Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to Students

September 8, 2009 -

Amid protests and counter-protests, President Barack Obama will deliver a 20-minute speech on the value of education to America's students this morning.

The Back to School event has been banned from some school districts whose managers are apparently being influenced by the squeaky wheels among the anti-Obama crowd.

In any case, the White House has pre-published the text of the Prez's speech. And, once again, Obama will reference video games - specifically the Xbox:

I’ve talked about your teachers’ responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.

 

I’ve talked about your parents’ responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

 

I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.

 

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed...


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Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

Funny, I thought conservatives don't want Obama to do anything anyway lol!

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In Obama's world, government takeover = fixing.

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In jedidethfreak's world, disagreeing with him means you can't read and are attacking him.

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No.  In my world, saying I said something in a post that isn't there so that you can attack me personally means you can't read and are attacking me.

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You must live in some warped little world then, because all you ever do is complain about people attacking you.

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I didn't complain about anyone attacking me in this particular thread line until you did just that.  You can't say somebody's name with a negative comment about them afterward without it being an attack, considering your comment didn't bring anything useful to the argument itself.

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That's because I'm only following suit.

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

"That basically leaves him the option of preaching from on high, which he loves."

Just like most other politicians. I love the way you keep making these statements like Obama is the only poiltician evar to do them.

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Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

Some other politicians at least tried to improve our education system, instead of just talking about it.

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

Most, however, do not.

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Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

And some made it clear that an education from Yale ain't everything it's claimed to be. Or, conversely, is wasted on some folk because you just can't make an Albert Einstein out of a Bonobo monkey.

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

I still maintain that, like Samson, Einstein's power came form his hair.

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Or a decent responsible human being out of a politician.

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A politician being preachy? Surely not!! /sarcasm

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I like how he can talk the talk about individual responsibility and personal achievement.  I just wish he actually, from a policy and record standpoint, back that up.

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

How is this even news? Whats the big deal with telling kids not to spend every waking moment infront of their video game console. Sounds like common sense to me. It's all about moderation.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

Oh boy! Time for people to miss the message entirely and start arguing about him saying "Xbox" instead of "PlayStation" or "Wii".

edit: Waiting for somebody to mention the fact that I completely ignored the PC.

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DAMMIT, MEN!!

 

Grab your torches an pitforks! AND after those Sega Saturns and Virtual Boys!!

That, 'ere, is the REAL evil!

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Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

You didn't ignore the PC. You mentioned it right there in your last sentence.

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Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

See the text that makes mention of it as an edit? That implies it was an afterthought. Thereby being ignored at first.

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

Yet by the time anyone replied, it was already there, so to all intents and purposes, no, it was not ignored.

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I don't understand what is so controversial about this speech! It sounds like good advice to me. Basically, telling kids to set their priorities.

 

Is there something I'm missing?

"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."

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This speech is fine.  When it was announced that he was giving a speech to school children, it was accompainied by a "lesson plan" demanding students to list how they were going to help Obama accomplish his goals.  This is where outrage came from, as this borders on indoctrination.  Obama lovers just don't want to mention that, because they think that anyone who doesn't blindly support Obama has to be racist.

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Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

There's nothing controversial about the speech itself.  It's just that some drama queens who don't like Obama's health care reform policies decided to throw a fit and say they didn't want their children being "indoctrinated with his socialist mindset," or whatever, and got the speech banned from a couple schools.  Even though the speech will be about education and nothing else.

They created the controversy out of thin air.  Like I said in my previous post, it's just people being douchebags.

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Let me put this a little better.

The controversy was created because the ignorant right-wing created it. Seriously does anyone with a straight mind can come up with a feasable complaint about the speech. Other than the lesson plan there was nothing else to complain about.

I have said this once and I will repeat it again. The neo-cons are not against Obama's policies or the democrats as a party, they just pissed off because a black man is in the white house and their party got creamed in 08. How can you explain their vocabulary?? Listen to the talk show hosts and their blabbering. Hell even Glenn Beck made my jaw drop with so much crap he came out with those whacked out theories crica The DaVincci Code.

No matter how much they'll try to cover it, their true colors shine through. As a conservative myself I am so ashamed that I renounced my membership to the party (last April) and as an american I am outraged and appauled that unexcusable behaviors like this are still present.

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@Lou:

"Disagreement" has a peculiar ring. "Hatred" has its own peculiar ring. It ain't that hard to distinguish between the two.

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

Yep, because the only reason anyone could have a problem with the Obama white house is because they're racist.  I couldn't have anything to do with a projected 3 trillion dollar deficit over the next ten years due to his policies, which cannot be paid for.  I couldn't have anything to do with his attempt to pay for his policies being carried by small businesses around our nation.  It couldn't have anything to do with him wanting to take over industries in this nation instead of finding simpler, cheaper and more effective solutions involving the free market.  It couldn't have anything to do with him hiring people that are professed racists and sexists.

Oh, thank you for bringing this up.  I'm so glad that you have openned my eyes.  It was right in front of me, but I never saw.  I thought all those other complaints might have actually had merit.

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Wow, where did you came up with this? Oh yeah the neo-cons. I guess you don't remember that most OF the deficit in the next ten years is also inherited from the old administration. Oh gee I guess you don't remember that. So let's blame Obama like he the first president to sit in office. Grow up junior Bush racked up our deficit like Paris Hilton with an American Express Gold card and nobody wants to notice it. Obama comes out with a policy and all if a sudden "Small business are gonna pay for the deficit" and by god let's not forget "Our children in inherit this deficit". Gimme a break. Oh and I am a small business owner and I have yet to see the so called tax hikes you are suggesting on your post.

In short you just proved my point, republican president throws money like crazy and everyone applauds, democrat president throws money around OH DEAR GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?! and "queue the lunatics" I am conservative but I am a rational person as well. I have true and genuine disagreements with some of his policies but that doesn't mean that I don't have respect for the man.

I want and love constructive debates about things that affect our nation as a whole. But when someone comes with the same garbage over and over again that has been used by democrats and republicans alike and if there is no subatance to their claims it's very hard to give them some merit.

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Do you not watch the news?  Senator Baucus' proposed plan to pay for Obamacare calls for an 8% payroll tax on any business with fewer than 250 employees, meaning they have to pay the government an amount equal to 8% of what they pay their employees for tha year.  You tell me, as a small business owner, that this wouldn't be detrimental to your business?  If that's the case, you have a very, VERY lucrative business, doing much better than anyone I know that runs a small business.  And, no, not "most of" the deficit is from Bush.  The CBO says that Obama is spending more money since he's been in office than Bush did over his last two years as president.  You know, the Congressional Budget Office, that politically unbiased organization of our government that determines how much money we spend.

As far as no substance to the claims, what substance is there to the claim that the only reason anyone could disagree with the President is because they're racist?

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Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

Can we talk about the CBO's point that over the first 2 years of his presidency, Obama will rack up 3.08 TRILLION in deficit spending?  And that he did this after years of claiming all of Bush's spending was 'wasteful' and that it would be an 'undue strain upon future generations', that our children and grandchildren would pay for? Yes, Bush increased the deficit.  But NOWHERE NEAR as fast as Obama did. Oh, and as a small business owner as well, let me just say, we'll be seeing the tax increase soon, believe it.

 

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Nevermind the fact that both H.W. Bush and Regan gave speaches to the schools that students were forced to watch. And Regan's speach was about trickle-down economics. Obama's speach has always been as bland as posted to the WH website yesterday. The suggested teaching suplements supplied by the WH press office sucked ass, but meh...

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Hey, did you also notice that he only talked to HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS?

From the Speech: As you know, my remarks are being broadcast live over radio and television to high school students throughout the country.

So, he wasn't forcing students to follow some 'lesson plan', he wasn't telling people what to get out of his speech, and he didn't talk about his policies in any more than a passing way, telling them basically the STATE OF THE NATION.

On the other hand, Obama's speech started out with all the fixins for a politicized piece that our narcissist president loves so much, and, because he was called on his bullshit, ended up much more innocent, although a complete and utter waste of class time.

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Well, they're not even being forced to watch this.  And many schools are just making it an option.  Some local schools where I live aren't showing it in class, but are posting it up on their lesson/grade/online something-or-other school website so the kids can watch it if they want. 

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And that's great for the schools.  My problem is with the federal government trying to push a lesson plan and pushing for schools to have kids watch it and then talk about the 'great leader'.

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I actually asked a concervative I know about this...

His initial claim was he does not think the president should be indocternating children and that parents should have the right to opt out of them.

I then pointed out that these speeches were nothing new, and that Regan/Bush/Clinton/Bush all did them too.

At which point his argument turned to 'don't put obama in the same catagory as those patriots!'

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Wait, what's this?  http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

My goodness.  Oh, and Bush/Clinton/Bush didn't issue 'lesson plans' asking the teachers to ask the children what they could do to help the president reach his goals.  Bush Sr's speech was basically 'get an education or you'll be a nobody' from it inception.  Bush Jr. never sent out lesson plans or suggested that they watch his speeches, although many schools post 9/11 stopped everything to watch basically every speech given by ANYONE in the government.  And personally, I don't recall Clinton EVER forcing kids to watch a televised speech, although he did do a lot of talking about our education system.

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From your article you linked:

The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."

 

Do you really think there's no grounds for people to complain about that?

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How much do you think Obama's speech cost?  Probably relatively the same.  The difference is that the democrats, after a wave of spending the likes of which this country has NEVER seen, don't seem to care about wasting money for Obama to stage a speech, so, of course, there will be no 'investigation' into the whole thing.  Oh, and unlike Obama, H. W. Bush didn't send out lesson plans, which surely added to the budget for this speech.  Oh, and that lesson plan has been revised AT LEAST 3 times, so, you know, more of a waste of time and money for a government already wasting enough of both.

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I think you're missing the point here - the complaints were that Bush Sr. made a speech telling kids to stay in school after cutting school funds.

How is it that that is fine and dandy to you, but providing optional lesson plans is wasteful and wicked?

 

Or are you just dodging the point again because it makes a republican look bad?

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I think you're missing my point.  After RECORD spending in a recession, Obama decides to waste money producing a video.

Also, he didn't 'cut school funds'. He cut back on free lunches.  BIG difference.

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Its still a cut regarding education, regardless of what part it came from, but good on you for trying to justify his actions while condemning the current guy's. There's no double standard there at all.

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Lunch =/= Education

I do not support either president's actions of spending money to address the youth, but I am not going to throw stones at one for something he didn't do either. I don't support the address to the youth because it is a fool's errand. No child will hear the speech and say, 'Golly! I just need to do what this guy says and I will be alright.'

I would love for a politician to stand up and say plain and simple, 'The bulk of you aren't going to amount to much in this world. You will work a menial job and barely get by, that is the cold hard truth of it. You could be the smartest in your class and still be a stock boy at Wal-mart or you might be dumb as a rock and land a job as the 'gifted' kid's supervisor.  The simple truth is you need this education to get even the most basic of jobs to survive in Today's society. Do yourself a favor and stay in school so you aren't starving on the street or turning tricks for blow.'

I would vote for that guy.

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Maybe instead Obama should read "My Pet Goat" with a dumb-ass look on his face while the nation comes under terrorist attack? Then segue into a long, awkward silence while he feverishly wishes one of his Daddy's buddies would hurry up and tell him what to do?

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I can't say that I would have acted any different had I been in Bush's position at the time. I don't see why he he should have acted any different. 

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Surely it takes a moment to process that 3000 people and 2 of America's landmark buildings were destroyed, and to think about what the next step should be.  I know I'd have probably stopped for a minute or two to ponder such things.

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Probably true, but I reckon if a non republican/consertaive president was to do the same, conservatives/republicans would be screaming about how indecisive, not ready for the job, etc said president is. 

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You mean like Michael Moore did?

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How is Michael Moore a Republican?  The man oozes socialism from every fat fold. Also, his movies are full of shit.

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

I meant "Like Michael Moore did to Bush", to highlight that "screaming about how indecisive, not ready for the job, etc said president is."isn;t limited to the Republican side of things. I also dislike the fat, smug know-it-all piece of crap.

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Yeah, he's a dick.  I haven't seen one film he's released yet that hasn't been debunked thoroughly by the end of the year.  Hell, Bowling for Columbine was a great example of what an asshole can do with a lot of time to edit a film.

 
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