Inside Germany’s “Killer Game” Fight

November 4, 2009 -

EuroGamer has an insightful piece up entitled “Killerspiele,” which takes a look at the state of controversial games in Germany.

The article begins by detailing the failed “Killer Game Drive” put on by the Aktionsbündnis Amoklauf Winnenden last month in Stuttgart, noting that Harry Schober (pictured left), a father of one of the German school shooting victims from earlier this year, founded both the organization and the game round up.

Other aspects covered include a detailed look at Germany’s game rating system, which “goes further than any other to ensure that unsuitable videogames don't get into the hands of unsuitable players,” and the positive effect that a gamer-driven, grass-roots effort had upon government.

Where the piece’s author—Simon Parkin—excels though is in his ability to frame perfectly both the anguish of Schober and the outrage of gamers, who feel that their rights are being affected by attempts to limit access to certain games:

We should always be mindful that videogames offer mere fleeting entertainment while life, in contrast, is infinitely precious. The former should never threaten the latter. Hardy Schober's anguish may be misplaced and his tabloid-friendly skip stunt deserving of mockery. But more than that, he deserves a conversation. If gamers cannot afford him that, then in some ways, they really are to blame.


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People like him don't WANT to be convinced otherwise, they already are CERTAIN in their believes who and what is to blame. Scapegoat found, worldview established, mission accomplished! "It's not our fault, it's the evil video games!"

And he also won't stop - just slowly fade away into obscurity like so many other nutters and hipocrits before (and after) him.

Blame GUNS and AMMO and the idiocy of some people of keeping both together in the very same spot - and not giving a damn about their own children's mental health.

ZAR.

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Unfortunally this will take a LOOONG time to fix :(

 

Here in Brazil one of our classic books (our brazillian version of mandatory read, like Moby Dick is in the US...) starts this way:

"The guy lives in a house full of books, neighbors dislike that, they think that books are not for righteus people."

The book was set only 100 years ago (around 1909), then 50 years ago we had the comics hate... I don't think that media hate will go away anytime soon...

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/r

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I wonder why some people think that we are born 100% good. It must take something like media or in this case, video games to make a person do such horrible things. Yes, what happened to his son is horrible, but blame it upon the killer. He murdered your son on his behalf. The person almost assassinated Reagan was Hinckley, not Jodie Foster.

Truth is, humans been killing other humans since the dawn of time. It's not copy cat behaviour. You know I heard about a very gruesome true story. There was a neighbourhood kid that took cats, buried them up to their heads, and ran out them with a lawn mower. Now, name me a movie, video game, television show, or even book that has anything remotely like that. We hardly see animal abuse in media, so what is this kid is copying?

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That is a sad story about the kitty cat. I love cats & animals.

 

 

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

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I feel this, among many other things, is the reason why there will never be any world peace.

Because people who have lost something important to them have got no other way of moving on and instead want to hurt other people just to make themselves feel good about it.

To me, that is no way to move on in life, because you are just becoming more worse than the people who took something special away from you in the first place.

 

TBoneTony

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You know what?  I lose most of the sympathy I would feel for people like Schober when they turn around and try to make excuses for the actions of bad people- and then work to take away the rights of others...all in an attempt to feel better. 

This new-age movement to remove responsibility from people who do evil, is evil itself.

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It makes you wonder that if this did happen then what would he do next? Target a different group of people to take away their rights to make himself and others feel better? I bet he would. But if he did actually make it to where he got his way, what would he do then? What would he say then? Would his life go back to normal? Or go back to normal after a couple of years? See that's the thing, if he does get his way, what would happen then? Now I'm stumped.

 

 

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

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"videogames offer mere fleeting entertainment while life, in contrast, is infinitely precious. The former should never threaten the latter."

I don't get it.  Games didn't make lunatics shoot this guy's son.  Why does this guy 'deserve a conversation' and why are we the ones who should be giving it to him?  We had nothing to do with his son's death and if he's going to expect us to engage him in a dialogue he's going to be disappointed.  I, for one, have better things to do that be the target of some bereaved nutcase's anger displacement.

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Wait, so what exactly is wrong with not wanting to converse about something that has nothing to do with us?  There are countless murders all over the world that have nothing to do with me also, do I have to make my appeal to those people as well?  And what about other nonrelated hobbies?  Do model car builders have to converse on something that doesn't have anything to do with them?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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I think the idea is that people have certain misconceptions regarding video games, and it becomes an easy scapegoat due to the violent nature of some video games. Now we can ridicule the nutjobs like he-who-shall-not-be-named-who-is-in-the-back-mirror all we want, but parents that are filled with grief and buy into this stuff due to their loss, we should talk with and try to reason as much as we can. If we show them nothing but spite, they'll show us the same in return. If we show them understanding and try to make clear we aren't like that, games don't do that to people, then we show respect for their grief rather than merely utter empty words of "I feel sorry for their loss" but quickly add that he's an idiot and should shut up the fucking nazi.

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"If we show them nothing but spite, they'll show us the same in return."

I don't want to show them spite, but I also don't want to show them understanding.  What I want us to show is total apathy at worst, completely ignore their existence at best.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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I doubt that's the most effective response. But then I suppose you don't care about your response being effective, either.


-- teh moominz --

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Well you see much like the model car builder any response from us is moot and not necessary.  When somone comes to me and drops something in my lap that I have nothing to do with, just what obligation do I have to respond?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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Other people have their opinions. But I know what both of you are saying. But the golden rule is treat others as you would want to be treated. Aka Respect. But I would at least try & tell the guy to do more research on it, at least play the violent games & then compare them to what is in his life. If he has a bad feeling about it comparing the two then he shouldn't play them or he stands up for what he believes. Which is not playing the games & not wanting to have anymore violent games come out. But he is also one person that this happened to. There are more, I'm sure, but do they feel the same like he does or will they keep playing violent games (in secret)? Whose to know.....but all he has to do is send the troubled people that have problems & want to go to game rehab centers. Will it work? Idk, but will his research & stopping violent games work? Whose to say.....but more than likely probably not.

 

 

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

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^THIS^

The rest of the comments here are devoid of empathy and show no understanding of civics.

-- teh moominz --

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Problem is, people always want an easy way out, it's nice and convenient to pick something you don't like and then blame it on something else in order to try and destroy it, it makes people feel justified in their prejudice, so they don't have to hold a mirror up to themselves and see what they are really doing.

It's kind of depressing, because whilst I have no wish to Godwin, Germany, of all countries, should realise the danger of blaming third parties for their problems, be it Jews, be it Books, be it Games. Now, I'll admit this isn't on the scale of what happened before, not even close, but then, I can't help thinking, when it happened before, did it start of big, or was it a small movement like this, which grew over time as more people sought a scapegoat for a country in recession?

I agree that Video Game companies and science should remain on the ball over violence in games, but that adds a counter-requirement that so do the people who attack them, and the sad fact is they are not even interested in staying on the ball, they don't even know there is a ball, as far as they are concerned, they are entitled to be judge, jury and executioner of the entire genre, regardless of evidence, because their own predudices are more important than fact. And that's where the problems tend to lie, not so much in Video game companies and science not keeping up with information, but far, far more with censors not doing so, because to do so would mean they might have to temper all the righteous belligerence they've built up, and they are often too proud or placed themselves on too high a pedestal to accept that.

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Yeah you took the words out of my mouth.

 

 

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

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I say someone starts a Worst Persons style list and begin showing these people's actions to the public.

 

Yes what happened to the guy was tragic, however when you use it to provoke censorship and jackasses like Simon Parkin use it to blame other people like gamers, then we should draw a line and show these people for what they are.

 

-Veni, vidi, vici, I came, I saw, I conquered.

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Not disrespecting this guys loss. I cant imagine losing a child. But just because your lost something very important to you doesnt mean you dont have to put in reserch into finding who is really responsible.

 

If someone killed my son and i found out that that person liked pudding that doesnt give me the right to attack pudding without actually trying to prove that it was the pudding that caused it.

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But more than that, he deserves a conversation. If gamers cannot afford him that, then in some ways, they really are to blame.

 

How the hell is that us to blame?

But other than that I do pray for him and bring him peace BUT to blame a piece of fiction for a tragedy is stupid.

 

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

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I agree with you on this man. But the thing is us gamers over in the U.S. & around the world that are considered gamers have given people their say & we gamers have had a lot thrown at us & especially in other countries where games are banned b/c of violence. B/c of what happened to him, yeah I'm sorry, but it is not our fault as gamers b/c of what his son did. He should of had his son checked out. & only b/c of what a game has done to him, bah, that's just blaming a game b/c the father doesn't know who else to blame.

 

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

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His child was one of the victims of a shooting, not the shooter.

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Honestly, I think he's just saying that because it sounds poetic.

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Yeah, just like, "life is infinitely precious, so you shouldn't be allowed to choose to do something that would make yours better."

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I disagree with the last, that "...they [gamers] really are to blame", but I absolutely agree that we need dialog, the sort that allows both sides to politely state their case.

 
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