When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

January 22, 2010 -

We’ve all been there as gamers—someone attacks the pastime we love and the immediate tendency is for us to come back firing wildly, casting our own dispersions (sometimes angrily) in the process.

A reflective piece on Bitmob cautions that this tendency to lambaste game critics doesn’t always reflect well on the gaming populace. In “Gamers Are Too Defensive,” Jeffrey Michael Grubb writes:

…the complications of hot-blooded passion often pave a path directly to irrational behavior and a tendency to be overly defensive. If a gamer wants to be defined by his passion, there isn't anything perverse about that.  However, the perception of gaming is tarnished when gamers defend it from every misconception and ill-informed pundit.

Grubb offers advice for dealing with the trolls:

They are a lost cause. What can be done about someone who looks even at the tiniest offense and becomes excited about having something to get enraged about?

While it is infuriating when cable news channels misrepresent a game to make it appear more violent or sexually explicit than it really is, we have to laugh these occurrences off -- as many of you already do.

Grubb offers a great analogy for dealing with game critics, saying that we should act like Barry Sanders, the all-world ex-Detroit Lions running back who used to simply hand a referee the ball after scoring a touchdown:

Barry Sanders treated scoring a touchdown as if it were no big deal to him, because he had been in the end-zone before, and he would be there again. That is how we need to treat our passion. Video games will take their place next to music, movies, and books simply because we know that is where video games belong.


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Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

    Basicly what he is saying is that while a gamer's zeal and passion to defend gaming is commendable, we have to think about how we come across. We are constantly being portrayed as children. Irrational and immature people who, even though fully gown, are not adults. Maybe even violent, bloodthirtsy and overly aggressive. I don't think we can change that perception, but we can avoid perpetuating it. We need the casuals and social gamers on our side.

   Gaming is a huge billion dollar indusrty, surpasing movies and music. Like it or not, it is the King of All Media, and a pretty powerful instituiton. No matter how much the crazies huff and puff and try to place restriction on gaming, it's not going to happen. At least I don't see it happening.

   All gamers need to do it highlight facts like the average gamer is 30 years old. All consoles come with parental controls that will stop the stop the console from playing any games rated above the level they specify. Most consoles will also monitor and restrict the time a can spend playing games on a console.

    The parents should be allowed the freedom to raise their children as they see fit. They don't need the state to tell them what is is good for their own child. Remember the power of those crazy anti-gamer politicians comes from the people. Most of them only attack games becasue they think it will win them votes. 

 

 

 

 

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

"The parents should be allowed the freedom to raise their children as they see fit. They don't need the state to tell them what is is good for their own child. Remember the power of those crazy anti-gamer politicians comes from the people. Most of them only attack games becasue they think it will win them votes. "

Oooh, the infamous JT comes to mind. xD

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

I think what he was trying to touch upon is that we shouldn't be all "RAGE-FIT" in our corrections of said criticisms, but rather do it in a well-informed and civil way.  Sure, we can be angry about the whole Fox News fiasco, and sometimes it will take a bit of flaming or rage to get the point accross...but we shouldn't resort to flaming and such as our "first line of defense."  We gotta be well-informed, and to help others logically see the falacies in such criticisms.  We gotta make them understand why they are wrong.  But, if said person is somebody like Jack Thompson.... well there really isn't much you can do about him other than just saying "no".

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

What the hell?

First off our pastime is always being challenged by conservatism,nanny states, and overall power hungry censorship happy ignorant meglomanicas with media attention so we have to be defensive espically if your favorite pastime is the scapegoat of idiots

 

 

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

The problem is that we've become so defensive that we often attack people who criticize games in the least.  It could be anything from someone saying that kids spend to much time on video games or someone who says that they don't want violent video games easily accessible to minors.  We attack them for saying the smallest negative thing about our games, instead of trying to sympathize and understand them.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

Ok I see where your coming from and that is an issue but remember this quote

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

 

 

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

Have you been playing Castlevania: Symphony Of The Night again?

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"A Chrono Trigger is anything that unleashes its will or desire to change history!" -Gaspar
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"A Chrono Trigger is anything that unleashes its will or desire to change history!" -Gaspar

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

Nope just looking up quotes XD

 

 

 

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

Really? Did you even know that quote was in SotN?

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"A Chrono Trigger is anything that unleashes its will or desire to change history!" -Gaspar

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"A Chrono Trigger is anything that unleashes its will or desire to change history!" -Gaspar

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

Dude I never played that game

 

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

OK, OK, cool off.

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"A Chrono Trigger is anything that unleashes its will or desire to change history!" -Gaspar

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"A Chrono Trigger is anything that unleashes its will or desire to change history!" -Gaspar

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

"While it is infuriating when cable news channels misrepresent a game to make it appear more violent or sexually explicit than it really is, we have to laugh these occurrences off..."

I absolutely disagree.  When this happens, we have to correct them (not flame them); show the people listening what the fact of the matter actually is.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

I agree with this guy on some points.  We can't start flaming every single random who criticizes games, but we can't be completely silent either.  The politicians and the people who are loved by the mainstream media (Atkinson, Fox News, JT before Fox started avoiding him), we need to shoot down the lies perpetrated by people like that in a RESPECTFUL, LEVEL-HEADED, WELL-THOUGHT-OUT manner, that means NO FLAMING, no "you suck lol" comments; that just makes things worse.  If it won't convince the liar himself, which is entirely possible, I sincerely think some of these people actually believe their own lies, it might reach and convince the people who actually listened to the lies at first.  Even one person turned to our cause is a victory.

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, Jack Thompson'll justify it in the end." - nightwng2000

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, Jack Thompson'll justify it in the end." - nightwng2000

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

Fight fire with fire then?

Excellent points Zerodash, and I agree that the critics shouldn't be ignored. Measured and lucid responses are the way to go IMO.

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

I´m agree that as community, gamers should be more aggresive, but at the same time, they should be more constructive than their oppositors, who tend to be more and more negative and willing to lie than anybody.

Being agressive is not the same as "trolling". Anyways, if someone post a stupid not in their blog and then he/she recieve angry comments or even reasonable comments, there is not difference, it´s trolling because they are not agree with the blog´s owner.

My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship): http://www.darkknightstrikes.deviantart.com

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

Stand up to those in power, but ignore the crazies?  I like it!  There's a difference between complaining about FOX issuing lies about a game that hundreds of thousands will believe without researching said product, and some lunatic new age mom saying that games were created by the devil.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: When Defending Games, Look to Barry Sanders

Disagree.  The difference with videogames is that those who wish to censor, ban, and/or regulate games attack with passion and  still have the ears of people in power.  Look at Doug Lowenstein and how he handled the lies and vitrol people like Jack Thompson spewed.  His hands-off dithering gave extra relevance and an unopposed, single voice to these anti-games attacks.

Whether it's Culture War Conservatism or Nanny State Liberalism, there is still a sizeable number of people of influence who see games and gamers as a threat to society.  When the only people who are pushing their message hard are anti-games folk, then that communicates to those in power that the general will of the populace is anti-games. 

If these people go unopposed, then the only winners will be the anti-gamers.

 
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Andrew EisenAnd exacerbating everything is the fact that all the cries of ethics violations have been obnoxious and easily proven false.09/18/2014 - 8:59pm
Andrew EisenProblem is, I would imagine, the sheer number of people who are using journalistic integrity as a cover for their harassing actions or only bringing it up on the false pretense of journalistic integrity.09/18/2014 - 8:47pm
Andrew EisenHaving said that, I can certainly see how one would be frustrated if they truly just wanted to talk about journalistic integrity and someone said they were one of the people harassing Sarkeesian, Quinn and others (though I've seen no examples of that).09/18/2014 - 8:44pm
KronoThat's been the common refrain, that talk of journalism ethics is just an excuse to harass people.09/18/2014 - 8:44pm
KronoLines like "like a partial compromise with the howling trolls who’ve latched onto ‘ethics’ as the latest flag in their onslaught against evolution and inclusion." are taring everyone questioning the ethics as a harasser.09/18/2014 - 8:43pm
Andrew EisenKrono - Except, none of the articles were talking about gamers complaining about journalist ethics, let alone called them white male misogynists. They were talking about the gamers who were harassing others.09/18/2014 - 8:36pm
Kronomakes plenty of sense. It's rather hard to dismiss someone as a white guy running a sock puppet when they've posted proof they're a woman, or black, or another minority.09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronothat any critics of journalists were white guys that hated women, and could be dismissed as such. It seems to have helped some. It's kind of difficult to maintain the white guy narrative in the face of a bunch of women and non-white guys. So the tag09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronothat, someone vented on a #gamergate 4chan thread about being dismissed like that. The suggestion they got in return was to organize their own hashtag in response, with #NotYourShield being suggested. Thus the tag came into use to combat the undercurrent09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronomuch more general problem. And while several of the articles were fairly tame, they spured a bunch of people to dismiss any critics of the journalism involved as misogynistic men. Usually with insults aimed at the geek stereotype. After about a week of09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Andrew EisenSleaker - Not sure what that has to do with anything but yeah, the gender percentages differ depending on how the study defines what a gamer is.09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
KronoThe rhetoric pushed by the spearheading articles that the "gamers" complaining about journalist ethics were just angry white male misogynists, insulted a lot of people that were previously fairly neutral. It made it go from a Kotaku problem, to a09/18/2014 - 8:31pm
Krono@Andrew I'm not surprised overlap exists. I expect much of it is a rush to jump on the bandwagon, either by reporting on the original articles, or rushing out their own. The point is that was a major flashpoint, much bigger than the reddit mass deletion.09/18/2014 - 8:31pm
Sleaker@AE - well the gamer trend was described with stats on Factual Femenist. Only 1 in 7 males plays games 20+ hrs going into college vs 1 in 40 females. So gaming is definitely still male dominated despite fake stats trying to say otherwise.09/18/2014 - 8:30pm
Craig R.Do conspiracies ever make sense? The fact that people are now having to defend themselves against nutjob websites like Breitbart.com shows how far down into the rabbit hole we've all been forcibly dragged.09/18/2014 - 7:05pm
Michael ChandraBut when the mountain obviously exists...09/18/2014 - 5:49pm
Michael ChandraMind you, if someone makes a mountain out of a molehill with a secret agenda as motive, it'd be fine.09/18/2014 - 5:48pm
Andrew EisenOkay, so I guess I'm not making sense of #notyourshield because it doesn't make any sense.09/18/2014 - 5:28pm
Andrew EisenI'd really only count three as being "death of gamer" articles and only one as arguably going a bit far with "gamers are young white dudes" stuff.09/18/2014 - 5:17pm
Andrew EisenMost are really just a look at the crap that happened the previous day when Sarkeesian's new video came out and almost all are exceedingly clear that they're talking about the specific gamers who are being obnoxious.09/18/2014 - 5:17pm
 

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