Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

January 29, 2010 -

The campaign to add an R18+ videogame rating category in Australia has gained an additional foe—the Australian Christian Lobby.

The group’s policy website features a section on the game ratings debate, in which the idea that an adult videogame rating category is needed Down Under is sharply rebuked:

The potential for violent and sexually explicit interactive games to cause harm has only increased in recent years as these games have become even more sophisticated, graphic and interactive. It is also naive to think that R18+ games could be restricted to adult users. If these games are allowed to go on sale in Australia they will inevitably find their way into the hands of younger players through older siblings or friends.

If anything, the current system should be tightened, the group writes:

If any changes are to be made to the classification system it should only be to resolve to tighten up the MA15+ rating to ensure that games aren’t wrongly getting through in this category.

The group encourages website visitors to attempt to stop the introduction of an R18+ category by writing a submission to the government in advance of the February 28th deadline for responses to the Discussion Paper.


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Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

I agree w/TBoneTony. I think that is everyone though & how they would feel not just politics or religious groups. It's wrong for anyone to think that. Which now makes me wonder if that religious group that is standing up w/Atkinson is even reliable to even go to if I needed help w/my religion if I was living there. Would they single me out b/c of something that happened in my life or in the present that has come up & they found out? So yeah they are happy to support it, but what about when politics takes out "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? (I know I am talking about USA, now.) & then the religious groups get mad, you get my point?

 

 

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"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Idiots like these people give christians a bad name. I'm becoming more and more ashamed of other people as time goes on.

And for the record these lunatics are the same ones that are pushing for the Great firewall of Australia to block anything that isn't PG-13. So good luck with that.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

If I believed in pixies that stole our socks while we slept I'm sure people wouldn't be terribly confident in my attempts to influence their sleeping habbits. Much like I'm not too keen on people who believe in an invisible man in the sky who created everything to influence issues like this.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Remember, they have to submit an application to the discussion paper just like we Aussie gamers have to too.

I would not think that most of the Attorney Generals would listen to anything other than those who are writing to the Discussion paper.

 

Also I saw a flyer at a local Church in December saying that Politicians are trying to take away their rights to allow a Christian minister to become a teacher of local schools, so yeah, when their rights are taken away, they jump up and down about it.

But when other people's rights are being taken away, they are all but happy to support it.

In the case of protecting the children, perhaps they need to focus on REAL LIFE ISSUES instead of the life inside a videogame or movie or the internet.

 

TBoneTony

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Well ,they're happy about it so long as their rights are left alone and don't stand to lose anything from it.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Censormongers, nanny-statists and "we must protect the children" dipshits are dispersed throughout all religions and i'm sure even atheists. One thing they do have in common is using the issue of "Protecting the Children" whether children need the protection or not (mostly they don't) in order to futher their agenda and increase the powers of the nanny-state they love so much.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

However, largely atheist communites have shown a predisposition for 'Common Sense'(tm), and as such don't really have that harsh ratings systems.

Scandinavia is a good example. (though the swedes do lose a pt. to corrupt courts)

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

This is true. The highest rating in Sweden for films is a 15+ to my knowledge. But i was thinking more along the lines of China, ect. Are atheistic types as bad as religious types when it comes to censorship, NO, but there are quite a few who do believe in it.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Can any ideology or belief lead to those being as bad? YES.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Censormongers, nanny-statists and "we must protect the children" dipshits are dispersed throughout all religions and i'm sure even atheists.

Case in point: China.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Great, naive, isolationist "Christians" distorting the religion they claim to follow in order to justify their own inability to deal with a changing world and to gain as much power as they possibly can over as many people as they can. Sometimes I really dislike people who claim to follow the same religion as I do; they make the normal, sane, intelligent Christians look like a bunch of morons.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

As a member of the catholic church, I apologize that we were so crappy all of those years ago and are basically responsible in the long term for the crazier denominations being formed. Our bad.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Don't apologize for them. You worry about yourself & what you do right or wrong. That group down under is pretty sensitive & other religions that are trying to take away people's rights. The thing that really boggles my mind is this, religion & politics coming together. I don't understand that. Has it always been apart or together or deciding on the same thing or opposite things? Or just when it comes to issues that they both agree on?

 

 

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

I think we should just blame the crazy Evangelicals for the existence of the crazy Evangelicals.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

You don't have to apologize for a damn thing as you've done nothing wrong. The people who do need to apologize are those that we know never will.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

That and apoligising for other human's idiocy just doesn't feel right.

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Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Its just another one of those bible thumping, holier than thou art, everyone is evil but us, anyone who disagrease with us is mentaly retarded groups that think that having some crosses on their front page that they can do what they want.

Sigh.... another group that my christian friends and i are going to get compared to and associated with just by simply being christians...

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

The logic behind the rebuke shows that this is one of the more extreme lobbying groups. The reason is that the idea that an adult product can fall into a childs possession can be applied to things like alcohol and movies. I wouldn't be too conerned about their support, as abolutionists usually get very little support from adult populations.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

*Yawns* Yeah idts another religion group using religion to get there ways though, seen it too many times really.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

It is also naive to think that R18+ games could be restricted to adult users.

This line of thought always bugs me.  If they really felt this way (as opposed to looking for a convenient scapegoat), they wouldn't limit this to video games.  They should be calling for the removal of all R18+ media of any form.

I mean, it's much easier for an informed parent to stop their child from playing adult games than any other medium.  Not only are there parental controls on all current-gen systems, but if you're really worried, you can check their save data.  Not to mention the 360 and the PS3 have their achievements/trophies, and the wii logs how much time is spent playing each game.  It's pretty easy to see what you're kids been up to, even if you can't watch them directly.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

They're trying to play the fear angle... again. Tryign to appeal to parents who don't know how to do this and/or are too lazy to even be bothered to try to figure out how.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Like we didn't see this coming from a mile away

...okay maybe not exactly this group, but to have some type of "family" or other type organization to join up with atkinson is so predictable, it's more surprising it didn't happen sooner.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

You can always count on Bible-bashers to make a bad situation worse.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

I should probably clarify: I distinguish between "Christians" and "Bible Bashers". This is an article about Bible Bashers, not Christians.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Ok, I see the confusion point. I call ppl like this "Bible-thumpers" as opposed to Christians.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

You're right, those nutjobs that claim to be "Christians" that are actively encouraging censorship are definitely making this problem worse. They're the Bible-bashers here.

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Nobody was bashing the Bible until those people started thumping the Bible.  Nobody on the anti-censorship side said anything about religion until these Christians stepped in and MADE IT a religious issue.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Huh? Seriously, what?

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

I thought it was a pretty clear statement.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Atkinson:  Thinks lying to and deceiving others is "moral".

Religious group:  Thinks lying to and deceiving others is "moral".

You're right, they have something in common. 

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Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

The ACL are locally known as the Oziban due to their desire to restrict our freedoms over here and to top it off they also one of the major groups behind the great firewall of Australia.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Once again, the blight of Christian Zealotry rears its head into a censorship debate with games at the center.  When will there be laws to protect children from the dangers of religious fundamentalism?

I fear for the future progress of humanity.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Hey Zerodash, how's the fight-starting going today?

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Probably about the same time we see laws protecting children from Athiest Fundamentalism.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

"Athiest Fundamentalism" - Lucky there's no such thing.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Heh, there is.Just because they say different things doesn't make it any less bad.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

There's really only one thing atheism says, and that is, "I reject theistic claims." To be a fundamentalist atheist means you would strictly adhere to the belief that there is no theistic god. No other worldview ideologies are attached to the 'atheist' label (except by the dishonest few who love to readily employ the ol' straw man). Fundamentalism means nothing in the context of atheism because atheism holds only that one single value. There are no other beliefs any two or more atheists must hold in order to be atheist. They don't have to believe in evolution; they don't have to believe in sacrificing their first born; and they don't have to hold a BBQ for the neighbourhood every Friday night. Fundamentalism simply does not apply.

Now, 'militant' atheism might almost be an appropriate interchange of words, except for the fact that this is actually what theists inappropriately label 'outspoken' atheism to appeal to emotion. I'm sure the picture I'm about to link to has been seen by many around here (or even posted here previously) which kinda illustrates that 'militant' is also an inappropriate word.

http://www.cianboland.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/militancy.jpg

The most popular atheists write books and and spread their opinion on television. The average Joe might make YouTube videos or write in the comments section of a news site. Usually these opinions are about observable facts and about improving our standards of education. The lowest they might sink is to have a humorous stab or a good old-fashioned argument with someone. Those darn nasty fundamentalist/militant atheists... how dare they?!

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

You mean, "Never"? You mean persecute the defenceless, innocent, and sensible Faith of Athieism? God forbid (Oops! Used the G-word! Sorry).

Ultimate power corrupts ultimately, Christian and Athiest alike. I think these blasphemers need to be reminded about what it TRULY means to follow Christ. I think most of the "Christian" and "religious" watchgroups will be receiving a strongly worded email reminding them why we "Don't take the name of God in vain!" Like this!

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

This guys kinda got a point. No, of the top of my head nobody has recreated 9/11 because Charles Darwin told them to. But we cant pretend that there has never been an instance where Athiests have shown hatred and prejudice towards religions. If we are to stop these instances of hatred, stop them in all the ways, dont go: K, you guys have to stop being mean and violent to this other group. But they can do what they want cause i agree with their principle stance.

yes, im against religious extreamism, as well as these uninformed so called christian groups that give more sensible christians like myself and those i choose to spend my time with bad names.

 

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

 Although, I've never heard of people flying planes into buildings because of "NOT GOD".

Full Disclosure: I am not an atheist.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

So wait - the only thing I know about Australia is that during Oktoberfest in Munich, so many Aussies come to Germany and get smashed enough to lose their passports that there's a temporary Australian Embassy set up in the city every year to help them.

Are conservative Christians really that big of a deal there?

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

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Are conservative Christians really that big of a deal there?

 

Not really no. The religions seem to generally be on the down low over here. Of course, these guys have been crawling out from god knows where to be in support of banning stuff.

IMA FIRIN MAH LASER!!!

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

Religion already has too much influence in government and already tries to push itself into aspects of every day life.

And as many will say, the idiots siding with Atkinson aren't true christians, they just wave the flag and scream "Burn in hell" at people of different or no faith.

Re: Atkinson Gains Ally in Battle Against R18+

I am almost starting to think that some of those muslim nations with sharia law have the right idea.  Most of them (the ones that play nice with the international community) actually have two legal systems.. one for muslims, one for secular members.  Thus the religious people have a set of rules they have to live by and the secular (or other faiths) group get to have their own system.

In theory at least it cuts down on religious groups trying to change national laws.  Of course then you have the problem of 'which sect's version of the law', but you have that now anyway.

Re: Atkinson Gains Allie in Battle Against R18+

Good luck Australian gamers and adults that want freedom. Hope this censorship group doesn't stop the fight for your rights to play what you want.

 
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