Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

September 28, 2009 -

A few weeks ago, UPS announced that it was pulling its advertising from Fox News because it disagreed with the inflammatory views of talk show host Glenn Beck. For those that missed the flap, Beck called President Obama a racist "with a deep-seeded hatred for white people." At least 33 companies have said they do not want their ads appearing on Beck's show.

In return, it looks like Stardock CEO Brad Wardell has taken the boycott a step further. According to the Angry Bear blog, Wardell has announced on his Facebook page that he is now boycotting UPS because they pulled their ads from Fox. He said Stardock does "a non-trivial amount of shipping with UPS" and if they did not change their position, he was taking Stardock's business to FedEx. 

The amount of business that UPS would lose should amount to a minor blip on their bottom line, but Wardell's stand of boycotting the boycotter makes for an interesting debate on supporting products you like, even though the executives may disagree with their political views. The Angry Bear points to his own views of Orson Scott Card and the upcoming Shadow Complex game.

Is this much ado about nothing, or can one voice become a collective roar? How far down the line will boycotts go? Will gamers who agree with UPS now boycott Stardock? Where do you stand?

Update: Wardell emailed GamePolitics with the following:

My Facebook comment was taken considerably out of context. I could care less about Glenn Beck or whether someone advertises on their show or not. But UPS is boycotting the entire channel which annoyed me enough to ask my publishing director to look into whether it was true (it was) and have them look into Fed Ex which provided competitive pricing and make use of them for our uses.
 

 


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Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

O, THAT'S who Joe Wilson is...Yeah I don't think that he's racist at all for what he did. A jerk, sure, but not inherently racist. And the Fireman case in (shit I forgot the name of the town) definitely shows that Sotomayor is very prejudice towards minorities.

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Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

*sigh,*@ Joe Wilson: Joe Wilson's outburst was a symbol of his racism, but its not what made him a racist. It was his comments about Thurmond's daughter that made him a racist. I'm not trying to imply that the outburst suddenly made him a racist, but rather he has shown these tendencies for some time. And yes, I do pay attention to these kind of things before they hit the national level. I'm a geek like that.

Austin:

No shit there are plenty of people who disagree with Obama who are not racists, but Joe Wilson isn't one of them.

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Are you shitting me about Sotomayor?  The calls made on her weren't by 'racists', but by people who caught her spewing bullshit.  And if she had said it once, maybe it would be possible she misspoke.  But she made racist comments repeatedly, and there was even some racist slant in her findings.  Empathy in the court room isn't something we need from Supreme Court Justices. And suggesting that the lashing out is driven is just retarded.

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On Sotomayor, you are full of shit. The charges of racism stem from either the firefighters decision or her "wise latina woman" claims, both of which have been thoroughly debunked. Not only was her speech comment taken completely out of context, then twisted, and twisted by right wing smear machines until she was forced to recant it, but out of the last 50 cases on discrimination she took on, she only ruled 3 of them in favor of the plantiff, and all of them were unanimous decisions.

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And inner cities are that way for a reason, and it has a lot to do with the people who live there.  White, Brown or Black, they're not educated, they're not intelligent, and more often than not, they're extremely fucking lazy.  And Affirmative Action is absolutely racist: it forces people to screw over more qualified candidates to meet a quota.  How is that fair?

Oh, and obviously, you can only see racism against yourself when you harbor racist ideals.  So wait, does that make Obama, Sotomayor, Wright, Sharpton, and the list goes on a bunch of racists?  Your thinking is absolutely flawed.

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Austin, nice job not reading my post you ignorant asswipe. "People IN THE MAJORITY see only see 'racism' against themselves when they harbor racist ideas." is what I said. 

HISTORY DID NOT START WHEN YOU WERE FUCKING BORN.

Did that sink in? HISTORY DID NOT START WHEN YOU WERE FUCKING BORN.

Whites held a hugely disproportionate amount of power for a very fucking long time. The Civil Rights movement happened fourty years ago, not four hundred. And yet, many inner city schools are still strongly segregated, recieve inadequite funding, are plagued by lack of law enforcement, and generate a perpeutal cycle of poverty. If you think they are that way because they are 'lazy', all it fucking shows is that you have never encountered severe economic difficulty in your goddamn life. And if Affirmative Action has EVER denied you a job, then perhaps it is because you were less qualified. That post alone makes you seem like a retarded twit.

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Joe Wilson is far less racist than someone like Sotomayor, who didn't make that statement once, but AT LEAST five times.  How is that 'debunked'?

As for your claim that only the majority can be discriminated against, that's absolutely fucktarded.  Saying that 'people in the majority only see racism against themselves when they harbor racist ideas' is a cop out.  Oh, and Democrats are the majority in government right now, so why are they constantly complaining about racism? 

And AFFIRMATIVE ACTION DENIES JOBS TO QUALIFIED APPLICANTS IN FAVOR OF APPLICANTS OF COLOR, which is DISCRIMINATION no matter how you cut it. 

You, sir, are the retarded twit.  I suggest you pull your head out of your ass.

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Oh, I forgot:

'And yet, many inner city schools are still strongly segregated, recieve inadequite funding, are plagued by lack of law enforcement, and generate a perpeutal cycle of poverty'

And what helps lead to that cycle of poverty?  The fact that when people do get money, they leave the area, the fact that the people there don't care enough to make sure their kids stay in school, the fact that inner city culture puts very little emphasis on education if any, the fact that law enforcement doesn't want to step into the area because it's dangerous for them, and many, many more factors.  Oh, and the reason that inner city schools don't get 'adequate funding'?  NOBODY PAYS FUCKING TAXES in the inner city, or nearly nobody.  When you have a district that doesn't pay taxes, it's not going to get as much money for projects like school improvement as, say, an area where people actually work instead of living off the taxpayer's dollar.

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

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Joe Wilson is far less racist than someone like Sotomayor, who didn't make that statement once, but AT LEAST five times.  How is that 'debunked'?

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The statement as quoted out of the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/15judge.html) was this: "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life"

It is debunked because the sttement was in of itself not racist. Regardless of political tiptoing around the issue, those of hispanic origin are far more likely to have grown up in impoverished circumstances. And its simple, basic fucking logic that one who has grown up in impoverished circumstances and has had to work much harder to get where they are would be far more effective  than one who hasn't.

You apparently have no idea how much easier one has it as a white person than a minority, and it shows so fucking blatantly how out of touch you are. This may or may not stem from your illiteracy, because if you had actually read the quote instead of parroted the blatant distortion that was put out by Republican talking heads, you would have known that.

Oh no! She has EMPATHY! Justices are supposed to be Impartial! Like Vulcans!

You think you can tell me how a justice can possibly rule on any kind of case without being able or allowed to even attempt to relate with all sides of the court? Of course you can't, because you simply repeated a right wing talking point as usual. If you used half of that pathetic excuse of a brain you have, you would know that impartiality does not come from mindlessly reading facts, but from being able to relate yourself to all sides.

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As for your claim that only the majority can be discriminated against, that's absolutely fucktarded.  Saying that 'people in the majority only see racism against themselves when they harbor racist ideas' is a cop out.  Oh, and Democrats are the majority in government right now, so why are they constantly complaining about racism? 

And AFFIRMATIVE ACTION DENIES JOBS TO QUALIFIED APPLICANTS IN FAVOR OF APPLICANTS OF COLOR, which is DISCRIMINATION no matter how you cut it.

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I grow weary of you repeating yourself like a broken record. It is clear you have no interest in debating, but rather being a parrot for whatever fringe lunatic you listen to. Did I fucking say "political majority?" I said MAJORITY. That means a MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION. A MAJORITY WHICH WAS IN TOTAL POWER FOR A VERY LONG TIME, THAT DID HORRIBLE THINGS TO MINORITIES. THINGS THAT EVEN TODAY MAKE IT MUCH HARDER TO GET A JOB, OR EVEN AN EDUCATION, WHICH IS WHY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EXISTS.

Now that the rich white christians no longer control every faceat of politics, they are lashing out through talk shows and television, empowering the nutbase. Or do you pretend that the 30 threats on Obama's life made every day are mearly the work of "concerned citizens?"

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And what helps lead to that cycle of poverty?  The fact that when people do get money, they leave the area, the fact that the people there don't care enough to make sure their kids stay in school, the fact that inner city culture puts very little emphasis on education if any, the fact that law enforcement doesn't want to step into the area because it's dangerous for them, and many, many more factors.  Oh, and the reason that inner city schools don't get 'adequate funding'?  NOBODY PAYS FUCKING TAXES in the inner city, or nearly nobody.  When you have a district that doesn't pay taxes, it's not going to get as much money for projects like school improvement as, say, an area where people actually work instead of living off the taxpayer's dollar.

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There was not a single part of your statement that had any basis in reality.

"And what helps lead to that cycle of poverty?  The fact that when people do get money, they leave the area,"

Your inability to connect two simple points is astounding. They leave the area because its a cycle of poverty, not the other way around.

"the fact that the people there don't care enough to make sure their kids stay in school, the fact that inner city culture puts very little emphasis on education if any,"

Wrong again, dumbass. Emphesis is on education more than anything in those schools. The "culture" you refer to is not a culture, but a symptom of the lack of funding for education AND law enforcement. Speaking of...

"the fact that law enforcement doesn't want to step into the area because it's dangerous for them, and many, many more factors."

It is curious that you don't list a single other factor. Perhaps because you are talking out of your ass? And why pray tell is it dangerous? Could it be that they are not adequately funded? 

"Oh, and the reason that inner city schools don't get 'adequate funding'?  NOBODY PAYS FUCKING TAXES in the inner city, or nearly nobody.  When you have a district that doesn't pay taxes, it's not going to get as much money for projects like school improvement as, say, an area where people actually work instead of living off the taxpayer's dollar."

I'm sure you believe it's because of their culture. "Lol the culture makes a cycle of poverty because no one pays taxes." THEY DON'T FUCKING PAY TAXES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE FUCKING MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE. 

THEY DON'T FUCKING HAVE MONEY BECAUSE THEY GET SHITTY FUNDING FROM THE STATE TO HELP THEM GET OUT OF A VICIOUS CYCLE.

THEY GET SHITTY FUNDING FROM THE STATE BECAUSE OF SELFISH, IGNORANT, RACIST ASSWIPES LIKE YOURSELF WHO WOULD RATHER LET MILLIONS OF PEOPLE STARVE BEFORE YOU PAY ONE MORE FUCKING CENT IN TAXES TO END IT ALL.

But you built yourself up from nothing, without any assistance from society whatsoever, and if anyone else doesn't, its their own fucking fault because they are lazy, right? If people there paid their taxes, and were good, decent, hardworking americans, they wouldn't be in their situation. It's all their own fault really. They can all fuck off along with their children. They are better off dead than getting assistance from the government to help them get on their own two feet and become productive members of society. You've got yours. Fuck everyone else.

You live in a bubble world and are proud of it. There is no convincing you. I only hope anyone else who has a brain that reads this will figure that out and see you for what you are: A political toolbox for extremists.

And if you contest any of that, then I dare you to go down to an inner city. Volunteer some of your time to charity. Just one day a month or two. Seriously take a look at the people living there. Then try saying everything you just said with a straigt face.

 

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

I just personally believe that the time for affirmative action programs has come and gone, and that Americans as a whole are pretty damn equal (at least as equal as our society will allow, with all of the bipartisanship and Us v Them mentality in every single goddamn issue. You're pro-choice? Oh, then you must also be pro-social programs and against the death penalty or blah blah blah).

I've never cared or even really listened to Rush or those guys, they seem too...well, wacko for me. Glenn Beck, while I agree on some of his policies, also carries some strong craziness of his own that puts me off slightly.

Not much else to reply to on your comment, meh. I will say that there are a fair number of kids at my college (U of M) that grew up in Detroit but still got into U of M without affirmative action (which was voted to be put into Michigan law as no longer legal). I have mad respect for those guys, growing up in such a shitty environment but still learning english and getting a good education. Woot for them.

Ugh, I need to step back and think about things for awhile. Sometimes I say things without thinking and then my mind just kinda feels the need to defend what I said, no matter how stupid it was.

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Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Ok -- really?

I keep hearing people supporting this stuff about Obama being racist -- as I'm not subject to the noise of American News, I've only heard the claims, not the actual acts.

WHAT is it that's causing these claims that he's racist? I need some context here.

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

I know that there are parts of his book that indicate underlying issues with white folk.  The other thing is his long-time pastor who literally was spewing hate-speech. 

At the end of the day, however, Obama is a relatively slick politician.  I think the right-wing attempts to smear him as an all-out racist may be a bit of a stretch.

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

I wouldn't put it past a politician (any one) to have some axes to grind, and I certianly wouldn't put it past even Obama to have some gripes about the social/economic situation in the US. But to extend that so far as to go to racisim seems to be a strech. I had a real idiot at my old job. He was asian. But I didn't think poorly because of where he was from, I thought poorly of him because he could barely do his job and was blatantly unqualified for what he did. At the same job there were employees of the same ethnic group that were supremely competent at the job and could do anything there even if they were comatose, and do it to perfection.

The second thing is that association group does not nessassarily mean a sharing of views. I went to a private catholic high school, and elementary, but I'm pretty much completely atheist. Some of my former classmates are deeply conservative. If a teacher from there said that the earth was made in 4000 years and did a full new earth creationist arguement, it could be argued that because I go to the same school that we share views. Except we don't.

Think of it as a social version of  correlation =/= causation.

 

Best keep your wits about you: The gears of life are always spinning, and ignorance eventually means you'll get caught in them.

Best keep your wits about you: The gears of life are always spinning, and ignorance eventually means you'll get caught in them.

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

dude..... what?

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Agreed. Lotta stench over nada. Im staying out of this one. If I boycott, I do it silently.

 
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