Christian Games Hit Texas Wal-Marts

Left Behind Games Inc., a publisher of Christian-themed videogames, has secured a pilot release of its titles in 100 Wal-Mart stores in the Houston and Dallas areas.

Three games will be sold as part of a test to determine the viability of selling the titles in additional Wal-Mart locations. Left Behind Games, also known as Inspired Media Entertainment, believes that Texas is ripe for its offerings, noting that there are over 23,000 churches in Texas, with over 5.0 million Evangelical Protestants and more than 1.7 million Mainline Protestants.

CEO Troy Lyndon has high hopes for the Christian game market:

The US market for Christian video games could reach $648 Million within the next five years based upon just 3% of video game sales being in the Christian segment.

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108 comments

  1. Nitherean says:

    Most of you are approaching this from the completely wrong direction.  The direction some of you are doing, is the ‘I hate Christians’ whether that hatred is justified or not.  Some are on the impression, that Christians are all thieves, cowards, and murders (well, some of them are…).

    We are gamers.  Lets let this company create its game(s), and sell.  Then, we’ll see for ourselves, if the game play is good (or slowed down while we have to read/memorized text verses).  We’ll see if the graphics, music, sound, and story/plot (if there is one).  Since, gamers come in many shapes, sizes, colors, weights, heights, and even backgrounds….this company could create a market that some gamers will like, and others wont.  Its like HALO.  You either like the game, or hate it with a passion.

    However, Christian themed games should bear in mind, that other religions could do this as well.  So, while it could encourge some to the religion, others could find Islam a better belief for them.

    Finally, just go watch the Angry Video Nerd on You Tube, for his ‘say’ on Bible games.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkNvQYiM6bw

  2. Magic says:

    It was Requiem: Avenging Angel. I bought it second hand years ago but couldn’t get it to work on an XP machine.

    It’s about as much a Christian game as Diablo 2 is. Note there’s a difference between Christian game and Christian-themed (Albeit Diablo 2 is practically Christian mythology, twisted around a bit).

  3. Nekowolf says:

    *ahem*

    "Her philosophy and implementation have faced some criticism. David Scott wrote that Mother Teresa limited herself to keeping people alive rather than tackling poverty itself.[33] She has also been criticized for her view on suffering: according to an article in the Alberta Report, she felt that suffering would bring people closer to Jesus.[34] The quality of care offered to terminally ill patients in the Homes for the Dying has been criticised in the medical press, notably The Lancet and the British Medical Journal, which reported the reuse of hypodermic needles, poor living conditions, including the use of cold baths for all patients, and an approach to illness and suffering that precluded the use of many elements of modern medical care, such as systematic diagnosis.[35] Dr. Robin Fox, editor of The Lancet, described the medical care as "haphazard", as volunteers without medical knowledge had to take decisions about patient care, because of the lack of doctors. He observed that her order did not distinguish between curable and incurable patients, so that people who could otherwise survive would be at risk of dying from infections and lack of treatment.[36]" – Wikipedia

    *33: Scott, David A Revolution of Love: The Meaning of Mother Teresa Chicago, Loyola Press, 2005. ISBN 0829420312 p.7ff "She deals only with the disease (of poverty), but not with preventing it, but people in the West continue to give her money"

    *34: Byfield, Ted (October 20, 1997), "If the real world knew the real Mother Teresa there would be a lot less adulation", Alberta Report/Newsmagazine 24 (45)

    *35: Loudon, Mary. (1996)The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice, Book Review, BMJ vol.312, no.7022, 6 January 2006, pp.64-5. Retrieved August 2, 2007

    *36: Fox, Robin (1994), "Mother Theresa’s care for the dying", The Lancet 344 (8925): 807

  4. Father Time says:

    Pandralisk

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    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  5. sqlrob says:

    Story about the conditions of the people she helped: http://www.newstatesman.com/200508220019

    From Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa#Declining_health_and_death

    [quote]In April 1996, Mother Teresa fell and broke her collar bone. In August she suffered from malaria and failure of the left heart ventricle. She had heart surgery, but it was clear that her health was declining. Another controversy surrounding her is that when she fell ill, instead of being treated at one of her clinics, she opted to be treated at a well-equipped hospital in California.[50] On March 13, 1997, she stepped down from the head of Missionaries of Charity and died on September 5, 1997. The Archbishop of Calcutta, Henry Sebastian D’Souza, said he ordered a priest to perform an exorcism on Mother Teresa with her permission when she was first hospitalized with cardiac problems because he thought she may be under attack by the devil.[51]

     

  6. Bigman-K says:

    Wow, that’s horrible. I never knew mother Teresa did that. I always thought very highly of her. Where did you read/hear that?  

     "No law means no law" – Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

  7. sqlrob says:

    There was one a while ago where you played an angel and had angelic powers (could fly, turn enemies into a pillar of salt, etc).

    It played fast and loose and could probably be considered a Christian game the way the upcoming Dante’s Inferno could be considered a Christian game.

  8. sqlrob says:

    The Mother Teresa that said suffering was good, denied pain medication to those suffering, yet used them herself, that Mother Teresa?

     

  9. Nessmk2 says:

    Wasn’t there going to be a revelations-themed shooter where you shot the hell (ha ha) out of Demons during the tribulation? That looked and sounded pretty cool… Probably got canceled, though. Seems like all non-rip-off Christian games get canned. Sad.

  10. Nessmk2 says:

    Christains are like gamers. They have different tastes, likes, dislikes and preferences. Painting all Christains with the same brush is just as bad as what Jack Thompson did and paint all gamers as brain-dead, rage-filled, gun-toting bombs ready to go off if we played one too many ‘murder simulators’.

    You have your views on Christianity, everyone else has theirs. The big problem with the public image of christianity is that the ones that have moderate views don’t get to go on the news or make radical websites, becuase "Hey, we’re okay with prayer being a private thing rather than a public institution" and "We don’t exactly agree with homosexual relations, but we’re not going to go bashing down doors about it" doesn’t make for good stories. It’s the yelling, screaming, frothing at the mouth ‘leaders’ that get screen time because it makes people angry enough to watch it and debate over it. For every guy that you see spew all that hateful nonsense, there are a few thousand Christains who think the guy’s full of it.

     

    In short, hate the guy making a fool of himself by being a zelot and trying to do stupid things to our lives and government in the name of religion rather than the religion itself. Love the sinner, hate the sin, ETC. Jesus said "Love thy neighbor as yourself" and that "everyone is your neighbor." not "Hate on all those that diagree with you." The people that’re doing what you say is so horrible… aren’t christians, plain and simple, or else they wouldn’t be doing those things.

  11. Nessmk2 says:

    Not entirely true. You CAN do that. You’re punished for it, though. You lose points whenever you kill someone. It’s an option, just like you have the option to do all sorts of things in GTA or Fable. The game doesn’t force you to kill non-christians, and actually goes through pains to try to get you not to, but it doesn’t take away the option. You’ll just lose every game you play because your score will hit the negatives uber-fast if you go on a killing spree.

     

     

    Please note that I HATED the Left Behind game, but I don’t want there to be any misinformation about it. It sucked enough on its own.

  12. kurbster says:

    I’m invisioning a GTA-like game where Jesus shoots magic from his bible.  Set in modern Isreal, Jesus must convert the jews before Iran nukes them so they can go to heaven when they are incinerated.

    I’d buy that just for the lulz

  13. Baruch_S says:

    Exactly. They’re going to have to make good, non-ripoff games before they can really test the validity of their market.

  14. Baruch_S says:

    We’ve got a few uninformed ranters in the thread already. They’re a pretty good time if you want to delve into some alternate realities.

  15. Baruch_S says:

    "Christian institution" huh? If there’s one huge, overarching Christians organization that determines exactly what every Christian believes, I’d love to know what it is.

    FYI, Christians aren’t all the same, and they don’t all believe the exact same things. In the real world, many of them are tolerant or even accepting of homosexuality, but these people don’t seem to exist in your world.

  16. Baruch_S says:

    Yeah, that is enough. You’re only making yourself look worse with every post; you should consider stopping before you look like a completely intolerant bigot.

  17. Baruch_S says:

    they all believe the same fundamental thing: no, they don’t. In a small midwestern town of 10,000 people I can find at least four (probably 6-8) denominations that believe distinctly different things as well as numerous Christians who actually vote for Democrats and not Republicans. They do not all believe the same thing.

    God hates sinners: no. Try picking up a Bible and knowing your theology before you try to debate. Heck, just go to the old Christian mainstay John 3:16.

    Broad strokes…: yeah, that’s what they are. Not all Christians are a homogeneous bunch. Your assumption that they all believe the same things and do the same things is silly and uninformed.

    Boy-touching priests: I’m not Catholic, so I wouldn’t know, but I have the feeling you’re hyperbolizing more than a little there…

  18. GavinBrindstaar says:

     @ Gaming Observer: Why don’t you go to the nearest church and say these things? Go tell everyone who goes there that they are evil, they hate gays, and they support slavery. Go to Mother Teresa’s grave and spit on it, because that seems to be how you view Christianity.

     

    Edit: you can’t because the only place you’re brave enough to say this bullshit is on the internet, where nobody knows who you are.

  19. Baruch_S says:

    Everything I said is 100% uninformed opinon.  Sorry that you have a hard time accepting my twisted version of reality.

    Fixed that for you.

  20. Magic says:

    Gaming Observer:
    There’s a response for everything you’ve countered with, but I’m not really up for debating religion in this thread, as much as I’d prefer to state my opinion and leave it at that.

    Fair enough.

    If you like to debate religion, I highly suggest you visit…

    http://www.godgab.org

    Great site.

    Will do, though I don’t have time right now. On my lunch break. 🙂

     

    In general, I’ll say this…

    RE: they all believe the same fundamental things… can’t say I agree with you there.  Yes, there are hundreds of Christian denominations, each with varying beliefs, but they all hold their NIV bibles, and within those pages the root of the evil is clear.  Whether you’re talking about the Duggars (sp?) or Fred Phelps of Ted Haggard or Benny Hinn, it’s all the same shit at the core.

    Tell me, why do you think there are varying beliefs in the first place? It’s all down to their interpretation. However, I believe I agree with you here, that there shouldn’t really be room for interpretation when dealing with the so-called divine word of God – yet there is. While you get hate-spewing wretches like Phelps, there are plenty of Christian organisations and charities that do good in the world.

    Incidentally, I’m also uneducated on the different versions of the Bible – there seems to be the NIV and King James versions, while it could continue going back to Latin, which the Catholic church didn’t want translated during medieval times, either so they could dictate scripture or because they didn’t want stuff to get lost in translation – but I digress.


    within those pages the root of the evil is clear… … it’s all the same shit at the core.
    Do you really believe absolutely _nothing_ good has ever come from religion? Even the simplest of Jesus’ teachings about turning the other cheek and to treat your neighbour as you would expect to be treated (Not that he’s been the only historical figure to do it, he’s just noted in Western culture as saying it) are wise. I don’t believe in any supernatural nonsense in religions, but any teaching that strives for peace in the world can’t be a bad thing.

    As you may have guessed, I’m not religious by any means and the strife (To put it lightly) caused by Christianity and other religions absolutely disgusts me to no end, yet I believe it’s naive to lump the entirety of the religion as evil.

    RE: gays, hate the sin, love the sinner… No.  That’s a social movement that some evangelical offshoots have been clinging to for the past decade or so, but it’s not biblical.  Its a concession that they’ve made to make themselves seem like less of a prick, but it’s sad that even people who don’t buy that shit can see that they’re confused about their own doctrine.  Got hates sinners.  Plain and simple.  At least, if you believe in that sort of thing.

    Concession? Possibly, but I believe it’s based off scripture somewhere – something about God loving everyone, unconditionally, despite what they do (though of course we then come to hell and people appear to argue whether at that point he loves or hates them).

    So let’s say you hate a habit of someone – do you hate the whole person or do you just hate the habit and them doing it?

    (I wouldn’t kick a girl out of bed for farting 🙂

    RE: broad strokes… please.  Don’t insult my intelligence.

    See above. You must have met a Christian in your life who wasn’t evil, surely that’s proof enough?

    RE: boy touching priests… didn’t say they all did.  But it’s undeniable fact that the Catholic church knew, hid it, used paritioner money to fund the legal battles, and that the entire strategy came from the Vatican and the Pope himself.  Fucking evil.  In the case of Catholocism though, you can’t separate the Pope from individual Catholics, because he’s an intrinsic part of their belief system.  Catholocism isn’t like evangelical Christianity – it doesn’t have "independents".  It’s centralized and institutionalized, and they’re all connected.  So yes, every one of those non-thinking shit heads that’s still a part of that faith after their "bridge to god" is clearly guilty of such inhuman filth… well they can all go to hell, for all I care.  Which is an ironically empty condemnation, since it doesn’t even exist.

    This is clearly sickening, I’ll not argue. I’d like to find out more about Catholics (Or people of other denominations with sicko’s in their midst) who read such and happily continue to support their church, maybe they assume it’s only a few bad apples – but if it’s like you say then they’re willfully or inadvertently ignorant (And it could then be argued that logic and reason aren’t their forte if they’re deeply "faithful" anyway).

    In my opinion, I still hold you’re not going to convince many religious people to reconsider their faith when you call bullshit on all of it. They’ll simply withdraw further and further into their bubble of ‘faith’. It’s your call.

    GrimCW – I’m not sure I understand you. My basic understanding is that some people believe God’s will is whatever happens (Which makes no sense to me – tell it to the soldiers that died in religious conflicts, where God allowed everyone to fight it out instead of intervening), others seemed to go with the self-fulfiling prophecy that they are _carrying out_ God’s will.

    The Catholic church had the whole infallibility of the Pope, meaning that he had a direct ‘line’ to God and so could dictate scripture and the alike, so he could not make errors. Lo and behold, the church doesn’t adhere to this anymore. It seems that they’ve broken and bent so many rules, yet still people follow them.

  21. Nekowolf says:

    Your "intelligence" has been shot from your own ignorance. People like yourself are just as bad as those you accuse. How about all the evil that was done for love? Money, power, land, government? You cannot possibly defend Christianity was the start of all this, as it has been going on since ancient Sumeria. And yet, great evils have been done for those as well.

    And as further evidence of your lacking, Roman Catholicism is merely a branch of the whole of Christianity. You cannot blame the whole of something because of the workings of others under the same broad term. And it is at this you fail, and miserably.

    Roman Catholicism, Evangelical, Pentecostal, they are not the same as nondemoninal, Episcopal, Quaker, etc. But this is what you fail, nay, perhaps even actively reject, to understand. Furthermore, you are lost in your own arrogance.

    Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass. I’ve met Christians who are much more humble than you apparently are. You can continue on how "evil" it is, but you will only be proving my point, all while falling on the ears of those who see past your own irrationality.

  22. Arell says:

    In order to test the validity of the "Christian gaming" market, don’t the games first have to be good?  From what little I remember, I thought the Left Behind game was critically panned.

  23. Kajex says:

    Can’t say this story really gives me hope nor does it invoke interest. I don’t care much for a religion that constantly breaks its made up rules in worshipping graven images (because worshipping a half-naked dead man on a 2×4 wasn’t bad enough without forgetting that it falls neatly under that commandment).

    And I agree with other words- the concentration of commercialism in the religion is sickening, and Peter Popoff is it’s biggest parasite.

  24. GrimCW says:

    "I’m surprised people still follow it after its reign in the dark ages"

    yeah but isn’t the official stance on that, that the church and god had no baring on the dark ages? and it was a godless era in human history to "prove" god is good? despite almost everything done was falsely in the name of god or under the order of this church or that? (or so the accusations go)

    i’ve always wondered about that TBH. since most anything done was officialy at the time done because it was gods will, but later dismissed as the will of man, and god had no baring on that age at all.

  25. Gaming Observer says:

    Regardless of the smell, color, shape, consistency, sound, or density of christian bullshit, it all comes from the same unwashed biblical asshole.  ’nuff said.

  26. gonzlamm says:

    where is that guy that got banned like a year ago?

    he would blame christianity on EVERYTHING. pretty much every social rule we have in the states derived from christian values, and thats why we fail. i miss those rants :<.

  27. Gaming Observer says:

    There’s a response for everything you’ve countered with, but I’m not really up for debating religion in this thread, as much as I’d prefer to state my opinion and leave it at that.

    If you like to debate religion, I highly suggest you visit…

    http://www.godgab.org

    Great site.

    In general, I’ll say this…

    RE: they all believe the same fundamental things… can’t say I agree with you there.  Yes, there are hundreds of Christian denominations, each with varying beliefs, but they all hold their NIV bibles, and within those pages the root of the evil is clear.  Whether you’re talking about the Duggars (sp?) or Fred Phelps of Ted Haggard or Benny Hinn, it’s all the same shit at the core.

    RE: gays, hate the sin, love the sinner… No.  That’s a social movement that some evangelical offshoots have been clinging to for the past decade or so, but it’s not biblical.  Its a concession that they’ve made to make themselves seem like less of a prick, but it’s sad that even people who don’t buy that shit can see that they’re confused about their own doctrine.  Got hates sinners.  Plain and simple.  At least, if you believe in that sort of thing.

    RE: broad strokes… please.  Don’t insult my intelligence.

    RE: boy touching priests… didn’t say they all did.  But it’s undeniable fact that the Catholic church knew, hid it, used paritioner money to fund the legal battles, and that the entire strategy came from the Vatican and the Pope himself.  Fucking evil.  In the case of Catholocism though, you can’t separate the Pope from individual Catholics, because he’s an intrinsic part of their belief system.  Catholocism isn’t like evangelical Christianity – it doesn’t have "independents".  It’s centralized and institutionalized, and they’re all connected.  So yes, every one of those non-thinking shit heads that’s still a part of that faith after their "bridge to god" is clearly guilty of such inhuman filth… well they can all go to hell, for all I care.  Which is an ironically empty condemnation, since it doesn’t even exist.

    Peace out.

  28. GrimCW says:

    said it before and i’ll say again.

    though not to defend baruch there.

    that pretty much cleans up the more vocal christian masses view on it (or more correctly as someone points out, the leaders views), there is still that minority within that isn’t so loud in the ear who fight to cleanse that bullox from the churchs label. even homosexual christians (don’t they have a group now?)

    but then again, IMHO, its like when black christians first started upping their beliefs and moving onward. White christians oft tried to still oppress them, and even to this day still try to use the bible as an excuse for their bullshit white supremecy runs (though greatly decreased supposedly on the official end, neo nazi’s are more widespread IMO as well as a little more vocal, though less violent…)

    oh BTW you missed one.

     

    As in… homosexuality is pressed upon our children by cross dressing cartoon characters like bugs bunny and other looney toons. so we must block and censor our lives to prevent this cross dressing comedy from being witnessed in any media form.

     

    apparently Bugs is gay now because he cross dressed and comicly kisses elmer fudd and company.

  29. Magic says:

    Gaming Observer:

    I have a few comments on your post.

    Christianity is a disease.
    It depends how you look at religion in general. I generally agree with Dawkin’s that it’s a delusion of some sort (At least when belief and faith are put in place of reason, or even contrary to reason), but I think there’s a reason it has existed in human culture for thousands of years. It’s too easy to ‘just’ trivalise it as a sickness and leave it at that. Why does it exist? Is it an innate part of sentience? Do people need it as a mental crutch for their subconscience?

    Either way, you’re not going to convince religious people by attacking and villifying it.

    No matter how you slice it, or what kind of distinction you try to make between its paritioners (those who are obnoxious and hateful, those who are timid and kind), they all believe the same fundamental things.
    Not necessarily, as it seems that the longer religions last then the more diverse the denominations become as they grow. Some Christians loosely follow the basic teachings of Jesus and the Bible (and don’t take any of it literally), others go all out. I think there’s a bible quote about how to be a basic Christian, which is to follow Jesus with all of your love, etc. That’s all it takes, everything else involved depends on ones point of view.

    Gays are bad,
    That is indeed the gist of the Bible (Leviticus generally), but I often read that the more noble stance is "Hate the sin, love the sinner". I don’t believe the Catholic church or many major Christian branches are persecuting homosexuals, even if they dislike their sexual attitude or other aspects of their life.

    the earth is 6000 years old, sin exists, men are superior to women, sex is dirty, follow us or go to hell, giving 10% of your $$$ to god is a moral duty, etc. etc. etc..
    Stop painting them all with the same brush. These totally depend on which Christians you speak to, they’re generally seen as the cliche fundamentalist’s stance (Bible bashing fire and brimstone speechs and all), which involves taking the bible literally. The Catholic church supports scientific enquiry over the universe (As well as evolution), they justify that God has caused all of it to happen, even if they’re conservative in other areas.

    These days I’m still surprised that anyone is Catholic at all.  I mean, so many people molested, sexually abused, the priests protected and even rotated BACK INTO OTHER CHURCHES, all done with the money given through tithes, under the authority and express wishes of THE POPE, and people still buy that bullshit?
    I’m surprised people still follow it after its reign in the dark ages, when it effectively controlled the lives of everyone in Europe from the cradle to the grave, but that’s a huge issue, one I don’t have time to go into. While I’m aghast whenever I read of the church allegedly covering up abuses, you can’t possibly say that every priest has molested.

    The church has over one billion people members and they’re not all bone-idle hicks, they’re people from all walks of life, of differing intellects. I honestly recommend you read up on some of them. Broaden your perspective of them.

  30. Gaming Observer says:

    "…you’re going to ruin the baseless negative stereotypes people are using to excuse their uninformed bigotry!"

    As in… gay people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because it’s a slippery slope and next thing you know men will be fucking and marrying monkeys?

    As in… homosexuality is being taught in our schools by teachers that are sympathetic to the queer agenda?

    As in… homosexuality is a mental sickness, a moral misstep, and end to humanity because gays can’t reproduce!!

    As in… homosexuality is a sexual driven lifestyle and all gay men want to molest young boys?

    Yes, you’re right, we wouldn’t want to create an atmosphere of hate and bigotry based on senseless and completely inacurate stereotypes, or worse, foster violence against people we don’t agree with.

    Which is precisely why we wouldn’t want to be Christian and do any of the sickly stupid things mentioned above, which Christianity as an institution is flatly guilty of.

    You fail.

  31. Baruch_S says:

    Stop being intelligent and normal, you’re going to ruin the baseless negative stereotypes people are using to excuse their uninformed bigotry!

  32. Baruch_S says:

    You know, you should try not starting with a ridiculously biased stereotype next time. Then you might actually have something constructive and intelligent to say–provided you did some research and used some facts instead of your own (mis)perceptions of reality.

  33. ded2me says:

    Same thing happens in the christian music world as well. All these metal bands screaming their preachings in a way that identifies with "Satanic" lyrics.  Some of them are pretty good.  But I mean… Screaming "REPENT! ARRRGGHHH!!!! YEAAAHH GOD LOVES YOU!!!!"  Doesnt really do it for me.  Luckily I cant understand them anyway, so it’s all good!  It’s just another way to cash in on the market.

  34. whiston532 says:

    Im christian but im not gonna buy a game just because its christian, if its got good gameplay, and is generally fun ill get it.

    LOL at all the people saying things like Christians are all prejudice and do nothing but hate people for their beliefs… Lets hate them all !!! Christ people, were not going away any time soon, just learn to live with us.

    FTR i dont hate gays, i awknowledge the universes existence for countless years, i look at sins as guidlines to living a good life, the money i do donate is sent to people in Africa, not into anyones pockets, i belive men are equal to women in rights, we may be different in things like intelligence and emotional capability, but we all deserve the same rights. And i belive that as long as you are a good person your safe after death. Like pretty much every christian i know.

  35. thefremen says:

    Well I’d say it all started with the Roman Empire in the waning years saying "hey maybe if we adopted Christianity and became the Holy Roman Empire we can squeeze out a few more years from this gig?" and then the Catholic Church used Christianity as a way to gain a cheap+easy power base and so on and so forth. 

  36. Gaming Observer says:

    Christianity is a disease.

    No matter how you slice it, or what kind of distinction you try to make between its paritioners (those who are obnoxious and hateful, those who are timid and kind), they all believe the same fundamental things.

    Gays are bad, the earth is 6000 years old, sin exists, men are superior to women, sex is dirty, follow us or go to hell, giving 10% of your $$$ to god is a moral duty, etc. etc. etc.

    Oh yes, I know, but you say that some of these people are genuine, warm, loving, blah blah blah, and Christianity is responsible for so much good, blah blah blah…

    If you list the number of things done in the name of god that are absolutely pure evil, and contrast them with the occasional good deed done for Jesus sake, anybody with a shroud of common sense is going to see that it clearly isn’t balanced and isn’t worth it.  Like a car that gets you to the grocery store so you can buy a can of soup for a few homeless people, but forces you to run over and kill 15 other people on the way.  NOT… REDEEMING… IN ANY… WAY…

    These days I’m still surprised that anyone is Catholic at all.  I mean, so many people molested, sexually abused, the priests protected and even rotated BACK INTO OTHER CHURCHES, all done with the money given through tithes, under the authority and express wishes of THE POPE, and people still buy that bullshit?

    That’s not a rogue priest, that’s corruption from the top, and yet still…

    No, I think Christianity in all its forms is better thought of as the only socially accepted form of mental retardation…

     

  37. MrKlorox says:

    This is absolutely true. But the problem is that they’re releasing in the two biggest metropolises in the state; where there is cultural variety and a chance to have an open mind. They’re bound to sell more per-capita in the smaller towns.

  38. GrimCW says:

    would you prefer otherwise?

    i have my beliefs, but TBH i don’t think modern relgious society really meets them to well seeing as i like to keep an open ended system going. i don’t deny the possibilities, but i won’t deny plainly spelled out evidence for the sake of some book written in a time when you could scream "I’VE HEARD GOD SPEAK!" and people would come far and wide to hear what you have to say.

    sure its founding base is on the right angle, but how much of the good book became influenced in later years? especially since its being translated from a dead language, and interpreted even further by maniacial morons with dominance issues?

  39. GrimCW says:

    thats a good point really since these games, unlike schmup like Halo or GoW, will actually be intended to further a political/religious agenda of some sort more than likely. As opposed to just be entertainment.

    what next? PETA’s official vegan series?

    that kinda makes me wanna go play chex quest all of a sudden… heh

  40. GrimCW says:

    i hadn’t even thought of that :p thats a good point.. with texas’s blown up christian ego (no offense to those that don’t share that "i’m bigger and better than anyone else because i’m texan!" attitude mind you. i mean come on, protesting GRAW 2 because it made texans "look like cowards"?) that doesn’t really factor for the real market does it?

  41. thefremen says:

    Love how from post #1 you had the typical persecution complex (as advertised by Mel Gibson) but thus far nobody has said anything negative about Christians per se, but specifically negative comments about cold calculating monetization of people’s faith. 

  42. thefremen says:

    Yeah and they can’t get Deer Hunter success without Deer Hunter system requirements and pricepoint. Those games started at $19.99 and could run on anything that could run Quake. 

  43. Gardog says:

    Deer Hunter was a crap game that sold huge because it tapped into an under-represented market. Left Behind could break the same kind of ground. It wasn’t so long ago that Christian music was a niche market – now it’s big business. It won’t matter if the game is good or bad, only if it makes lots of money.

    And Bigman: of course people will read this and bash Christians, just the same as others bash any mention of gays, minorities or Obama. Welcome to the internet

  44. nightwng2000 says:

    As long as the games are locked behind a counter and the purchaser is carded for buying material that could be "harmful to minors", sure, why not?  :/

    Sarcasm aside, it’s just another genre.  Not one I’m interested in, but someone might be.

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  45. hellfire7885 says:

    Heh, releasing this game in Texas Walmarts to test viability seems to be a lot like releasing a new cheeseburger at Mcdonald’s to see if it’s successful


  46. Baruch_S says:

    That’s theologically incorrect. That doesn’t mean people don’t say it, but they don’t have any Biblical justification for it.

  47. Nessmk2 says:

    This is always hard whenever anything comes up that has to do with religon, but let’s remember that this is a video-game politics site, and we should try to avoid confrontation on religious grounds here.

     

    I think that 3% is a very ambitious goal for Christian game designers. The major problem is that most don’t seem to realize that the game needs to be a game first and a message second. No matter how good the message is, if it doesn’t get played, it doesn’t get across.

    Every character in the Left Behind game had a detailed backstory (I mean the random NPCs) that would change if the character was ‘saved’ or ‘converted’ by either the tribulation forces or the ‘bad guys’. It was a pretty decent effort… But the game sucked. So it didn’t really matter how detailed all that was. I didn’t care, because the fact that bunching a few guitar-playing musicans together was the best defence possible, since you could raise/lower your foe’s ‘faith’ attribute enough they’d join your side instantly.

     

    I look forward to the day when christian desginers realize that the game needs to be good and playable first.

  48. Neeneko says:

    Direct indulgances no, but christian charity is billed as a way to be morally superior to non-christians.  Often when I get into ethical debates on right wing message boards, the example of ‘christians give so much more to charity, so we are ethically superior to you aethists, so don’t question our motives!’.

    It is still treated as an ad-hoc indulgance… give so much to charity, wip away a little sin so you can do other bad things.

  49. Vake Xeacons says:

    Ah yes, money truly is the root of all virtue. I love how people spend money on junk they don’t need but use tithes as an excuse to avoid churches. Christians don’t need money. Pastors don’t need to eat. Support anything but your local church. As for the game, is this really exploitation, or support of a demographic hitherto under-represented in games. My only problem is all Christian games thusfar have all been crap. How well is this really going to work?

  50. Baruch_S says:

    I’m pretty sure you just went to some bad churches. Try going to the smaller ones; they tend to be more normal and less commercialized.

    I think you also need to do a little more study on the history of the Bible. With the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the current texts are about as accurate as can be expected when translating from one language to another, and people are extremely careful in trying to preserve the meanings in translation. Revisions tend to occur simply to try to make the text more readable these days.

  51. GrimCW says:

    maybe not required so much as pressed.

    constant sales infomercials, ad’s, even in the churchs they make a habit of pushing this stuff at times (though usualy in some innocent fashion as the preacher will go on about it and "inform" his group of people about its function in his life… sounds familiar doesn’t it? infomercial anyone?)

    i’ve been to at least 2 churchs that have done that, one of which also doubled as a recording studio for a radio show while services were being held.

    thus selling various religious items ALL over and exploiting peoples beliefs to make a fast penny of some cheap crap one could fashion from random household items and/or junk gotten from a hobby shop or wal mart.

    inumerable books "explaining" the bible, movies, news letters, magazines, etc…

    its exploited in every way thinkable, and somewhere some church has their hands in the pot funding this stuff.

    the bible explanations get me the worst though, its ONE PERSONS interpretation, not the actual, or factual, just ONE persons version of how THEY see it. joke from dilbert here "if i have to explain it, its not funny" the bible shouldn’t be getting reinterpreted. much like the U.S. constitution that only leads to more problems. letter of the law vs spirit of the law, why must we always run off of spirit of it and go with the "you know what i mean" as opposed to the "what i said" when dealing with written texts.

    and sad thing is, thats how we find ourselves with folk along the Jack Thompson breed. He interprets it his way to follow his agenda, carefuly selecting various verses that’ll back his arguement and only his arguement, neglecting various other verses that may directly oppose his own views, or misrepresenting them so they don’t.

    as i said down lower, its a book that was written in a time when anyone could claim to have heard god, and they’d gather followers far and wide without question, then translated from dead languages into our own, and continually revised(??? what?!) over and over in various interpretations and languages. one single out of line word or phrase changes the meaning of EVERYTHING though. reminds me well of Arnold Rimmers Dilemma from Red Dwarf.

    His family was "seventh day hoppists" every sunday they’d hop all day. because of a typo in his mothers bible that said "love, faith, and hop. The most important of which is hop."

    though a joke in all regards, it can easily happen to someone who blindly follows anything they’re told. (i’d like to take a moment to point out the bold word there just in case it was missed, and make note its not a "will")

  52. mentor07825 says:

    I just don’t like the idea that people are exploiting religious people for money. My great grandmother is a Born Again Christian and she spends quite a bit of money on religious things, notably the Daily Bread (A series of small books with interpretations of the bible and other things).

     

    However, I have read in either Edge or Games(tm) that there was a religious video game studio that has made Christian games with the intent of helping people while spreading the word of Christianity lightly. The knock on effect of their software has helped people live with themselves. They’ve received a lot of mail from people who’ve played their games and they said that the game has helped them and changed their lives.

     

    That’s what I want. I want a religious game that can spread the word of their faith while at the same time improving those who play the game. If the game is just put out into the market with the intent of exploitation without helping those that play it then I’m against it.

     

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  53. Baruch_S says:

    I would love to know where you’re getting your ideas from because I’ve lived in the strictly Christian midwest my entire life and have absolutely no clue what the hell you’re talking about. I don’t think anyone is selling indulgences these days…

  54. GrimCW says:

    i still find the best part is how its all either done in "charity" or for a "good cause" yet all the money goes back into some priests pockets.

    god is free, gods word is free (as long as you don’t buy your copy of the bible)

    but anything else costs $$$, and to be a good christian in todays society you must spend lots of $$$ on christian goods or go to hell!

    its gotta be one of the best marketing scams ever.. i mean besides scientology anyways.

  55. Nekowolf says:

    But you are still overgeneralizing several denominations into one broad term. That is the problem here. You shouldn’t strike at the whole religion, just those who are to blame.

  56. chadachada321 says:

    The thing is, at least from my perspective, is that most "Christians" aren’t really Christian at all, they just say "Jesus was god" and leave it at that, barely taking any other parts seriously. Hell, I know plenty of Christians that don’t even think that Jesus is "Lord." Very few, even the ones on this site, claim that these "Christians" are the problem. It’s the true Christians that ARE to blame, the TRULY religious that is a large problem with America/the world. When a third of the US wants the US to be more of a theocracy than a democracy/republic, that’s when it shows the hardcore Christianity is to blame.

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  57. Nekowolf says:

    Sorry, but I too have seen plenty of comments saying all of Christianity is to blame, or all religions in general. That’s no better than the blame, the other way around.

  58. GrimCW says:

    may want to re read that before making immediate assumptions.

    i said the outspoken/vocal majority are as such, thus more oft heard than the quiet minority in that aren’t.

    issue is, even some of those that aren’t anti-gay and what not, still don’t want them to have normal rights and consider them "off" or "strange".

    my mother is a fine example, she doesn’t mind the homosexuals, but still would fight tooth and nail if she could, to prevent them from having marriage rights.

    why? because "god said its not meant to be"

    best answer i could get from her aside from "because its not right"

  59. Hevach says:

    The vocal minority in Christianity isn’t just vocal, they’re also the leaders. There’s a reason why when leaders of an organization speak, they say how many people are in their group, how many people attend their fucntions, how many people donate money to them. Their voice carries the weight of all those people, not just their own.

    This makes the vocal minority a represented majority. There’s an onus in politics to speak or be spoken for. If you hold your tongue, don’t be surprised when you don’t agree with what you end up saying.

  60. Baruch_S says:

    You should try getting to know average Christians instead of assuming they’re all like the anti-gay, anti-science crazies who always make it on the news.

  61. GrimCW says:

    problem is those aren’t the majority that are fine with gays and acknowledge the universes obvious age.

    they are also the vocal minority, mostly as in their completely mute on the topics.

    even still they have a tendancy (without knowing at times) to push their religion on others in various methods.

    missionary work is a grand example. go to a non-christian/cathlolic area and start preaching "if you don’t do as this book says and pay me, your going to suffer eternity in damnation and suffering!"

    really? not trying to force anything on anyone.. nope. no threats there.. just the "truth"

    i’m not going to claim there aren’t those who don’t view it the same, or even remotely similar. but fact remains that the vocal majority are zealots that think that everyone should join under their solid misplaced beliefs, and do as they say.

     

    Edit: seems i was beaten to the punch by much better layed out posts :p

     

    "They say they are the majority and that the "good" Christians are the minority (or they claim that that ALL Christians believe only what THEY believe, denying the existance of any other Chrisitian belief system)."

     

    ooh i love that line 🙂

    especially since there are gay christians that are often times more devote to the good book than most none gay. kinda ironic isn’t it? they tend to have a much more open interpretation of it too, and straightforward. not a "this is what "I" think it says so thats what it says and nothing more" attitude.

  62. Monte says:

    Well for one thing, since good christians do not smack people over the head with their religion, they seldem talk about it unless the subject comes up… many of the people you may think are non-religious because they never spoke of religion could easily infact be religious… Hell, that’s actually part of the problem, only the bad christians have the overzealous ferver required to become a leader within a religion; the good chrisitans rather keep things small… the bad chrisitans’ tendancy to smack people over the head with their religion is EXACTLY what gives them the drive to become relisigious-leaning pundits, politicians, and so forth… good chrisitans do not have that same drive and thus keep their more to themselves; at most they might become the priest, but one you never see speaking in front of a camera… honestly, dealing with bad chrisitans is like dealing with forum trolls, it’s a lot easier to just ignore them, then it is to try and fight for dominance

     

    Another thing is the two party system, the mentality that not-voting is as good as throwing your vote away and the idea that it is better to vote for the lesser of two evils. Asking where the good chritians are based on politicians is like asking where the fiscal conservatives are in lue of all the social conservatives in the office. I mean, the moderate conservative may not like the stances of the extreme right conservative, but in the end he still hates the liberal stances even more and would not want to "waste" their vote on a third party… as such he votes for the extreme right even though they make the rest of the repbilican party look bad… for christian voters, more or less the same deal… even if they do not like some of the stances of one guy, they still think it’s better then what the other guy… vote for the lessor of two evils, because their is no "good" option… Hell before you go asking "why are bad chrisitans getting votes" you need to ask "how many good christians actually want to compete against those politicans"… again, most good christians don’t want to be religious leaders, so if one does become a leader then 10-1 says they are not gonna be talking about god too much (again keeping it too themselves)

    Another factor to consider is the generational gap… the newer generations look at relgion much more liberally then previous generations; they may carry the same faith, but they treat it differently… my grandmother’s generation may be obviously religious, but my parents generation is just as religious but are not obvious about it, and it’s even more so with my generation… fact is, the bad chrisitans may try to pass on their beliefs to the next generation, but all in all, there’s is a dying breed (one thing that helps is that their teachings end up pushing away their students)… and once they are gone the good chrisitans will be able to waltz right on in

     

    Not to mention that chrisitans are found at ALL points of the political spectrum… meaning you got plenty of Christians voting for liberals just as you have them voting for conservatives… Hell if i recall, pretty most every US president confided in some form of chrisitanity, and while i know they weren’t all winners, some of them seem pretty good and didn’t go clobbering their religion over our heads.

  63. nightwng2000 says:

    Maybe not all are, but when the "others" win in some vote, you can bet that there are many articles of "Christians (the overall religion, not segregated by different sects and beliefs) are the majority in this country", and those winning those votes on various issues are counting ALL Christians, including those that don’t agree with them.

    Face it, if there is a majority who are as you say, then where are they?  They’re not voting against those who do favor discrimination, bigotry, lies, deceit, and other truly immoral acts.  So where, in fact, ARE the majority voting "good" Christians?  Apparently, they’re letting the "bad" ones be the representatives of the overall Christian belief system.

    You and I both know there are a great many different major religions.  And several non-religious groups, from Agnostic to Atheist.  And within any major religion, there are a great many seperate sects, all of whom may be broken down even further.  (I think religioustolerance.org said there was about 30,000 or so different subcatagories of Christianity alone.)

    But if there an overwhelming majority of "good" Christians out there.  And all those who promote bigotry, hate, abuse, and other such acts as being acceptable because of their Christian beliefs are "bad" Christians.

    Then why are so many legal cases and propositions (such as gay Rights, homosexual marriage, taking "In God We Trust" off of government printed legal currency, etc) being won in favor of the "bad" Christians?  They say they are the majority and that the "good" Christians are the minority (or they claim that that ALL Christians believe only what THEY believe, denying the existance of any other Chrisitian belief system).

    So where IS that majority of "good" Christians?

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  64. Beacon80 says:

    You might be tolerent enough to limit your statements like that, but I’ve seen a lot of comments on here from people who don’t.

    Incidentally, I agree with you completely on points A and B.  Not surprising, however, considering I’m agnostic.

  65. chadachada321 says:

    No, we act as if all STUPID Christians are like these people. As in, those that want a) Religion brought into our government or b) Religion influencing our laws.

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  66. Beacon80 says:

    Except there are plenty of Christians who are fine with gays, acknowledge that the universe is over 6000 years old, and don’t try to push their views on people.  The reason your comments rile people up is because you generally act as if ALL Christians are like whoever’s causing trouble at the moment.

  67. Nekowolf says:

    I think it’s a question of demand. Just how big is the demand for Christian games (not saying either way of the argument)? They have Christian rock, sure, but we pagans have, like, pagan, folk, Viking, etc. metal.

  68. Tyriku says:

    So? How is this different from them selling Christian music (which they do, and have done for a long time)?

    EDIT: That being said, now that I think about it, I do have a problem with the entire niche being represented by some of the worst games possible for the job. Digital Praise would’ve been a much better choice.

  69. Nekowolf says:

    If you ask me, the whole thing about it being Christian comes down to this – it depends on denominations.

    Some denominations are more liberal, and open to others, while others (thinking mostly of Evangelicals and Pentecostals for the moment) want to infuse their religion into government to establish theocracy. But some lump all denominations into one broad umbrella term, and go after that without discern between them.

  70. Zerodash says:

    I’ll start:

    Perhaps the "antireligious crap" will stop when Christians stop their persecution of gays, pretending the universe is 6000 years old, and trying to push their ways on everyone.  Until that stops, I’d say they are fair game. 

     

  71. Bigman-K says:

    Hum, I wonder how long until the Allied Atheist Alliance will start start spewing anti-religious crap from their mouths in the comments section for this story. Should be pretty soon.

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  72. lordlundar says:

    The joke is that good conservative christians are "true" patriots and are gung-ho for anything that’s blood and guts, so MW and MW2 are considered patriotic games for them.

  73. MrKlorox says:

    This. Gamers don’t buy these games for themselves. Their out-of-touch relatives buy these as gifts.

  74. gamegod25 says:

    "The US market for Christian video games could reach $648 Million within the next five years"

    I highly doubt that. Simply because all bible games have been utter crap. But then again the games probably don’t have to be good for for them to buy it.

  75. MrKlorox says:

    Is that a bandwagon reference? Or a Jihad reference?

    If bandwagon, I’d have gone with ‘Halo’ series instead because of the obvious connection.

  76. MaskedPixelante says:

    I can’t even NAME 3 recent Christian games, besides Left Behind. Maybe the other 2 are going to be Call of Duty 4 and Modern Warfare 2.

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  77. GrimCW says:

    thats terrorist fodder there!

    lol, send that to a politician, the game must be stopped before bin laden plans his next biblical attack on NYC!

    why not? i mean, they had to edit nearly every flight sim, and training prog out there to misrepresent major cities/locations because of the "ability to plan out possible terrorists attacks" using these things.

  78. SeanB says:

    I’m in 100% agreement here. I’ve been to churches where people are encouraged to spend thier money on "christian" goods. It’s bullshit. It’s a way for people to make money, exploiting people who have been brought up to fear fictional deities, in this case the christian god.

    How many magazine subscriptions, porceline crosses, baptism gifts, and collection plates have been given or filled with guilt. Lets start it all over with a new generation of grandmothers buying chrstian themed games for kids who will have to grin and say "gee, thanks grandma!"

    Sorry, done ranting now.

  79. mentor07825 says:

    I don’t even know what to say to this.

    Good for people to finally realise their creativity in exploiting Christians in a totally new way? Enjoy my motto, as it does have something to do with God and video games >.>

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  80. sqlrob says:

    Are there any good Christian games?

    The only ones I’ve ever heard about have been:

     * These Left Behind Games

     * Cheap ripoffs of other games (e.g. Praise Hero)

     * Bible Trivia

    I think there’s a recent adventure game out, but I don’t know that it’s available hardcopy. Salome, I think.

     

  81. Neeneko says:

    True, but if their crappy games set a prescient, it is possible that other companies that actually know what they are doing might have a shot at a market.

  82. Chaltab says:

    I’m torn.

    On one hand, it would be cool to see more religious expression through video games and less distrust from Christian organizations.

    On the other hand, Left Behind’s games are kind of crap–both via gameplay and via doctrine. So this  is probably a step in the wrong direction.

  83. Alareth says:

    I just watched the trailer for the Left Behind game and they claim it has the most realistic recreation of New York City to ever appear in a video game.

  84. OmegaWarrior says:

    I have a feeling that if the experiment goes well, it won’t be because it was in  Texas, so much as because it was in Wal-Mart.

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