BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

January 22, 2010 -

2K Games announced this week that BioShock 2 will be available for pre-order on Steam, and that the game would be protected by SecuROM DRM software, much to the dismay of gamers who had negative SecuROM experiences with the first BioShock (which launched with an activation limit). 

In response to the uproar, 2K Community Manager Elizabeth Tobey responded on the 2K Forums with the following clarification:

BioShock 2 is using a standard Games for Windows Live activation system, much like other games you have played in the past. That doesn't mean you always have to be online to play or save the game - you can create an offline profile for the Single Player portion of the game (you just won't earn achievements and you can't play Multiplayer, of course.)

We are using SecuROM only as a disc check method for the retail copy of BioShock 2. That is it's only use.

Tobey later confirmed that SecuROM will only be used as a disc check but that activation will be done through Games for Windows Live—a revelation that may have PC gamers groaning given GFWL's less than stellar reputation.  Furthermore, GFWL will place restrictions on your ability to save without creating a profile, and will require online activation even for single-player mode.

While the BioShock 2 DRM scheme appears to be less restrictive than the DRM included with the launch version of the original BioShock, players will still have to contend with Games for Windows Live which has had a checkered history in games like Dawn of War 2, Fallout 3 and Grand Theft Auto IV.

In September 2008, EA was slapped with a class-action lawsuit over their use of SecuROM in Spore, but such a lawsuit is unlikely for 2K Games given the limited role they claim that SecuROM will have.


Dan Rosenthal is a legal analyst for the games industry.


Comments

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

It’s more the publishers. For example Atari which published Neverwinter Nights but did not make it, insisted on intrusive game breaking DRM and caused the game to be rushed to be released with game breaking bugs.

Another studio working on an expansion Ossian Studios finished up Mysteries of Westgate in 2007 and eventually an Atari Rep got on the NWN2 Forums which Bioware hosted and told us all that the expansion wouldn’t be released till they could find the most effective and intrusive DRM out there. The expansion was finished in the summer of 07 an and wasn’t released till spring of 09.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Games companies seem to be trying to force players to go console, probably to cut down on development costs. I refuse to do so as the console gaming experience is never as good as on the PC. Like many above I have not plans to buy Bio2 after finding out about all of this meddling. Game companies are seemingly ignoring the lessons of the music business in their attempts to limit choice and collectively punish all their customers. Lets hope that Bioshock 2 bombs mercilessly.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Investing in SecuROM for you’re PC game is like telling you’re publisher telling the developer that your PC Game won’t sell as well and the publisher will put in a system to make it harder for the buyer but the pirates will be able to strip it out and pirate and destroy sales.

SecuROM can take over and cripple your computer but its not as bad as StarFORCE DRM which would destroy your computer and insure no one would buy or pirate the game because it was that bad.

Why do these gaming companies keep investing in PC Gaming when they invest in protection that ensures for mass piracy in a consumer revolt and lost sales?

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

oh boy, this is what you would call a chinese cluster fuck! have we learned nothing from securom at all?

 

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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

All the same to me. I've been turned off about Bioshock 2 since I found you play as a friggin Big Daddy. And I thought the first one was dumbed down.

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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

You may play as a Big daddy in it, but you can still get your ass kicked.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

So? SUPERMAN can get his ass kicked in games.

Looks like Big Daddy is the new Pyramid Head.

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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

It sounds like this is the same DRM used in the Sims 3 and Fallout 3.

 

Well not intrusive as per online activation. I found on my fallout right after I linked the Live Account all my files went hidden right then and there unless I logged off my Live Accounts. However, I could still play and use my DLC offline as long as I was signed onto live offline.

But yeah to get the DLC you need to use GFWL and it does suck. Honestly, this is why PC Gaming is dying, crappy DRM and companies that used to purposely edit in to their games for systems that do not have the latest graphics hardware (Empire Earth II for example) it will run slow and sluggish. However pirates and modders made work around for It when they could.

I don’t trust nor like Microsoft I have had four 360s in my life time and there of those have since died.

GFWL only promise to me is the games are SUPPOSED to allow you to use your 360 wireless controller provided you bought the Adaptor. Sadly some companies whose 360 versions have the chase view some refuse to adapt that camera angle and just have the WASD and point and click controls which means it’s a no buy for me. (Bioware, and the Polish Makers of The Witcher are all guilty of this and advertising GFWL and the controller is supported when it is not)

Also why Steam would have any DRM in it aside from the Steam DRM, I have no idea why these people do this. There is a reason why I choose to buy from Steam. They strip the original DRM out and put in it’s own version that’s far superior to anything out there and they do it the way other companies should follow.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Was there ever a outcome over th EA DRM lawsuit?

 

 

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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

I am the only person that has never had a problem with GFW Live?

 

 

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

WHY would they make the Steam version have SecuROM too?

STEAM ITSELF IS DRM!
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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

It dose not have secrom, it has live for windoes.


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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

According to at least one of Elizabeth Tobey's posts in the linked thread, the Steam version does have SecuROM.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Well, hopefully they're telling the truth.  I plan on getting Bioshock 2 for the PC.  If all it is is just a disk check, I've got no problem with it.  Here's hoping. ::crosses fingers::

As for GFLW, personally I don't really have any issues with it beyond the very slight inconvenience of having to log in every time I want to play a game.  I have several games with GFWL: Universe at War: Earth Assault, the PC version of Gears of War, Fallout 3 and Dawn of War II.  None of them have I ever had a problem with, although mysteriously whenever I want to play DOW2 I have to log onto Steam as well as GFWL if I want to play it.  The only game on GFWL I had an issue with was the PC version of GTA IV, as it required you to log onto both GFWL and Rockstar's social network, which was a pain in the ass, not to mention of course that the game itself was a poorly optimized port. (And GTAs III thru San Andreas were better games anyway).

The other thing I like about GFWL is that as an XboxLive player, my achievments for both Xbox 360 and PC games can be displayed.  I kind of like that synergy, so all in all I don't have any real complaints with it.

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Won't be getting either the PC version or for the console.  Real easy to boycott a game when the first one sucked.  Even easier when they force SecuROM and GFWL on the consumer.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

As easy as downloading it DRM free.


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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Nah, I think I'll be going full boycott.  Not even downloading.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

If I like it I will buy it tho I did rush toget the frist one...this one I wont be rushing any.....


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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

And they wonder why PC gaming is dead

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

I'll be skippign the PC version and be gettign it on the 360

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I was going to get the PC version before, but not with SecuROM.Think I'll go PS3 instead.

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SecuROM's still listed on their Steam page:

"DRM Information: SecuROM offers unlimited activations on up to 5 PCs."

http://store.steampowered.com/app/8859/

Looks like I'll be skipping it.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Pretty simple.  I refuse to support SecureROM.  Not a cent of my money will EVER go towards them.

If 2K paid for SecureROM to be in their product... I will not be BUYING it...

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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Isn't being on Steam a form of DRM already, or am I missing something?

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Only if they use Steam's authentication system. You can sell games on Steam and not use their Authentication. It is just another online store in that aspect.

Now if they are using both  Steam and GFWL running at the same time, I can see the issue.

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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Game publishers seem eager to make the PC gaming experience as shitty as possible. Is it any wonder people say the PC game market is dying when the experience is so much worse than the simplicity of "buy a disc -> pop it in -> play -> beat the game -> trade it in"?

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Its not they want to make as shtty as possible its just mainstreaming on the consoles streamlines development to the point it sucks....


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Like it matters. Bioshock 2 will be available on the internet, with a working crack bypassing both activation, AND disk checks, within 48 hours of the launch, possibly much earlier. Console versions will no doubt be ripped and on torrent networks the same night it launches, again possibly much earlier.

DRM like this NEVER STOPS PIRATES. If it inconveniences a single paying customer, then it's already working from a negative standpoint.

 

WHY DO THEY BOTHER?????

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Suit logic the losses taken for paying for the DRM will earn them more sales of the huge download numbers that is if they do not believe in the 1:1 ratio myth.....


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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

GFWL :( that kills it.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

This is the disc check not the install and online verification one I believe.. instead they are using lives system to verify it and limit installs.



Stemas version however dose not have secrom on it so its something....still a seqaule to a rather empty and medico game dose not really inspire me to buy it.... give me a sdk and tis worth the retail price no sdk its worthless.....


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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Disc check SecuROM is annoying (imagine if Adobe made you put a disc in the drive every time you wanted to use Photoshop), but shouldn't be confused with installs-services-on-your-system-without-telling-you SecuROM.

The GFWL thing is quite a bit more bothersome and intrusive.

Fortunately, it's all worth it, because no game with a disc check and GFWL authentication has ever been successfully pirated.

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"Fortunately, it's all worth it, because no game with a disc check and GFWL authentication has ever been successfully pirated."

LAWLS.  Nice use of sarcasm.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

If it does anything other than a disc check I gope they get sued.

This already helped me decide to NOT ever try it on PC. I just plunked down 500 for this rig and it still needs an independant video card, so I won't risk it.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

They might get sued. Unlimited activations on up to 5 computers according to Destructoids.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Bullshit! Did they not recall the backslash about the first Bioshock having secure rom?

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

Yeah, how dare they repeat the same mistakes which punished them with incredibly favourable ratings and multiple Game Of The Year awards!

But seriously, I don't remember any complaints about securom (and I can't tell if you were being sarcastic.)  More people were upset with the widescreen presentation on the still-common 4:3 monitors of the time, which also turned out to be a deliberate design choice.

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Yeah there was complains abotu securom on not just bioshock but also Mass Effect on pc and Spores and its well know to fuck up people's pc.

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Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

SecuROM wouldn't let me delete zero-length executable files from my computer.

If it weren't for the removal tool they released under consumer pressure I wouldn't be able to delete failed downloads to this day. I hate SecuROM and think it's a shame it's not illegal to cripple people's computers in such a manner. As far as I'm concerned, there's very little difference between SecuROM and malware.

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

I think I know how this will end...

Re: BioShock 2 to Feature SecuROM DRM

They never learn...(sighhhh)...
 
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