Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

December 10, 2009 -

Left Behind Games plans on bringing its brand of Christian-infused videogames to the Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Xbox 360.

Left Behind is teaming up with LifeLine Studios to develop a title called Bible Adventures for both consoles. The new effort will draw content from Left Behind’s Charlie the Church Mouse series, which is currently available on the PC. Bible Adventures will “educate young children by teaching them academic lessons vital to early childhood development through Bible stories.”

Left Behind CEO Troy Lyndon added:

Parents and kids already love the Charlie Church Mouse Bible Adventure games for the PC. Our strategy is to follow Nintendo's example by including up to 18 story animations and mini-games, providing significant value for our customers. We expect our financial projections to grow exponentially as we transition from a PC game developer to a Wii & Xbox developer.

Left Behind games is also known as Inspired Media Entertainment. In October the company announced a pilot effort to sell its religious-themed PC games in Texas-area Wal-Mart stores.


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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

There's a huge difference between the church ruling the government and saying god in school.  You're right, there is a separation of church and state in this country, but the same people who wrote that into our Constitution are the same ones that prominently displayed the Ten Commandments in the first United States Court.  They're also the ones that had all political figures swear an oath on the Holy Bible to protect the same Constitution that separates the Church from the government in this country.  They're also the same people that put the phrase "In God We Trust" on every piece of currency in this country.

Jackass.  Nice that you can't even spell your own fucking country's name right.  It's spelled BELGIUM.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

In BELGIAN constitution, pauvre nouille.

By the way, you live in a multicultural country with countless beliefs and traditions, forcing YOUR idiotic belief in some invisible, intangible and highly improbable omnipotent being is not what i call freedom, you know the thing that US is very proud of?

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If parents want their children to learn about god, take them to sunday school and church. If thats not enough, there are various churches that have schools such as the catholic schools (which I went to one till the 8th grade). Schools should be spent learning about how read/write english, math and science. I could see around high school having an optional Philosophy class, that covers some of the major religions history but thats about it.  If you want prayer in public school then one will have to accept prayers from other religions who have a kid in that school.  I can see it now starting the day off, you got a pledge of allegiance, then a christian prayer, then a muslim prayer, then a buddhist prayer, then a hindu prayer and then you got annoucements, and finally maybe an hour later you can start class.  Our schools are already bad enough in teaching the basics. Now we should also be teaching them religion(but only christianity of course)?  Course, then we also have to make sure to teach the "Right kind" of christianity.  Baptists likely wouldn't want catholics doing the religious teaching or vice versa.

If I aint mistaken, originally "in God We Trust" wasnt placed on currency till around the civil war.

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

So I would think if you are true "founding fathers were right about everything, etc", then one would take off "in God we Trust" off currency, restore the pledge back to with out God in it (since that was just added back during the cold war)

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Or, starting the day off, before the bell, students pray to whomever the fuck they want, then say the pledge of allegiance (omitting "Before God" if they so chose) and everything is just the way it always has been.  Bet you didn't think about that, did you.

And before you can say that we can already do that, when I was in high school, a friend of mine was sent to juvy for a month for praying on school property.  Before the bell.  Before the Principal even made it to school.  Meanwhile, the Jewish teacher we had was able to have the Star of David on her wall all year.  Now, tell me that's right.

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Both isnt necessary right, waste of juvy space to send some kid for praying and the teacher shouldn't have any religious symbols up.  Teachers should keep it to just teaching, and leave religion to priests, preachers, etc.

Shrug, I thought about it, but hey whats wrong with wanting the true version of how the pledge was before a bunch of idiot politicans thought it would be a great idea to change it?  Sure I really don't care if people want to unorganized prayer before school starts. However, there's always someone who wants to try doing it after school starts.

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"They're also the same people that put the phrase "In God We Trust" on every piece of currency in this country."

 Incorrect again.

In God We Trust is the official motto of the United States and the U.S. state of Florida. The motto first appeared on a United States coin in 1864 during strong Christian sentiment emerging during the Civil War, but In God We Trust did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956

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Erm.. None of what you said is even remotely true. There is nothing illegal about practicing religion. You can still say the pledge and you can still say merry Christmas. The whole ten commandments thing is a matter of Separation of Church and state. Also, our laws aren't necessarily based on the 10 commandments. They are there for the Good of society, not because God wants them there.

Frankly, it sounds like you've been listening to too much Conservative Punditry.

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There are school districts all over this country that have been sued because of one Atheist not wanting their child to say the Pledge of Allegiance.  Also, read a history book.  Our Constitutional laws were drafted using the Ten Commandments as a blueprint.  Finally, businesses have been sued by atheists and muslims alike for their employees saying "Merry Christmas," as this is seen as forcing Christianity on them.

Frankly, it sounds like you've been reading too much Daily KOS.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

There are idiot atheists just like there are idiot christians.  I think its probably a good thing for christians that they have atheists, etc to place the blame for everything.  If there was nothing but the various sects of christianity, there would probably be fighting over being the right "type" of christian. 

 

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Actually, that fighting already happened, in Europe.  The end result was, ultimately, America.

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true...guess it can happen again?

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Are you aware that the original pledge of allegiance did not have the clause "under God" in it?  This was added to the pledge in 1954.  Perhaps people are simply sick of having a culture forced upon them.  Being atheist, as you have demonstrated above, is not the common factor within the equation.  The common factor is "non-Christian".

If you want an argument to emotion from me, how do people of the Jewish faith feel because people do not constantly wish them Happy Hanukkah in a mass-media manner?  I am personally a fan of the expression "Merry Christma-Hanu-Quanzica to you" as it's entertaining.  Also, many atheists still say Merry Christmas and you are making an argument to absolutism with your entire post.

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The difference is that Christians aren't making LAWS making it all but illegal to be atheist in public.  Atheists are making laws making it all but illegal to be Christian in public.  In a Target store I worked at, I once saw a woman freak out on my manager because he wore a cross necklace UNDER HIS SHIRT.  It popped out when he went to help her get something.  Now, who's trying to "force culture" upon whom in that example?  Again I say, if it ain't good for the goose, it ain't good for the gander.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

Those people that are flipping out like that are being idiots and need to learn some tolerance, people are entitled to what they believe in so long as it is not infringing on your personal rights.  Also please point to a LAW that is on the books that makes it illegal to be a Christian in public.  Also, are you aware that some Christian faiths are making it illegal to go against their faith.  Take laws on the topics of abortion and homosexual marriage.

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 You're wrong about that.  I would definitely be saying something.  The reason why people address Christianity more here is that this is a Western-world message board.  If this were a European message board you would see many, many more comments regarding Islam.

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Doubtful, due to the fact that in Europe, there is double the Islamic population per capita than here in the US.  Here, it's all about Political Correctness, meaning Christian, politically conservative white men (ideally ones who work for some big corporation) are akin to Satan, and anyone or anything that opposes them is worthy of praise.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

 Please look into the many, many debates on the topic of religion that come out of the United Kingdom.  You will find that vocal Atheists have just as many things to say about Islam as they do Christianity.  I can point a couple out to you if you would like.

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That's Britain, not the whole of Europe, which you claimed.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

 I picked an example from a country within Europe.  Whilst all of Europe may not have issues, some of it does.

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You're right.  You picked one country in Europe that supported your views, even though your argument was that ALL OF EUROPE shared them.  Therefore, one of your arguments is flawed.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

I revise my statement, please try to dispute upon something other than semantics.

"You're wrong about that.  I would definitely be saying something.  The reason why people address Christianity more here is that this is a Western-world message board.  If this were a U.K. message board you would see many, many more comments regarding Islam." 

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And you are one person in a world that thinks it's okay to attack one religion for things it did hundreds of years ago, but remain quiet about the things another religion is doing today.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

Actually I prefer to live in today.  There are many reasons why I disagree with the standpoints of many religions.  Some of them include the following:

Islam:  The treatment of women, the penalty for apostasy.

Catholicism:  The standpoint on contraception, abortion, homosexual marriage.

Some Christianity-based faiths:  The standpoint on contraception, abortion, homosexual marriage.

Really, what happened in the past shaped what could occur today.  It is important to know your history and I am of the opinion that the book of the faiths of the book (bible/torah/Qur'an) should be read by students in the same way that the works of Shakespeare are taught... as literature.

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 You know its totally possible to like Christian music and still listen to other music.

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And, by extension, like Christian movies as well as regular movies (loved 300 and the new Star Trek, but thought Passion of the Christ was good, too - The Nativity Story was garbage, though).  I'd think extending that yet again to games isn't too much of a stretch.

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Bible Adventures will “educate young children by teaching them academic lessons vital to early childhood development through Bible stories.”

I was raised Catholic, but I remember my childhood clearly enough that I know that my "academic lessons" were not garnered from Bible stories.

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A topic on religon ?

Internet warriors ! Man your soap-box battlestations !

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I truly don't understand how this company is still in business.  They're actually publicly traded (currently worth a whopping $0.014 a share, yeah that's 1.4 CENTS a share) and I remember tham once saying that Left Behind sold so badly that they weren't sure if they could continue operations.  Now they've put out a couple more games on PC and are doing console games.  I can't understand where they're getting their money from.  Unless it is either being funded by churches or maybe directly from the pockets of the Left Behind book authors (who are apparently bazillionaires), I don't know.  Given their track record and inredible niche market, I can't see any private venture capitalist wanting to go anywhere near them.

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you hit it on the head. If i recall correctly, they run thier company as 2 organizations, one public like you said, the other "non profit", so they can take donations. The donations can pay employees who then donate thier time to the public company.

that's just one example, and it's late and i'm going strictly from memory here.

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Here is a picture of all the people interesed on religious games reunited: 

Sad, but truth...

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these games should have decently high rating to keep them out of the hands of children due to the adult (religious) themes

they do it with sex and violence why not religion?

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Because, at least in America, the religious people outnumber atheist snobs like you.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

 Still if some of the classic bible stories had to be rated by the ESRB they'd probably get an M rating. Intense Violence. Blood. Sex. Use of Alcohol. Etc. 

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That's true.

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Actually, they don't.  We all know that the religious communities believe that lying and deceiving are "moral" acts, proven time and time again.  Atheists and Agnostics are too intelligent to waste time with such nonsense and poorly designed polling systems.

We also know that the religious community also approves of falsifying polls by padding them by individuals voting more than once, such as in the unreliable online polls, or covering up false identities by blocking public investigations into the identities of petitioners opposed to Washington state's Referendum 71.

In the end, better to be a snob, whether an Atheist or Non-Religious Agnostic snob, than someone who is sociopathic and mentally delusional enough to use a made up Supreme Being to justify acts of bigotry, hate, and various forms of abuse.  These religious individuals tend to be so cowardly that they can't even take responsibility for their own beliefs and actions.  They have taken "Imaginary Friend" to a whole new level.

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And yet you're using your faith to fuel your snobbishness. "Atheists are better than any religious jerk." You sound just like them, just as holier-than-thou, just as religious. God or no God, religion isn't defined by a deity. And this whole discussion started with an article about Christians supporting the game industry. Isn't that what we want, support? Aren't we tired of bashing? I get bashed out there for being a gamer; I get bashed in here for being Christian. I can't win. I think I liked it better when I was "stupid" for what I believed in. Now I'm a "threat to society and must be eliminated at all cost." What is a Pariah to do?

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It is not faith that fuels my view of religion.  It is the acts of those who follow a religious path and, even more, those in authority, both within the religion and outside of the religion, who use religion to justify their actions.

Religion is fueled by existance of conscious higher power which supposedly directs its followers to have certain beliefs and commit certain acts.

There is no such being in the Atheist view.

There may or may not be one, in the Agnostic view.

There isn't a higher power directing force that gives commands and can be used to justify certain beliefs and/or acts, but there are many mysteries which have yet to be explained, or may never be explained, by science, in the Non-Religious Agnostic view.

As to the issue of support for gaming, see my comment further below.  It was the issue of "snob" from a Non-religious viewpoint and the nature of religion in general that I was taking to task in this particular thread of comments.

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"Religion is fueled by existance of conscious higher power which supposedly directs its followers to have certain beliefs and commit certain acts."

This is where your bias comes out.  No religion believes in a god who controls the people.  All monotheistic religions believe god gave humanity free will.  God can't control someone with free will.  Your "justification" comment could only be described as someone saying something was "God's will."  If you believe in good or bad luck, it's exactly the same thing.

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"No religion believes in a god who controls the people. "

Again, a false claim.  The whole point to claiming the existance of having a Supreme Being is to claim that the beliefs and actions of the individual are the will of their "God".  Yes, they have Free Will.  Free Will to either do the bidding of the "God" or betray the "God's" demands.  The proof is in the existance of "Gods" for simiar religions having different, even contridictory, beliefs or accepting different, even contridictory, acts.

"My 'God' says this act is ok and if you don't follow the acts approved of by my 'God', then you are 'evil'."

"No, My 'God' says this act is ok and you aren't following the commands of the 'One True 'God'', that, of course, being MY 'God'."

"Free Will", when in reference to religion, is actually that the individual believer can adapt and interpret "God's" commands in any fashion they so choose.  Magically, they ALWAYS follow "God's" commands, until they've been led to believe that the act is actually "evil".  Then, suddenly, they have, in fact, not been following "God's" commands (oh, the horror!  Living such a life of Sin!).  The new beliefs they have chosen to follow are, suddenly, what their "God" actually wants them to follow.

An individual only begins to question their "God", especially the existance of their "God", when they start to think logically and intelligently because of a major event, or a series of events, in their life or the lives of others, and they wonder how their "God" can allow such to happen.  That is when REAL Free Will starts to take hold.

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Did you read the whole "free will" comment?  I'm guessing not, because of the fact that it's one of the most talked-about tenants of any monotheistic religion.  That's the whole point of confession in the Catholic church, that all people are responsible for their own actions, and admitting those actions to a higher power can cleanse the soul, so the guilty party could, ideally, make the right decision in how to atone to his or her fellow humans.

Your interpretation of free will, as it relates to religion, just goes to show that your atheism is your faith, and your faith will blind you to anything about opposing faiths, as you so accuse all other religious people of doing.

As for your last point, I'll leave you with a couple of things to consider.  Before being arrested, Jesus questioned God.  That wouldn't make him any more "logical" or "intelligent" in your eyes, would it?  Also, are you more logical or intelligent than Stephen Hawking, one of the greatest scientific minds of our time, also devoutly Catholic?

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

As I've stated many times before, I'm Non-Religious agnostic.

But then, lies and deceit are "moral" acts in the religious community. 

You can cover up the sociopathic, mentally delusional religious beliefs all you want by trying to turn the argument around on me.  But, as I've said, the religious community are the ones setting the creating of what is "good" or "bad" at the feet of their "God".  If it's ok with their "God", then whatever they do is acceptable.  Doesn't matter how horrid the act.  If "God" says it's "good", then it's "good".  But since, in reality, it is the individual follower who is attempting to have their beliefs and actions considered "good", then their "God" will ALWAYS find it "good".  If the individual finds a reason to change their beliefs or change the belief that certain actions were actually "bad", then there is automatically an excuse.  They had "strayed" from what "God" wanted.  So their beliefs can change with the wind, as can their "God's" beliefs.

Hawking is scientific theorist.  Based on the various comments he's made, after researching those comments through Google, it is clear that his comments have been made in discussions on the THEORY of the existance of "God".  Indeed, his Wikipedia article classifies him as AGNOSTIC.  Since he appears to lean more towards the potential of the theory of a Supreme Being having created the universe.  This would make him closer to a Religious-Agnostic.  Whereas, I am a Non-Religious Agnostic.

Additionally, his comments indicate that the Supreme Being he would theorize to have created the universe would most likely have no contact or interest in contact with those living in the universe.  That, if anything, the Supreme Being created the universe, then left the lifeforms to fend for themselves, making their own rules and choices entirely.

If anything, Hawkings theorized Supreme Being would support a TRUE Free Will.  Not one supported by the religious community that a "God" tells its people "You're free to do as you please.  But if you break the laws -I- set forth, there will be consequences."  And, of course, those "laws" that "God" supposedly set forth are based on the beliefs of the individual.

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"If it's ok with their "God", then whatever they do is acceptable.  Doesn't matter how horrid the act."

I doubt you can so much as name one "horrid act" that God (in terms of Christianity) deemed acceptable because there is none. Even if there was, you still have to follow societiy's laws (also known as "man's law" in biblical terms) which "NOBODY" regardless of religion is exempt from (if the two clash, then that is an entirely different matter altogether).

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No horrid acts?  That's pretty sick and twisted considering the number of acts committed by various religious organizations, INCLUDING Christianity, that were done while claiming "God" said it was ok.

From acts of bigotry to abuse (all forms, from verbal and mental to physical and even sexual) to subjegation based on, at the least, race and even gender.

And the whole point to whether "God" exists or not is that, according to most who argue about man's law, is that the "morality" detailed within "man's law" comes from the morality of religion.  We've seen that in recents years as regards to the issue of marriage, religious marriage versus neutral (supposedly) legal marriage. 

We've seen a number of other clashes between "God's" law and "Man's" law, and that pendulum swings many times.  We've seen the jurists of "Man's" law accept "God's" law over "Man's law" many times, as mentioned above.  We've seen the supporters of "God's" law have an effect on "Man's" law (as was the case for a short time in NC where an Anti-Abuse (Anti-Bullying) law was temporarily delayed but eventually passed, though it WAS delayed).  We've even seen how the leaders of "God's" law ignored "Man's" law to protect other religious leaders, such as covering up the various abuses, recent and in times past, from being prosecuted by "Man's law" for their actions.  Apparently those actions were not "horrid" enough in the eyes of those dispensing "God's" law.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

Look.  You're not a Non-Religious Agnostic.  That would imply you were willing to entertain the theory of God's existence.  You're not.  You've made that clearYou are an atheist, plain and simple.  It's okay, there's nothing wrong with that.  Just don't lie to me about what you are.

Also, to your final point, there are always consequences to your actions.  Whether God, Karma or the police get you, you need to atone for your sins one way or another.  It's just a matter of whether or not you're willing to accept the fact that you did wrong.  Apparently, you think that accepting you did something wrong somehow makes you weak.  Being overly apologetic does, but if you say "I did that, and I'm sorry," and actually mean it, that makes you a moral person in my book.

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I have not lied.  Just because I don't accept the "Imaginary Friend"-as-"God" delusion does not necessarily make me Atheist.  Nor did I say there was anything wrong with being Atheist.  It is, in fact, the religious community who wishes to demonize anyone who doesn't follow the sociopathic, mentally delusional path of "My Imaginary Friend says it's ok, and if you don't believe in my Imaginary Friend, then you're evil".  It is more likely that there are Superior Beings, as opposed to Supreme Beings.  As has been said may times, any techology can be viewed by any significally lower techological society as being magical, or even mystical or "God"-like.  This is, of course, as theoretical and speculated as the belief in the Supreme Beings worshipped by the religious community.  Until directly observed, not indirectly through the speculated creations of the Supreme Being for example, there is no way to actually prove the being's existance.  The same is true of Strings.  The same is true of the Big Bang.  We can theorize and speculate, but until witnessed, we cannot PROVE it.

Religion relies solely on faith, without even vague evidence of the existance of "God".  This is far closer to Blind Faith, than straightforward faith.

Even String Theory has a mathematical formula, actually several, to base speculation on.  The same is true of the Big Bang and Evolution, having scientific tests to support the theory, though not the final actual proof.

So, I do lean more to the scientific side, though I don't believe science will, ultimately, explain everything. 

And if a Supreme Being proved to be real, but turned out to actually approve and advocate some of the many horrid, dishonorable, and unethical acts that the followers of religion have believed in and committed, then I'd rather serve in oblivion or Hell or whatever.  Because such a being would be far closer to the demon so many of the religious community condemn others as being.

Of course, such a creatue would explain why Humanity has turned out so horrible.  Because only such an evil creature could have created such a species to turn out this way.

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Alright, you really think that religious people are the only ones who demonize people who don't follow their line of thought?  You're the one who said that religious people are illogical morons.  And you're right, that we cannot prove God exists.  I have given you that many times.  However, you're unwilling to entertain the fact that you can't prove he DOESN'T exist, thereby allowing the possibility that he does.

Also, you keep this illusion that Science and Religion cannot live hand in hand, when they can.  The fact that science cannot prove that God doesn't exist proves it right there, because the rules of science state that it's always possible to garner multiple outcomes until it's proven that only one outcome is possible.

I find your last comment very telling.  You don't believe in a supreme being, but you claim that a supreme being is the only way humans could turn out the way they are.  If you don't believe a supreme being exists, than how could this be?

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

Yeah, it's telling in that I said I was Non-Religious AGNOSTIC.  Which, as already stated, I lean away from the Supreme Being theory, however, it's clear you do not.  In fact, if anything, you're leaning towards religion to the point that you would probably be considered more non-denominational religious than Religious Agnostic.

Frankly, I'd more believe that the Human species was, in fact, created by a technologically superior species as the subjects of an experiment in Unified Diversity.  A failed experiment, mind you. 

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

 Sigh, please fact check before you make statements like the following:

are you more logical or intelligent than Stephen Hawking, one of the greatest scientific minds of our time, also devoutly Catholic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking#Religious_views

If you visit the link above, you will find that Stephen Hawking is a an agnostic.  Here is more proof than the wiki article:  http://www.nndb.com/people/563/000022497/#FN1

Now, as per free will.  The problem I have with the religious view of free will is that, in essence, it is not free will.  The god of the peoples of the book (Christianity/Judaism/Islam) is a vengeful god that will seek retribution against his people if they do not conform to his will.  For instance, if you lie to your parents you go to hell.  This is a commonly preached interpretation of a transgression against the commandment "Honor thy father and mother"  Where does the punishment fit the crime here?  People have no way to argue against this and MUST conform to whichever punishment / repentance task that the religion hands down... and it is equal for every crime.  There are very few mortal sins that cannot be confessed/reconciled away however the fact that a person with free will MUST confess/reconcile for even the tiniest of transgressions or face hell is what makes free will a sham.

In addition, the "atheism is a faith" argument has been countered in many, many public places better than I can personally counter it.  Atheism is a standpoint based upon evidence and does not require faith.  One does not have faith in atheism, they make an observation based upon the available evidence.  In order to believe in religion you must have faith that an unobservable entity that leaves no evidence of its existence in fact exists.  Faith and atheism are mutually exclusive.

Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

Hmm, okay, he's an agnostic, not Catholic.  With all of the references to God in his books, I assumed he was Catholic.  My bad.  That still doesn't change the fact that he believes in God, and, according to whom I was replying, that makes him an illogical moron.

Just because you have free will, you think you can't be punished?  Your argument against religious free will is akin to violating State and Federal Law.  We live in a free country, but there are rules.  Just like in religion.  I have free will, but God will get me.  We also call this karma.  The latter is a more PC phrase, but it's the exact same thing.

And to counter your argument against atheism as faith, there is no evidence AGAINST religion whatsoever, just as there is no evidence FOR it, so your argument is null.  One must have faith that god doesn't exist, because it cannot be proven whether or not God exists.

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