Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers Get For Free

September 9, 2009 -

Usually, it's the PC crowd that gets dissed by game publishers. But in the case at hand Valve is doing right by computer gamers while Microsoft seems intent upon squeezing the last nickel out of Xbox 360 owners.

At issue is Crash Course,  a bit of DLC for the popular zombie shooter Left 4 Dead. Valve, which doesn't charge for DLC, plans to give Crash Course away to PC players. Meanwhile MS will be nicking 360 gamers $7 for the download.

Not that he has any explaining to do (although MS does), but Valve's Chet Faliszek told Eurogamer why it's happening this way:

We own our platform, Steam. Microsoft owns their platform. They wanted to make sure there's an economy of value there...

Via: The Consumerist


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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

QUICK, START A PETITION!!111

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

I'm one of the petitioners.  Our issue was not about free content.  I've always been willing to pay for DLC.  The issue is that they are releasing what was supposed to be L4D DLC as a separate game (L4D2) and charging us $60 for it.  This new content will draw players away from L4D and will effectively kill a perfectly good game that Valve promised to support.

It's a straw man to say that our issue is all about charging us for DLC.  I expect less ignorance about gaming issues on GP.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

I think I have just come up with your theme song.

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Come on stop complaining about them coming up with a new game. Havn't you noticed that they are not just releasing an expansion but releasing a full sequal. Just becuase yiou can't look back at valves history at release quality sequals does not give you the right to keep beating this dead horse.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

And how exactly do you know it was 'supposed to be' DLC?  It sure looks like a whole new game with whole new special infected, a new class, new weapons, and new maps to me. So, you know, I'm going to suggest that you're full of shit.  It may have started out as a DLC idea and then evolved into a whole different game, but it isn't 'supposed to be DLC'. 

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Your last sentence contradicts itself.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

So, what you're saying is that I can't have an idea that starts out maybe as a new level and a new special infected, and then, instead of releasing it, build onto it until it becomes worthy of being a whole new game in of itself?  

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree, but you can believe whatever you want.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

No.  What I'm saying is if you have an idea that starts out as DLC and evolves into a new game you can't say that it didn't start out as DLC.  Such as you stated in your self contradictory statement.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

The thing you're missing is that this whole point was hypothetical anyway.  I don't believe for a minute that L4D2 started out as DLC, and I think Bennet is just suffering from that entitlement that's been going around these days.  It's a game with different characters, different special infected, different weapons (although some old favorites will make a return, supposedly) different maps, and even a differently run 'director'. 

What Bennet was saying was the L4D2 was supposed to be DLC for L4D, and that is simply not something that can be proved.  Did the idea maybe start out as one for some DLC?  Perhaps.  But when they took it beyond the concept of something small enough to be an add-on and made it into another game, it can no longer be called, nor traced, to its DLC roots.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Good.  We don't have enough entitlement around here.  We have far too many children here who thinks that they should be seen and not heard.  Nothing has ever been accomplished by sitting on your laurels and just accepting things.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Valve said that L4D2 started off as levels for L4D1 that didn't make it in for whatever reason.  They said this at E3 to all the gaming press after the announcement for L4D2.  I would then go on to suggest that what's in L4D2 was never intended as DLC for L4D1.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

" I would then go on to suggest that what's in L4D2 was never intended as DLC for L4D1."

Except for the first sentence when you said it was.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

No.  I said it was leftover levels from the development of L4D.  Where in that phrase is anything about DLC?

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

You mean apart from those levels.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Those levels weren't intended as DLC either.  They were created for the original game's release, but were culled, as it was felt they detracted from what they wanted to do with the game, much like movie directors cut scenes from movies that just don't give the movie the "feel" they were going for.  Now, someone may have thought about doing DLC, but that wouldn't make any sense either, because they were pulled for taking away from that game.  DLC is generally supposed to add to a game, not take from it.  However, they were able to change and adapt those levels to form the basis of L4D2.

At least, this is what I took from the Valve interviews at E3.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Valve hinted, implied, and I believe even outright stated that new enemies, weapons, and campaigns would be released as DLC for L4D. A whole year later we get 1 campaign, shortly before the release of L4D2. They're clearly trying to sap money from us at this point, because L4D2 is basically L4D but with new skins and the type of updates that were hinted/implied/stated for L4D, and only a year later.

We aren't saying that Valve CAN'T do this, we just think that it's a pretty greedy thing to do, and a shame because of how nice they usually act. Sadly, I do want to play the game, and do plan on buying it, even if I think that it is definitely not worth $60.

As for whether or not L4D2 started as DLC: They're adding new weapons like they said they would for L4D DLC. Same with enemies (that's the biggy). I think they definitely meant to include a bunch of those features in L4D's DLC, but then realized that if they did a couple more hours of work they could make a new game and charge lots more money for it. Selfish, yes. Legal, yes. A good business decision? We shall see.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

No, what I would say is that you can't have an idea. Period. You ain't got the wherewithal to be having no ideas.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Not to mention VALVe announced it as such... I wonder if AL would like the press release. I get them in the mail:

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MORE LEFT 4 DEAD DLC ANNOUNCED

 

Crash Course Campaign Due in September

 

August 4, 2009 - Valve, creators of best-selling game franchises (such as Half-Life, Portal, Team Fortress, and Counter-Strike) and leading technologies (such as Steam and Source), today announced the next major downloadable content (DLC) update for its co-operative zombie thriller, Left 4 Dead (L4D), the #1 new game title on Xbox 360 and PC in 2008

            Entitled "Crash Course," the latest DLC delivers new single-player, multiplayer and co-operative gameplay to both platforms. Targeted for release in September, "Crash Course" bridges the gap between the end of the "No Mercy" campaign and the beginning of "Death Toll" in the original game, expanding the game universe with new locations, new dialogue from the original cast, and an explosive finale

While containing both Survival maps and a Co-operative Campaign, the primary goal of "Crash" is to deliver a complete Versus mode experience in just 30 minutes, resulting in a streamlined version of the game's existing Versus campaigns. A recharge timer for infected teammates has also been added, and item spawn behavior has changed for more balanced gameplay.

"Since the release of Left 4 Dead last November, the design team has been excited about creating new experiences for this world and allowing players to do the same, by releasing much of our internal toolset, like the Survival Pack and Authoring Tools," said Gabe Newell. "We're working with the fans toward the ongoing entertainment value of the product."

Left 4 Dead is an action horror game from Valve that blends the social entertainment experience of multiplayer games such as Counter-Strike and Team Fortress with the dramatic, narrative experience made popular in single player action game classics such as the Half-Life series of games. Released in November of 2008, L4D has earned over 50 industry awards from outlets around the world and sold almost 3 million copies worldwide.

Left 4 Dead: Crash Course is targeted for release in September and will be available free of charge on the PC and for 560 Gamer points on Xbox Live.

            For more information, please visit www.l4d.com

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Looks like DLC to me...


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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Crash Course is the DLC that's being released for 7 USD.  I was talking about how Left 4 Dead 2 was not 'DLC'.  So, you know, that's some good reading comprehension.  Come on man, I expect better from you.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

That was my error. I mis-read. You are correct. Indeed, Left 4 Dead 2 is not DLC. It was never designed as such. It was rebuilt completely from the ground up: A new director, a revamped engine, etc.; it's just an entirely different game.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

I actually agree with your concerns there, but in this case it's about Mircro$oft and not Valve.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

You, again, missed the point.  No one is really all that upset about having to pay for content.  This is not, despite strawmen set up by immature members here, about entitlement.  There are some people here who really need to grow up.  When you were a child you pretty much had to take whatever was thrown your way because you were a child and your rights and choices were effectivly nill.  But to say that a group of adults need to just act like children by keeping their mouths shut and letting Valve do as they please is really stupid.

When you were a child if you were served undercooked/burnt food by your mother you had two choices: eat it or get beat.  As an adult if you are served undercooked/burnt food at a restaurant you have every right to send it back to the kitchen.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

No, you missed the point. Quite significantly. This article is NOT about Valve charging $7 for the DLC on XBox, this is about Microsoft charging $7 for Valves DLC that Valve is quite happy to give away for free on PC.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

You, still, are missing the point.  The point you were responding to states that no one cares if they have to pay for content, further no one cares if Valve or Microsoft is the one getting the money.  The comment you were responding to made no issue of if there was a charge or who was making the charge.  Ergo: You missed the point.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

THe point I was responding to missed the point, I corrected them, and you jumped in without engaging the ole neurons saying I was the one missing the point.

And yes, I'm capable and willing to keep this up all day.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

-------------------------------------------------- I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

You missed the point that no one gives a damn about Micro"$"oft charging for this content.  You attempted to shoehorn this into something that the people who have a problem with the whole L4D disaster care about, which they do not.

The only person who seems to think that anyone thinks that this is a problem is you.  Therefore you are still missing the point.

Of course you are also a troll, and I'm likely falling for your stupid shit to get responses.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

First of all, it was a joke.  Settle down.

Second of all, do you have any proof, any proof at all, that L4D2 was SUPPOSED to be DLC for L4D1?  If so, I suggest you tell us what it is, because I've never heard this before.  Either that, or GROW UP BECAUSE L4D2 IS COMING AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Many of the things promised when the original Left 4 Dead was released (Gabe's statement can be read here: http://www.left4deadforums.com/662-new-weapons-levels-even-boss-zombies....) was instead put into Left 4 Dead 2. The original Left 4 Dead is a very great game but as many have said, its content is very limited in its current state. It's those unfufilled promises that make this sequal feel like an elaborate expansion pack. However, I think what most were hoping for is for Left 4 Dead to receive the same Treatement as Team Fortress 2 (it has more than doubled in content since its original release).

Personally, I will still be buying Left 4 Dead 2. It would be very nice if Left 4 Dead 2 player can join in on original Left 4 Dead campaigns so that the old game does not die out while everyone is playing the new maps.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

And what, pray tell, is the historical precedent upon which you base that expectation? If it truly never rains in Southern California, then why are you carrying around that umbrella?

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Well i don't know squat about sports games, but i would ask, how many people still play madden 2008, after picking up madden 2009? Though a bit more realtive, what about FPS with online muliplayer... how many people still played Halo 2 online, once Halo 3 came out? probably nobody since downright everyone moved to halo 3... but ofcourse one of the big differences there would that the two games had several years between them, had signifcant upgrades and people were downright ready to move on... The problem with L4D and L4D2, is that the differences between the games are rather minimal... as such, many players will not be too eager to move on and thus will keep playing the 1st game... the result of this would be that the L4D community would get split between those who are ready to move on, and those who decided to stay behind... And if everyone did move on to L4D2, then L4D would probably begin to die off due to a lack of a community to support.

 

As someone who does not own the game but played and loved it and planned on getting it myself, I am not sure on which side of the community i should stand... i mean, if i get L4D, i can play with my friends who have the game... but then i feel like i'll be missing out on the new content of L4D2... but then i'm not sure if my friends (all or some) will buy the new game as they still have fun with the first... kinda of an annoying spot to be in

It kinda feels similar to the feeling i got when i finally saved enough money for a playstation, but then found out the PS2 was coming out soon... except with the PS2 i get EVERYTHING the PS1 provided and then some, thus making it easy to decide whether to buy or wait... unlike l4d2, where i'm not sure if my friends will be coming along aswell

 Frankly, i'd be estatic if they did figure out how to make sure L4D1 and L4D2 players could play together, thus eliminating that issue (i vageuly recall hearing something about that, but i could be mistaken and thinking of something else)... i mean if they did that then the only real loss of L4D1 would be when playing offline, and i think L4D thrives more on the online end, via it's community

 

Though y'know i do find it a bit ironic... i mean, Releasing a game one year later is exactly what valve should be doing with half life episodes; while a true blue sequal is meant to be saved for several years later; after the community had grown bored with the first game... Valve got it all backwards

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

We're entitled to FREE DLC!  I mean, we paid for the game, why can't we get the extra content free!  LET'S NOT BUY THE NEXT L4D, AND LET'S NOT BUY FROM VALVE EVER AGAIN! Rabble rabble rabble rabble.

Seriously though, I guess I'll just pay the 7 bucks.  Not a big deal.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

*sarcasm* For someone who makes as much as you do, its not. *sarcasm*

:)

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

I like to think that if you can afford to A) have internet, B) have an xbox 360, C) Own L4D, which I haven't seen for less than 45 dollars ANYWHERE yet, D) own a TV, E) have the money to pay for Xbox live, then you should probably be able to find 7 dollars for DLC, even if you have to save up for a month or two. :P

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

You'd be wrong pretty much A) My interenet comes from my family, B) my Xbox 360 was a Christmas Present, C) Same as B, D) My parent's TV not mine, E) A friend gave me my Live Subscription for my birthday.

So really no, not everyone can afford the 7 dollars specially since you normally have to buy the points in lots of what a couple thousand or more so really said person has to only find 20 dollars...not a mere 7...

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

You can buy them in 10 dollar lots at Target and XBoxLive.  So, at most, you need 10 dollars.

Oh, also, I was assuming that the person in question was an adult, not a child. 

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Um thank you but I'm 26 years old and a college student...so automatically since I'm full time LD student meaning I spend way more then the average student studying that I'm some kind of child because I don't have the hours in my day to work? nice...and good for them if they have a target, my town doesn't, and I don't have a credit card since I'm not working.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Sure you do.  I'm sure that someone LD spends way more time studying.  Because, you see, I was in college years ago when the whole 'Learning Disabled' craze started, when people who were 'learning disabled' started getting extra treatment, from private tutoring to an hour or two more to take a test due to 'test anxiety' or some such nonsense.  And I can tell you the vast majority of them didn't spend 'more time studying'.  By the way, all the Learning Disabled students I knew had at least 1 job (ranging from 'sandwich artist' at Subway to used car salesman to librarian at the local public library).  Then again, most students I went to school with didn't have parents willing to baby them or pay their way once they got to the age of 18.  This is another one of those negative changes in our society; instead of pushing kids out of the home, parents are letting them stay there indefinitely.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Unlike Left 4 Dead 2, the Sniper vs. Spy update, and Hatgate, Valve is not at fault here. This is all Microsoft's doing, leave Valve alone.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

if valve wants to give away their DLC away I dont see how or why microsoft would stop them I mean valve doesnt have to release ANYTHING on the 360 half life 3 included perhapse microsoft might want to be a tad more ... accommodating to valve

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

This isn't the first time microsuck has forced a price onto dlc that the company making the game intended to be free.

 
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