Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

October 8, 2009 -

Big brother may or may not be watching, but a new form of interactive entertainment will allow participants to leverage Britain’s 4.0 million plus closed circuit cameras in a bid to catch criminals and win money.

According to the Daily Mail, Internet Eyes is scheduled to launch next month and has already drawn the ire of civil rights groups, who worry the activity could lead to civil rights abuses.  One member of the opposition, Charles Farrior, labeled it “an appalling idea,” and worried it would create a “snooper’s paradise.”

Those watching cameras—in real-time—will be able to click a button every time they witness something they deem suspicious. Then, a message will be relayed to a camera operator, along with a still image from the camera. The operator will decide whether or not to take action and will notify the “player” if a crime has taken place or not.

Those participating will be blocked out after three incorrect alerts in a month, though additional alert opportunities can be purchased. As a further safeguard, actual locations of the cameras will not be known to those watching at home.

The article notes that Britain has 4.2 million CCTV cameras—one for every 14 inhabitants.


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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

I can't help but be dissapointed that the image at the top isn't the cover of the Hard-Fi album Stars of CCTV.

On a related note, this can be used to put the creep in all of us to some good use.

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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Hmm, its from the Daily Fail, but the website does exist, so it must be at least somewhat on the level. 

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

A lot of cameras are near schools and child-care centres, so paedophiles might use them to perv and/or plan abductions. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

@Kabyk: Selling guns to people is also very safe - there are a lot of safety regulations and controls and everybody must also carry a license to prove that he is allowed to own and carry a gun. And of course he must also keep the gun and ammunition at a safe place. And never shoot other people with it. Yep, that's how your kind of "thinking" works. And besides, I feel sooo much safer because cameras are watching me! If I get raped, mugged or killed it will most certainly help me a lot to know who did it - instead of having some police around to actually PREVENT it and HELP me. But then again, some people just don't see the fact that while the number of cameras is increasing the number of policemen is not. On the contrary! And there's also a statitistic which clearly shows, that cameras are NOT preventing crimes. Since most people desperate enough to commit crimes simply don't give a DAMN. And that the cameras and the data they collect could also abused by criminals (be it politicians or otherwise) must not be forgotten. Anyway. Enjoy your freedom while you still can! ZAR.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

As far as "you have the right to know you're being watched", if you go to the Internet Eyes websites, you see they have huge yellow caution signs, with camera logos inside saying CCTV IN OPERATION. You've just been told you're being watched.

And as far as where the cameras are, theres not as much grey area as you think. If you're inside your car parked on a street, it's public view. It's no different than me walking by and looking in the windows. Not to mention that street corners and parks already have cameras in them anyway (at least in cities like NYC, I cant confirm this for elsewhere, I'm just assuming).

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Time for you to learn a German word: Blockwart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockwart The fashists in the British government just take the next step towards their ideal of a totalitarian state. Let the population do it's own surveillance. Oh, it's just a "game" - Game Over democracy! Winston Churchill would leave this country in disgust. ZAR.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

According to the Daily Mail,

That would be the key sentance right there, I wouldn't take anything that follows as fact but a variation of the truth at best. I'm surprised they didn't say it's for the purporse of catching blacks and homos.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Derp de der!

So, are there any actual possible negitive ramifications of this?

I love how the story here is that it "could draw the ire" of civil rights groups. I don't even know what ethical journalism is, anymore. Does anyone know a blog where I can read about the political ramifications of video games, though?

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

From what I understand, the only cameras to be accessed has previously given permission by the camera owner. If you don't like being watched on the internet, then don't go onto private property. It's not like the camera is inside your house. If the owner of the camera doesn't like it, then he can request not to have the service.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

However, you should have the right to know if you are being watched by a camera. Other than that, I don't really see a *huge* problem with it.

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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Look!  That preacher is touching that child!  How many points do I get for reporting this?!

Hey, look!  That politician is with someone who isn't their spouse!  DOUBLE POINTS!  Woo hoo!

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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Hey lets bring shame back into soscity...well...at least for the upper half. ^_~


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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Frist off you don't have privacy in public spaces...thats why they are public and second off getting the lazzy masses to bother to help ident criminal's is not such a bad thing.


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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

The "public spaces" thing is a litte iffy and full of grey areas, Zip. What about inside the confines of your own car? And the "lazy masses helping to identify criminal activity" is even more iffy. What makes the lazy masses particularly qualified to identify criminal activity and unlikely to confuse legal activity with criminal activity? Next thing you know, some Harvard professor's getting carted off to jail for breaking and entering his own home. 

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Actually, he was arrested for disorderly conduct.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

It's kind of sad when a Harvard professor acts like the drunk guy on a bad episode of Cops. "Ya, I'll speak with your mama outside."

Stay classy, professor.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

A misdemeanor arrest for which no charges were ever filed. That's what's known in law enforcement as a "humble." Also known as "a bullshit arrest which we know you'll never be prosecuted for but which will perhaps teach you to think twice the next time you're inclined to get uppity with the police."

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

I knew something was a bit off when he was charged with making a public disturbance inside his private residence.

 

"That's not ironic. That's justice."

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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

He was making a public disturbance outside of the private residence, which, if I recall, Harvard owns, not him.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Yup, if they'd followed the link, they would have seen that. ;)

Not to mention the fact that, during his hysterics, the police warned him that he was close to being arrested for disorderly conduct - twice - and he continued anyway.

Nobody should be trying to blame the police over this. It all would have been avoided if he'd just showed them his identification when they asked, and politely said his goodbyes.

Read the report. He complained about the handcuffs, so the police put his handcuffs in front, got him his cane, and waited for somebody he trusted to secure his house to arrive.

The police gave him every warning, every accomodation, and every chance to cooperate. He didn't.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

I don't know which neighbourhood you're from, but in my neighbourhood, what an arresting officer writes in their arrest report doesn't by virtue of their merely writing it make it a "fact." Indeed, it's just as likely to make it "bullshit." But, again, that's just my neighbourhood. It could well work differently in yours.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Yes, I'm certain he lied about what happened, despite the fact that there were at least a dozen witnesses, including civilians, campus security, and other police officers.

I just pointed out that he was arrested for disorderly conduct, not 'breaking and entering into his own home'. (And later, that they had good reason for the arrest).

You're using the same argument that 9/11 'truthers' and the 'Moon Landing was Faked' groups use: "Just because THEY say it happened that way, doesn't make it true."  I know you're intelligent enough to recognize this, and that it's a reflection of the strength of your own argument.

Are all authority figures automatically trustworthy? No, of course not. But singling out and smearing one without cause to further an agenda is beyond reprehensible.

It's very sad how many modern myths yellow journalism have created in this country.  From the Chicago fire (i.e., the O'Leary cow), to anthropogenic global warming, to the Columbine shooting details, and everything in between.

This mess is just the latest in a very long list. Perhaps I have a leg up on these kinds of stories; I tend to mentally 'red flag' anything decrying racism.  Certainly, true racism exists, but it often gets buried under stories of political correctness masquerading as racism. I prefer to know when the issue is truly racism, and when it's not, so I do what little digging I can manage from home (almost always thanks to the hard work of other people like the folks at TSG).

In this instance, the police did nothing wrong. Gates was acting like an out-of-control ass, and got arrested for it. He should just be grateful that the charges were dropped (and perhaps that he wasn't tasered).

Perhaps, instead of inferring from the dropped charges that 'there was nothing to them', you should infer that somebody used political pressure to have the charges dropped. Given the incident report, it seems by far the more likely scenario - and if that's the case, where is the outrage over the preferential treatment? If this guy had been a factory worker living in an apartment in Cambridge, do you really believe the police would have dropped the charges?

I won't hold my breath waiting here for you to agree that everyone should be treated equally under the law.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Are all authority figures automatically trustworthy? No, of course not. But singling out and smearing one without cause to further an agenda is beyond reprehensible.

You can call it that if you want, but it strikes me that you've done the exact polar opposite, which is to single out one and paint them as being incapable of slanting a story to suit their own purposes. As if arrest reports aren't designed and intended to bolster the police's version of events. And that there's corroboration from others doesn't necessarily change the possibility of an inaccurate arrest report. Dozens of LAPD officers were willing to and indeed testified, videotape evidence to the contrary, that Rodney King wouldn't stay down when instructed by them to do so and hence the need to continue mercilessly whupping his ass. So what if they've lined up around the block to tell the same bullshit story? That don't make it any less bullshit.

If you're really relying on an arrest report as evidence of "good reason" for the underlying arrest, then I would call you, charitably, naive. Here's some news for you: there aren't ever any arrest reports which don't describe "good reason" for the arrest, notwithstanding the fact that not all arrests are with good reason. Arrest reports, as a general rule, aren't even admissable in court. They're considered "hearsay" evidence. 

In this instance, the police did nothing wrong. Gates was acting like an out-of-control ass, and got arrested for it.

I not sure precisely what kind of "digging and flagging" you've been doing, but unless you were able to dig and flag your way to being an eyewitness to the actual events, I'm not seeing the basis upon which you state this conclusion with such absolute conviction.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

http://wbztv.com/local/obama.comment.cambridge.2.1097782.html

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20090722cop_who_arrested_...

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1186708

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/27/gates.arrest/

Anything else I can help you with? Or are you just determined to believe that every police officer in the country is an abusive, racist redneck just waiting for an excuse to brutalize somebody?

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that James Crowley is not any of these things. If you have evidence supporting Gates' claims, I am more than willing to hear them.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

What does any of all the above do to substantiate your version of events?  The absence of evidence of the negative doesn't prove the positive, so I'm not sure where you're going with that "in the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume . . . ." You may feel compelled to assume something is true because there's no evidence proving that it's false. But my brain don't work like that. 

And please don't misquote me or try to put words in my mouth. I ain't say nothing about a "belie[f] that every police officer in the country is an abusive, racist redneck just waiting for an excuse to brutalize somebody." 

And I never took the position that Gate's version of events is necessarily true. Unlike you and Crowley's version of events. There is, in my experience, two sides to every coin. 

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Crowley's 'version' of events is backed by the civilians, campus security, and police officers who witnessed it.

entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

Is it simpler to believe Gates acted like an ass, or that campus security, the responding officers, and his neighbors are involved in a conspiracy against him?

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Campus security and the other local police officers corroborate Crowley's version. Who'd have ever thought it possible that law enforcement closes ranks around each other and back each other up. Even when they're dead-ass in the wrong. I've never heard of that one before.

Do you live in America? Or one of them cool Scandinavian countries? Like Sweden?

If you really believe that because a police officer writes "X" in an arrest report and has a half dozen other police officers behind him saying, "Yep, that's the way it happened," that therefore "X" is in fact the way it happened, then I'm forced to wonder if you don't also leave out milk and cookies for Santa Claus. Here's some bad news for you: your belief in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy is equally misplaced. 

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Okay, that makes more sense.

 

"That's not ironic. That's justice."

"That's not ironic. That's justice."

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

And so much more of a difference.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

I knew something was off when someone created such a disturbance that they got arrested, but I guess I just don't share your unreasonable biases, though hearing your opinion does help me understand what the idiotic talking heads are yammering on about.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

You did notice that all "reports" by the public are reviewed by someone who actually knows what they're doing, right?

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Yes. I did notice that. But the point still remains that but for giving the public a previously unhad means to report what they "think" is a crime, it is likely that the report may not have been made in the first place. And that's before we even get to a consideration of the likelihood of an unnecessary burden being placed on the resource responsible for determining what is indeed a crime as opposed to a false report and the likelihood that responses to actual crimes may suffer as they waste time shifting through more false reports. 

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

I wouldn't consider this a breach of privacy as long as the cameras are all located in public areas. If the police are allowed to watch us, why shouldn't the general public be able too?

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

This is kinda what I'm thinking. While I'm not sure how good an idea this will turn out to be, if it proves effective, I wouldn't really be so worried.

If you're gonna do something indecent/risky/illegal in public, you already know you're taking a risk. It shouldn't make a difference if it's a camera or someone's eyes in person. (I'd think someone seeing you in-person would be worse, no?

And ultimately, someone could be people-watching from a rooftop in a city, or someone could just be looking out their window at the day go by. Does it ruin everyone's lives knowing that *someone* could be looking at them without their knowledge?

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Seriously guys, is April Fools day today?

"though additional alert opportunities can be purchased"

Really? WOW!

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Big Brother the video game is HERE!!! Go rat out your friends and enemies in secret to get great prizes!!! Thats atlease what im getting frim thius article.

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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Why does this remind me of the Running Man. The movie, not so much the literature.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Why I´m thinking that the next step is we will be sending death sentenced and pedophiles to combat in a gladiator type-arena?

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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Why I´m thinking that the next step is we will be sending death sentenced and pedophiles to combat in a gladiator type-arena?

Yeah, and we can make it into a video game like stuff.  Just have the convict be controlled by gamers in real-life, real time control.  Just think of this like the movie, Gamer.  A lot of our pedophiles and bad criminals will have to do what Gerard Butler did in the movie. 

 


Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

hmm pedophiles being eaten by lions ... I dont hate that idea heh

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

I think it's immoral and disgusting. Far too much power to give a government. The cameras alone is bad enough, but to make a game out of it? Disgusting.

I still want to play it though, as it isn't where I live.

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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Government having too much power? 

Reading the article it is sounds more like a company (Internet Eyes) is renting CCTV cameras to other companies and then web-sourcing the monitoring of the CCTV cameras. The Government has little to do with it. The most is that the company might be able to sell its services to local government.

Last month it was revealed that Britain has 4.2 million CCTV cameras - the equivalent of one per 14 people

 

one-and-a-half-times as many as Communist

I wonder how many small corner shops and the like in China can afford to have a CCTV camera.

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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

That 4.2 million CCTVs estimate does appear to be the result of some very questionable sampling. It's far from certain to be accurate. And, yes, even assuming an accurate count, most of those aren't own and operated by the British government.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Ain't giving it to the government, power goes to the public.

Somehow I actually find that more terrifying...

 

 

 

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Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Well, thinking about it, there's two reasons why it's scarier in the hands of the public:

1) The government has regulations.  People don't.  For the goverment employee, this is a job.  For the random citizen, it's a game.

2) The number of people using said cameras will go up dramatically.  With 4 million cameras, I'm willing to bet that in the current situation, things are recorded, but rarely monitored.  It doesn't really matter what you do in front of a camera, because no one's going to see it unless they have reason to think that camera might have recorded someone doing something illegal.

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Invasion of privacy?  Don't be rediculous.  We can't invade soemthing you don't have!

Re: Internet “Game” to Use CCTV to Catch Criminals

Oh yeah, this is a stupendously wonderful idea!

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