Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to Students

September 8, 2009 -

Amid protests and counter-protests, President Barack Obama will deliver a 20-minute speech on the value of education to America's students this morning.

The Back to School event has been banned from some school districts whose managers are apparently being influenced by the squeaky wheels among the anti-Obama crowd.

In any case, the White House has pre-published the text of the Prez's speech. And, once again, Obama will reference video games - specifically the Xbox:

I’ve talked about your teachers’ responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.

 

I’ve talked about your parents’ responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

 

I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.

 

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed...


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The only 'controversy' over this speech is from stupid people who scream bloody murder about anything Obama does.

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Read my post up above.  The controversy was over the proposed lesson plan to go with his speech, asking students to cite how they were going to help the President pass his policies.  This borders on indoctrination, and I doubt any parent would think that's okay.  Now, as I stated above, I have no problem with the speech itself, and the lesson plan was scrapped, so I say No Harm No Foul.  However, ignorant people seem to think that the only reason people would disagree with the President is that they are racist, or that they are un-American Nazis (to quote Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi).  I seem to remember a lot of these people very vocal against another President with whom they disagreed, and called it their right to protest.

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You have seen the number of people calling and likening the President to Hitler right? And that most of them seem to be fans of certain talk radio personalities? I'm sure that's all a coincidence but there it is none the less.

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I haven't seen anyone calling Obama Hitler on the radio or news of late.  I've heard that some talk-show hosts have been likening his policies to those of Hitler, pointing out that Naziism was the National SOCIALIST movement and the like, but a lot of that was in direct responce to Nancy Pelosi calling those who stood up to her and her cronies 'Nazis carrying swastikas'.

Oh, and there seems to be a lot less likening than there was last year.  Once again, a lovely double standard.

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"pointing out that Naziism was the National SOCIALIST movement"

And that means jack squat. After all, North Korea is officially the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. How much democracy and republic have they got?

That's not even getting into the little problem that Fascism and Communism are about as far apart on the political spectrum as you can get.

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Pointing out the distinctions, whether subtle or broad, between political ideologies to some people is a waste of your time. They ain't never gonna get it.  

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And what do you mean by "number"? I remember seeing the same woman calling the president Hitler on every newscast for a week, but I only ever saw her. I have the suspicion that there are relatively few people calling the president Hitler; they're just the more interesting story and would help support the generally liberal slant of most media outlets.

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This. The talking heads read the script and the puppets that watch regurgitate the nonsense. These aren't actual thinking humans we're talking about here. The universe simply doesn't have enough RAM to emulate free thought.

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Um, don't you have to be in front of the tv to use the xbox?

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Nope. I use my computer's monitor. My TV is a shitty SD one.

But I get your point and don't entirely disagree with it. He should have said videogames to include portable as well as desktop gaming... but that wouldn't have been nearly as fun or controversial.

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Obama chose Xbox because it rings a bell with most people as being a video game console.  When he says this, he's refering to ALL video games.

Nothing wrong with telling kids to put down the controller and pickup a pencil.  When I was still in school that was the way it was ran, work before play.  Despite what many GPers think, most forms of media provide little academic value.  This doesn't mean video games are bad, but games are a form of entertainment just like TV, movies, etc.

(Before you call me out saying "video games can be academic", tell me the last time you played one of these games.)

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I saw the speech at noon from at home on CNN.  I miss the part where he mention the Xbox.  But I know he's not a game hater.  He just telling kids to limit the time on video game and spend more time on studying.  I liked his speech when I saw it.  Those people who didn;t want their kids watching the speech miss out a lot, and they worried Obama tell them to get involved with politics which he never did for this speech.  At least the Conservatives just got their ass shot down when they found out Obama never threw any politics in his speech.

 

I Praise you Mr. President for your encouragement to get kids to stay in school and get good grade. 

 

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What about limiting homework and school, after all, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

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Nobody got their asses kicked.  The speech was posted on the internet yesterday.  The contents were no suprise to anyone who was interested enough in the speech to read it.

Again, the controversy wasn't over the speech.  It was over the lesson plan that was supposed to accompany it.

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AE: Please don't prefix every post with three carriage returns.  Thanks.

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I've been playing Oregan Trail all week. And also, you seem to be the only one who thinks GPers think games have large amounts of academic value. We know what games are, entertainment, not a smegging school textbook. All we tend to say is there is the POTENTIAL for games to be academic, not that they ARE academic.

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Which Oregon trail?  Because I heard that the fifth one took out the fun of hunting altogether and that it basically turned into 'click the hunting, random number generator, you return with X lbs of (bear/deer/whatever) meat'.  But that game was awesome.

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You all seem to have forgotten this quite from JFK: 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do your country'. This is indeed, as I see it, a a request, a call for or an encouragement for each individual to be part of a greather whole, e.g. a social community - being made up of all the U.S. Citizens in the US (and abroad as well).

As for Obama's message as I teacher I'm all for it; homework and work for school has to come first, then as a reward (maybe) the children can get to play Xbox 360, Wii, PC, PS3 or DS or whatever. Parents need again to do something that's very old and tried; parenting.

As for the economy, if children in the don't soon get a much better education, then I predict the US will fail as a nation. Attention really needs to be given education, education and education. And then we can play videogames - unless, of course, we study them in school :)

 

 

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If kids aren't gonna listen to their parents or teachers, what makes Obama think they will listen to him? Ego?

The kids are just gonna see a guy in a suit called 'the president' saying "Blahblah! blahblahblah? blah blahblah blah! blah." And wonder when they can go to the toilet.

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Nah man.. not ego. Prestige.

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I dunno.  I think that it's a post that every child aspires to.  I remember thinking that one day I would be President of the United States (even though I'm canadian).  As a child, it's known to be the most powerful position in the world and probably holds some clout.

It's just like when a child listens to a favourite athlete speak.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

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You know what my biggest problem is?

This is ALL Obama ever talks about: "Turn off your games and get back to your homework!"

There's bigger problems to worry about, like, oh I dunno...

THE ECONOMY!!!

Maybe everyone should give up their school and find a job?

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/57493-senate-must-raise-debt-ceiling-above-12t

Oh, they're talking about the economy.  And how Obama can spend more money on bullshit. 

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As opposed to President Bush who never once vetoed a spending bill.

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

Well he sure didn't veto military spending!

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Yeah, because, you know, we weren't, like, fighting a WAR, or anything...  Military spending was SOOOO unnecessary under President Bush's presidency.

/sarcasm

I love how a lot of people who have a problem with Bush's military spending are some of the same ones who said we shouldn't have gone to war because our military wasn't properly funded.

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You act like the wars weren't optional.

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There was the option of not starting them.

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I wasn't one of them. Boy your brain damage is REALLY giving you trouble today huh.

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Did I say you were?  I don't recall mentioning your name in my post.  Maybe you don't know how to read, becasue I mention how "a lot of" those oposed to Bush's military spending are also "some" of those who had a problem with going into Afghanistan and Iraq with an unfunded military.  And before anyone tells me to cite my source, just look up two posts.  Read it.  Actually read it.  Nowhere did I type "DarkSaber" or say that darksaber was, in anyway the person I was eluding to.

JDKJ may be a dick, but you're an illiterate retard.

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And you have all the charm, wit and intellect of Jayne Mansfield AFTER the accident.

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Again, with the attacks, versus an actual post on the topic.

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Considering that you attack anyone who disagrees with you I don't think you have much room to talk.

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No, I attack people who don't make any sense, much like DarkSaber made no sense complaining about funding a military during a war, and much like claiming I attacked someone when I clearly didn't.

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I think the point was that the same Republicans screaming about spending now are the same people who never once said where the money was coming from for their own out of control spending. That includes fighting two wars, prescription drugs, and the tax cuts. All that money has to come from somewhere and to have a President, like Bush, who never met a spending bill he didn't like, makes their cries of foul seem rather insipid.

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Don't forget, though, that the non-partisan CBO says two-thirds of the deficit was made by Obama.  You're right, that most Republicans shouldn't be throwing stones, but Obama's been spending way more money.

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Dammit, you beat me to the punch. I was gonna say, they're definitely doing stuff about the economy. As if it could get any worse, heh.

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Dennis;

With respect, does this really qualify as news? So he tells kids not spend all their time playing Xbox, I'm with him on that one. I really don't see this as him using video games as a "metaphor for underachievment."

As for the general issue regarding the speech. To the "indoctrination" crowd, have you read the speech? If not, don't talk you really have no basis for claiming anything unless you can point to specific passages.

For those who say the speech wasn't always this "bland." I presume you have a first draft that you can submit for us to look over? If not, well then stop speculating.

As for the lesson plan. Really? Seriously? Given the context of the speech, which is what the kids would be exposed to. Explain to me how the original "Write letters to yourselves talking about how you can help President Obama" is bad.

Remember, these kids are being exposed TO THIS SPEECH. They are going to be writing letters in the context of THIS SPEECH. They are not going to be writing letters in the context of universal health care or anything like that.

And I leave you with this one quote from a anti-healthcare protestor.

"Keep your government hands off my medicare!"

Yeah, I think talking about education is a good thing.

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/signed

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I wanted to say something about this too.

I undestand that this site reports any instance of video games relating to politics.  But I feel that continuously bringing up and pointing out something like this is generating paranoia about a problem that doesn't exist. 

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If Barrack Obama didn't bring up the Xbox every chance he gets as a reason that Americans are fat and stupid, they wouldn't have to.

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I think that mentioning the Xbox in those speeches is almost funny for him and his office. Like a private joke.

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A really weird joke seeing as how Obamas XBox Live ads are partly responsible for him being where is he today.

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ROFL, yes! I'm sure the Burnout ads were the straw that broke the polls back. Without them he would never have been elected.

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It sure did help, seeing as how he didn't win by a large margin.  You missed the point, however.  Obama has been mentioning the Xbox in particular when he makes a speech telling people to limit their gaming.  I personally think that's a low blow since they openly supported his candidacy with the XBL ads.

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Again, the terminology was used because it's the main one people recognize as a fangled vidja gamin machine. If this were 1999, he would have used PS2 by saying "Playstation." There's nothing sinister about it.

 

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I'm not saying there is anything sinister about it, but it does sound weird, no?  I mean, it would be like Bush winning his last election, then coming out against the military for any percieved wrongdoing upon them.

You leave with who brought you.

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Pretty much this.  I'm just glad I didn't see any of those Obama billboards in my Burnout game, I'd spend all my time trying to crash my car into them.

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Starting to get a bit preachy isn't he?

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'Starting'?  He's always been preachy.  Hell, it's not like he's doing anything to fix any of the problems with the education system (or any other problem, for that matter).  That basically leaves him the option of preaching from on high, which he loves.

 
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