Christian Group Calls for MW2 Ban, Also Hunts Witches

Maine’s Christian Civic League is calling for a ban on Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.

The League writes that we live in a time where “the public has been dangerously desensitized to violence,” and that “many find a thrill in participating in violent video games.”   It claims that Modern Warfare 2 goes too far, “even in our own desensitized age,” and specifically calls out the No Russian scene (which it calls the “Massacre Level”) as most offending.

“All decent people should denounce the game,” continues the League, which goes on to suggest that the state of Maine should open debate into banning “these” games completely.

The League then attempts to play up the link between violent videogames and school shootings, and while  Maine has yet to have a school shooting of its own, “the danger is growing each passing day” adds the League.

Videogames are just one manifestation of current social ills however:

The ready availability of drugs, violent video games, and outrageous rock music is a witch’s brew which will eventually lead to tragedy here in Maine.

In related League news, the group also accused the owner of a local book store of being a witch and claimed that the store owner cast a spell on the Administrator of the League, Mike Hein, in return for being “outed” as a “practitioner of the occult.”

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    nightwng2000 says:

    1.  Why would one need to limit such sociopathic delusional acts to "Catholics"?  The advocates in favor of abusing others come from ALL circles of religion.

    The law needs to specify the most noted groups, and it doesn’t limit to jsut those groups, because there a large number of sociopaths, as pointed out in the articles, who will walk into court and claim that child their child sexually molested as an effort to "change" their victim wasn’t "normal", was an "abomination" (I’m sure a number of folks from NC will remember THAT remark from the Baptist Convention a few years ago), and that it was their religious Right under the US Constitution to offer methods of "changing" people like them if such groups weren’t outlined in the law.  The fact that these sociopaths (a) claim it’s their religious Right to abuse others and (b) the demand to have it removed, is evidence that that is their purpose.  Have it removed, then argue in court that, based on their opinion, homosexuality is a choice and therefore should not be covered by the law.  Of course, if it WERE a choice, it only proves that such mentally delusional sociopaths have a Right to deprive another citizen of their choice by FORCE. 

    (2)  "Picking on"?  Right.  As pointed out in one of the articles, the Vatican directly refused to provide information to legal authorities.  The Vatican is well known for covering up sociopathic acts, as well as supporting sociopathic acts.  The very announcment that it believed homosexuality should remain a crime was to, peripherally, support any criminal acts AGAINST those who were homosexual.  The Vatican, if anything, is a city sized insane asylum run by the inmates.  As the supposed "moral center" of religious law, instead of covering up, advocating, and even promoting such acts, it should have long since been using its authority to root out and lock up the clearly mentally disturbed.  But instead, like so many other religious authorities, it justifies its cover ups, advocates abuse, both directly and indirectly, and keeps claiming its "Imaginary Friend" supports such acts.

    (3)  Again, you only point to Catholics.  As to the idea that our legal system is supposed to be neutral is rediculous, that shows as PROOF the desire to subvert the US Constitution to create a Theological Dictatorship.  The US Constitution was clearly written to protect the Rights of ALL citizens, religious or otherwise.  But the mentally delusional sociopaths who want the Right to deprive other citizens of Human and Civil Rights and every Right they can possibly think of, try to claim that the US Constitution is written as nothing more than an extention of religious tenants to beat down those that any given individual in power may decide is "abnormal", "anti-religious", or inappropriate to live in a Theological society.  There is sufficient evidence to prove that the US Constitution should have been deemed null and void on the grounds that the US Constitution’s true neutrality has been subverted by the mentally delusional and sociopathic who have been put into power long enough to violate even the most basic of Rights afforded by it.

    Whether it is formally having religious doctrine placed on government currency (whose removal and only stating the value of the currancy would NOT deprive citizens of their religious Right in any way, shape or form nor would be a statement of denying the existance of a Supreme being, contrary to lies and deceit by the mentally delusional), passing a law in a NEUTRAL legal system to reflect RELIGIOUS doctrine based on RELIGIOUS traditional marriage versus a LEGAL marriage contract (yes, yes, I know all the lies and deceit about "the word Marriage is copyrighted by religion" and the claims by the mentally delusional and sociopathic that allowing legal marriage but in a limited format and under a different name is "equality", when intelligent, logical individuals know better).  In the end, religion has done nothing but warp, molest, taint, and horribly damage the US legal system.  Even the in-fighting between various religious factions do harm to our government system.  Look at Elizabeth Dole and her McCarthy-esque tactics during the previous election where not only did she make bigoted and veiled threats against non-religious citizens (by demonizing them to her mentally delusional and sociopathic followers who are well known for committing violent acts in the name of their "Imaginary Friend"), but she attempted to demonize her opponent, Kay Hagan in the same vein, though Hagan follows a religious path as well.

    http://atheism.about.com/b/2008/09/03/elizabeth-dole-equality-for-atheists-not-a-north-carolina-value.htm

    The fact is, when any given religious group is done depriving one group of citizens their Rights, they will move on to another because their "Imaginary Friend" defined them as superior to everyone else.  And whoever doesn’t exactly follow their beliefs, must therefore be inferior and controled, dominated, or wiped out (all depending on the religion and how far they’ve eliminated other inferior citizens).  "If you don’t like the way we dominiate… er… run this country, get out!"  How often has that cry been heard? 

    You, and others, say the "bad" religions are in the minority.  Considering that vote after vote on various issues shows that they are winning those votes, how can you know that once they solidify their control over others, they won’t finally decide to turn on YOU.  Then again, I did once state that many of those claiming to be of the "good" religion were actually made up those who follow the "bad" beliefs.  Once more and more entered the "good" religion and tainted it with sociopathic beliefs, such as lying and deceiving others, bigotry, and even abuse of all types, to be "moral" acts, they would then still claim to be the "good" religion.  Many of those claiming that there are fewer of "them" are actually, even if only in part, one of "them", the "bad" religions.

    So, yes, please, go ahead and come up with all the justifications you can about such acts.  Downplay them.  Ignore them.  There are plenty of intelligent folks who know better.  That’s the problem with the mentally delusional and sociopathic, the beliefs of the "Imaginary Friend" outweight the vaule of the rest of Humanity.

    Nightwng2000

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    Valdearg says:

    "I suppose it would suck, to put it extremely simple. But that really has nothing to do with what we are discussing."

    That has EVERYTHING to do what we are discussing. The parallels are there. The chuch is actively trying to legistlate something they believe to be moral onto others who believe they are doing something perfectly moral. THAT’S the crux of this issue. You just said "it would suck" if I was to force my Morality on you, why do you and the church insist on doing the same? That right there is a PERFECT example of the Church actually showing intolerence, bigotry, and hate.

    Among other examples are the HUGE Number of links that Nightwing provided. You are just too blind to see the wrongdoing because of your misguided morality and your desire to force it on those who don’t believe! Stop being an apologist, and stop making excuses for the shitty way YOUR CHURCH treats the homosexual community, just because they happen to have a different take on Morality that you do!

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    gellymatos says:

    I suppose it would suck, to put it extremely simple. But that really has nothing to do with what we are discussing. We are talking about hate done by the church (at least that seems to be what we have been). You keep trying to twist it into an argument about whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong. As I have said time and again, I will not get into such an argument with you as there is no real logic behind it. I mean, you are talking about love. Love, while I do believe in it, is entirely moral and has no way to be defined logically. What is love? There really is no logical explaination. Can one really know what true love is? Throught facts, figures and stats, no it cannot. Please stop trying to drag me into this discussion! Just give some instance of the church actually showing intolerence, bigotry, and/or hate! You didn’t do it last time we had this discussion, you still haven’t now, and you still insist on diverting the subject to something else!

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    Valdearg says:

    My Question to you was Simple.

    How would YOU feel, if you were doing something you believed was perfectly moral, such as dating and marrying a female, and being in a heterosexual marriage, and I organized a group that got a law passed that prevented you from marrying the person you loved. How would you feel, if millions of Americans voted to prevent you from being with the person you truly love? How would you feel, if you weren’t provided the same rights as everyone else, just because you happen to be straight?

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    gellymatos says:

    1. The n.c. bullying law.

    I read said articles. It seems that the act was done by right wing nuts who somehow read "gay agenda" where there wasn’t. Didnt’ see anything about catholics. Also, shouldn’t the law have made all bullying illegal?

    2. Church Scandals

    I thought this was clear now, but apparently I was wrong. The mistakes were made on a local level. The stupid members of these churches somehow thought that this was something that a simple prayer and therapy could solve. The Vatican found out later and did not condone the action. These priests did something that we (along with the rest of society) find terrible. The Vatican excommunicated these priests and let the police do what they will with them. Keep note that others besides catholic priests commited these acts. The media just seems to enjoy picking on catholics the most.

    3. The gay marriage bill.

    The catholic church opposes gay marriage. And others don’t. The idea of our country somehow being neutral is ridiculus. Everyone tries to get their beliefs into law. Welcome to politics.

     

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    gellymatos says:

    I admit to the mistake I made in what I said. I concede to that point of what science has shown. This is still up for scrutiny, but I think I get your point.

    However, I do know a little of what it is like to take crap for what I am. You forget I’m catholic. I get crap from other denominations, people like nightwing, and many others. Many people find our beliefs wrong or immoral. I get insulted, laughed at, yelled at, and more. I mention I’m catholic, and people look at me like I’m some sort of joke. I take crap for things catholics don’t do. The fact is, within the factions who disagree with us, yet don’t necessarily hate or try to offend us, there are those who will think that just because we have a different belief we can be attacked. I have no experience in that legislative area, but again, that is what the whole debate on homosexuality is about and is a moral argument. My point is, I do understand that homosexuals have taken a lot of crap. Do you think I like it when I see the "God Hates Gays" signs. Of course not. It gets me more concerned than gay marriage ever will. However, you still have not shown a point on how catholics condone any of those discrimnatory actions against gays. About the only thing against gays really is the legal marriage thing. I have seen no hate or actions against gays.  I haven’t even seen anything about the catholic church trying to make gay sex illegal.

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    Valdearg says:

    " Remember that heterosexuality how nature works."

    First off, let me say.. No.. Nature works in many ways. Heterosexuality may be the MAJORITY of situations, but there are a large number of homosexual encounters among many species, not just Humans. On top of that, there is a MOUNTAIN of research that suggests that homosexuality is triggered by genetics, rather than choices. If the research is true, then that means being Gay is just as "unnatural" as being straight is.

    To add to that, I wasn’t asking how you would feel if you were attacked for being Homosexual. Let me quote my question.

    "How would you feel if I organized a campaign that sucessfully made it a law to tell you that you couldn’t marry the person you loved? Or to tell you that you couldn’t worship anymore, because I felt it was wrong? Or to allow employers to discriminate, emotionally abuse, or even FIRE you, because you happened to grow up a specific way?"

    I wasn’t asking you how you’d feel if you were gay, I was asking how you’d feel if a group made you a target of discrimination, intolerance, hate, and legislative inequality just for the sole fact that you happened to be different than them. What if someone got Catholicism banned because they thought it was immoral? What if you weren’t allowed to marry the girl you fell in love with, because some group thought that heterosexuality was despicable and immoral, despite the fact that you feel it’s perfectly moral and fine? How would you feel?

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    Keegs79 says:

    i sent them a nasty email. Well not entirely nasty but I told them off on how they shouldn’t use Modern Warfare 2 to prop up their religious agenda and its our right to have these games from the first amendment. Seriously though? Witch’s brew? How stone age can they be?

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    nightwng2000 says:

    False things?  Thank you.  You’ve just PROVEN that the mentally delusional and sociopaths of the religious knowingly and intentionally lie and deceive in the name of their "Imaginary Friend".  Your idiotic claim that I am self-righteous and that is my "Imaginary Friend" has just shown how delusional and sociopathic the teachings of religion are.

    False?  Let’s have the Truth, The WHOLE Truth, and Nothing But The Truth.  I realize your "Imaginary Friend" advocates such acts as these, but no honorable, ethical, intelligent individual or "God" ever would:

    http://www.cwfa.org/articles/15578/FIELD/education/index.htm

    http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/6146/

    http://www.ncfamily.org/stories/080313s1.html

    Oh, and here’s a beautiful one:

    http://christianactionleague.org/news/pro-homosexual-bullying-bill-is-dead/

    "“It would elevate sexual orientation and gender identity or expression to the same level with the enumerations of race, color, ancestry, national origin, gender, physical appearance, mental, physical or sensory disability — all immutable or unchangeable characteristics. Yet homosexuality, bisexuality, transgender, cross dressing and other alternate sexual behaviors are not immutable, but changeable. It would be most egregious to affirm by state law that what is unnatural behavior is somehow unchangeably innate and normal,” Creech said."

    Yes, they want the "Right" to verbally, mentally, physically, and/or sexually abuse ANYONE, including children, until they "change".  Because, according to the religious bigotry of their "Imaginary Friend", those individuals are "unnatural" and don’t have the same Rights as everyone else.

    Eventually, the law was passed, but it’s very clear where and WHY the bill was delayed.

    Next!

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30838320/

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/20/irish-catholic-church-child-abuse1

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8382010.stm

    "

    The inquiry asked for details of reports on abuse sent to the Vatican by the Dublin archdiocese in 2006.

    The Vatican did not reply but told the Irish Foreign Affairs department the request "had not gone through appropriate diplomatic channels".

    The inquiry condemned church leaders for covering-up abuse for decades. "

    Yeah, it’s just a few lowly and unimportant heads of religious order that are involved.  Uh huh.

    Ah yes, and then there are the religious groups depriving citizens of Equal Rights under a NEUTRAL legal system:

    http://www.protectmarriage.com/

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29140.html

    And, of course, Utah.  All branches of Christianity working as the opponents.  All branches of religion working to subvert the US Constitution and create, even in part, a Theological Dictatorship.  there is, in fact, no grievance that exists that would permit any organization to set forth voting in opposition to deprive ANY US Citizen from joining in LEGAL marriage (as opposed to religious traditional marriage).  And the blatherings of "it’ll lead to Humans marrying non-Humans" as the US Constitution does not establish Human and Civil Rights to non-Humans.  Nor do the blatherings of "it would open the door to adults marrying children", as minors a NEUTRAL legal system does, or should, provide laws regarding the Rights of minors in general.  Nor does the argument of marrying a blood kin or having sexual relations with blood kin have any relevance.  See minors above and in regards to adults, the law should provide or deprive Rights along those lines in general, not just in regards to one sexuality versus another.

    And, of course, as always, feel free to do more research.  These are just jumping off points.

    And, of course, there are many other reported cases of all forms of abuse you can look up.

    And, while these have revolved around various Christian factions, we are already aware of a great many abuses by other religions, from small to rather massive acts of horror. 

    All perpetuated in the name of their "Imaginary Friend".

    Please, feel free to have your eyes cloud over at the request of your "Imaginary Friend".  Many do.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

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    gellymatos says:

    So, I shouldn’t give my opinion because someone might somehow become "emotionally abused". Allow me to use your own tactic against you. What if someone claimed to be "emotionally abused" by your opinion. It would seem to me that they just can’t grasp the concept of someone else’s belief. Everyone is free to not believe something someone says. As for the suicide, that comes down to the ideology thing I said earlier. Ideology can do such things, not just religon alone. A person may contimplate suicde for a multitude of reasons. Now try to give me an example of the church intentionally attempting commit an act of "emotional abuse".

    I already said the church recanted the threat and admitted that it was wrong do such a thing. Also remember that this was on a local level. If you want more on this, check our old argument. It was more detailed. And I don’t think you do have more stories. After all, you brought up an old one I already was able to counter.

    Then there’s your whole paragraph on what if I was attacked because I was heterosexual. I have never cared for that argument because it is flawed. Remember that heterosexuality how nature works. This hypothetical situation is pretty much impossible. Try another.

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    Valdearg says:

    You know that the very act of telling a homosexual he is living a sinful life could be considered emotional abuse, right? If you repeatedly tell someone, especially if they are confused and religious, that homosexuality is wrong, and that they are being sinful, they will feel shame for thier natural feelings. They will feel confused as to why they just don’t find women attractive, and I’ve read many stories about individuals that are SO confused and upset, because thier bodies aren’t doing what people say God says they should do, that they kill themselves.. If that’s not emotional abuse, I don’t know what is.

    As for offensive actions and discrimination, I point back to the fact that the Catholic Church in DC was willing to abandon all charity efforts, and let those they helped suffer, just because the DC City council was willing to recognize Gay marriage and make it illegal to discriminate against them.

    There are plenty more stories where those came from. All one needs to do to see institutionalized bigotry and intolerance is look.

    As far as the morality of homosexuality, I understand that we will never agree on that. Thats not my question, though. My question is how you would feel if I organized a group that constantly lobbied to restrict your rights because I think that something you do is immoral. How would you feel, if I believe that being straight was immoral, and a small majority of Americans agreed? How would you feel if I managed to make it legal to discriminate and restrict your rights, just because you happen to be attracted to women?

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    gellymatos says:

    Okay, I will say it again. I will not get into a debate on the morality of homosexuality. It would never end. However, I will argue on whether or not the cathoic church is being hateful (I can’t say the same for the other denominations, too many have had "God hates Gays"). Lets start with the examples of the discriminations against homsexuals. Which ones have the church commited? The only one you seem to be even close to accurate on is the gay marriage. That comes down to what love really is, what lust might be, what marriage really is, etc. That is, again, a moral argument that cannot really be solved logically. The others, such as emotional abuse, offensive actions, etc. are not condoned by the catholic church. If you see a catholic do any such thing, remind him that catholics don’t condone hate.

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    Valdearg says:

    "By the way, do you know how I can get rid of that post of mine that seems to have been done a second time?"

    I don’t.. Maybe just edit it and replace it with [Double Post], to save space, but I don’t know how to delete them.

    "Remember that you think that homosexuality is okay while I think that it is wrong."

    Does that make it right for you to harm those who you view as wrong? Remember, like I said, Interracial marriage was seen as "wrong" and "Immoral" as well. Do you still think that interracial marriage is wrong, as well? I mean, it was preached that way in the Catholic church, in the past!

    How would you feel if I said: "I think that being Catholic is wrong. They may think it’s perfectly fine to be Catholic, but I think it’s wrong! They shouldn’t have any rights, and I don’t think two catholics should ever be allowed to marry each other!" You’d be upset, maybe even spiteful or angry. You’d be even MORE upset if 52% of America agreed with me, and I suceeded in making it legal to discriminate against you and make sure you can’t marry someone you loved. How would you feel if people you’ve never met, and never harmed, went out of thier way to stop you from loving those you fell in love with because they "think it is wrong"?

    "Listen to yourself. You are becoming as forceful about your belief as those you have complained about."

    I’m forceful, yes, but I’m NOT restricting your rights. I’m not advocating that the government stop you from doing what you like, or loving who you will. Granted, I’m not as affected as others, because I’m currently in a straight relationship that will probably last for the rest of my life, but there are many, MANY other gay couples out there being told that they can’t get married, because they happen to be different from others.

    Again, I ask you to put yourself in thier shoes. How would you feel if I organized a campaign that sucessfully made it a law to tell you that you couldn’t marry the person you loved? Or to tell you that you couldn’t worship anymore, because I felt it was wrong? Or to allow employers to discriminate, emotionally abuse, or even FIRE you, because you happened to grow up a specific way? All of those feelings that you’d undoubtely have, from dispair, sadness, anger, and frustration, are exactly what you are doing to Gay Couples, because you just happen to arbitrarily think thier lifestyle is wrong.

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    gellymatos says:

    You always seem to interpet my point as trying to promote my belief. I will not get into an argument on belief, ideology, or morality like this because it will never end. It seems to me you lack the ability to see another persons point of view. Remember that you think that homosexuality is okay while I think that it is wrong. Your basis on your last post is your opinion. And I repeat, I will not get into this kind of argument. I already told you that most moral arguments cannot be solved by some simple logic or proved one way or another, especially since everyone seems to have a different view on morality. Listen to yourself. You are becoming as forceful about your belief as those you have complained about.

    By the way, do you know how I can get rid of that post of mine that seems to have been done a second time?

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    Valdearg says:

    "He is saying that catholics should oppose the laws that we find wrong. Just as you and everyone else does. You oppose the laws you don’t agree with and we will do the same. We are not showing intolerence, bigotry, or hate."

    If encouraging your followers to fight against providing equal rights and happiness to a certain specific minority in America ISN’T intolerance, bigotry, or hate??

    You can fight against laws you disagree with whenever you want. The next time you do, though, think about the people you are affecting. These people have done absolutely NOTHING to hurt you or harm you. They aren’t affecting your life in any way, and have never tried to pass laws that negatively affect your happiness. These couples just want to be able to love each other in peace, and recieve the same benefits and protections that straight people get when they are married. How is that not intolerance or bigotry?

    As recently as the 1960’s, it was considered "Immoral" to marry individuals with a different skin color as your own. You would call that intolerance and bigotry, right? Would you believe that God was used in that argument, too? Many opponents believed it was a biblical teaching, and thier churches preached against interracial marriage, as well. Those individuals who were in love with someone from a different race suffered, much like Gay Couples are suffering now, because thier love was "Immoral" in the eyes of the Church, as well as the greater society.

    Luckily, that fight was won by the side of equality, much like, eventually, the Gay Marriage fight will be won, as well.

    Just remember, that every single time you cast that vote against Gay Marriage, you are directly affecting the ability for millions of Gay Couples in the world to be happy and to recieve the same rights under the law as straight couples. Think, before you cast that vote, or before you condemn gay marriage, about every single person you are affecting with your bigotry. Think about every single person, who has done absolutely NOTHING to you, and how you are hurting them, just because you think they fell in love with the wrong person.

    Put yourself in thier shoes, for once. You’d be amazed at the harm you are doing to them.

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    gellymatos says:

    First off, wow. It seems you have quite the bad luck when it comes to meeting religous people. I mean, really. Where do you live to have that many encounters (don’t really have to answer that.) However, it seems that you may become their atheist equivilent. That’s the thing about ideology. It can be twisted. Those who say religon alone causes war are naive. An ideology twisted to justify taking anothers life is what can cause war. That "Holier-than-thou-I’m-better-than-you" attitude can come from any ideology. Also remember that the religous groups like to spread and tell their beliefs just like any ideology as well. How they do it is something else entirely.

    Then there is the quote you used. You misinterpreted it a bit. He is saying that catholics should oppose the laws that we find wrong. Just as you and everyone else does. You oppose the laws you don’t agree with and we will do the same. We are not showing intolerence, bigotry, or hate. I will oppose the laws, but I will remain civil and friendly. I have and have had homosexual friends and friends that believe in homosexuality. We have debates and disagree, but they are still my friends. The church has no problem with that.

    Remember, don’t become as bad as those you complain about.

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    gellymatos says:

    First off, wow. It seems you have quite the bad luck when it comes to meeting religous people. I mean, really. Where do you live to have that many encounters (don’t really have to answer that.) However, it seems that you may become their atheist equivilent. That’s the thing about ideology. It can be twisted. Those who say religon alone causes war are naive. An ideology twisted to justify taking anothers life is what can cause war. That "Holier-than-thou-I’m-better-than-you" attitude can come from any ideology. Also remember that the religous groups like to spread and tell their beliefs just like any ideology as well. How they do it is something else entirely.

    Then there is the quote you used. You misinterpreted it a bit. He is saying that catholics should oppose the laws that we find wrong. Just as you and everyone else does. You oppose the laws you don’t agree with and we will do the same. We are not showing intolerence, bigotry, or hate. I will oppose the laws, but I will remain civil and friendly. I have and have had homosexual friends and friends that believe in homosexuality. We have debates and disagree, but they are still my friends. The church has no problem with that.

    Remember, don’t become as bad as those you complain about.

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    Valdearg says:

    I can’t help that I feel anger, resentment, frustration, and hate when dealing with any Institiutionalized Relgion. I see it, day after day after day, misleading, lying, and brainwashing what could have been good people and turning them into mindless evangelicising zombies. 

    I’ve never ONCE had a good interaction with a religious person, when religion itself is brought up. It’s always, "You should come to church, let Jesus into your life!" or "You need God in your life.." or "You’re going to rot in hell, if you don’t beg forgiveness for your sins!" Believe it or not, when discussing this topic in person, I’m usually pretty nice, until they start to annoy me or exhibit the trademarked Holier-than-thou-I’m-better-than-you attitude towards me.

    I remember one time, I had a co-worker that I was very friendly with ask me to go to her church with her, as a friendly request. When I responded, "I’m sorry, I’m an Athiest. I don’t believe in God or Religion, and I’m not a big fan of church.." She frowned at me and literally told me that she couldn’t let her soul be stained by a non-believer and that it would probably be best that we part ways. She literally refused to work next to me anymore. If my manager put her in the same station, she requested to be moved, all because I didn’t practice her religion.

    Now, I recognize that not ALL religious individuals are like that, but I see less apparent, but just as hateful undercurrents every day. From the disapproving looks that I get when in public with my Pagan girlfriend, because she wears a Pentacle necklace, to the political aspirations of the Catholic Church, attempting to limit my rights and my friends rights because we live an "Immoral" lifestyle, (Protip: There’s absolutely NOTHING immoral about it..) to the outright bigotry, hate, and threats of violence I see when I attend Milwaukee Pride Fest every Summer.. All of these things, and many, many more are spawned by institutionalized religion. ANY institutionalized religion is a corrupting influence in all corners of society, and is a very dangerous entity, indeed.

    To sum it up, a quote from the indisputed leader of the Catholic Church, Pope Benedict XVI:

    "In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, clear and emphatic opposition is a duty. One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection."

    Even the LEADER of the catholic church is advocating resistance and discrimination against Homosexuals, just because they happen to live a lifestyle that the Church disagrees with. He is effectively ordering all members of the Catholic church not to tolerate moves to provide equal rights and to actively resist any laws that would provide those equal rights. He is preaching bigotry and intolerance, and, most importantly, he is preaching against equal rights for my friends and myself! Of course I’m going to be angry at him and the group he leads!

     

     

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    gellymatos says:

    Vald, when you’re not bashing something or someone, you’re a great guy. However, not being harsh and being a respectful debator is not the same as relenting. The only way you end an argument that way is to offend the other person so much that they find that the argument isn’t worth the crap they are taking for it. The only way that you or Nightwing make arguments harder to counter is by giving me too much that I can counter in one comment. I could counter a lot of the previoush points. But why? All I’ll get from it is crap. Lastly, I don’t hate. I’ll get upset, angry, pissed, etc., but I never hate. It’s like I told you on our last debate, hate is against the church’s teachings. And it really puts you bellow the opposition in an argument on hate.

    P.s. hope your girlfriend is alright. Depression is a serious thing.

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    Valdearg says:

    Let me make it clear that I’ve got no personal gripe with you Gelly. When debating, I’m a whole different person than when I’m just chilling. When I come off harsh regarding these arguments, it’s only because relenting will cause my argument to lose force. The more thoroughly I destroy an argument, the more difficult it is for someone to counter it.

    Hell, you’ve been on the recieving end of it, haha. Now, if we went back on the shoutbox and started chatting about something else, I’d be perfectly cool.

    Here, however, in the comments, it’s take-no-prisoners mode.

    So, that being said, I don’t hate you. I just hate the group that you are a part of, much like I’m sure you don’t hate me, but you probably hate the fact that I’m a very vocal anti-religious person.

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    gellymatos says:

    Funny, I’m tolerent to you guys. I have not tried to offend you or show hate toward you. Hell, I mostly respect you Vald. Nightwing, your equivalent to our "imaginary friend" is your own self-rightousness. If anyone disagrees with you they are evil. You pull false things about thouse who disagree out of your hat as though it is truth.

  22. 0
    Valdearg says:

    If you are suggesting that we should be tolerant of a group fighting for inequality and fighting to keep thier "Right" to mentally and physically abuse, as well as discriminate against someone who chose a lifestyle the group disagrees with, you might want to reconsider. It’s okay to be intolerant of those who attempt to restrict equal rights, and it’s okay to be intolerant of those who defend those groups.

    Would you be tolerant of a member of the KKK? Would you be tolerant of someone who defends thier belief that minorities are evil? No.. Tolerence is acceptance of thier ideas.

    We won’t be tolerant of any group or any person that supports a group that sees Homosexuals as Evil, and treat them as second class citizens. It just won’t happen.

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    nightwng2000 says:

    And, as any other delusional sociopath who believes that anything and everything goes when "My Imaginary Friend says it’s ok", you try to turn everything around to those who oppose such acts commited by the delusion sociopaths that use religion as a justification.

    It wasn’t an original idea for the Scientologists.  They learned it from other religions who used their "Imaginary Friend" to justify their sociopathic acts.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

    Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  24. 0
    Valdearg says:

    Wow… I… I think my anti-religious zeal has been bested.. That comment was a religion dismantling work of art..

    *Bows* Train me, Nightwing! I wish to be your anti-religious apprentice!

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    sharpshooterbabe says:

    Hopefully there won’t be a witch trail like back in the times of the salem witch trials. Maine’s Christian Civic League calls themselves a Christian group but yet is calling people a witch. Yeah they are in the wrong to even call someone else that. They don’t sound like Christians at all.

    & MW2 is already out & about on store shelves & in kids’ hands & parents playing the game too. SO what does this Civic League at meetings & "important" matters like that?

    The League then attempts to play up the link between violent videogames and school shootings, and while  Maine has yet to have a school shooting of its own, “the danger is growing each passing day” adds the League.

    Why would this group even talk about school shootings & video games together in one sentence? No school shooting has happened being linked to a violent game in Maine. This group is just putting an excuse as a blame before it ever happens. They are worrying over nothing! The group should be worried when & if a school shooting does happen & when the police reports say the shooting was linked to a violent video game……..duesche bags.

     

    "It’s better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." – Montgomery Gentry

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    nightwng2000 says:

    I grow more and more hostile to religion with every major news story (this one is minor but added to all the other minor ones, aids in the overall result) that comes out.

    Certainly Christianity isn’t alone in these activities.  And, more and more, the "good" seem to grow smaller and smaller, or certainly quieter and quieter.  If there really are so many "good" ones, as I once believed and other still claim them to exist, where are they?  If there is ANYONE who should be putting these horrid taintings of religion to task, it should be THEM.  Yet, they are nowhere to be seen or heard from.

    According to history, one of the reasons this nations was colonized was to escape from tyranny and religious persecution.  But if those who colonized this nation were the "good" escaping from the "bad", what happened?  Did the "bad" follow and overwhelm the "good" and try to pass themselves off as the "good"?

    The "good" exists sporatically.   It’s either beaten down into silence by the "bad", or it’s swallowed up and corrupted as well by the "bad".

    BTW, if I didn’t have plans to have my right eye have surgery next March, like I had with the left eye earlier this year, I’d be seriously thinking about doing that religious text thing I once talked about using my tax refund next year.  I still very much want to do it.  Crappy oral communication or not.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

    Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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    nightwng2000 says:

    A conspiracy theorist?

    A religious group that opposes an Anti-Abuse (Anti-Bullying) law because it supposedly violates their FICTIONAL Right to verbally, mentally, physically, and/or sexually abuse others because it’s their religion that advocates it. 

    The Vatican covering up the PROVEN verbal, mental, physical, and/or sexual abuse of children, not merely over the decades and centuries, but in the past YEAR.

    Religious organizations that openly ban LEGAL, not religious traditional but LEGAL Rights, of citizens to be treated equally under the law.  Whether it had been interracial marriage or homosexual marriage.  It is a FACT that it was sociopathic and mentally delusional religious leaders that claimed they had a (FALSE) grievance in allowing ANY vote that deprived citizens of the Equal Opportunity to be recognized under LEGAL marriage.

    Now, religious socipaths are actively trying to manipulate the LEGAL system, a system based on NEUTRAL beliefs, to subvert, even in part, the US Constitution to deprive citizens of their First Amendment Rights because they believe their socipathic and mentally delusional worship of their "Imaginary Friend" is superior to everyone else’s Rights.

    Play your shell game all you want.  You’ve just proven that the religious "morals" is all about lies and deceit.  Conspiracy theorist?  Case file after case file after case file of sexually abused children.  Openly stated claims by religious leaders that they have the Religious Right to verbally, mentally, physically, and/or sexually abuse others, including children.  Legal document after legal document by religious organizations openly opposing LEGAL Rights of citizens to have Equal opportunity under the law.

    You claim a very small number of such.  The very voting records and existance of propsitions to deprive citizens of their Rights, as well as statements by various politicians and the fact those politicians are in power, as well court records showing religious organizations setting out to deprive citizens of their Rights is more than sufficient evidence to the contrary.  Please, go ahead and justify your "morals" which include lies and deceit.  You’re helping me prove my point more and more.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

    Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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    Father Time says:

    Guilt by association fallacy.

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    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    Kojiro says:

    From the article:

    "Dogs were once sacrificed to Hecate, and all-black dogs were the preferred

     

    sacrifice. There is no evidence, nor even a suspicion, that dogs or any other living creatures are sacrificed at the shrine in Sidney.  Nor are we saying that Moran’s branch of the occult believes in such sacrifices. We mention it only to show the depths of evil to which some practitioners of the occult (not Rita Moran) can resort."

    Hahahahahaha!  I’m sure there’s a term for this type of slander, where you say shit about a group of people that an individual is associated with to imply that individual is also like that.

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    gellymatos says:

    I have not ignored anything either. I know that a minority (a really small one a that) wants to ban the game. To they represent all christians, including myself? Of course not.

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    Father Time says:

    No need to be hostile to religion, there’s always been kooks probably always will be.

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    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    Father Time says:

    Perhaps cover up is the wrong word, you’re ignoring that they’re calling for a ban on the game in the entire state. That alone makes them worthy of ridicule no matter what their religion is.

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    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    gellymatos says:

    AH HA HA HA HA! You are funny! If you expected to offend me, you’ve done the opposite! I mean, I think I can now call you a conspiracy theorist. To start, try specifiying these acts. All you have done is repeatedly state that we covered up out acts and that we are sociopaths. You are nothing but intolerent. It’s really as simple as that. Any belief that is not your own is evil to you.

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    MaskedPixelante says:

    Wow, it’s amazing how all these people who have been struck with spells all seem to miraculously recover by the time they go public.

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

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    nightwng2000 says:

    Your covering up for their clear Anti-US Constitutional activities shows just how much sociopathic behavior is behind the religious community.  Lies, deceit, and misinformation are touted as "moral" activities.  Covering up for their activities is no better. 

    And, yes, I would be making the same statments no matter WHAT religion it was.  Whether they used physical violence or non-violent activities to FORCE their delusional, dishonorable, unethical, bigoted, sociopathic, corrupt belief systems, based on their worship of their "Imaginary Friend".  And before you add your additional lies and deception by claiming I am doing the same thing, THEY are attempting to subvert the US Cosntitution by depriving other citizens their Right to make their own decisions as to what is or is not appropriate for OTHER people based on the use of lies and deceit pretending to be "morality" in the name of their "Imaginary Friend".  My argument has been to allow citizens to make their OWN judgments as to what is or is not appropriate for them or their families.  These individuals are not merely offering their own opinions.  They are attempting to mold the US Constitution to THEIR delusional, sociopathic belief system, depriving other citizens of their Rights.

    At what point have -I- stated that I WILL demand legislation to "Protect The Children!" from these mentally delusional and sociopathic individuals and organizations?  I could easily make the exact same argument against religion that has been made against various exposures to various media products.  And my argument would be against DIRECT education training others, including children, to be liars, deceivers, bigots, and out right sociopaths to commit verbal, mental, physical, and/or sexual abuse against others in the name of their "Imaginary Friend".  Frankly, there is more than enough evidence that would bring rise against religions.  And one could easily use Atkinson’s own argument of even if it’s only a few out of the whole community (which is questionable based on certain facts), protecting all of society means that the Rights of the overall community should be denied.  And throwing together the overall statistics of all forms of abuse based on the delusional and sociopathic teachings of religion, they would easily amount to far more than the acts people have tried to link to various media products.  By a massive amount.

    Go ahead and cover up as many of these acts such as in the article that you want.  There will be many more to follow.  You have a LOT of work to do to make certain they are ALL covered up.  Don’t worry though, there are plenty of others out there who support covering these acts up. 

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

    Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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    Sukasa says:

    Yeah, there are radical crazies out there, christian, muslim, fill in the blank group.  However, since the article is talking about a christian group and the belief that they are harmless, does not mean they (or another christian group) will remain that way.  In general I think people need someone to blame for all there misfortunes. If all the muslims, athesists, etc died out there would likely be some new target to put the blame on. Maybe for christians, it would be what is the right type of christian?

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    gellymatos says:

    Nightwing, why? It seems to me you aren’t any better than those who feel like witch hunting is still a good idea. You both seem to believe that any belief that is not your own is evil. Oh, and if this was an article about Jews, Islam, Buddism, or some other religion that isn’t christianity, would you say the same thing?

  38. 0
    gellymatos says:

    Ah, but what would happen if there was a Barack Obama voodoo doll? I think there would be a bunch of Obama lovers who would take it too seriously. That’s the thing. People will do things like that no matter what the ideology.

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    GrimCW says:

    i always thought that witchcraft wasn’t recognized by the church officially tbh, and yet they constantly call things as such.. despite even your average wiccan isn’t gonna claim magic and sorcery.

    not any i’ve ever met anywho.

  40. 0
    Adamas Draconis says:

    Alas, give some of the biggest crazies (As opposed to the normal Christians) their choice and they would re-start the Burning Times in a heartbeat.

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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    hellfire7885 says:

    If the book store worker is a practicing witch, then there’s nothing those people can do about it anyway. Freedom of religion. They can’t make the police do anything, and if they do what they’re likely thinking of ,they’ll be in prison os fast their heads will spin.


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    hellfire7885 says:

    She’d likely have bought a Barack Obama voodoo doll then went to a cutlery store adn gotten a knife.

    But ya, if I were working in a book store and had such people in there, I wouldn’t want their business.


  43. 0
    ZippyDSMlee says:

    Perhaps its time to start flogging and quartering Jews,Muslims and Christians again…lets get back to the basic religions of the world not these hemisphere gobbling brian washing horde like sects…..nothing beets clanish community by community xenophobia and disdain!

    …wait…WUT!!!



    Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/

  44. 0
    Pominator says:

    Oh dear, WHY do these people do this? it really makes it embarrasing to the sane people who are religious!

    We end up being lumped in with that crowd like world of darkness fans are getting lumped in with twitards, its all getting rather scary

    chick chick chick chick chickeeeeen
    lay a little egg for meeeeee!

  45. 0
    Sukasa says:

    Just because a group does not have power now, doesn’t mean it can’t happen in the future. History can repeat itself sadly sometimes.  Sure, Christianity in general no longer goes around burning witches, pagans, etc at the stake.  However that doesn’t mean they can’t start up again.

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    PHX Corp says:

    I really don’t believe that Witchcraft Exists(The puritans really had become bloodthirsty over something in the wheat several centuries ago so, there’s your proof that Witchcraft dosen’t exist)

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  47. 0
    Sukasa says:

    Give them time, Bayonetta is not out yet.  They probably don’t even know it exists yet. Look how long Modern Warfare 2 has been out and they are just now getting around to calling for ban. 

    I work part time at a bookstore and we get people who come in all the time and find something they dont like (usually the sexuality, gay sexuality, witchcraft and slightly mature (usually the yaoi) manga) and complain about it say they wont come back because we have that.  The best was a lady who got really vocal about us having a "George Bush Voodoo Doll" from our humor section and said she was never coming back because we had that. Though I guess she was fine with the "Hilliary Clinton Voodoo Doll" that was right next to it.  The lady even tossed the boxat my manager, lol.  Fun times of working retial.

  48. 0
    Father Time says:

    Any group of adults that thinks witchcraft is real should not be taken seriously. Ever.

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    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    Valdearg says:

    I’m here.. I just haven’t seen someone make a post I disagree with. The general concensus seems to be "This group is a bunch of idiots." I could add that I think any organization for the progress of religious beliefs is a bunch of idiots, but I’d want to be around for that shit storm, and I have work to do..

    :)

  50. 0
    Talouin says:

     I thought so too.  

    I can play him if you want and let you know that as a Catholic you subscribe to the same belief system as the group above and dogma/doctrine demands that you support their position.

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    gellymatos says:

    What can I say to this? The usual. These guys are simply giving out the usual rant. They don’t know what they are talking about. They have no research to back their claims up. Ask them to describe "No Russian" and if they say you play a terrorist, then you know they have not been checking for facts and have gotten their facts from rumors about the game. Let’s not forget about the fact that they are accusing someone of witchcraft, among other things. Seriously? I mean, even Jackie boy would join us in laughing at this accusation. I myself am laughing while typing this. However, a sobering thought to me as a catholic is that they make up the worst type of "christians" and they give other christians a bad name.

    By the way, I haven’t seen Valdearg posting on this article. Where is he? I think he would make a post on this.

  52. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    Anything faster or more "outrageous" than Elvis, probably. Including Elvis.

    -Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

  53. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    S’alright, I know how you feel. I’m slowly being push away from Methodism, much to my mother’s chagrin, but I might as well say I’m Christian…(you know…for the free stuff on X-mas and Easter.  j/k)

    But I do agree with you: witches? Really? You know, I wonder if we shout loud enough, they’d be able to hear us, what with them being all the way back there in the late 1600’s…

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    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  54. 0
    Talouin says:

    Them vid-ee-yuh games and that gosh darn awful "outrageous rock music" is destroying our society!  Also I tend to wonder which music they classify as outrageous rock music…

  55. 0
    whiston532 says:

    Groups like this are why im not very open about being Christian out of a fear of being grouped with them. Seriously though ? They still believe in witches ?

  56. 0
    Zerodash says:

    Many Christians would have you believe the mere existience of Gays is destroying society.  Perhaps these people should move to a wholesome place like Iran- supposedly there are no gay people there and its a theocracy…pretty much what these Christian fundamentalists are trying to turn the US into.

  57. 0
    kagirinai says:

    There is some merit to being critical of what articles to cover and which to ignore. It’s observable in American news and media that the slow lower of news standards has led to an increase in the credibility in fringe groups. By talking about the crazies, we make them more important, and thus with enough coverage they may become a genuine problem as they gain inflated influence.

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    DarkSaber says:

    Then go start your own blog where you can refuse to report all your heart desires.

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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

  59. 0
    Neeneko says:

    *shrug* so are 3 people sitting around a table in a resturant complaining about games.

    Tiny groups like this with no visibility or power are a dime a dozen.  They usually do not warnt talking about since they are the equivelent of a couple posters in a thread in some unknown forum.

    GP does not report on every collection of multiple people who speak out on games.  They generally have to be someone or something of note to have their opinions worth telling a wider audance about.

  60. 0
    Cerabret100 says:

    you know, back when i first started coming here years ago, this kinda thing was funny, and a little shocking (that people could still think this way), now, it’s just sad.

    We need to invent some new type of media so they can all point fingures at that instead.

    Brainstorming time people.

  61. 0
    hellfire7885 says:

    What’s ironic is that if they witnessed Jesus Christ himself performing miracles, and didn’t know it was him, they’d be screaming with craft at him.


  62. 0
    Zerodash says:

    Its almost like religious people/groups are trying to come off as crazy caricatures of themselves.  I almost feel bad for gloating every time religion demonstrates its inherent insanity…

    Are we to believe that those who get all pissy about wicca/witches actually believe in magic?

  63. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    Lol, sorry, early US.*

    Yeah, early America (1600s and 1700s) was fucking psycho.

    -Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

  64. 0
    DarkSaber says:

    The citizens of early America were far worse than Christians. They were puritans. Apprently residents of Maine still are.

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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

  65. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    A good portion of the founding fathers were actually deists, not Christians…The citizens of early America may have been Christian, but most of the people that actually created and led early America were deistic with Christian principles.

    -Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

  66. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    LOL about the article, LOL to the group, and LOL about this comment.

    Two things, though: 1. Awww, ya beat me to it!

    2. IMO, the header image should’ve been the woman from Python’s Holy Grail with the hat and nose on.

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    Game on, brothers and sisters.

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    Kharne says:

    the group also accused the owner of a local book store of being a witch

    Ah, but does she weight the same amount as a duck? Quck, somebody get the scales ready!

  68. 0
    axiomatic says:

    Hehe… good luck with your witch hunt loonies. No no, ignore the haters… keep on entertaining us… please… x-mas is a pretty boring time for us heathens.

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    DarkSaber says:

    A group calling for a banning of a game? Yeah, I suppose it is a bit of a gray area about whether it should be on GamePolitics or not /sarcasm

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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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    Neeneko says:

    Hrm.  Given thier accuastions of witchcraft, I doubt this group is any threat to anyone.

    I have mixed feelings about posts like this one and if they belong on GP or not.  On the one hand, they are amusing.  On the other hand, a self-proclaimed group with no significant following or political power is of questionable value in covering.  There are lots of crazies out there looking for an audiance, but we do not go around reporting on every street preacher.

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