France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

October 26, 2009 -

In light of France officially approving a tough, three-strike law against illegal downloaders, the European Parliament has exorcised an amendment to its Telecoms Package that would have made it more difficult to disconnect pirates from the Internet.

France’s “Hadopi” law was passed last week following a revision which added a provision that a judge must approve disconnecting a user from the Web. A first offense will result in an email, while a second infringement will result in a letter being sent to the person who illegally downloaded material. A third strike would result in disconnection, now subject to a judge’s ruling.

Amendment 138 to the EU Telecoms Package was dropped, meaning that “individual countries would be able to ask internet service providers to remove users deemed to be persistent pirates without needing a prior court order,” writes the BBC, which believes that this is a lead up to the UK introducing its own disconnection policy for pirates next month.

Forrester analyst Mark Mulligan thinks that any legislation is too slow to do much to affect pirates, “Technology just moves quicker. Already we are seeing around 20 different alternatives to peer-to-peer piracy.”


|Thanks Hreinn, Image via DeviantArt|

Posted in

Comments

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Unsurprising.  Depressing, but unsurprising.

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

I have mixed feelings about this law. For one, I think I agree if a person is stealing there should be consequences but my biggest fear is that some in the general public who have never experienced the horrors of a court room will have a huge wake up call. Justice in Court is not even handed anymore and anyone who has ever just went in to observe a Traffic or Family Court will note that they are all show trials.

The Decision has already been set and if dare to question you will be mocked and ordered to pay more then what the law says.

Without a doubt though, I do support laws to punish file sharers who steal goods. Will I say I never have downloaded a game? Of course not, I think a good number of people in protest downloaded games like Spore to spite EA for their Draconian DRM.

What we need to do is get rid of the International Treaty known as the DMCA because as of right now people are thrown in prison for simply making modification to game systems or games in general to sometimes remove DRM.

Seven years ago, anyone who went to a Warez site or downloaded a game from a Social Networking site, you knew the game was going to come with a virus or many strings attached. Now, the pirated copy is cleaner and safer then the one being crippled with DRM. If we get more people in Congress who understand the plight of the people against DRM I think we can get something done. As for now the ESA keeps lobbying to protect the industry and those who are against DRM and make tools to strip these games of any DRM.

The whole Sony RootKit problem got attention quickly because the mass majority of people obviously, buy Cds and to put intrusive DRM into a market where the people who vote and put people into office are going to get inconvenienced then yeah they are going to make sure Sony pays but obviously here in the gaming market DRM is alive and well.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

The only thing they use to say that you're a naughty pirate is the IP address they randomly pick during their "investigations". It's not about piracy, it's about money.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Btw it's Hadopi 2, because the first one was rejected.

Well, the funny thing is that this law is already ineffective...

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Better than the "go directly to prison and lose everythign youi own" method perpotrated by the cartel i nthe states.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

well...i think complete disconnect without court order is little extreme, i could at least be content with a three strike system. Now in the few times i've done stuff classified as pirating (mostly under the "can i run this" idea, i did later buy the game for 360, not that that's justification for my act) if i had recieved an e-mail saying "first strike, don't do it again" i'd never knowingly pirate anything again.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

"any legislation is too slow to do much to affect pirates"

Which means that this guy must be considered a fashist, since he claims that democracy is "unfit" to deal (with his simple-minded definition of) "piracy" and basically wants to circumvent the judicial process to his own medieval concept of vigilantism. "Shoot first, ask questions later!"

What's next? Hiring regulators and mercenaries to physically "eliminate piracy"?

This law is a shame for any democratic nation and proves that two of the oldest democracies in Europe (England + France) are now suffering from a serious case of corporatism and state corruption.

ZAR.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Wow, are you Neo_DrKefkas apprentice?

--------------------------------------------------

I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

-------------------------------------------------- I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

> Wow, are you Neo_DrKefkas apprentice?

No. I actually need proof to be paranoid.

ZAR.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Really?

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Uhm... what?  That's an awfully big jump from "This law will be ineffective" to "I am a fascist who wants to subject anyone I don't agree with to several varieties of stabbity death".  Just from the quote you cited, I would actually wager that the guy is in opposition to the law, not some Mussolini wannabe.

Please, if you have any more evidence as to why this person deserves such vitriol, share it. Otherwise, are you sure your foot-in-mouth vaccine is up to date?  I think you may need a booster shot.

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Dude, did you actually *read* the article?

He said:

"any legislation is too slow to do much to affect pirates"

-> *ANY* legislation

He didn't say "THIS law is inefficient".

And if you don't like what I'm saying, try using an argument instead.

Or does your own political diet of happy pills and tranquilisers make you too dizzy and confused for that?

ZAR.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

First, the quote you provide doesn't actually exist.  Or at the very least, it doesn't exist except in a synopsis of what the guy said.  It's not actually something he said.

Second, saying "any legislation is too slow to affect piracy" is still nowhere near equivalent to saying "I'm a fascist who eats babies".  It could just as easily be saying "I don't think we should legislate this because it won't achieve what we want it to".

What you're claiming is that if I say "DRM is ineffective", then I want to instead shift to a bounty system where anyone suspected of piracy is hung by their toes until dead.  You're pulling a whole lot of speculation out of a single non-quote.

If you can produce ANY evidence for your claim that the guy is fascist aside from the one non-quote and your leagues of paranoid speculation pulled from it, please do so and I'll concede defeat.

Until you do that, all you're doing is proving that you choose a theory, then twist facts to support it.  Which isn't an argument, it's an article of faith.

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known
 
Forgot your password?
Username :
Password :

Poll

How do you feel about Amazon buying Twitch?:

Shout box

You're not permitted to post shouts.
Papa MidnightI could say the same about race. I certainly enjoyed being on the receiving end of this while playing StarCraft II this past week: http://i.imgur.com/mIZA1QB.png (and this is actually mild compared to what I usually see). Report players? What a joke...08/29/2014 - 12:29am
AvalongodWhether you approve of Sarkeesian's view or not, no woman deserves to be the target of that kind of harassment and it won't stop until men tell each other it's not appropriate under any circumstance.08/28/2014 - 8:44pm
AvalongodI'm guessing the twitter account was a troll, but come on, I'm sorry, it's just disgusting someone is saying those things to Sarkeesian whether serious or a joke.08/28/2014 - 8:43pm
ZippyDSMleesocial movement that is bringing most of these issue to the spot light to be nothing but trend mongering white knighting bullies who are not much better than the hateful moronic bullies on the other side.08/28/2014 - 5:20pm
ZippyDSMleereflects the world we live in while the rest is the worst stuff that should be focused on. Leaving whats reflected in the same boat as everything else that's exaggerated and skewed by media/fiction and happliy consumed by current society. I find the socia08/28/2014 - 5:20pm
ZippyDSMleemales live off the power fantasy but once you realize as a male you will never reach what fiction or media calls perfect it demoralizes you just the same. And I would not call female negative stereotypes rampant and out of control not when 70-80% of it re08/28/2014 - 5:19pm
ZippyDSMleeNot saying that there is not a difference in the treatment of males and females in media, but males are begin painted as near perfect superhumans with cliched flaws it dose as much damage to the psyche as how females are treated. Sure you could claim that08/28/2014 - 5:19pm
ZippyDSMleeNeeneko:As I said if you do not 100% belive it then you are a Neanderthal. Theres more gray to everything than black and white.08/28/2014 - 1:27pm
NeenekoMeh, the "PCism" is just trotted out when people do not know their place and dare to complain about things the speakers think are fine. How dare people complain about how they are treated/portrayed, it is not like it bother us, our feelings matter!08/28/2014 - 1:13pm
ZippyDSMleeNeeneko I do not think its against feminism but rather against PCisim’s and that most things are offensive since if you do not believe that you are a Neanderthal that beats women,ect..08/28/2014 - 12:48pm
Neenekocomplete with the standard 'she is a lying and attacking the game industry! threats are wrong but she did it to herself' comments.08/28/2014 - 11:28am
Neenekosad, but not surprising. the backlash against feminism has been growing the last few years.08/28/2014 - 11:25am
PHX Corphttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/27/feminist-video-game-critic-forced-to-leave-her-home-after-online-rape-and-death-threats/ Feminist video game critic forced to leave her home after online rape and death threats08/28/2014 - 9:43am
Uncharted NEShttp://kotaku.com/once-again-atlus-doesnt-want-you-to-spoil-the-new-pers-162782610808/28/2014 - 5:17am
Uncharted NESOnce Again, Atlus Doesn't Want You to Spoil the New Persona08/28/2014 - 5:16am
lomdrPretty much, Andrew. And hell, it helps that it is a bit reasonably priced too. $8 for 1, $12 for both at once08/28/2014 - 3:43am
Andrew EisenMP - Probably not and for good reason. That term holds a lot of deserved negative baggage.08/27/2014 - 10:02pm
Uncharted NESApprently there is still a classic mode, but...08/27/2014 - 9:34pm
MaskedPixelanteSo, there's been massive positive reception to the Mario Kart 8 DLC bundle. Somehow, I doubt it would have gotten as much positive buzz if they called it a "Season Pass".08/27/2014 - 9:34pm
Uncharted NEShttp://m.pcgamer.com/2014/08/27/quake-live-makes-newbie-friendly-changes-in-latest-update-people-get-mad/08/27/2014 - 9:19pm
 

Be Heard - Contact Your Politician