Moore: Disc-Based Media a Burning Platform
Moore: Disc-Based Media a Burning Platform
October 19, 2009
EA Sports President Peter Moore has labeled the videogame industry’s current reliance on disc-based media as a “burning platform.”
Speaking at the PLAY Digital Media Conference, Moore also thinks Microsoft will be the first console manufacturer to go all digital, reports IGN, even though such a move is years away. Speaking on digital distribution he stated:
As a concept, do you stay on the platform and face certain death, or do you jump into the water and face probable death? Most of you would choose probable death, so you start moving towards a hybrid model of digital distribution.
While Moore added that it could take up to a decade for physical media to disappear, he asked:
The important question is, what does the next console look like? Does it actually have a disc drive?
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Wishful thinking does not equal reality you detestable money-grubbing little bastard.
Just because the department you're in charge of only puts out enough effort to justify a digital download rather than a whole new full-priced game (despite the fact you go for the full-priced game every time) doesn't mean it's the future.
Still, at least EA are holding true to their plans to attempt to forcefully re-shape the gaming industry in their own image and for their own benefit/profit.
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I thought this was another "killer game" drive.
I expcect physical game media to disappear about 5-10 years after physical media of music recordings disappear.
add another 10-20 years to that....
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How is digital media any harder to copy? Sounds almost like digital distribution makes it easier. Pirates and hackers want to, theyll do it.
I do like how theyre coming around though. It used to be ANY digital distribution was copyright infringement.
Digital media is obsteniably easier to copy, but digital distribution makes it easier for the publisher to keep track of the customer's games, as well as cutting down on actual physical copies of games, which cost money to produce.
I wouldn't be an asshole if I didn't point out that vinyl was technically supposed to die along time and and is currently making a small comeback. :P
A physical media won't dissapear all together hopefully. :(
Ha. "Burning." I see what he did there. At least we know their motivation isn't "consumer convenience."
Of course, DRM on digital distributions is already being cracked left and right, so the issue won't go away. For publishers, at least.
I won't be fully on-board with this discless future until they figure out how I can backup the games I pay for.
I can play any of the NES, 2600, intellivision, etc games I bought in the 80's right now. What kind of protection do I have to play a download-only game I bought 10+ years in the future?
On an unrelated note, all of my 1970's/80's systems still work. They don't make 'em like they used to!
Exactly my first thought. I don't want to be screwed over for something stupid like what happens now for things that you PAY FOR on PS3's online network. I want security, so I can be sure that I'll always be able to use what I payed for.
-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-
I think downloadable and/or some kind of flash media is the future. Flash media is going down in price big time. So instead of a disc, youll be using XX-GB memory cards to load and play your games. I bought a special edition Lamb of god album (music) and it even came with a thumb drive with the album on it as well as some extras. I can see where this is headed. The less moving parts the better and cheaper.
Cheaper to MAKE perhaps, but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that saving to be passed on to the consumer. Right EA?
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Unwriteable flash media, I don't have a problem with that.
I'm not wed to disks, but I do want physical media that's not bound to a console.
The current big thing in music right now is downlaod to a SD card kiosk, I think a mix of kiosks and unwriteable flash discs will be a road tot ake since getting fast wireless connections everywhere is still just out of reach.
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I don't like the idea of not having a phyiscal medium, in some way, shape, or form. I don't care if it's cartridges, CD's, DVD's, or Flash drives, as long as it is something. (In fact, I kind of like the idea of Flash drives, as long as they remain cheap and can improve transfer speeds.)
If gaming goes purely to digital, meaning I pay 50+ bucks for the right to access data, rather than OWN a physical copy of said data, I may commit myself to piracy. I don't necessarily LIKE piracy, but I'm certainly not going to pay my hard earned money if I can't get a physical copy of the game and GARUNTEED LIFETIME ACCESS to the game, no matter what happens..
Agreed, sir. Hell, just paypal the money to the developer directly, that way you don't have to deal with the middleman (EA, etc) who doesn't DESERVE any of the money.
-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-
EA develop a lot of their games through wholly-owned developments houses though. (Bioware, Pandemic etc etc)
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They sure as sith didn't start under EA though, which of course brings us back to the "destroy or acquire" mentality of said company.
This won't be about customer convenience as none of the savings will be passed to the customer.
Valve may have gotten it right with Steam, but I woudln't trust EA with the keys to a gardening shed.
This will have nothing to do about customer conveneience and everythign to do withj publishers having a say in ANYTHING you do with a product. Eliminating physical media has everything to do with eradicatign second hand sale, trading, and say if a developer make a sequel to a game, and a publisher feels you should buy that instead of playing the previous title. They could easily disable the previous title from ever working again, essentialyl forcing you to buy the new one.
I'll safely say after that, I'd be doen with that particullar publisher, which would be sad if I enjoyed the game.
I see the point about a hybrid of discs and digital distribution being optimal, but it should never, EVER, be forced digital-only. It wouldn't work for ANY media, books, music, movies, anything. Hell, to even say disc-only is 'certain death' is a little iffy of a claim.
It's simple really if no net is detected the game will play as is "out of the box" in a limtied single player format. And add critical core fixes that can be added to it without having to go directly online(or not but as seeing how a few games need a patch to work at all....this is more of a suggestion).
When the net is found you go through authentication if the sever is found, if not theres nothing to authenticate and the game will be stuck in offline mode, if it is found you get updates and links to directly buy add ons and what not.
Its a seamless system thats nearly future proof.
Support would be authenticated through the game so offical forums would only have offical custmers,ect.
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"Its a seamless system thats nearly future proof"
Hence it will never catch on. It's not about us, the consumer, remember? We are just supposed to fork over our cash and be damn grateful that we even get anything in return.
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Well its thier loss, they are ones burning milloins away trying to stop the immpossable.
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But one pirated copy equals a gillion lost sales! It needs to be STOPPED dammit!
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Then don't sell/make anything, you'll save tons of money that way!!
Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! Stop supporting big media and furthering the criminalization of consumers!! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/
but what happens if you uninstall the game and then the company you've purchased it from drops it? My big fear with the move over to digital distribution is that X years down the line I'm going to want to reinstall a game and find that its no longer availible for download. The whole online/offline authentication thing only applies so long as the game is still hosted. At least with traditional disk/cart/tape media you can play the games long after they've been dropped (or even buy them on ebay).
It's like, we can't trust physical media, so we have to go to an all-digital distribution console solution. Digital distribution eliminates the physical media. It's ephemeral, ghost-like...
...wait a minute! Peter Moore is announcing the return of the Phantom!
Physical media will not go a way in the next 20 years at all. Some company will come up with a Terabyte+ medium that will offer storage that downloads won't be able to compete with.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Peter Moore is a douche and will burn in hell for what he did to the Dreamcast.
He's clearly an idiot with no firm grasp on reality. People don't pirate on disc - they pirate with torrents.
Files they *download*.
Not physical media.
If the next gen of consoles has no disc drive, I will not be buying it.
Yup, all-digital distribution is the way to go, I mean look at how popular the PSPgo is...
Wait a second...
I will never be truely happy with all digital distribution, as it forgets the many people with limited or slow internet access. It also requires ever increasing storage space if you don't want to constanly re download software, and continued access to older games lives and dies on the whim of the people you are buying from.
"We never paid any heed to the ancient prophecies... Like fools we clung to the old hatreds, and fought as we had for generations"
digital distribution won't overtake physical media for at least another decade.
The definition of insanity: doing the exact same thing over and over expecting a different result.
Exactly how many times have companies said that their new system would be foolproof, uncrackable, unpirateable?
How many times have they been right?
Now what I would do in the case of the uninstalled game that is no longer supported or available for purchase/download is allege constructive abandonment of that property and therefore open it up to unrestricted download from people who have uploaded a torrent etc.
Once a company takes down any ability to download or acquire the property and fails to maintain the servers which allow it to be paid they should be told "That's fine, but realize that now anyone can crack your authentication protection. You've abandoned the property and its now in the 'great unclaimed commons' for anyone to do with what they please."
AKA The Abandonware Defence. Which still doesn't work because all the company does is maintain they may possibly perhaps start selling it again in the future. Maybe.
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