U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

August 28, 2009 -

The debate over graphic Japanese sex games such as the disgusting and controversial RapeLay continues with word that the United Nations is stepping in.

At a meeting earlier this month, the U.N.'s Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women called for a ban on explicit video games and anime. As reported by Anime News Network, the committee urged Japan to ban "the sale of video games or cartoons involving rape and sexual violence against women which normalize and promote sexual violence against women and girls."

The committee also expressed concern "at the normalization of sexual violence in the State party as reflected by the prevalence of pornographic video games and cartoons featuring rape, gang rape, stalking and the sexual molestation of woman and girls."

Via: Kotaku


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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

... =O I want to visit Japan...

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I don't know...maybe just leave Japan to its own devices on what to do with this game? *shrugs shoulders*

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Games bad! Porn bad! Anime bad! BDSM bad!

Japanese Anime-BDSM-Porn-Games... ?

whatever...

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

 Since when does the UN have the ability to prevent freedom of speech? Can someone fill me in? I apparently missed the news about the UN becoming the singular (and communist) government over the world. It's actually quite embarassing, I feel so unknowledgable.

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The UN doesn't have any power, and hasn't for a long time.  Iraq, Afghanistan, piracy, apartheid, the Congo and the drug trade all prove this.

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Because it's so much easier to condemn a computer/video game and other material based on fictional stories rather than come out a condemn groups for repeatedly ignoring, encouraging, committing, and/or covering up verbal, mental, physical, and/or sexual abuse against REAL individuals/groups of individuals based on gender, race, sexuality, religion, etc.  :/

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Something tells me rape will still happen even if these types of games and anime are banned so in all honestly I don't see the point in the UN trying to ban games like that.

 

Its not like those types of games are for me but as long as someone dosen't go raping real people and only rapes pixels then by all means have fun.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

This kind of thing makes me wonder whether there's something about politics that naturally attracts these kinds of idiots, or whether it's more a matter of politics being the kind of environment in which humanity's natural idiocy is made most prominent. For the sake of humanity I'd like to think it's the former, but the older I get the more I tend to think it's the latter.

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Politics results in people doing what will get them power.

These people are NOT idiots.. not by a long shot. But they do know what kinds of sound bytes will get them public support.  It is the average person that is the idiot.

Always remember.. politicians are not rewarded for doing their job.  And smart people do what gets them the best rewards.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

There are different kinds of intelligence, and a person can be intelligent and still be an idiot.

While I'm sure politicians often assume beliefs they themselves do not hold simply for the sake of attracting votes, I'm sure it is also quite common for politicians to carry a certain ideological baggage that colors their political career. The first kind of politics is just shameless opportunism, but it's the second kind of politics where a politician's idiocy is often in display.

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This is correct.  Politicians, for the most part, aren't out to do what's best for the people they represent - They have power, and they'll do whatever it takes to keep that power, liberties, freedoms, and basic rights be damned.

 

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Because RAeP in games and anime is OVER 9,000 times more important than WAR, HUNGER, POVERTY and REAL RAEP

UN Member: Raep games are serious bussines!!!

Normal Guy: But sir, children are dying in Africa!

UN Member: Fuck the children. We must save those cute anime girls from tentacles. Now, where is my Tentacle Grape?

Planet Earth: -Facepalm & Headdesk-

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Doesn't Japan one of the lowest rates of sexual assault in the world? There has been a corellation (but no definitive causation) between an increase in violent games and a decrease in violent crimes. Maybe the problem isn't that they need less, maybe the rest of the world needs more?

Despite where you fall on the subject of these games, as soon as the UN pushes a ban on ANY kind of game for having anti-social content, then violent video games aren't that far behind. It isn't a case of slippery slope, either. How can you say "Rape is bad ergo games containing rape are bad." and not say "Murder is bad ergo games containing murder are bad."?!?

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I've heard that Japan has a much lower rate of violent sexual crime, but has a way, way, wayyy higher rate of "groping" and minor crimes (Pervs on cramped subway cars coping a feel of some young girl).

Then again, I'd venture a guess that most guys (and probably girls too) have done that at one point in their life. At concerts I've had my ass grabbed before, and have done it myself to several people, so I'd imagine the rate in America to be extremely high too, if you take all of those minor ones into account.

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

I can't stress this enough, always ALWAYS take stats about "low rates of sexual violence" with a HUGE grain of salt.

In ALL cultures sexual violence is one of (if not THE) most underreported classes of crime/abuse. From what I understand Japan still has a very "Taboo" relationship with the whole concept that may lead to even LOWER rates of reporting than is typical.

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yeah but even if you take into account low rates of reporting it's still really low, something like 1/4 of what the US is, I think.

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

As commented above, there are the police statistics, the self reporting ones, and the truth in between.

The police ones put it around 25%, but I've seen self-reporting ones as high as 16x (though this is probably compared to US police stats, which will also be artificially low)... sadly it is hard to figure out where the real rates are.

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*nods* I kinda wisih people would stop with the 'low rate stats' argument since it does nothing useful for the case.

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It depends. You shouldn't look at police reports for sexual abuse and make any assumption based on that because they are so unreliable. Self-report data is usually given a little more credibility in criminology but of course, it comes with its own problems. So, while we should take statistics on sexual victmization with a grain of salt, some of them are better than others.

The true rates are somewhere in the middle.

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That's funny, I don't see why we would have to drop the statistics just because they don't vibe with your idea of how the world is.

The rate is low... um, people must not be reporting it! Yeah, that's it!

You sound a lot like JT claiming there is a youth crime wave right now. Maybe it isn't that they aren't reporting it, maybe there is a huge video game company conspiracy that is covering it up?

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Becasue as somebody who has worked in the criminal prosecution field and as someone who studies this kind of stuff I can tell you that WE KNOW the research bears out that the rate of reporting for sexual based offenses is AMONG THE LOWEST (if not THE LOWEST).

I can't tell you how many Domestic Violence cases we've had were there were DEFINITELY sexual based charges but we COULDN'T prosecute because the victim refused to talk about it or refused to testify. Those incidents DON'T get counted in the stats because from a prosecution standpoint (which is where most of the rate of occurence stats come from) if its not reported/charged then it didn't happen.

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Because reporting rates are a known problem with Japan?  Rape victims are still highly stigmatized and people have been trying for decades to figure out how to get the reporting rates to match the actual incendents. 

The statistic is useful, but more as a warning sign then anything else.

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Didn't stop the US.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%...

 

That said, I do agree, there's more real life concerns that people should be worried about first.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Right (and this goes for both of you) because as we all know

1. If one member of a group does something automatically ALL members of that group are complicit and guilty

AND

2. Every result that pops up on a Google search (ESPECIALLY youtube videos) is 100% accurate, unbiased journalism.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Congratulations on completely missing the point of my post, that anyone can post a page of Google results, but that the point is that there's more important stuff to deal with.

That said, I'm actually starting to expect that from people on this site.

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At least GP posted this under 'editorial' and 'opinion' this time and thus can be unprofessional.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Just when you thought everyone had finally shut up about it. I suppose, at least, they aren't trying to treat it as though this is average output for the gaming industry...

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See, that's stupid, because it kills the concept of rape as a whole in all Japanese animation and manga. I know people are probably horrified that I'm annoyed that they're trying to kill rape, but allow me to elaborate.

Anything, even something as truly horrifying as rape, has a place in a narrative medium. Outright bans stiffle creativity, even if we consider it disgusting. What's worse is something that doesn't focus on the topic but includes it will get silenced. One piece of work I enjoy that I know will get victimized in this if they pull this ban off, which I doubt they weill, is Berserk, a manga series whose short-lived anime actually ends in rape, sorry for the spoiler, but I won't say how or what. The series doesn't play it as a good thing but instead plays just how brutal it is and its a series that is seriously down and dirty, combining an interesting examination on the human condition with some seriously graphic scenes. It's one of the darkest manga I've ever read but damn it it's a good series.

In other words I'm all for restrictions but even the sick people who made RapeLay deserve an audience which is why I oppose banning, nevermind any anime or video games including female rape. I also love how they don't mention male rape...

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

I want to say there's rape in Battle Royale, too (maybe just almost rape).  And child molestation.  There's some flashbacks of one of the girls getting molested by her step-father or something when she was little. 

Anyway, it's a story telling medium, too, like you're saying.

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The rape part depends on the version. *BR  SPOILERS* In all 3 (Book, Film and Manga) Chigusa is attacked by a guy that doesn't appreciate his advances being spurned but he's foiled by Chigusa and an ice pick to the face and Mitsuko is abused as a child, but it's never "shown". In the book Mitsuko seduces a guy (both underaged) but tries to cut his throat before they do the deed. In the Manga, which I've not read, Mitsuko tries some... umm... sexual healing on the only guy that was ever nice to her after he was mortally shot in the gut, obviously it's quite a nasty scene rather than arousing, apparently she goes completely raving mad.

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I've only read the 1st manga for Battle Royale (and that was years ago), but I distinctly recall a rape of a female character.  I can't remember if she was a mother or a teacher, but it was a graphic enough scene that one particular image ended up burned in my brain.  I think it may have even been a murder/rape.  =/

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Don't worry, guys.  It'll be just like everything else the UN does.  They'll write an angry letter, and sit on their hands.  No reason to do anything else.  That's what they do when tyrants kill their citizens, so how could they do anything worse to a video game?

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

I bet whoever was selling that ONE copy on Amazon that started all this is now cackling his ass off at the global crapstorm he inadvertently created.  Dude, if you're out there, drop us a post.  After all we've heard from literally everyone ELSE about this stupid game.

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I thought there was 2 people who sold the game on Amazon?

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

Still, what beautiful, beautiful people. Accidently trolling the world. Seeing the whole world (including the freaking UN!) get all butthurt over a stupid game. *Sigh* they must feel so proud...if only I could do something similar...

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And Japan just noding and not doing anything in 3 ... 2 ... 1

Maybe the UN will make a resolution because you know those work so well.

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CAN WE NOT KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS PLEASE!!!

can they atleast pick a new game Japans got plenty it wouldnt be hard to do. you know their arguement is wafer fin and uninformed when they have to keep going back to the same old out dated game time and time again.

I am against these kinds of games but bloody hell their not even sold in our countries outside of imports it litterally has nothing to do with us. surely the U.N. has bigger problemes to sort out.

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Yet another reason to hate the UN.  Also, way to show up so late to the party fellas.  It's easy to see why you can be trusted to do things like maintain peace in Darfur.

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I never understood the attraction to anime/anime porn? But... meh... what ever floats your boat I suppose!

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Talk about being late to the party isn't this controversy 9 months dead or so? What's next condemnation of Hitler?

Besides, ok U.N. you want to ban it? YOU enforce it. Oh wait...you don't actually have any enforcement power without the consent of members? Woops...

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There is no controversy. This game is sick, and no one's going to argue that. U.S. banned it, Japan (of all places) banned it. Now, ironicly, the U.N. is the latest to follow suit (you'd think they'd have been on this like white on rice).

Problem is this gives the feminists something to rant about. "Sexual violence against women?" Rape is rape; doesn't matter if it's against a man, woman, boy, or girl.

What's controversial is why we have to keep hearing about this over and over. And over. And over.

 

And over.

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I'll fucking argue that.

First of all, it's a game, so immediately any notion of it being "sick" is completely wrong, just as it would be wrong to proclaim any book sick because it's material is unsettling.

But for the sake of handicapping you when you clearly need the handicap, let's say there is a threshold that is considered sick.

 

Uh oh, now we're in a problem here. Either you have to admit that Grand Theft Auto and other such games are "sick" to the same degree as that's what many other anti-gamers say, or you are saying that your opinion on the matter is more important and valuable on anyone elses, and you believe we should be a communism with you in charge of what's "sick" and what is not. I don't think so, hitler.


See both cases are wrong. The correct answer is that how sick the game is is a matter of of opinion, but what ISN'T a matter of opinion is the right of the developers to make this game and the right of anyone to play it and enjoy it, if that's their fucking thing. If you think that makes them sick, well good, now you're understanding freedom of opinion, and you understand how I feel about the people who listen to "Soulja Boy".

You know what actually is sick, though? Anyone who not only thinks it's acceptable, but even encourage, this material to be banned. Absolutely sickening. 

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

No, I'm pretty sure it's sick to call people sick for wanting to ban a rape game, regardless of whether you agree with them or not.


Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

 So what you're saying is that causing genocide, commiting countless murders is worse than rape? That's what you're saying? You're saying WW2 was nowhere near as bad of a situation as rape?

Because that's what you're saying. If you want one banned because it's sick, you want the other banned because it's sick.


There's no grey area.

You either believe in freedom, or you're a communist who's saying that rape is worse than every war in history because it shouldn't be allowed to be expressed in a game, while world war 2 games are fine. That one is sick, while playing someone going on a killing spree is not, because rape is more sick than what hitler did, and countless other people did.

Just to be clear, so I can know not to take your opinion seriously. Not that I do anyway, because another area that has no grey area is that of free speech and expression. With the exception of physical threats, everyone has the right to write whatever they want on paper, draw whatever they want on paper, think whatever they want. If that happens to be an interactive rape, fine, that's their business, I'd rather they play a game of it than do it in real life. If it's playing as a soldier killing hundreds and hundreds of people, that's fine too, I quite enjoy doing that too.

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I didn't say anything of the sort. I was merely using irony to point out that you're being a hypocrite by first arguing that there's no such thing as sick games, and then calling people sick for wanting to ban rape games, when it's a perfectly understandable emotion, even if you don't agree with them. That and tossing in Hitler and communism remarks. You disagree with them? Fine. You want to spout bullshit about communism and Hitler in a discussion about banning video game? Fine. But I get to call you on it if I want to. I am tired of people who can only think in extremes, in black and white.

And as for free speech: there's laws for that in my country, which forbid slander and spurring on violence, and even you say physical threats are an exception. There's always grey areas.

Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

But it's even more sick to call people sick who call people sick for wanting to ban a rape game.

 

Frankly it's porn.  Plain and simple.  It's a porn story.  Even more simple.  I'm sure there are even more actual porn movies where people pretend to be rape or be rapped.  Start with that.

 

Moving on, I actually agree.  If you think this is sick, then you have no right to defend a game where you have to kill someone.  I think we can all agree that killing someone is wrong and sick, so why should it be any different in a game?  Let's ban all games with any form of killing!

 

Also one last thing.  YOU'RE ALL SICK!

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Re: U.N. Steps Into RapeLay Controversy, Urges Ban

There are people who say games like GTA and Saint's Row are sick, you want those banned as well?

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"There is no controversy. This game is sick, and no one's going to argue that."

I'll argue against that. I don't think it's sick, it's all a matter of perception.

 

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