France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

October 26, 2009 -

In light of France officially approving a tough, three-strike law against illegal downloaders, the European Parliament has exorcised an amendment to its Telecoms Package that would have made it more difficult to disconnect pirates from the Internet.

France’s “Hadopi” law was passed last week following a revision which added a provision that a judge must approve disconnecting a user from the Web. A first offense will result in an email, while a second infringement will result in a letter being sent to the person who illegally downloaded material. A third strike would result in disconnection, now subject to a judge’s ruling.

Amendment 138 to the EU Telecoms Package was dropped, meaning that “individual countries would be able to ask internet service providers to remove users deemed to be persistent pirates without needing a prior court order,” writes the BBC, which believes that this is a lead up to the UK introducing its own disconnection policy for pirates next month.

Forrester analyst Mark Mulligan thinks that any legislation is too slow to do much to affect pirates, “Technology just moves quicker. Already we are seeing around 20 different alternatives to peer-to-peer piracy.”


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Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Unsurprising.  Depressing, but unsurprising.

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

I have mixed feelings about this law. For one, I think I agree if a person is stealing there should be consequences but my biggest fear is that some in the general public who have never experienced the horrors of a court room will have a huge wake up call. Justice in Court is not even handed anymore and anyone who has ever just went in to observe a Traffic or Family Court will note that they are all show trials.

The Decision has already been set and if dare to question you will be mocked and ordered to pay more then what the law says.

Without a doubt though, I do support laws to punish file sharers who steal goods. Will I say I never have downloaded a game? Of course not, I think a good number of people in protest downloaded games like Spore to spite EA for their Draconian DRM.

What we need to do is get rid of the International Treaty known as the DMCA because as of right now people are thrown in prison for simply making modification to game systems or games in general to sometimes remove DRM.

Seven years ago, anyone who went to a Warez site or downloaded a game from a Social Networking site, you knew the game was going to come with a virus or many strings attached. Now, the pirated copy is cleaner and safer then the one being crippled with DRM. If we get more people in Congress who understand the plight of the people against DRM I think we can get something done. As for now the ESA keeps lobbying to protect the industry and those who are against DRM and make tools to strip these games of any DRM.

The whole Sony RootKit problem got attention quickly because the mass majority of people obviously, buy Cds and to put intrusive DRM into a market where the people who vote and put people into office are going to get inconvenienced then yeah they are going to make sure Sony pays but obviously here in the gaming market DRM is alive and well.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

The only thing they use to say that you're a naughty pirate is the IP address they randomly pick during their "investigations". It's not about piracy, it's about money.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Btw it's Hadopi 2, because the first one was rejected.

Well, the funny thing is that this law is already ineffective...

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Better than the "go directly to prison and lose everythign youi own" method perpotrated by the cartel i nthe states.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

well...i think complete disconnect without court order is little extreme, i could at least be content with a three strike system. Now in the few times i've done stuff classified as pirating (mostly under the "can i run this" idea, i did later buy the game for 360, not that that's justification for my act) if i had recieved an e-mail saying "first strike, don't do it again" i'd never knowingly pirate anything again.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

"any legislation is too slow to do much to affect pirates"

Which means that this guy must be considered a fashist, since he claims that democracy is "unfit" to deal (with his simple-minded definition of) "piracy" and basically wants to circumvent the judicial process to his own medieval concept of vigilantism. "Shoot first, ask questions later!"

What's next? Hiring regulators and mercenaries to physically "eliminate piracy"?

This law is a shame for any democratic nation and proves that two of the oldest democracies in Europe (England + France) are now suffering from a serious case of corporatism and state corruption.

ZAR.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Wow, are you Neo_DrKefkas apprentice?

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

> Wow, are you Neo_DrKefkas apprentice?

No. I actually need proof to be paranoid.

ZAR.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Really?

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Uhm... what?  That's an awfully big jump from "This law will be ineffective" to "I am a fascist who wants to subject anyone I don't agree with to several varieties of stabbity death".  Just from the quote you cited, I would actually wager that the guy is in opposition to the law, not some Mussolini wannabe.

Please, if you have any more evidence as to why this person deserves such vitriol, share it. Otherwise, are you sure your foot-in-mouth vaccine is up to date?  I think you may need a booster shot.

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

Dude, did you actually *read* the article?

He said:

"any legislation is too slow to do much to affect pirates"

-> *ANY* legislation

He didn't say "THIS law is inefficient".

And if you don't like what I'm saying, try using an argument instead.

Or does your own political diet of happy pills and tranquilisers make you too dizzy and confused for that?

ZAR.

Re: France Passes Hadopi Law, EU Kills Amendment

First, the quote you provide doesn't actually exist.  Or at the very least, it doesn't exist except in a synopsis of what the guy said.  It's not actually something he said.

Second, saying "any legislation is too slow to affect piracy" is still nowhere near equivalent to saying "I'm a fascist who eats babies".  It could just as easily be saying "I don't think we should legislate this because it won't achieve what we want it to".

What you're claiming is that if I say "DRM is ineffective", then I want to instead shift to a bounty system where anyone suspected of piracy is hung by their toes until dead.  You're pulling a whole lot of speculation out of a single non-quote.

If you can produce ANY evidence for your claim that the guy is fascist aside from the one non-quote and your leagues of paranoid speculation pulled from it, please do so and I'll concede defeat.

Until you do that, all you're doing is proving that you choose a theory, then twist facts to support it.  Which isn't an argument, it's an article of faith.

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known

-- Sometimes the truth is arrived at by adding all the little lies together and deducting them from the totality of what is known
 
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Andrew EisenDude, again. I am NOT saying there is no appeals process. THERE OBVIOUSLY IS. All I am saying is that the appeals process is not described in the ratings process part of the ESRB's website.05/29/2015 - 4:59am
IronPatriotI googled appeal esrb.org and it is the first and third hits. Second is esrb talking about appeals for web publishers. Gamefaqs is fourth.05/29/2015 - 4:01am
IronPatriotZachary said he did not find any information about a formal appeals process. I did a simple search and found two places on the esrb site with the info. Just sayin.05/29/2015 - 3:57am
IronPatriotOn Google I get "1 Written Testimony of Patricia E. Vance President ... - ESRB" http://www.esrb.org/about/news/downloads/pvtestimony_6_14_06.pdf05/29/2015 - 3:55am
Andrew EisenNow, that post on GameFAQs was made four years ago. It appears the ESRB has since moved the appeals process stuff behind the publisher login on its website.05/29/2015 - 3:32am
Andrew EisenOh, third link on the Google search. Okay. That leads to a GameFAQs message board which quotes a section of the ESRB website that includes a description of the appeals process. But when you follow the link, that quote doesn't exist.05/29/2015 - 3:30am
Andrew EisenThird link down from what? Look, I'm not arguing the existance of an appeals process. There obviously is one. I was merely noting that it's odd that it isn't described on the website's ratings process section but it is on the mobile site.05/29/2015 - 3:25am
IronPatriotOK, so use the third link down, which describes the appeals process and is not on the mobile site"Publishers also have the ability to appeal an ESRB rating assignment to an Appeals Board, which is made up of publishers, retailers and other professionals."05/29/2015 - 2:47am
Andrew EisenRight, which links to the ESRB's mobile site. On the website (again, unless I'm overlooking it) the appeals process is locked behind the publisher login.05/29/2015 - 2:37am
IronPatriotHuh? Google "appeals esrb". It is the first link. Click it. No login requested.05/29/2015 - 2:31am
Andrew EisenInteresting. It's on the mobile site but unless I'm overlooking it, I don't see it under the Ratings Process on the web site. It is under the publishers section but you can't access it without a login.05/29/2015 - 2:13am
IronPatriot"Publishers also have the ability to appeal an ESRB rating assignment to an Appeals Board made up of publishers, retailers and other professionals. " Esrb05/29/2015 - 2:01am
IronPatriotZachary, did you look on the esrb site? The esrb appeals process pops up when you search "esrb appeals" http://m.esrb.org/faq_09.php05/29/2015 - 2:00am
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