Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

December 10, 2009 -

Left Behind Games plans on bringing its brand of Christian-infused videogames to the Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Xbox 360.

Left Behind is teaming up with LifeLine Studios to develop a title called Bible Adventures for both consoles. The new effort will draw content from Left Behind’s Charlie the Church Mouse series, which is currently available on the PC. Bible Adventures will “educate young children by teaching them academic lessons vital to early childhood development through Bible stories.”

Left Behind CEO Troy Lyndon added:

Parents and kids already love the Charlie Church Mouse Bible Adventure games for the PC. Our strategy is to follow Nintendo's example by including up to 18 story animations and mini-games, providing significant value for our customers. We expect our financial projections to grow exponentially as we transition from a PC game developer to a Wii & Xbox developer.

Left Behind games is also known as Inspired Media Entertainment. In October the company announced a pilot effort to sell its religious-themed PC games in Texas-area Wal-Mart stores.


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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

 Apparently my edit button is broken but here's more.

"Just because you have free will, you think you can't be punished?  Your argument against religious free will is akin to violating State and Federal Law.  We live in a free country, but there are rules.  Just like in religion."  

Again you've missed the point.  As I stated, the punishment doesn't fit the crime.  Hell is not a valid punishment for every transgression just as life in prison is a valid punishment for every crime.  In addition, society's established laws are real and valid whereas religious laws are unprovable and thereby invalid.

"I have free will, but God will get me.  We also call this karma.  The latter is a more PC phrase, but it's the exact same thing"

Actually Karma is founded out of the various philosophies / religious beliefs within early India.  The western interpretation of karma is also superstition and thus belongs in the realm of the supernatural.  Though there are trends that doing good things for others means that people are more likely to do good things for you this is not an absolute statement as it does not necessarily occur.

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I guess you've never heard of "Purgatory" Talouin. Having one or more sins on your slate does NOT equal an instant trip to hell in the afterlife. You are given a chance to cleanse your soul provided that your sins are not so severe that you can't be saved from eternal damnation.

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory

Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

I actually wish you had read the article that you linked.  I'll take some excerpts out for you.

Catholicism:  "Though purgatory is often pictured as a place rather than a process of purification, this idea is not part of the Church's doctrine."  Purgatory is the process of cleansing the soul goes through before it reaches heaven.

Protestantism:  "In general, Protestant churches do not accept the doctrine of purgatory. One of Protestantism's central tenets is sola scriptura ("scripture alone"). The general Protestant view is that the Bible, from which they exclude deuterocanonical books such as 2 Maccabees, contains no overt, explicit discussion of purgatory and therefore it should be rejected as an unbiblical belief."  Rejected by this faith.

Anglican:  "The Anglican Church, rejects the doctrine of purgatory, with the exception of a small minority known as Anglo-Catholics. Article XXII of the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion of the Anglican Church states that "The Romish Doctrine concerning Purgatory…is a fond thing, vainly invented, and grounded upon no warranty of Scripture, but rather repugnant to the Word of God.""  Rejected by this faith.

Lutheranism:  "Martin Luther, founder of the Lutheran Church, believed that it was of no avail to pray for the dead."  Considered a useless idea by this faith.

Methodism:  As Protestantism + "What it specifically repudiates is the concept of purgatory as a place where the souls of those who have died in Christ can be aided by the prayers of the living."  Rejected by this faith.

Church of Latter Day Saints:  Confusing on this topic, their views aren't really in line with the concept.

Judaism:  Accepted as a place sinners spend for 1 year before being released.  Called Gehenna.

Islam:  The place souls go after they are redeemed from hell.

 

Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

Again, you're the one missing the point.  All that is required, according to the bible, to avoid eternal damnation, is to be repentant to God for your sins.  Also, with the exception of, maybe, "Honor thy father," sins are pretty bad.  You know, murder, rape, theft, lying, worshiping other gods and such.  Basically, say you're sorry to God, and all is forgiven.

As for your last point, you again missed my point.  Regardless of where karma came from, there are religious mirrors for it in almost every religion in history.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

But the people whining about it are the ones saying it doesn't exist.  That puts the onus on them.

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Your statement is a logical fallacy.  

A layman example is, Unicorns exist because they have not been proven to not exist.  One can only state that all evidence points to the statement that unicorns do not exist or have not been proven to exist.  You can never find evidence to support lack of existence, you can only find evidence supporting existence.

The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"),  or negative evidence, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.

Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

You say there's evidence that God doesn't exist, yet you show none.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

 Just going to repeat what I said before as your entire argument is based upon a logical fallacy.  You cannot prove a negative statement no matter how much you want to.

The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"),  or negative evidence, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.

I am neither arguing for the existence or non-existence of an unprovable entity.  I am merely stating that it should not be used to fill gaps in our knowledge base without observable, quantifiable evidence to back it up.  If you really need an example, in early Rome, Zeus was stated to be the cause of lightning yet we now know today that this is not true.

Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

You can't prove that "God" didn't tell the priest that his baby was possessed and should microwave his baby, so "God" must have and since "God" is good, the priest is good and, therefore, we should set him free to make new babies.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

Come on, really? Now you're just being absurd. Being unable to prove or disprove the existence of God in no way grants people a free pass to ignore society's laws, and I think you know that. Give up the crap and find an intelligent argument. Right now you're using petty high school Internet atheist garbage, and I don't think anyone is impressed.

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Edit:  Double post error.

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On the contrary.  Many times the argument has been made that even the very US Constitution itself was created by theists.  As such, the laws contained in it, and in the general US legal system, are based on the "morals" of religious teachings.  Even the arguments about religious phrases used in government ("In God We Trust" on government approved currency, the use of religious reference in the pledge of allegence, and even the fight, and at times the winning, of religious use in Federally funding public schools, and more) supports that argument.

As such, if we're going to argue that the rule of "Can't prove it doesn't exist" should outweigh the rule of "Can't prove it does exist", then we would have to take into account ALL claims of individuals who say "'God' told me to/said it was ok".

And since such an argument of "Can't prove it doesn't exist" should rule out, prove that schizophrenics who claim they hear voices AREN'T actually hearing REAL voices.

In fact, PROVE that those mental patients who say they ARE "God" are, in fact, NOT "God".  We have their word.  And we have everyone else's.  Prove they aren't.  Or set them free.  How do you intend to prove it?

It's hardly High School argument.  It's straight forward logic.  You say we should automatically accept that "God" exists because it can't be proven it doesn't.  What makes that argument any more or less logical than people who claim they were told to do something, by "God",  bad, by SOCIETY'S rules, and we should accept it because it can't be proven that it didn't really happen?

Really, you seem to pick and choose what is reality and what isn't.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

But we're not saying that "can't prove it doesn't exist" outrules "can't prove it does;" we're saying that the model for proving or disproving a deity is flawed and therefore moot. I'm not saying God exists because you can't prove he doesn't; I'm saying that you have no way to prove or disprove God's existence because, if he does exist, he is not part of the physical universe and therefore cannot be measured by systems that explain said universe. You're arguing against a point I'm not making and arguing against it absurdly by suggesting that, somehow, an inability to prove that something doesn't NOT exist automatically leads to the release of deranged and/or dangerous persons. You're trying to set up a straw man by equating an inability to disprove God with the unrelated idea that, if we were somehow unable to disprove God (which we currently are and always have been), we're going to be forced to do something dangerous and stupid like releasing mental patients who are an obvious danger to the rest of society. The two are not remotely related, and you're only derailing the discussion by trying to say they are.

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I'm not derailing.  I'm trying to enforce a sense of consistancy.  Something both society in general and the legal system are sorely lacking in.

The idea that some individuals can be deemed insane because they believe they can see or hear things other individuals can't while others can be considered sane because it's a "God" they claim to speak to, yet suddenyly, they are insane if the acts they commit in the name of their "God" are "bad" in the views of some in society, while others consider it totally sane.

There is no consistancy there.  "Man's law" and "God's law" are not compatible as "God's law" can be made up based on the beliefs of the individual making the laws up.  "Man's law" can easily be made logical by simply creating laws on the stance of "The Rights of an individual end where the Rights of another individual begin" (and "entities", such as business, would have to be taken into consideration in some fashion as well).

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

So what are you saying? We've never been able to prove that people are or are not hearing the voice of God, and we've never seemed to have trouble locking them up when they become dangerous. And what's this "Man's law/God's law" business? A crazy person would get arrested on the basis of man's laws no matter what he thought God's laws were. That's consistent. You're disproving your own idea that being unable to prove or disprove God someone leads to the release of the mentally unstable, and I don't understand why you're doing that. What point are you trying to make?

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Here's a more interesting conundrum.

In the relgion I was brought up in, Catholicism. One of the things they taught was that God knows everything. He knows what has been, what is now, and what will be in the future. More specifically, he knows the outcome of every decision that every human will make from the time he created the earth to the time the earth will end.

This brings to mind three questions.

First: What's the point of supposed "Free Will" when your path has already been set forth for you, no matter what decisions you've made. Even if you "Feel" like your in control of your own life, it's false, because your entire life path has been set forth and "seen" by God already. No matter what decision you are faced with, your choice has already been predetermined and the consequences of that choice have already been put in place.

Second: If God, in making the Earth, already knew exactly the amount of evil, death, destruction, pain, and suffering that "his" creations, humans, would endure, that wouldn't exactly make him a "good" force. In fact, his sheer decision to "make" our universe, when faced with the immense amount of evil humanity holds would almost certainly make God an evil, malevolent force in this world, rather than the loving force that Christianity teaches.

Finally: If the above teaching is True, then that means that even before God "created" me, he had already seen and decided that I will be going to hell. Let's face it, IF I happen to be wrong about this whole religion thing, and thats a BIG if, in my opinion, I'm screwed. If God does exist, I will certainly be sent to hell, as punishment for my non-belief. Therefore, since God knew ahead of time that I would be sent to hell, yet he still created me, that would mean that by creating me, he had intentionally condemned me to hell, from the moment I was born, and I didn't have a voice in the matter. If you ask me, condemning people to hell, even before they are created doesn't sound like a kind God to me.

I REFUSE to believe that even IF this type of God exists, that he is a God worth worshiping and praising for his love, benevolence, and kindness. He clearly isn't a "Good" force, if what they taught me in church is true.

This is only one, of many, many reasons that I don't believe in God. His very existance is a non sequitur. He cannot exist exactly as he is described in Christian Teachings, because there are too many logical conflicts with how he is described.

 

 

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Just because God knows what you'll do, doesn't mean he makes you do it.  You know of the "self-fulfilling prophecy?"  It's the same thing; just because the future is known, do we have the ability to prevent it, or by attempting to prevent it, do we cause it?

Second, to bring balance is not evil.  There cannot be good without evil, so, in order to create anything good, a sufficient amount of evil must be created to balance it.  Just as there is a Heaven in scripture, there's a Hell.  Can't have one without the other.  Also, to kind of destroy your first point, God doesn't know what will happen in everyone's future in the first place.  If he did, he would have cast Lucifer to Hell before he started a war.

Third, if God didn't allow suffering, people couldn't become strong and wise.  Also, God didn't create you, your parents did.  God, according to Christianity, created the Universe, animals, plants and two people.

Also, your final point proves a lot.  You just don't like Christianity.  I can understand that, because, apparently, you had some shitty Christians feeding you false information.  If that's why you hate Christianity so much, maybe ACTUALLY READING THE BIBLE might help you.  Because you'd find out that Christians don't have to attend church.  As long as they love God and Jesus and try to live an honorable life, that's all the Bible asks of us.  Anyone else (pretty much all churches) that says anything different is telling you the wrong thing.  That's why I'm agnostic.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

"Just because God knows what you'll do, doesn't mean he makes you do it.  You know of the "self-fulfilling prophecy?"  It's the same thing; just because the future is known, do we have the ability to prevent it, or by attempting to prevent it, do we cause it?"

The fallicy here is that we cannot change it, no matter what. He KNOWS the future, according to that teaching. Therefore, you, as a person, have ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on it. This completely negates your argument of "Free Will." It may seem like we have it, but if that teaching is correct, then we don't, because we have no way of affecting our future.

" Also, to kind of destroy your first point, God doesn't know what will happen in everyone's future in the first place.  If he did, he would have cast Lucifer to Hell before he started a war."

"God, according to Christianity, created the Universe, animals, plants and two people."

That may be what you believe, but it wasn't what my church taught.

" I can understand that, because, apparently, you had some shitty Christians feeding you false information.  If that's why you hate Christianity so much, maybe ACTUALLY READING THE BIBLE might help you."

I have read the bible. In fact, I was forced to read it, study it, and do "homework" on it. I don't have an INTRICATE understanding of the bible, but those few years in elementary school, where I was forced to study it, pretty much gave me the jist of it all.

That being said, your comments support a point I usually bring up in religious debates. Who are you to decide what interpretation of the bible is the "Correct" one. I was taught what I was taught because it was my church's interpretation. The Dogma of MY church said what they taught was the one, truly correct interpretation. You are telling me the same about yours, and you both can't be right. The point here is that to imply that my church's interpretation is wrong is to cast doubt on ALL interpretations. If one can be false, why can't all be false? 

The same concept applies to religions. Christians in all forms resoundly reject any other forms of religion, whether it be a different intepretation of Christianity, or a different religion altogether, like Bhuddism or Islam. Who are you to say that your god is the only true god, and all other gods are fake? Who are they to say that thier Gods are the only true Gods and that your god is fake? Especially when there is no evidence to support either of your faiths. To cast doubt on one religion is to cast doubt on them all.

That is yet another reason why I've come to the conclusion that there is no god. Put simply, there are so many competing theories and interpretations, even among strictly monotheistic religions, that being part of the "Right" one is strictly pure chance.

The vast majority of individuals grow up practicing the religion thier parents practiced, and never doubt that thiers is right. What happens if thiers is wrong? What happens if those who grow up in Islamic countries and practise Islam turn out to be right, and that all non-muslims will be sent to whatever hell Islam believes in? How would you feel, if you were punished because you just happened to learn the "wrong" religion in life?

I can't possibly believe that a Christian God, given what everybody seems to say about him, would do the same to other religions. He won't give access to heaven to non-believers, so you are punished, either banished to hell, or have spend eternity in limbo, just because you didn't get lucky enough in the cosmic roll of the dice to grow up in the right religion. Again, I say, this behavior certainly doesn't match the "Loving" description you read about in the bible, which further proves my point that you can't reconcile the differences between the God in the bible and the percieved "God" in real life. Put simply, he doesn't exist.

 

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I stopped reading when you admit you don't understand the Bible.  It explains everything.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

Since any religious text can, and has, been interpreted and/or translated to suit the needs of the individual who is doing the interpretation and/or translation, "understanding" is, in fact, not possible.  Even the authors themselves may have had entirely different views on what was actually written.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

Not the point. We're the same. Christian and Atheist. The way we fight, the way we argue over what's more "logical" or ethical"...

Growing up Christian in an Atheistic society, I've never judged or condemned, just defended. All I've ever wanted is to get along.

My best friend feels like you do, Nightwng. He's not Atheist, but he feels the same way toward Christians as you do. I'm a hardcore Christian. And yet, we love each other like brothers. Best of friends.

If we can do it, anyone can do it.

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The problem is, at least as it relates to Nightwing, he'd have to WANT to try and make peace.  Instead, he, like the others on here who hate Christianity, are more concerned with "winning," even though there really isn't a fight in the first place.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

This isn't about "winning".  This is about The Truth, The WHOLE Truth, And Nothing But The Truth.

The Truth is, claiming that a Supreme Being exists is no different than String Theory.  The "Prove me wrong" argument is just a smoke screen.

Making, based on current evidence, the belief in a, and justification in following the laws of,  Supreme Being nothing more than "My imaginary friend said it was ok, and since you can't prove my imaginary friend doesn't exist, then I can say what I believe and do is ok and that's all the justification I need."

Religious texts, whether they are religious laws or parables, were written by individuals who wanted to mold society a certain way.  No factual evidence exists that any of the religious texts originated anywhere other than from the imagination of the writers, translators, and interpreters of the religious text.  No factual evidence can be provided that anything written, even the beliefs expressed within the documents, came from any form of Supreme Being.  Any attempt to do so using current technology is merely speculation, theory, and opinion.

Again, this isn't about "winning" the argument.  Merely sweeping away the smoke screens and misinformation spread by the religious community who believe that it is "moral" to lie to and deceive others.

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Well, you can start by sweeping away the smokescreens of your own argument, because just as you say the "prove me wrong" argument is invalid, you're using it in every post you make.  To deny a Supreme being exists, even with current techology, is merely speculation, theory and opinion.

That's why religious people view Atheism as a religion; because you make it out to be one.  Your viewpoint can't be proven through science, just like regular religion, and you just change the wording of the same arguments that religious people use.  That's why, even though I'm an Agnostic, I have a lot more respect for religious people versus Atheists, because religious people don't believe that they are the highest power in the universe.  Atheists do.

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That makes absolutely no intelligent sense whatsoever.  Are you sure you aren't a Scientologist?

Seriously, you've just, yet again, played the "Prove me wrong" nonsensical card.

It is even idiotic to claim that Atheists believe themselves the highest power in the universe.  They merely bluntly state that you have not proven the existance of your "imaginary Friend".  And the religious community hasn't. 

Now, Atheists may deny that there are mysteries in the universe.  That EVERYTHING can be explained by science.  An Agnostic states that there are mysteries that cannot be explained, no matter how much science is applied.  If they are like myself, a Non-Religious Agnostic, then they will deny the existance of a Supreme Being to fill in those gaps of mysteries.  A Religious Agnostic may lean more towards believing that SOME SORT of Supreme Being may the source of those mysteries.

However, in the end, the religious community has failed to do anything other than justify their actions and beliefs by claiming the source to be their "Imaginary Friend".

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

How is me pointing out that you can't use the "Prove God exists" comment the same as saying "Prove God doesn't exist?"  That's what you just did.

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The onus of proof is on the individual/group attempting to state their case.  In addition, "Prove god doesn't exist" is invalid as a hypothesis as you cannot prove a negative.

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You're starting from the assumption that a divine being has to be something quantifiable or measurable by science, and that frankly isn't an assumption anyone can prove. It's rather hard to prove or disprove something that doesn't fit into the model you're attempting to utilize.

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That's my point.  I was just trying to see if he'd point it out.

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 Your point is still invalid as this is the model that IS accepted for reality.  Until a better one can provide enough evidence to gain acceptance you need to play by its rules if you want to argue in a logical or scientific manner.

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By your argument, we MUST set free every mental patient who claims to hear/speak to "God".

Every mental patient that killed someone because "God" told them that their victim was possessed.

That every individual who claims that their "God" told them it was ok to abuse others, whether family, friends, others under their care (such as children under the care of teachers), or even strangers, should be considered innocent of any crime because "God" must be presumed real and we can't violate THEIR Rights to believe in the "God" they want to believe in.

No, really, you want us to fall on the presumption that "God" exists because it can't be proven that it doesn't exist.  Fine.  All one should have to do is say "'God' said it was ok and you can't prove it didn't, so I didn't do anything wrong!", and they are set free to do whatever they please.

YOU wanted to take this path.  So YOU have to accept the consequences.  So if someone, anyone, does harm to you in any way, shape, or form, and says "ood" told them it was ok, don't demand "justice", whether having the individual arrested or put into a mental facility, because you can't PROVE "God" DIDN'T say tell them it was ok to do what they did.

After all, you can't PROVE whose "God" is the one true "God" and whose "God's" beliefs are the correct one.  You can only ASSUME what "God" wants.  You can only speculate.  You can only read other people's interpretations and translations. 

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

Where do you get this garbage from? My argument in no way suggests that we have to set mental patients free or that one can use God as a free pass to do whatever he or she wants. I'm merely saying that arguing the existence of God is pointless because humans don't have a model for understanding and quanitifying deities. You're the one adding all these ridiculous and untrue ideas to it.

Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

I was responding to Jedi and his continued "Prove me wrong" argument.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

 Pleas to emotion really are not arguments, especially when it comes to arguing the semantics.

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Not that, the absurd idea that being unable to disprove God automatically leads to the release of the mentally unstable. You have as much logic behind that idea as someone saying that disproving God automatically gives people a free pass because there's no supreme authority. There's the state and the state's laws, and they'll still apply to people whether or not God's existence can be proven or disproven. Your tangent is pointless and prove nothing in either direction.

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I hear you man.  As a Catholic and a Gamer, I get it from both sides.  The extreme Christian jackasses (mostly baptist and born agains) who say that I can't dance, drink, view movies or play games, and in here I get this elitist atheist crap.

But then I realize that I live in a large house with a hot wife, a good son, and nearly everything I could want, and I don't care too much what they say about my religion OR my gaming.

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I'll agree that many atheists are indeed eliteist jackasses, but it pales compared to the level of judgemental, moral eleitism American Christians expouse.  Even worse, their hatred of gays, sexuality, science (still living in the 1000's), and basic free will (its called separation of Church and State) makes them even worse.

You people can have all the Left Behind games you want, just keep your Middle-Age ways to yourselves and not try to impose them on everyone else. 

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Even worse, their hatred of gays, sexuality, science (still living in the 1000's), and basic free will (its called separation of Church and State) makes them even worse.

Really? Come on. Stop being ridiculous and basing your views of everyone on the ultra-crazy evangelical groups.

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If the Religious right didn't hate gays, why is it that gays don't yet have equal rights?

It certainly isn't because all Christians have helped the matter..

It may not be as vocal, but a hatred of gays is present in nearly all forms of Christianity, especially the major sects, like Catholocism.

So, in respnse, how about you stop being rediculous and defending hateful persecutors when they exist?

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Wow, way to be a paragon of tolerance...

Yes, gays don't have equal rights yet, and yes, Christians do share in the blame. I agree that Christians need to stop trying to put their beliefs into legislation. However, please stop implying that all Christians hate gays. For one, some denominations are openly accepting of gays and even allow them to be church officials or pastors. Also, you're confusing hatred with disapproval. Many Christian groups disapprove of the homosexual lifestyle, but very few of them would advocate hating homosexuals. If members of a Christian group are hating homosexuals, they're doing it of their own accord and not because it's biblically advocated.

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"However, please stop implying that all Christians hate gays. For one, some denominations are openly accepting of gays and even allow them to be church officials or pastors"

I never said that "ALL" Christians hate gays.. In fact, let me get my original quote.

"It may not be as vocal, but a hatred of gays is present in nearly all forms of Christianity, especially the major sects, like Catholocism."

"NEARLY ALL" is what I said. I left room to acknowledge the more accepting venues.

That being said, disapproval is hatred, in my book. If you disapprove enough to restrict equal rights, and not bat an eye when it's still legal in a significant number of states to fire someone just because they happen to be gay, it's hatred. I don't care if it's outward hatred, or even if you won't acknowledge it. That disapproval is hatred, clear as day. The same goes for the people who don't care. They may not want to get involved, or they may very well just not give a crap what happens to the Gay community, I don't care. That's a form of hatred as well.

ANYONE who doesn't support equal rights for EVERYBODY, regardless of sexual preference, is guilty of at least a little bit of hatred. Some are guilty of more than others, but the point still stands.

Just because you don't actively fight against or perpetrate violence against someone, doesn't mean you don't hate them. Standing idly by while injustice is being perpetrated is hatred enough.

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if you want to talk numbers dont just bring up the number of christians and atheists lets see more detail please like for example

other religions , agnostics , and of course christians who actually respect other beliefs

atheists alone are at 18% and growing throw in those others who are likely in with us on this and Im fairly sure your numbers wont be so clearcut.

and as the older generations die off its set to explode in our favor

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INCORRECT!

Christians (not segregated by denomination) have a majority in this country of about 65%, and about 60 percent worldwide.  Also, this includes your "christians who respect other beliefs," because, believe it or not, that's a vast majority of Christians.  Now, add in Jews and Muslims and you have almost 80% of the population of America, and about 90% of the world population.

I doubt that this "Atheist Revolution" you see coming is going to happen any time soon.

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Not for long! "no religion" as a survey answer has grown to 18%, atheists are now the largest minority in the united states.

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Yeah, and Christans still make up about 65%.  You got a long way to go.

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While only 4% go to church. Just remember that next time you accuse us of oppression. Which would you rather have: Christians making and praising games, or Christians bashing games? We're all on the same team, so why can't we all just get along?

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who accused who of oppression? what?

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Zerodash specifically accuses Christians, and Nightwing is coming pretty close.

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Re: Christian Game Company Not Leaving Xbox or Wii Behind

I'm kind of insulted that I didn't make the list of Top Religion Bashers.. :(

:P

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You didn't do anything too exorbitant on this board that I saw...

Besides, you know how much I like insulting you;P

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MechaTama31I mean, of the groups being bullied here, which of the two would you refer to collectively as "nerds"?10/19/2014 - 11:30pm
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