Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to Students

September 8, 2009 -

Amid protests and counter-protests, President Barack Obama will deliver a 20-minute speech on the value of education to America's students this morning.

The Back to School event has been banned from some school districts whose managers are apparently being influenced by the squeaky wheels among the anti-Obama crowd.

In any case, the White House has pre-published the text of the Prez's speech. And, once again, Obama will reference video games - specifically the Xbox:

I’ve talked about your teachers’ responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.

 

I’ve talked about your parents’ responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

 

I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.

 

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed...


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Have you ever stopped to ponder anything? If so, with what are doing all that pondering? And don't be making jokes, talking about "my brain."

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Damnit, I keep posting in the wrong place.  I'm done for today.

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At least he wouldn't be trying to push his agenda on kids like he was this time around.  But hey, tell me how well you respond the next time something catastrophic like that occurs.  Hell, I remember that I spent the whole day on the phone seeing if my dad was dead or not.  I remember seeing dozens of people crowded around the television, doing nothing but watching for horus on end.  That night people were crowded into my basement watching TV.  9/11 was a day when the nation stopped for a while.

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Frankly, I could give a rat's ass how you responded. You ain't the Commader-in-Chief and, therefore, ain't under any particular obligation to respond in any way at all. Unlike Bush.

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I guarantee Obama's response would have been nearly the same, except instead of fighting the Taliban, he'd have wanted to sit down and talk with their leaders.

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I can only imagine how this would turn out - 

Obama:  Mr. Bin Laden, I'm glad I can take this opportunity to try to find a middle ground between our peoples.

Bin Laden:  DEATH TO AMERICA!!!

O:  Please, sit down and have a non-alcoholic beverage with me.

BL:  DEATH TO AMERICA!!!

O:  So, I was wondering if there was any way that we could move beyond the postering and attempt to maintain a dialogue.

BL:  DEATH TO AMERICA!!!  ALLAH AKHBAR!!!

[At this point, one of Bin Laden's lackeys would blow himself up, killing the President, as the US President, regardless of his political leanings, would be too good of a target to pass up.]

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Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

The Taliban weren't behind the attacks.

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It ain't like Dr. Lewis to have niggling trifles like facts get in his way.

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Al-Qaeda was.  However, the Taliban has always been on good terms with OBL, thus the reason he was believed (correctly) to be hiding in Afghanistan. Osama was often a guest of the Taliban in the years since he played a role in the fight in Mogadishu.

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Yeah, those teaching supplements 'sucked ass'.  You know, what with them pushing for children to wonder what they can do to help Obama reach his goals.  There seem to be a lot of things 'poorly written' and 'poorly said' in this White house.

Oh, and http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

After Bush gave a speech, the Democrats held hearings.  So, you know, nice double standard.

But this speech wasn't 'bland' from it's beginning.  Like most things in the Obama administration thus far, it started out a lot worse, and probably, had no one noticed, our nation's children would be in class hearing about how Obama wants our kids to get green jobs and free healthcare, or they'd be watching that ridiculous I Pledge video that those kids in SLC were forced to watch.  For an administration with so much claim to transparency, Obama sure turned out to be absolutely full of shit, though like any politician, he changes when he's caught.  That's why he repeatedly has to throw his friends and advisers under the bus.

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How to reach his goals, lol?  I don't know about that, and no offense but most kids won't know anything about political issues and the answers to them (some adults dont either for that matter), so I doubt they could even answer the question, but I don't see anything wrong with how can you help the president and this country if I was asked as a student. I would likely answer that I can help this country and the president by doing my best in school, study hard, respect my parents, be good to my little sister, etc. No biggie there.  I don't see the big controversy, but then again if these nuts are really afraid of little johnie being brainwashed in school, they probably should pull them out of said school and I guess they can always just have him read the bible for an "education".  I do wonder if a republican was in office and he was giving a similar speech to kids, would yall be pulling your kids out?

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If a Republican was going to push a political agenda on my child and ask them how they can 'pledge to help (president here) or 'help McCain achieve his goals'?  You bet your ass I would.  Schools are politicized enough already, we don't need more of that from the president. 

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"... our nation's children would be in class hearing about how Obama wants our kids to get free healthcare."

 

Wait! This is gonna go off topic but you don't think children deserve free health care? You really don't want five year old Billy Smith to get treatment for leukemia because his mother's job as a receptionist doesn't offer medical benefits and she doesn't have a house to put up for a second mortgage?

So if a child's parents can't afford insurance then that child doesn't deserve medical care? Please tell me you/American's are not that selfish.

"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

Children already get free healthcare in some states.  Aside from that, no hospital will refuse someone a necessary procedure.  There are, also, all sorts of lovely charities that will pay for little Billy Smith to get leukemia treatment, in exchange for him maybe starring in a commercial at most.

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Of course, most first world countries don't NEED charities to pay for little Billies leukemia treatment,, but I guess that's too unamerican.

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Are these the same first world countries where women can't get medication to treat osteoporosis?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1211754/Restrictions-prescription-osteoporosis-drugs-defy-belief-says-leading-doctor.html

Billy can be thankful he lives in the country with the highest cancer survival rate.  Of course, this may be in part due to the fact that Billy won't have to wait for up to 18 months to get that Bone Marrow Transplant he'll need.

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And Billy's mother can be thankful she has $200,000 laying around to pay for Billy's treatment... but she doesn't... But at least she can file for bankruptcy while she's harrased by the hospital's creditors. No pain no gain, right? Charities never/rarely have enough money to help everyone they need to.

"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."

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You find that charities give money to five year olds with Leukemia pretty fucking quickly.  They seem to be at the top of the list.

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I'd like to take a moment to call horse crap.

Yes there are charities that help children, however it's not just children who can't get health insurance and THAT is the problem. You're quite correct that hospitals are required to give necessary care but what people like you fail to realize is that hospitals have a group of people called bill collectors. They call and send letters repeatedly asking for payment, even when a person can't afford to pay the bill. I know because I'm in that situation now.

The point about reforming health insurance is making sure everyone is covered as health care should be a right not a privilege. The republican "plan", or the talking points that they want covered do nothing but help corporations and not the people that they represent. Buying across state lines would only raise everyone's rates because companies would increase said rates to those that would reflect what they charge in states where they can charge more. You would also see a decrease in what they would cover because they would try and make sure that you'd get as little coverage as possible. Thus people would end up paying more for less.

There's also the problem of tort reform. Now I think most people can agree that trying to put the kibosh on truly frivolous lawsuits would be a good thing. However the typical republican methodology is to make it harder to sue for ANY reason and that's not good at all.

Something does have to be done to help people who can't get health insurance, because not all of those people qualify for medicaid.

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Apparently, you don't know dick about capitalism.  In Minnesota, there are only four companies that offer medical insurance.  You really think I'd pay more if they had to compeet with 1,600 other insurance companies?  Competition only LOWERS prices.  That's the whole argument for a public option, being that it would create competition, forcing insurance companies to lower insurance rates.  It probably would work, but nowhere near as much as having to compete with 1,600 other insurance companies.

As for a decrease in coverage, that's because of the proposed tax on insurance companies for all of their most expensive plans offered.  A tax proposed by Democratic Senator Baucus.  Not a Republican in sight.

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And apparently you know nothing about insurance, as opposed to my Mom who worked for a company that had to make sure that insurance companies weren't in violation of Michigan law. She's got a lot of first hand knowledge of just how crooked businesses like AIG really are.

If a federal law comes into effect that would allow people to buy over state lines then everyone's rates would go up. The reason for this is that insurance companies would no longer have to set their prices on a state by state level. They could create a national rate AND offer less coverage because they would no longer be constrained by state by state laws regarding coverage. A national policy would be enacted that would very likely offer less then what people are getting now. If you honestly believe that insurance companies wouldn't do something that underhanded then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you because apparently you'll buy anything.

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And, with 1600 other insurance companies to compete with, all someone would have to do is continue to charge the same rate while everyone else raises theirs.  They get all the business while the other ones collapse because they have no customers.

Do you really think that all 1600 companies are going to raise their prices to the exact same level at the exact same time?  Supply and demand, my friend.  There aren't enough uninsured in this country for that kind of a raise in prices.

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Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

You must have really hated JFK's inaugural address when he said, "And so my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."

"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."

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Well that's something that needs fixing. What makes a kid so f***ing special?

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AAAHAHAAA, You STILL treat the Daily Fail as a reputable source!

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Americans have never been ones to let things like child welfare get in the way of capitalism. GIVE a childs parent medication? F**K THAT SHIT! SELL the parent the medication, now we're talking!

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If nobody sold medication, where would the money for such a medication come from in the first place?

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I'd tell you that they're not but I'd be lying to you.

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Hi. Speak for yourself. Thanks.

America is not homogenous; don't believe the lies.

Re: Obama To Mention Xbox in Controversial Speech to ...

Your criticising THIS White House for having things poorly said, after 8 years of George W. "Nucular" Bush?

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There's a difference between mispronunciation (or in some cases making words up) and having to change your message because what you said to the people was so offensive or stupid.  Obama has to do that repeatedly.  A great example is the whole Henry L. Gates thing, when he suggested it was racism at work instead of saying 'well, I don't know all the facts, so I won't make a judgment'.

Obama's administration seems to repeatedly word things in a very interesting way (the kind of wording you'd expect in, say, the USSR), and then have to 'edit' the comments after the fact. 

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Yeah. HOW DARE he realize he's wrong and admit mistake. What a jerk!

One of the things I both liked and hated most about Bush was his "Fuck you, I'm a Texan" attitude.

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Did he think he was wrong?  Or did he realize what he had done pissed the American people off?  That's the thing; Obama tends to piss the people off first, and then backtrack later.

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It seems entirely speculation at this point. To me it looked like he was "a typical" racially offended minority at first until he (either had it explained to him or) realized his emotional response was not the rational, logical one (as they rarely tend to be). There is a social 'disease' spread between minorities that results in presumptuous attitudes when it comes to potential, alleged racism.

Then again perhaps it's not only limited to minorities, from reading some of these responses.

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Perhaps the microbe that spreads the disease of presumptuous attitudes when it comes to potential, alleged racism among minorities is a long-standing history of victimization by actual, substantiated racism.

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He did a lot more than mispronounce a few words, as well you know. THere are whole websites dedicated to 'Bushisms'.

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008

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See, that sounds made up to me.  Is there a real, reliable link to that one, or is it just something someone claims he said?

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It's funny, since many of the things you've been saying sound made up to me.  This "original" speech sounds like something the Conservative talking heads made up to scare otehr conservatives and increase ratings.

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 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

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"Fool me once, shame on . . . shame on you. Fool me . . . you can't get fooled again" - George W. Bush

By the end of that crap, he sounds like he's resorted to quoting the Who. 

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Off the topic of video games, but it saddens me that some people in this country can't drop the politics bullshit even for this.  Those people that don't want to have their kids hear the speech, because they don't like him (I heard one excuse that they didn't want him "preaching socialism" to children, which is just absurd on so many levels).  It's the President talking to children about education, for crying out loud!  There should at least be a small shred of respect for the Office, even if you disagree with his politics.  People created controversy where there shouldn't be any.

When did this country become so full of douchebags?

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This isn't about Obama as a person: it's the voraciousness of his speech. Too much of anything is a bad thing, including education. We're already pushing our kids too hard. We want them to be rocket scientists, because we aren't and kids are just little extentions of ourselves, right? Teaching algebra in 5th grade? Calculus in 8th?! My daughter can read (a little) at 2 1/2 years old. She's never set foot in preschool. People say that's smart. It's not: it's status quo. She's a C student. What more do you want?

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Must be a good school then.

Because here all they're worried about is TAKS test scores.  You'd be damn lucky these days to be taught something other than how to pass that test.  And I'm completely serious.  I know teachers who were told not to teach certain things and "just focus on TAKS" or "Don't teach them extra stuff."  

I saw the signs of it while I was still in HS, and it's gotten a LOT worse since.  If you're smart enough to be in the high level classes, then thank your lucky stars you're actually learning SOMETHING.  

I'm not saying we should be teaching them chemical engineering when they're 10, and I agree that pushing them too hard will burn them out.  But so will only pushing the minimum. 

I took algebra in 8th grade, and Calculus in 12th.  Calculus in 8th grade is pretty exagerrated, but very basic algebra is fairly simple, and there's no reason not to introduce the basic concepts that early.  Should already know how to add, subtract, multiply and divide by then.

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So, would you rather our kids be dumb as rocks? If you ask me, give them every bit of information thier brains can handle. If some of them can handle more than others, put them in more advanced classes. The earlier and longer kids are exposed to advanced topics and curriculum, the smarter they become in the long run. It might not be enjoyable to the kids, considering all they probably want to do is play games and have fun, but in the long run it is worth it.

Thats not to say that they shouldn't be given time for leisurely activities. Im not saying give a first grader 8 hours of homework. What I'm saying is: If the kid can handle the advanced topic, why not? I know that my education was hamstrung by other, dumber classmates. I could have learned so much more, and then some, if my teachers weren't spending 3 days teaching concepts that I learned in 1 hour. In all reality, I'd have loved to been educated by a program strictly tailored to my abilities, but my parents weren't rich, so I had to go to public school..

If I had my way, we'd be separating kids into different Ability levels, and teaching them based on that, rather than one curriculum for all students. Separate the stupid ones, and teach them at the pace necessary to have them learn, and separate the advanced ones, to teach them faster, so that they learn more. I am aware that schools do something like this already, with thier advanced/normal/remedial classes, but I'm talking to a larger scale. Really weed out the students who will hamstring others, separate them from the smarter students, so the ones who truly have the ability to learn will get everything they possibly can..

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It IS rather saddening. My cousin kept coming up to me with question on his math, and i was surprised at what they were teaching him. And he's only 6 years behind me, or thereabouts, i can't keep track anymore due to diploma complications, but that's another story.

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The original lesson plan the Whitehouse sent out didn't make any mention of education.  Instead, it was all about things like 'how can you help the president achieve his goals', which is moronic, and inspires a cult of personality style viewpoint.  The people aren't here to serve Obama, he's here to serve us, and he apparently doesn't understand that.  That's why so many parents were pissed off; he had a lesson plan that read like something out of Cuba, Saddam's Iraq, or Hitler's Germany.

Of course, as seems to be a common theme in this administration, when he got called on it, he backpedaled, said that the lesson plan was 'poorly written', and changed his tone.

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Sounds like someone in the PR department made a really stupid decision and should probably be fired for typing it up like that.  You can't pin every little thing on Obama, because he's got a huge staff to do that kind of shit for him.  It's possible he approved it, but if it were me, and someone came in saying "Hey yeah I've got this summary thing to put out for your speech," I'd probably just go "Yeah, just put up whatever, Iran is building nukes, I'm busy."

 

 

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Any time something controversial happened under President Bush, the liberals in this country shouted that it had to be him.  Now, the shoe's on the other foot.  So what is it?  Is it all the President's fault, or not?  It can't be one way for one president and the other for the next.

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Pipe down kiddo, the grown ups are talking.

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