France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

September 16, 2009 -

The third time was the charm for French President Nicolas Sarkozy, as the French parliament has passed a law targeting Internet pirates in that European country.

Dubbed the “Hadopi” law, for the government agency that will monitor the Internet for piracy, the law will warn suspected pirates twice, first by email, then by physical delivery, before giving a judge the right to cut Internet access and issue fines and/or prison terms.

According to The Mail Online, the law is expected to begin being enforced before the end of the year.

In a battle of French celebrities, French First Lady Carla Bruni is apparently a proponent of the law, while sultry French actress Catherine Deneuve was against the law, even going so far as to issue the comment:

This law will punish the average amateur user, while the 'nerds' will find ways around it

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Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

I find it funny that people say that there is no way to watch this. Yes you can get around it, but a surprisingly large amount of people aren't smart enough to. The internet company I go through monitors downloading (guess what cause it goes through their system they can see every file you pull off the net by name and it doesn't just so IP address, it shows physical address as well). They routinly send out cease and decist letters and shut off people's internet access for illegal downloads. THey've even turned in customers to the RIAA for it.

The technology is there, just very few companies have chosen to use it. If you think you can hide what you're doing from the people giving you access you're terribly mistaken.

EDIT: Sorry abotu all the typos, it's been a long ass day and I'm tired.

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

Well obviously your ISP can see pretty much everything you do, but that is quite different from some government backed agency.

Also I have to ask, why are you using an ISP that does such things? They've obviously folded to the pressure from the media companies and the RIAA. A fair amount of ISP's don't look at all at what you're using it for and try their very best to not disclose any information on their customers. I've received a couple copyright complaints over the years but not from the ISP. They are all forwarded from the company and Telus does not disclose your identity or any other information about you.

Frankly, I would bail from any company that engages in that kind of behavior. Who knows who else they're giving your information to?

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

"In a battle of French celebrities, French First Lady Carla Bruni is apparently...."

If you dont know who she is, see her here, on youtube. I cant embed it :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8v4reUXkMs

You'l need a youtube account.

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

It got shot down once it will get shot down again....


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! Stop supporting big media and furthering the criminalization of consumers!! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

Actually, this law is "HADOPI 2", a modified version of the previous "Hadopi" bill which was ruled unconstitutional.

For information, HADOPI means : "Haute autorité pour la diffusion des œuvres et la protection des droits sur Internet" (you can translate it by : "High Authority for artwork circulation and copyright protection on the Internet"). The HADOPI law aims at creating an "independent" organization that will judge, among the complaints sent to it, who is a pirate and who is not.

Now, I have deeper respect for Catherine Deneuve, who used to be a great actress, than for Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, who is, to me, as much an embarrassment as her President husband.

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

Also known as "Lex Vivendi". And, yes, it seems as if the same kind of corruption that has befallen the US, UK, Germany and Italy has finally consumed France as well.

ZAR.

 

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

Bloody Carla Bruni... we smashed your Morris Marina! Dropped a piano on it! How about that, eh?

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

... LETS INVADE FRANCE WE CANT LOSE

but seriosly this law cant last long right? its only a matter of time before its struck down

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

 I thought France already struck this law down as unconstitutional?

 

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Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

Good luck trying to enforce this law, no way you can stop online piracy. Just ask the RIAA.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

It's France.  They can't even enforce the sovereignty of their borders, I doubt they'd be able to enforce anything involving the internet.

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Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

My college can't even police its 1300 students well enough to stop piracy. How can a country with 65 million people expect to monitor their online activities? As Dan said above, P2P has legal uses, so they can't just slap everyone who uses bittorrent with a fine, and they're going to have one helluva time figuring out who's doing what from public access points or on unencrypted networks. Hooray for threatening innocent people with legal action!

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

Awesome, one more step away from internet neutrality.

Now we don't lose privacy only for the sake of security, but we also lose privacy to protect big corporations money.

 

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Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

Monitoring services can identify when P2P traffic is going through a modem, but basic stuff like changing the modem MAC address (which is most likely against the ISP's TOS),transport encryption and proxies make it almost impossible to identify the nature of the data. P2P protocols have legal uses, so unless it can be proven the data is illegal in nature, It probably wouldn't be admissible. In a US court, anyway.

I use P2P for legal stuff like albums from OCremix.

------ Ago. Perceptum. Teneo.

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

Or grabbing your favorite version of Linux :D

~Weatherlight~

~Weatherlight~

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

 Or downloading that latest Wow Patch they use bittorrent as does many other MMOs now. 

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

...nerds. nerds. Nerds. Nerds. Nerds! Nerds! Nerds! NERDS! NERDS! NERDS! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS!!!!!11!1!!one!1!!!exclamationpoint!111!

Re: France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law

Whaddya know, actresses CAN say smart things outside of their acting roles.

Although I'm not in agreement on the term 'nerd'.

 
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