Game Writer in Border Dispute

December 14, 2009 -

Science Fiction author Peter Watts (pictured), whose work has also appeared in videogames, was detained at the U.S./Canadian border last week after a dispute with U.S. Customs officers.

The Toronto-based author was returning to Canada, reports the Times Herald, using the Blue Water Bridge crossing when he was apparently selected for a random inspection.

This is where the story takes two different tangents depending on which side is offering the account.

Watts asserts that as the inspection began, he exited the car to ask officers what was going on. He claims they asked him to return to the car, at which point he asked them again what they were doing. Watts said that this act then resulted in him being assaulted, punched in the face, pepper-sprayed and thrown in jail for the night on charges of assaulting a customs officer.

Custom officials claim that Watts was “aggressive” from the beginning and refused to get back in his car. At this point Watts was about to be handcuffed, but resisted arrest said officials, and tried to choke an officer. This is when officers used pepper-spray.

Watts was arraigned last Wednesday, December 9, and released on $5,000 bond. He claims his computer was seized and he was released across the border in shirtsleeves.

On his blog, Watts categorically denies choking an officer and says he “looks forward” to seeing security camera footage of the incident. He is due back in court on December 22 for a preliminary injunction. If convicted, Watts faces up to two years in jail and/or a $2,000 fine.

BoingBoing’s Cory Doctrow has jumped to Watts' defense, donating $1,000 to his legal defense.

Watts contributed to Relic Entertainment’s Homeworld 2 and also served as a writer and art consultant for Crytek on the upcoming Crysis 2.


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Re: Game Writer in Border Dispute

Well I guess since we have entered a cluster-f*** up above....

I'll repeat my point I placed up in that mess.

Yes, he should have known better. As a Canadian myself, I think it should be common sense to sit my butt down and shut up when any law enforcement walk up to my car. Yet there is nothing stated in driving manuals stating that it is a requirement (they do suggest to do what the officer says). As I recall during my many cross border trips, this is identical. Just a suggestion, not a regulation. When ever someone has been pulled over, I expect them to immediately ask "What seems to be the problem officer?" I have, on occasion, when pulled over get up and walk around (mostly because my legs are stiff). Here in Canada, they don't bat an eye unless you are threatening and swearing at them...

I have been through Washington, Oregon, Wisconsin, Texas, California, etc etc....I have been pulled over twice (once in Texas, once in Illinois. Hell I even got out of the car, because my legs were stiff. Also I talked to the officer and requested to know why I was pulled over (Canadian license plates, thought they were fake :P) ...no one questionned it, no one cared. Why does this man get the shaft? Just because he got out and questionned why the hell they were doing, he gets roughed up?

In the end, we can always argue that law enforcement can do so if they feel they are endangered. We can take this authors word for this apparent 'assault'. In the end, we will have to wait until the security cam footage verifies either party and their story.

In the meantime, I will declare this a shitty situation and I feel sorry for all that got involved.

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Basically, yeah... It's common fucking sense that you STAY IN YOUR VEHICLE when being stopped unless asked to step out of it. I guess it's not surprising so many idiots don't get that.


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Yeah, what's up with the discussion in this topic? It's not religion, and it's not politics; there's absolutely no reason for it to be exploding/devolving like this.

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I'm shocked at some and, as I consider myself a member of this community, disgusted by some of the ad hominem attacks throughout this page. Calling someone a moron or whining that their argument is retarded and so on is infantile and not what I expect from people on this site.

Question someone's logic or call them out on their claims, but don't make petty insults - to do so is just making yourself look bad, no matter your point.

As for why the topic is exploding, it arguably seems to be a classic split between people who highly respect police authorities (Or customs in this instance) and those who openly question it. Or maybe there is tension between certain people or groups on here, that would explain the name-calling.

Let's just wait for the video footage to turn up and see what really happened - that is, provided it hasn't gone missing... :)

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I agree :\

I am not going to attack peeps for their opinion. Usually we are better than this. Usually.

However yesssss, let us wait for the footage to tell us who is a liar and who is not :D

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We're better about this unless it's about religion or sometimes politics. Then things generally devolve into uninformed crap and/or name calling.

But yeah, there's really not point in arguing about it until the footage is out.

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I didn't think much of Homeworld 2, but that doesn't mean the guy deserves all this.

If there is a car crossing the border with Stephanie Meyers and Alan Dean Foster, that's another matter entirely. 

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I think the assumption that everyone automatically knows border-search protocol has been taken a little too far here. I'll wait to see the Videos like everyone else, but whilst refusing to get back in the car was silly, it wasn't in a 'danger' situation, such as a high-crime or high-risk area, and the person was leaving, not arriving, so it all depends on what really happened, if he was arrested purely for what appears to be a case of not understanding what was going on and trying to get clarification, then the officers got carried away, if he actually tried to grab or 'choke' one of the officers (something I doubt someone of his physique and mentality would be likely to do in honesty) then he will get what is coming to him.

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That's what I'm saying.  Just not the doubting he'd do it part.

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Another article on the matter here from a blog specifically concerning border control issues:

https://www.checkpointusa.org/blog/index.php/2009/12/12/p198#more198

It should also be noted, at this point, that a) no one is legally required to passively submit to a search in this country, on the border or off it, and, in fact, you can REFUSE to submit to a search by any police authority and b) the border officers could have avoided this entire thing by, y'know, explaining the situation when Dr. Watts asked why he was being pulled over -- but I suppose they prioritized authoritarian dick-waving over not causing yet another fucking embarrassing international brouhaha over American police brutality. From the post linked above, this is also interesting:

What's interesting to note here, assuming the reports I've read are accurate, is that the federal agents turned him over to local law enforcement. This is suspicious because federal agents are not considered state police officers in most circumstances and state laws governing the alleged assault of a police officer don't normally cover federal agents. This is especially true given the fact that there are federal laws making it a crime to assault a federal agent.

Why then was Mr. Watts not arrested and charged federally if he did indeed physically assault a federal agent? Does anyone really think the federal government wouldn't jump at the opportunity to prosecute someone who had clearly assaulted one of its own in the performance of his or her duties?

My guess is that the federal agents involved in the beat-down know that whatever Mr. Watts did, it didn't rise to the level of assault. They probably also know that if they tried to charge him with assault themselves, the federal prosecutor would either refuse to take the case or a federal judge would laugh it out of federal district court. A federal prosecution would also place a much brighter light on their own actions during the incident, a light that could have a detrimental effect on their own careers if it wasn't directed at just the right angle.

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Yeah, because that blog is CLEARLY level-headed and unbiased, and the writer was OBVIOUSLY witness to the goings-on.  What the person writing this blog forgets to mention, after posting you have the right to deny any search of your person or vehicle, is that you will then be arrested for non-compliance.  This is very similar to the fact that, if you refuse to submit to a breathalyzer, you're still going to jail for intoxication.

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If these were federal agents (as opposed to state cops), which I beleive the border patrol is, then no, non-compliance is not grounds for arrest, at least not legally.  They can deny someone entry to the country for refusing a search, but they can not force a search on US soil without probable cause.

One of the problems with border patrol agents is they tend to be less trained then other federal police officers and are often not even aware themselves what they can and can not do.  And most people who end up on the wrong side of an illegal search simply do not bother fighting it because fighting crooked cops, esp federal agents, is misserable.

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Noncompliance isn't what he was arrested for.  Assaulting a federal agent is.  I'm pretty sure they can arrest someone for that.

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Yet there is no evidence that he did assualt the police officer, at least not at this time.  The fact that he seems to be openly calling for the video records of the incident to prove his case tips my favor to his side.

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However, there is the possibility that whatever video evidence there is didn't show anything to confirm either side's story.

Playing devil's advocate here, there's the possibility that he did assault a police officer and the video didn't show that - just him getting his butt kicked.  Much like the Rodney King video showed him getting his ass kicked, but didn't show the 100 mph police chase that eventually went through a residential area, all to try to avoid a DUI.

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Why the hell would you get out of your car?  What kind of retard does that?  What do you think cops would do if, when they pull you over for speeding, you got out of the car?

If he got out of his car and refused to return to it, then I say he brought a lot of this on himself.

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So you should never question authority?  Inspections usually happen when you ENTER a country, not when you leave it.  You just can't give cart blanche to anyone in a uniform.

Is it okay when Walmart wants to inspect your receipt when you just walked 10 steps from the cashier?  If cops show up at your door without a warrant but want to search your home, do you say okay?

There are limits.  We'll see what really happened though thanks to the cameras.  Watts may be eating crow but I have my doubts at this point.

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You shouldn't make aggressive movements towards authority, should you dumbass?  When a cop pulls you over and asks for your license and insurance, you don't get out of the car after handing it to him and refuse to get back in the car, do you?  What do you think the police officer thinks when you do that?  Here's a hint: they wonder why you're getting out of the car, and they consider it an aggressive act, and many will begin to suspect you're preparing to do them harm or flee the scene.  You NEVER get out of your car when being questioned by LEO's. 

It is absolutely okay for Walmart to inspect your receipt, especially if you just set off the detectors.  On the other hands, you don't have to allow police to search your home without a warrant, although if you want to allow them to, you can.  However, NEITHER OF THESE SITUATIONS IS SIMILAR, and you're an idiot for attempting such a comparison.

The point is, Watts was acting in an aggressive manner, and he very likely brought this on himself.

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'Chief Ron Smith, spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, said today that Watts was crossing into Canada when he was selected at random for an inspection after paying the bridge toll.

 

Customs periodically stops Canada-bound vehicles and inspects them before they cross into Ontario, Smith said. '

So, Customs occasionally randomly stops Canada bound vehicles for a random inspection?  Wow.  It looks like everything you said was wrong.

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My issue here is the use of the phrase "agressive actions". Define 'Aggressive'. Getting out of his car might have been a poor choice, but that's really only in light of the fact that customs officials tend to have the least oversight and accountability of any legal agents. They're given extrodinary judicial powers compared to other law enforcement.

There's a lot of peculiar inconsistancies in this overall story. And maybe this guy did something really stupid and is calling a bluff on security footage verifying HIS story, but I think that's a long shot. The reality seems to be that where border guards should have responded: "This is a random inspection sir, please get back in your car so we can complete it quickly", they instead beat the crap out of him and took his stuff.

If they didn't have badges, they'd be highwaymen.

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It sounds like the Customs officers did just that, and Watts, playing the part of a jackass, decided to not comply.  
He should never have gotten out of his car.  Doing so is absolutely an aggressive action; it's often the precursor of an assault on the officer (which is what they claimed happened).  An individual stopped by officers has only one motive for getting out of the car; confronting the officer(s).  That is an aggressive act, whether you think so or not.

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Where again is it posted (sign, website, whatever) that you are not supposed to get out of your car? Oh right... its not. It's one of those things cops want you to do and you are only supposed to learn this "word of mouth" becuase I sure can't find any marketing material stating what you claim is axiomatic.

Austin here is clearly a fan of cops, or a cop himself, and its obvious by his use of jargon such as (LEO = Local Enforcement Officer) and other uses of cop jargon shows him to be a "fan."

Heres a clue. Some of us don't know these unspoken rules and will challenge unchecked authority when confronted with it. You don't know what happened, no one will until the video is released, so please, stop coming to the defense of the police when you don't know if they actually violated Mr. Watts rights.

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Actually, it's written down that you are not to get out of your car unless instructed to do so when pulled over by a police officer in many state's drivers manuals; you know, that thing that nearly everyone has to have in order to pass the written test to get an operator's license for a car?  So, it doesn't seem to be axiomatic, does it jackass?  Go to your state's BMV website, find the driver's manual, and look for anything that sounds like 'Routine Traffic Stops by Law Enforcement'.  Most of these sections make mention that while it is stressful to be stopped, for Law Enforcement it is dangerous, and they consider it very serious.  It often goes on to state, as I mentioned, that you should not get out of the car unless instructed to. 

Oh, man.  Did that just ruin your retarded argument?  Well shit.

You are way off base on the suggestion that I'm either a cop or a fan of cops.  Indeed, both are wrong.  But I really enjoy that you believe that my use of the phrase 'LEO' marks me as a fan.  Good work there, detective dipshit.

What's your excuse for not knowing the written rules?  Stupidity?  Illiteracy?  Or maybe you just don't have a driver's license?  Either way, you're completely wrong.

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So which part of "The Toronto-based author" gave you the stupid assumption he has a U.S. driver manual or U.S. operators licence?

Oh, man. Did that just ruin your retarded assertion? Well shit.

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Maybe it had to do with the fact that you're supposed to obey the driving laws for where you're driving, not where you got your license.  Again, in America, you don't get out of your car unless you're told to by the cop.  "I didn't know it was the law" is not a valid defense anywhere.

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Again, in America, you don't get out of your car unless you're told to by the cop.  "I didn't know it was the law" is not a valid defense anywhere.

Nowhere in this thread to this point, have I seen anyone off proof that "don't get out of the car unless the cop says to" is the law. It's a good idea to follow to avoid triggering a cop's paranoia, but it is not a legal requirement.

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It actually is legal in a lot of places - Minnesota, Wisconsin, North and South Dakota, among others for sure.  Either way, yelling at a police officer when he or she is doing their job is neither legal anywhere that I know about, or a way to not get pepper sprayed, beaten and arrested.  Again, neither is the allegation that he choked a police officer.

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However, Austin was trying to assert he should have known (regardless of it's validity as a defence) because it is included in manuals he wouldn't have had, and needed to be known before getting a U.S. licence he wouldn't have had to get.

And has been pointed out above "Do not get out of the car" is NOT a law, even the manuals present it as a "smart idea" rather than law.

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And the reason why it's a "smart idea?"  You may end up getting your ass kicked.  That's the gist of what AL is trying to say.

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That is still besides my point.

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But I highlighted the point you clearly oppose, that law enforcement will generally see you as a threat for getting out of your car and yelling at a police officer, and that, regardless of what happened, he's an idiot for doing that.

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I oppose it do I? Putting words in my mouth don't make it so fuckwit.

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You're the one saying that it's a bad argument to say he should have stayed in his car because it isn't "legally required."

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If he's American, I'll guess he's 13 and thinks that his parents never told him he couldn't do anything.

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Damn you, I was going to edit that and add a bit more.

I was going to say that if you take a school-sponsored driver's program, they tell you the same thing, and that nearly every driving school I've ever heard of tells its students the exact same information.

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So now you think were all 15 and fresh out of drivers ed?

Whatever... I just checked my daughters drivers ed book from Texas. Its not in there. It does however say to stay in your car to avoid being hit by another car. But nothing about scaring the police with your "aggressive exiting" of cars. (LOL I can't even type that without laughing.)

The fact alone that you side with the border patrol without knowing the truth says all I need to say. Guilty until proven innocent is it? I hope you feel the pain of that someday Austin. I certainly hope you try to get out of jury duty as much as possible as you are unfit to judge others.

side note: As I was typing this my colleague just walked up and we called her husband who is a cop. He claims that in Texas the proper procedure is if the police are speaking to you from their car speaker and they actually fear you are violent that it is the cops who will not approach your car until you comply with the instructions to get out of your car and walk to the back of the car and put your hands behind your back so you may be cuffed. But he says (in texas) there are no rules for exiting your vehicle aggressively. (LOL) He said if there was, there would be a ticket (or misdemeanor class) for it, there isn't. He did mention that there are safety protocol rules for gang related areas of town, but again, were not talking about a violent person here. Were talking about a book author.

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"Guilty until proven innocent is it?"

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#innocent

Actually, no.  That is never mentioned in the US Constituion.  However, the system presumes innocence, which simply boils down to the fact that even very obviously guilty people still are brought to trial.

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I'm going to make this very, very clear. Austin Lewis and I are almost complete polar opposites. We rarely, if EVER, agree on anything.

That being said, I agree with Austin_Lewis. It's pretty much common sense if you are dealing with ANY individuals of authority, you ALWAYS show respect, and you NEVER get confrontational. In regards to the car, Austin_Lewis is also 100% right. When getting pulled over or investigated, you shouldn't do ANYTHING unless the LEO (LAW Enforcement Officer.. "Local Enforcement"?? WTF?) directs you to do it. Getting out of your car is a HUGE no-no, and it will set off red flags in the mind of any Officer. On top of that, ignoring orders to get back into the car, and continuing to confront the Officer will almost always result in you being handcuffed, and perhaps even worse.

One thing that people here don't seem to realize is that if you don't give a LEO a reason to be angry with you, you will almost NEVER be harrassed or assaulted. If there's one thing that happens in nearly ALL situations where LEOs are accused of "Abuse" or "Excessive Force," its that the supposed "victim" wasn't exactly Mother Theresa. They almost ALWAYS gave the Officers a reason to respond the way they did, whether that be belligerence, aggression, or resistance.

Don't get me wrong, there ARE times where LEOs will abuse or assault a victim with little or no provocation, but the reality is that that situation is MUCH less likely than a situation in which the Officer had a reason to react the way he did.

Frankly, I'm not exactly an Authoritarian personality, and I'm known to break a few laws here and there, but when it comes to dealing with Police or other Authoritarian figures, you absolutely have to do your best NOT to give them reasons to get angry at you.

I'd be willing to bet that if Watts had sat in his car, spoken respectfully, and obeyed every instruction the Border Agents had given him quickly and quietly, he'd probably have been allowed to drive home and this story would have never happened.

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In conclusion, you should cower in fear from anyone with a badge. Otherwise they are within their rights to brutalize you and charge you with false crimes. Remember, they are here to keep your punk ass in line.

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Again, you don't know if the charges are false.

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Not what I was going for, there..

My point was that if you don't give them a reason to get pissed at you in the first place, you have a 99.999% chance of living your life without a negative conflict with police.

If you DO want to confront them, do so in a respectful way. As much as I hate to admit it, in a situation dealing with someone of authority, you ALWAYS will have less power than the Authority does.

Yes, there are times where Officers of the Law will act poorly. They are only human. However, instances like this are rare, and instances where the victim is completely innocent are even rarer. More commonly, you have belligerant, anti-authority individuals acting agressively, provoking the officers and putting them at risk, then accusing the Officers of "excessive force" when they finally get thier asses whupped because of thier idiotic behavior.

Statistically speaking, Watts was probably in the wrong.

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We're talking about relative levels of authority here though. You say "don't give them a reason", but the stereotyped police motto is "To serve and protect". They shouldn't be able to justify kicking someone ass because they were talking out of turn. Even if some guy was up in their face and yelling at them, that shouldn't be enough reason for police to get violent. If he'd pulled a gun or made a swing, that's a different story, but these border guards should be well enough trained to deal with someone who's standing at his car without having to resort to pepper spray and fisticuffs.

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"Even if some guy was up in their face and yelling at them, that shouldn't be enough reason for police to get violent."

I disagree, to a point. The police, while "Protecting and Serving" aren't going to put themselves in a situation where they don't feel like they are in control. You can't exactly do a good job if you are dead. Border Patrol, Police, and many other Law Enforcement individuals are put in that same situation.

Most Officers will attempt to maintain control of the situation, in any way possible, rather than lose control and let a potentially violent individual get the upper hand. If that means kicking someone's ass, than so be it. And lets be serious, here, "Potentially Violent Individual" is EVERYBODY the Officer deals with. It doesn't matter who you are or what you look like, if you do something to make a police officer think you might have nefarious motives, like getting out of your vehicle to confront him, that officer will take any and all avenues to protect himself.

I once had a Sheriff hold me at gunpoint and handcuff me after pulling me over, because I didn't happen to see him in my rearview for about 5 miles. He thought I was running from him. It was like 6AM and I was TIRED, so my awareness wasn't exactly spot on. I was frightened, for sure, since you don't usually start your mornings staring down the barrel of a gun, but I didn't hold it against him, and when he started questioning me, I was respectful, explained my situation, and that I didn't have any reason to run. After a few minutes, running a few checks, he uncuffed me, gave me my car keys, and even APOLOGIZED for any scare he may have given me. (Even better, he just gave me a warning for speeding)

Like I said before, you treat LEOs with respect, and you will almost ALWAYS get respect back. 999,999 times out of 1,000,000, you have to provoke or frighten LEOs to have them respond with violence, and I'm certain that Watts probably did one of the two.

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Too true, Vald.

Man, that feels wierd, saying that.

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Hey, how about you check this http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/DLhandbook.pdf .  That's the Texas DMV Driver's License Handbook.  Go check section 14-2, and then come back here with some humble pie. 

Actually, I sided with the border patrol because, in getting out of the vehicle, Watts was in the wrong.  Besides, I never get to serve on juries anyway; when you have advanced degrees and aren't swayed easily by emotional pleas, they tend to not like you as a potential juror for much of anything. 

side note:  Was this individual a known threat?  They only employ the car speaker when, say, pulling over a car that is owned or being driven by someone suspected of a violent wrongdoing.  Otherwise, they get out of the car and walk to your window. 

You fail to understand that when he got out of the car, they didn't know what his intent was, but they did know he was being noncompliant and endangering them, and that's more than enough to justify a taste of pepper spray.

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It's funny -- I checked 14-2, and the FIRST line under the header "WHEN STOPPED BY THE POLICE" it reads: "It is suggested that the driver should" -- emphasis is mine. It's not a requirement, even if it is a good idea.

Additionally, you're failing to see the larger picture of this. So what if he made a mistake? There's no indication that he actually MADE any aggressive actions, threaten or otherwise interact violently with the border guards. And yet he was beaten, dragged away in cuffs, and had his property confiscated. A quick look at his blog also mentions that a friend of his who was with him was treated similarly, despite the fact that this friend STAYED IN THE CAR. He was still cuffed, interrogated, and had his belongs confiscated.

It is exceedingly difficult to believe that Watts actually tried to choke one of the border guards, like they claim, unless perhaps said guard was choked by the backwash from the pepper spray. Right or wrong, Watts getting out of the car could be pretty easily dismissed over the felony they want to charge him with. We may disagree on how 'agressive' getting out of the car was, but the rest of the incident seems a lot more clearly wrong. The guards here seem pretty indefensible.

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Just as you say there's no indication he actually did anything wrong, there's actually no indication that he didn't assault a police officer, either.

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Except that he's confident that security footage will validate his side of the story. Sounds like a pretty stupid bluff to make, since it's easy to prove wrong.

Definitive proof? No, not until the footage is reviewed, but it's a stronger indication of innocence than guilt.

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Not really.  There are people all over the world that do that all the time, and still get busted because the evidence they thought would exonerate them actually proved they did what they tried to get away with.  Just because he's an author doesn't mean he isn't an idiot (indeed, he proved he is an idiot by getting out of his car and confronting armed law enforcement personnel without them saying to).

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Note that the bullet point relating to staying in your car until the cop gives you further instructions is in bold.  As is the part that 'suggests' you follow the instructions of the officer.

As for the friend, he probably got that treatment due to the actions of Watts himself. 

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Unless you can point me to a law that says something to the effect of 'disobeying common police ettiquette is an offense punishible immediately by physical retribution', I fail to see your point.

Additionally, I'm sure that when these officers apprehended Watts, it would have taken all of a 'please come with us sir, we'd like to speak with you' to get his friend to come with them, cuffless. There's no need for such excessive force. The fact that you're so accepting of this sort of behavior is terrifying.

I mean; imagine if you were walking along, and a police officer stopped you, and asked you to take off your shirt, you'd comply? You wouldn't ask why? And then you'd be this dismissive of someone who was pepper sprayed for not immediately complying?

 
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MaskedPixelanteHyrule Warriors pre-order DLC appears to be live for all.12/28/2014 - 2:46pm
Matthew WilsonI meant from a organizational pov end users get it in contract, but any site that would want to use it for 2 factor would have to pay alot of money12/27/2014 - 5:35pm
IanCSMS is expensive? In what country? I get something stupid a month on my contract. I think it might even be unlimited.12/27/2014 - 5:32pm
Matthew WilsonI am still amazed that 2 factor authentication has not become the norm yet. I get sms is expensive, but Google authanacator api is free for any website to use.12/27/2014 - 5:11pm
PHX Corphttp://techcrunch.com/2014/12/27/anonymous-leaked-a-massive-list-of-passwords-and-credit-card-numbers/ Guys change your passwords: Anonymous Leaked A Massive List Of Passwords And Credit Card Numbers12/27/2014 - 3:25pm
Matthew WilsonThis is impressive video editing. basketball tricks with a basketball. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhCQeFX9GSg#t=18112/27/2014 - 2:01pm
MaskedPixelanteDude was at the center of a pretty serious plagiarism scandal back in 2011, and it was widely known he ripped off other musical pieces well before that.12/27/2014 - 9:33am
Kajex@Masked Right, because his work actually composing music for several Metroid games necessitated plagiarism.12/27/2014 - 9:04am
MaskedPixelanteI can't believe Kenji Yamamoto got another job. Then again, his job on Smash was "musical arrangment", so copying other people's work is right up his alley.12/26/2014 - 9:31pm
Matthew Wilsonthe company that hosts it is a cyber security firm, and from what I understand it is the data they they see just shown publicly.12/26/2014 - 8:22pm
Wonderkarpa question about that website, Matthew...how does it know its a cyberattack or not12/26/2014 - 8:06pm
Matthew Wilsonfor those intreasted in seeing cyber attacks in real time check out this site. http://map.ipviking.com/12/26/2014 - 7:51pm
PHX Corp@MP you can add me on XBL and Nintendo Network if you want, I go under TrustyGem(Same gamertag as on Steam)12/26/2014 - 2:01pm
CMinerI blame North Korea.12/25/2014 - 11:49pm
MechaTama31For the last few weeks, the GP site fails to load about 2/3 of the times I try.12/25/2014 - 11:13pm
MaskedPixelanteOK, is GP having trouble loading for anyone but me?12/25/2014 - 9:21pm
Matthew Wilsonits a bunch of script kiddies. ddosing is one of the easiest thing to do,and most companies can not stop it sadly.12/25/2014 - 5:05pm
MaskedPixelanteI like Nintendo as much as the next person, they're pretty much the only company putting out the games I want to play, but that was pretty embarassing to have NNID go down due to overuse.12/25/2014 - 4:35pm
MaskedPixelanteSee? It's NOT a repeat of last year's fiasco.12/25/2014 - 4:22pm
PHX CorpLizard squad is responsible for The XBL/PSN shutdown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSpZvsoWvig12/25/2014 - 4:17pm
 

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