… they do it either to mock him, or just to be trolls… adults can indeed be very childish

  62. 0
    Monte says:

     I’d go with cowboy bebop personally… Its one series that everyone seems to like and doesn’t have much haters… Can’t go wrong with the space cowboys 

  63. 0
    Godkarmachine says:

    Elfen Lied? That’s really the example you’ll use in the defense of anime? Hey, I liked it and all, but if I showed that to friends to get them interested in anime, they’d think I’m some kind of sick freak and seek help for me.

    – Stand back! I have an opinion, and I’m not afraid to use it.

  64. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    Talk about comparing apples to uranium.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


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  65. 0
    Bennett Beeny says:

    Saying that their mouths open way too wide just shows that your knowledge of anime only goes as far as Pokemon and other mainstream anime kids shows.  That’s like saying you don’t like Western cartoons because Dragon Tales is lame.

    If you want to see real anime, watch Haibane Renmei or Elfen Lied.

  66. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    It’s still a weak excuse in my humble opinion.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


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  67. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    Only that wasn’t the Metropolitian Moron of Miami, but some assclown troll/the worst possible result of an orgasm calling himself "Jack Thompson Follower" who got himself banned from here.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


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  68. 0
    mdo7 says:

     

    Actually, JT has attack Japan in the past and in another GP article.  I believe Jack bash anime also.

     

    http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/08/18/american-psychological-assn-games-are-powerful-learning-tools

     

    He was trolling around and he said and quote: "Not to mention the japanese are a shameful group of rascist determined to poison the minds of are american youth through video games and their cheap shitty cartoons called "anime".

     

    That gives me enough evidence to make a JT a anime haters.

     

  69. 0
    Wraith108 says:

    Technically I think banging on someone’s door, while not a crime in and of itself, could be considered harrassment under certain circumstances.

  70. 0
    hayabusa75 says:

    Why are you bringing him up?  Jack had zero to do with his post.  And he just said he doesn’t think anime is evil.

    Personally, based on his wide mouth comment, he’s just using a little tongue in cheek humor and some of you are rising to the bait.

    "De minimus non curat lex"

  71. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    The only criminal offense out of what you listed was urinating in public.

    Other than that, there’s still a huge difference between banning something just because you don’t like it.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


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  72. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    So? That’s one of the dumbest and weakest arguments I’ve ever heard/read aside from anything the Metropolitian Moron of Miami posted or filed in court.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  73. 0
    mdo7 says:

     

    Oh good, because Jack Thompson say he hates anime also.  Does that mean you’ll forgive him for any attack on video game and you’ll decide to hate video game because JT said he hates anime.

     

    So is Halo is evil because it became a anime also.

     

     

  74. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    (should ban you because I think that you’re retarded…)

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

  75. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    I think it’d be kinda cool if they DIAF, because without that genre of video games more time would be spent on good video games…

    …Mostly joking. Heh.

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

  76. 0
    Ray Ayanami says:

    Well, I certainly found something far worse than hentai: people who think so-and-so should be banned because they think it’s retarded.

    If people want to enjoy something, it’s their business, and you have no right to interfere with it.

    For instance, I dislike sports games. But do I think sports games should be banned, and that everyone who plays them should die in a fire? No and no.

  77. 0
    Father Time says:

    I’d like to hear this too. I never got into anime, but I just avoid it and ignore it and so far it’s working exceptionally well.

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  78. 0
    Skillz817 says:

    Can you provide a valid point as to why you hate anime,as far as I’m concerned I’ve seen more content in any more anime shows than I’ve seen in any American animation and tv dramas.

  79. 0
    Father Time says:

    Well then you’re an even bigger jerk than the ones who ban it because they think it will harm society.

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  80. 0
    Kincyr says:

    minor point: ‘Rapelay’ doesn’t have a space in it, mainly because in its Katakana writing (レイプレイ), it’s a play on words: レイプ, rape, which is obvious, and プレイ, play, meaning fictional

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  81. 0
    Ratros says:

    There’s a thin line between killing someone in a game and raping someone in a game.  If we normalize (as you put it) gaming in one game that is seen as offensive then there is a chance that all games will put through normilization and thus we shall never get such things as:

     

    GTA

    Bully

    Mass Effect

    Halo

    Elder Scrolls

    Generic Shooter

    Resident Evil

    Bioshock

    Metal Gear

    so on so forth.

     

    Also note that this is already happening with a certain military game that was dropped by a publisher.

    I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

  82. 0
    nefermore says:

     

     

    You can call something a non controversy all you like and it wont make it so.  [labeling as a form of the straw man argumentative fallacy.]

    As I have been saying for a long time now when we support stupid game development in crossing way over the line we only help to bring the backlash back on gaming and help to generate the potential for restrictive gaming in the future.   The fact that the term "normalize" is now in play should concern us all.   How many things in common gaming could be held under that light of scrutiny once the premise of normalizing is accepted?  

    It would be far better in a case like this turn against Rape lay [srsly what an asinine idea] in hopes of turning the tide of controversy away from the rest of gaming. This is only helping to normalize[yes I made a pun] the idea of gaming as a scape-goat for social problems.

    I love gaming and I would hate to see much of it taken in the near future because a few morons couldn’t keep their developmental fly closed.

     

  83. 0
    Overcast says:

    Yeah, was just a couple ‘isolated’ issues, right? Not like it was 4.5 million hits or anything. And I agree, not all stories are accurate – of course, the first result on there is CNN.com – but I’ll give you – they aren’t always accurate.

    And secondly – the game is just thata game, so why go all wild over that? – the incidents involving UN soldiers are *real life*. Which issue is REALLY obviously, without debate – impacting lives?

     

  84. 0
    JustChris says:

    If this doesn’t convince people how much of a joke the UN has become, I don’t know what will.

    The point of the UN was to enforce justice and promote peace and like it or not, it has to be militarily enforced. They absolutely need an army, otherwise it’s just a dog with a muzzle over it.

  85. 0
    Nekowolf says:

    I second that. I see nothing "sick" about it for one very solid reason: it’s fiction. Fake. Not real. Fantasy. Imagination. Artificial. Pretend. Not existing on a physical level. Need I really go on? It’s essentially a, uh, an interactive choose-your-own-ending story.

  86. 0
    Conster says:

    I didn’t say anything of the sort. I was merely using irony to point out that you’re being a hypocrite by first arguing that there’s no such thing as sick games, and then calling people sick for wanting to ban rape games, when it’s a perfectly understandable emotion, even if you don’t agree with them. That and tossing in Hitler and communism remarks. You disagree with them? Fine. You want to spout bullshit about communism and Hitler in a discussion about banning video game? Fine. But I get to call you on it if I want to. I am tired of people who can only think in extremes, in black and white.

    And as for free speech: there’s laws for that in my country, which forbid slander and spurring on violence, and even you say physical threats are an exception. There’s always grey areas.

  87. 0
    Pinworm says:

     So what you’re saying is that causing genocide, commiting countless murders is worse than rape? That’s what you’re saying? You’re saying WW2 was nowhere near as bad of a situation as rape?

    Because that’s what you’re saying. If you want one banned because it’s sick, you want the other banned because it’s sick.

    There’s no grey area.

    You either believe in freedom, or you’re a communist who’s saying that rape is worse than every war in history because it shouldn’t be allowed to be expressed in a game, while world war 2 games are fine. That one is sick, while playing someone going on a killing spree is not, because rape is more sick than what hitler did, and countless other people did.

    Just to be clear, so I can know not to take your opinion seriously. Not that I do anyway, because another area that has no grey area is that of free speech and expression. With the exception of physical threats, everyone has the right to write whatever they want on paper, draw whatever they want on paper, think whatever they want. If that happens to be an interactive rape, fine, that’s their business, I’d rather they play a game of it than do it in real life. If it’s playing as a soldier killing hundreds and hundreds of people, that’s fine too, I quite enjoy doing that too.

  88. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    Actually I’m pretty sure Japan didn’t ban the game either. It was simply a large group of retailers or distributers that agreed to not sell the game or similar games.

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

  89. 0
    Ratros says:

    But it’s even more sick to call people sick who call people sick for wanting to ban a rape game.

     

    Frankly it’s porn.  Plain and simple.  It’s a porn story.  Even more simple.  I’m sure there are even more actual porn movies where people pretend to be rape or be rapped.  Start with that.

     

    Moving on, I actually agree.  If you think this is sick, then you have no right to defend a game where you have to kill someone.  I think we can all agree that killing someone is wrong and sick, so why should it be any different in a game?  Let’s ban all games with any form of killing!

     

    Also one last thing.  YOU’RE ALL SICK!

    I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

  90. 0
    Pinworm says:

    I’ll fucking argue that.

    First of all, it’s a game, so immediately any notion of it being "sick" is completely wrong, just as it would be wrong to proclaim any book sick because it’s material is unsettling.

    But for the sake of handicapping you when you clearly need the handicap, let’s say there is a threshold that is considered sick.

     

    Uh oh, now we’re in a problem here. Either you have to admit that Grand Theft Auto and other such games are "sick" to the same degree as that’s what many other anti-gamers say, or you are saying that your opinion on the matter is more important and valuable on anyone elses, and you believe we should be a communism with you in charge of what’s "sick" and what is not. I don’t think so, hitler.

    See both cases are wrong. The correct answer is that how sick the game is is a matter of of opinion, but what ISN’T a matter of opinion is the right of the developers to make this game and the right of anyone to play it and enjoy it, if that’s their fucking thing. If you think that makes them sick, well good, now you’re understanding freedom of opinion, and you understand how I feel about the people who listen to "Soulja Boy".

    You know what actually is sick, though? Anyone who not only thinks it’s acceptable, but even encourage, this material to be banned. Absolutely sickening. 

  91. 0
    LegendaryGamer00 says:

    "There is no controversy. This game is sick, and no one’s going to argue that."

    I’ll argue against that. I don’t think it’s sick, it’s all a matter of perception.

     

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  92. 0
    Sai says:

     But wait, cartoons and games are bad but we can still have porn with real actors simulating rape? And I’m willing to bet most porn-producing countries in the world have some of that?  

    Is that better?

  93. 0
    JDKJ says:

    While never having said "this should be banned" in so few words, I don’t think GP’s made much attempt to hide the fact that he wouldn’t shed a tear if RapeLay was indeed banned. At least, that’s my takeaway. I could be wrong.   

  94. 0
    Alex says:

    Oh come on now, it’s a long stretch from "this is disgusting" to "this should be banned."

    I personally find it disgusting too. That doesn’t mean I think it should be illegal.

    I’m not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I’m not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don’t know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

  95. 0
    JDKJ says:

    Putting aside contradictions and hypocrisies, what I find more concerning is the apparent willingness to treat some but not all video games as worthy of First Amendment protection. That’s on helluva slippery slope down which to start heading.   

  96. 0
    hayabusa75 says:

    Except that the featured article isn’t an opinion piece, nor an editorial.  Personally, I would have no problem with GP interjecting his opinion into his write-ups, but to do so while priding yourself on a "we report, you decide" (which he has been quoted as saying) approach is highly contradictory at best, blatantly hypocritical at worst.

    "De minimus non curat lex"

  97. 0
    MechaTama31 says:

    The Kotaku article referenced in the GP article is from today, so if this is just some attempt to keep the controversy alive, it’s not all on GP’s part.

  98. 0
    JDKJ says:

    At least, as you noted below, the Rapelay stories containing GP’s "disgusting" characterization now have "Editorial" and "Opinion" tags attached. Unlike previous RapeLay stories. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. And GP, as the editor, is entitled to editorialize.

  99. 0
    Neeneko says:

    I wonder, has anyone dug up cases of GP slaming some columnist for talking about ‘that disgusting murder simulator GTA4’… it would be funny to have them side by side,

  100. 0
    JDKJ says:

    Are you sure it’s not a case of GP not having used the words "RapeLay" and "disgusting" in a sentence in over a month and therefore it just being high time to do so? 

  101. 0
    Ratros says:

    Which strangely is enough to qualify it as a game. 

    I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

  102. 0
    Ratros says:

    No interaction from the user.  At least that’s the popular trend.  Not that rapelay is much of a game, but meh.

    I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

  103. 0
    Ratros says:

    Once again:

     

    People

    are

    Stupid

     

    PaS

    I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

  104. 0
    NovaBlack says:

    As Penn Gillete said… These games should NOT be banned.

    By saying that this game somehow ‘trivializes’ rape, your letting the rapis get off the hook. Your saying that it wasnt his / here fault and that somehow this game pushed them over the edge and made them into a rapist. Your essentially spitting in the face of all rape victims by saying that the people that raped them weren’t evil bastards, they were poo r unfortunate victims who were ‘made this way’ my video games and tv.

    Sorry.. but thats BS. If your a rapist, your a rapist. No game/tv will ever ‘make’ you into one.

    And at the end of the day i may hate what somebody has to say or express (e.g the content in this game i do personally find distastefull) but i will fight to my last breath to protect their right to express it.

    If i personally dont like it… y’know what? i WONT BUY IT. FFS.

    ITS A NON ISSUE. UGGGGHH!! WHY DO PPL KEEP PRETENDING LIKE ITS SOME MUTAGEN THAT WILL TRANSFORM YOUNG ADOLESCENT MALES INTO COLD HEARTED RAPISTS?

  105. 0
    Bennett Beeny says:

    I wish GP would at least try to appear impartial on this issue.  Every single time it comes up, GP uses emotive and negative language to describe a game GP probably hasn’t even seen, let alone played.

  106. 0
    deuxhero says:

    The supporters of 2 bit dictators and one world government don’t care for free speech? What else is new?

     

    The UN publicly states in their Deceleration of Human rights that human rights (including free speech) only exist as long as they don’t interfere with the UN.

  107. 0
    Father Time says:

    Don’t blame GP blame the UN. As I see it Dennis wouldn’t be doing a good job if he didn’t mention the UN talking about games.

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  108. 0
    TBoneTony says:

    In reality, there are 3 different types of people in this world.

    Dicks, Pussies and Assholes.

     

    Now, Japan is a dick.

    They make Hentai and people who like Hentai are also dicks.

     

    But there are people like the Women’s rights and the UN who are Pussies and they are the ones who are offended by Hentai.

     

    Now you also have the Assholes, these are the people who ARE the rapists and child molestores.

     

    The Women’s Rights and the UN believe that they can just stroll in and stop all the rape in the world, but yet they can’t do anything because they are just pussies…

     

    And the Hentai artists who are the dicks…they can’t stop rape or child molestation but at least they are trying to talk about it though their works, they help people understand and become aware that what they create is something that has been happening in human society for ages…

     

    But the UN and Women’s Rights groups can’t understand that, so they jump up and down and treaten to ban things but all the while they are not doing anything about the REAL rape and the REAL child molestation that happens in the world.

     

    Even in Affrica where the UN is  suppose to be doing all their good work, can’t do anything with any of the rape and child molestation in the world, but yet they think this is happening all because of the Hentai that is coming from Japan????

     

    WAIT A MINUTE!!!! Do Affican people ever get access to Hentai at all???

     

    How about other countries???

     

    How many other contries have full access to Hentai other than the internet yet their cases of rape of child molestation still exists in their society?

     

    And where the Assholes are conserned, they still do what they do because they are assholes, they are the ones doing the REAL crime and yet no-one ever does anything about it because the pussies have made the topic or rape a taboo topic and therefore it is harder for rape victims to talk about it and therefore they don’t report it.

     

    And if there was no dicks making Hentai in Japan and trying to talk about the issues of rape and child molestation though their artistic work…all this means is that you get your dicks and your pussies all covered in shit.

     

    (excerpt lightly taken from Team America: World Police)

     

     

     

  109. 0
    Kincyr says:

    does believing that the game should die on its own count as believing that nothing should happen to it?

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  110. 0
    iDroid says:

    I have yet to see the UN accomplish anything on a plantery scale. But them going after a video game is lame. Isn’t there some country that could use some assitence? Seriously. Besides, Rapelay is not against females, it is just a fanasty to some people made into a game. I want to steal cars and kill people, suprise, GTA. They are the same principle and should be treated as such. Also, a ban on anime? What the hell will happen to Japan, anime/manga is one of their biggest things, there’s an indusrty on that.

    If you support banning the game, you’re a hypocrite.

    If you believe that nothing should happen to the game, thumbs up.

  111. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    Still, what beautiful, beautiful people. Accidently trolling the world. Seeing the whole world (including the freaking UN!) get all butthurt over a stupid game. *Sigh* they must feel so proud…if only I could do something similar…

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  112. 0
    Father Time says:

    I thought there was 2 people who sold the game on Amazon?

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  113. 0
    1AgainstTheWorld says:

    I bet whoever was selling that ONE copy on Amazon that started all this is now cackling his ass off at the global crapstorm he inadvertently created.  Dude, if you’re out there, drop us a post.  After all we’ve heard from literally everyone ELSE about this stupid game.

  114. 0
    mdo7 says:

    Anime haters saying they will support UN ban on Erotic games and claiming manga and anime are just as evil as those games in 3…2…1.

     

    I saw this on Kotaku and ANN.  This really upset me a lot, all over the Rapelay thing.

     

     

  115. 0
    Vake Xeacons says:

    There is no controversy. This game is sick, and no one’s going to argue that. U.S. banned it, Japan (of all places) banned it. Now, ironicly, the U.N. is the latest to follow suit (you’d think they’d have been on this like white on rice).

    Problem is this gives the feminists something to rant about. "Sexual violence against women?" Rape is rape; doesn’t matter if it’s against a man, woman, boy, or girl.

    What’s controversial is why we have to keep hearing about this over and over. And over. And over.

     

    And over.

  116. 0
    nighstalker160 says:

    Talk about being late to the party isn’t this controversy 9 months dead or so? What’s next condemnation of Hitler?

    Besides, ok U.N. you want to ban it? YOU enforce it. Oh wait…you don’t actually have any enforcement power without the consent of members? Woops…

  117. 0
    MaskedPixelante says:

    Oh for the love of… we had JUST forgotten about this stupid non-controversey, UN, and then YOU had to bring it BACK up!

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

  118. 0
    Roh02 says:

    CAN WE NOT KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS PLEASE!!!

    can they atleast pick a new game Japans got plenty it wouldnt be hard to do. you know their arguement is wafer fin and uninformed when they have to keep going back to the same old out dated game time and time again.

    I am against these kinds of games but bloody hell their not even sold in our countries outside of imports it litterally has nothing to do with us. surely the U.N. has bigger problemes to sort out.

  119. 0
    Austin_Lewis says:

    Yet another reason to hate the UN.  Also, way to show up so late to the party fellas.  It’s easy to see why you can be trusted to do things like maintain peace in Darfur.

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